Shady Marlins Applesauce: Marlins To Be Investigated By SEC, Pedro To Officially Retire, Blue Jays Acquire Terrible Catcher From Angels
With the winter meetings beginning tomorrow in Dallas, we'll likely start to hear the beginnings of some rumors later tonight and into Monday as the GM's and front office execs begin to filter in for the festivities. But for now, here's what happened on Saturday:
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Jose Reyes Watch: It should go without saying, but I'll say it anyway--this is going to be a huge week in Jose Reyes Watch and it wouldn't be too surprising to see Jose reach a decision sometime in the next seven days. To further update the status of the Marlins, beat writer Joe Capozzi says that they have not given Reyes a deadline, despite what has been reported by others the last couple of days. One interesting component to the negotiations could be the fact that the Marlins have a policy against handing out no-trade clauses to free agent signings. President Larry Beinfest thinks that this shouldn't hurt the team's chances but, well, it's his job to say that (and then deal a player like Reyes away in a firesale in a year or two). There's another interesting component, but we'll get to that further down. Aside from Jose, the Mets will be working on bolstering their bullpen, bench and TRAIDING DAVID WRONGZ?! Okay, probably not.
Former Mets Nolan Ryan, Bud Harrelson and Ed Kranepool are lobbying for Gil Hodges to get into the Hall of Fame.
Is Nick Evans an undervalued asset? Is Nick Evans the new market inefficiency? Who is Nick Evans and why am I writing about him?
In quasi-Mets news, Pedro Martinez is going to officially announce his retirement soon. Pedro hasn't pitched since 2009 when he threw 45 innings for that team down the turnpike. The man had quite a career but I just wish he could've won a ring in New York (and, you know, have thrown more than one good season in a Mets uniform).
So here's that component to the Jose Reyes chase that I teased up above: the Marlins are suddenly being investigated by the SEC for their shady stadium deal that will leave Miami-Dade county with a bill of $2.4 billion dollars to be paid over the next 40 years. The Marlins have stated that they will fully cooperate with the investigation and further, they believe that this will have no effect on the team on the field or their new free spending ways. Funny because Jeff Wilpon said the same thing after all the Madoff stuff broke and that's worked out just fine, right? Oh yeah.
Here's a primer on the Rule 5 draft from MLB's website. The draft, which takes place on Thursday, is the final act of the Winter Meetings. If you're interested, here's a comprehensive list of the best guys who are available from every team.
Finally, the Blue Jays acquired awful hitting catcher Jeff Mathis from the Angels for lefty pitcher Brad Mills. Mathis, who's quite literally the worst hitting regular player in the majors over the last ten years, will either serve as Toronto's backup catcher or be non-tendered. Somewhere in Texas, Mike Napoli is laughing.
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Not sure
either the SEC investigation or the no-no trade will have any impact. Jose doesn’t really seem like the prototypical “no trade” clause type of player for any club. Would the Mets grant him one? Doubtful. And if he’s as focused on 9 figures as some reports suggest then the no-trade becomes even more of a secondary issue.
The impact of the Madoff debacle wasn’t immediate and if the SEC investigation has an impact it likely wouldn’t be ‘till next season. If it does hurt the Marlins next year then guys like Bell, Reyes, Ramirez etc. will be on the trading block. But there’s no way the SEC is going to wrap up an investigation like this before spring training so the impact is going to be unknown during the Jose-a-thon.
Given the Marlins' history of fire sales
and trading players away before they become too expensive, I’d say that this is one case where a player is justified in demanding a NTC. If they’re unwilling to give it, how can he be sure they’ serious about contending? And yes, the SEC investigation won’t be finished for months, but it’s a huge cloud over the organization, even moreso than the Wilpons’ Madoff connections – remember, they were never looking at jail time, just financial penalties.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 4, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
The Veteran Committee better do the right thing...
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 4, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions
he better get in...
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It’ll be same as it ever was and Phil Rizutto’s corpse will continue to have the last laugh.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!" Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 4, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I know he's not being considered by the Veterans Committee now
but if Gil Hodges is a capital I and a capital S HOFer, any thoughts about Keith?
Keith’s career OPS is .821 vs Hodges’ .846, but Hodges played in band-box Ebbetts Field, while Keith spent most of his career at Busch Stadium and Shea, which were much more pitcher friendly. Relative to his peers, Keith was actually more dominant offensively (Hernandez OPS+ 128 / Hodges OPS+ 119).
Hodges was by all accounts a wonderful defensive first baseman, but Hernandez was transcendant — I’ve often heard he was among best, if not the very best , fielding first basemen of all time.
And for what it’s worth (and seriously, I’m not sure what it’s worth), Keith had both “intangibles” and Ringzzz. Hodges was viewed as a valuable complementary piece on a team dominated in spirit by Reese and Robinson, but the ‘86 Mets down the line point to Mex as their leader. Not that Hodges isn’t deserving, and all.
Keith is a Hall of Famer is well
I’m very stingy about who gets into my ideal Hall of Fame, but he’s there.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 4, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I would make a Legendary-Hall-of-Fame where only the best of the best are in... yeah, that sounds right.
Babe Ruth is basically the bench mark… so i think their could be maybe ten guys total i suppose.
Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "
I think Keith is a Hall of Famer and should have been long ago
He was the best defensive 1B of all time, and a great hitter and had intangibles and leadership and all that junk. MVP, and rings…if he went to the other team in NY there would be no question. The far inferior Mattingly is still on the ballot.
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Gotta say I'm not a fan of Hodges for the HoF
He just wasn’t good enough
Too bad he passed away in his late 40's
He might have won a ring in 1973 and gone into the Hall of Fame as a manager.
The primer makes me want Jiwan James.
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Komatsu or Meyers would be nice selections.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 4, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Drew Cumberland would be an interesting risk, especially if Jose walks.
He was just cleared to make a comeback after retiring in 2010 because of a rare neurological disorder and he’s obviously a guy Sandy and DePo would know since he was a Padres first rounder in 07. He’s a shortstop with lots of speed and great contact ability. He was a .316/.380/.430 hitter in the minors. It’d certainly be a risk since he missed all of 2011 and only has 58 PA’s in AA but even if Reyes comes back, he’d be an interesting guy to have as a backup infielder. There’s nothing wrong with trying to get another talented middle infielder into the organization.
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 4, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
From a ML readiness angle, Trevor Crowe certainly could fill a need
He’s got the speed and defense that we seem to be targeting in the outfield
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 4, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Could be a decent 5th OF but man, a 79 wRC+ with a .316 BABIP?
And UZR doesn’t like him in CF.
Still wouldn’t be against picking him though since it’s basically a free chance to get lucky.
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It's hard to draw any conclusions about his fielding from UZR at this point.
He has basically 1 full season worth of data available and played most of that while playing through some nagging injuries. His minor league scouting reports have generally been fairly positive, so at this point I’m more willing to believe 2010 was more a pagan-like bad season than a lack of ability. His bat is of a bit more concern, but if his shoulder issues from the last two season are behind him he may well look more like the top prospect in the system again.
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 4, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said
I’d still take him for free.
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Pretty much
He could still fail a physical or something…
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
I guess we're hoping some other team with an unprotected 1st round pick will come in
and blow away the Marlins offer.

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