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Ryan Theriot? We Said Meh. M-E-H, Meh.

Ryan Theriot gets his jersey dirty during the World Series.  (Photo by Ezra Shaw/Getty Images)

When the list of players non-tendered contracts this winter became official earlier this month, Ryan Theriot's name did not jump out at me as someone the Mets should attempt to acquire. Rumor has it, however, that the Mets are among the teams considering Theriot for a spot on the roster. Such a rumor at this time of year may not mean anything at all, but it's just about the only thing that's been rumored about the Mets' roster since their flurry of activity at the winter meetings.

Theriot figured to make about $3.9 million in arbitration had the Cardinals tendered him a contract for next season, but they made the wise choice of non-tendering him instead. But there are some who think it's a great idea for the Mets. Jim Duquette, for example, loves that Theriot is "a gamer" who "plays the game the right way" and can play a bit at second, third, and short to give the Mets' starters some time off.

The thing is, though, that Theriot has been an awful hitter for the past two years. Between the 2010 and 2011 seasons, which he spent with the Cubs, Dodgers, and Cardinals, Theriot hit .270/.321/.325. His .646 OPS over that span pales in comparison to the low league averages at second base and shortstop, the two positions he's played.

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As for fielding those positions, neither UZR nor DRS approve of his work at short over the past couple of years. At second base, he appears to be a passable or slightly above-average defender. The suggestion that he could spell David Wright occasionally at third base is without merit, as Theriot has played a whopping total of 55 innings at the position, all but one of which came in the 2007 season.

It also looks like Theriot might have lost a step this year. He's never been incredibly successful at stealing bases, but he was caught stealing in six of his ten attempts, a significant drop in attempted stolen bases and a dreadful rate of failure. It could be coincidence, but his .296 BABIP, a low number compared to his career norm, might give some more weight to a little bit of a slowdown as he heads into his age thirty-two season. At any rate, he's certainly not going to be getting any faster.

The Mets do have some spots open on their bench, and the middle infielders in the organization beyond Ruben Tejada, Daniel Murphy, and Justin Turner are probably all starting the year in the minors. If Murphy gets the everyday job at second base, as he should, Theriot would be something of a more costly Turner clone on the bench. Unless he's willing to sign for one year and $1 million or less, bringing him to Queens wouldn't make a ton of sense.

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I'd rather have Justin Turner

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by Aidan Gibson on Dec 30, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, at this point

The differences between them are pretty neglibile. Theriot is likely still a better defensive SS than Turner by a decent amount. But neither is better than a stopgap solution if Tejada gets hurt.

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Dec 30, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

We need someone to give Tejada the occasional day off

I wouldn’t mind Theriot but having both him and Turner on the bench seems like a waste. I would take Theriot because he’s a better SS but I would look to move Turner.

by ZZPops on Dec 30, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the occasional day off is a little overused sometimes

Tejada is a young healthy player who needs to maximize his playing time for development reasons. The only reasons he would need a day off are if he gets hurt, or maybe if he’s really struggling. I could see at most him needing like 10 days off throughout the year (probably more like 3-5). Is that really something Turner can’t handle and we need to pay a few million for a different backup MI? I would rather just sign a backup SS to a minor league deal in case Tejada gets hurt.

by crazycarLUXC on Dec 30, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Well Tejada is only 22

Young players tend to need a few days off to avoid tiring toward the end of the year. Also injuries happen, I like to have a backup plan for every player to avoid having to start the Chin-lung Hu’s of the world

by ZZPops on Dec 30, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

WTF?

So old players DONT need time off? The young players do? This whole post makes no sense. If he was a pitcher and never pitched that many innings I would buy it, but a position player?

by Joshuah on Dec 30, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said old players don't need time off

Guys in their prime, around 26-31 are in the best shape to be counted on for an entire season. There’s a reason Ripken’s streak is untouchable. I’m saying you can’t just assume Tejada will play 150+ games especially since there are still legitimate questions about his ability to be productive at the plate. Maybe Valdespin steps in if Tejada can’t but it’s never a bad thing to have a backup plan.

by ZZPops on Dec 31, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

True

But I think Turner is a better bat, so better off the bench.
As you said neither is long term.

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by Aidan Gibson on Dec 30, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Turner also will cost pennies, and can be dumped at any time

If we signed a FA Theriot, he’d cost a little more than the minimum, and might be signed for more than a one-year deal.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 30, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

but

he's a gamer!

Am I doing this right?

by brooklynberger on Dec 30, 2011 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

CIRIACO

How about signing Pedro Ciricao (non-tendered by Pirates) or Esteban German for bench help?

by MDMETSFAN on Dec 30, 2011 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

Jim Duquette

to be fair……..

he was right about the Kazmir-Zambrano trade

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Dec 30, 2011 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

It's Amazing (no pun intended)...

…that guys like this are still able to find employment in MLB. Nothing against Theriot, personally, but his numbers are thoroughly below average, especially at his price point. Duquette’s (whom we’re all too familiar with) says it all, I guess.

The Mets need a considerably above average middle infielder for the bench to spell Murphy late in games, or step in at SS should Tejada falter or become injured. Alex Gonzalez or Omar Vizquel would have been nice. It’ll probably be Turner, which is fine, I guess, considering he will only cost the league minimum. It’s kind of pointless to give these guys Alex Cora money.

by Adam Callan on Dec 30, 2011 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

It's completely reasonable

to overpay for GRISSIONZZZ

How about an Orange Monster at Citi Field for Bay?

by Mets-Suns-Texans on Dec 31, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

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