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What You Tell Yourself

You would have had to say goodbye to him sometime. You know this.

In another universe, where Fred Wilpon never meets Bernie Madoff and Jeff Loria is a humble art dealer with no sports ambitions, you might have seen him for a few more years. You might have seen him leg out more triples in a Mets uniform, steal some more bases, execute some more joyous steps in the dugout. You would have seen age catch up to him, as it catches up to all athletes, as it catches up to all of us, and you would have seen his legs slow and his bat slow and his game change, and you would see him leave for elsewhere or retire. Even in the sunniest, Panglossian best of all possible worlds, you never could have had him forever. You know this.

Even if the Mets were in decent financial and competitive shape, they'd be unwise to match the contract he's getting. The likelihood of him staying healthy for the duration of that contract, or remaining with one team over those six years, is slim. The new front office regime is imposing the kind of painful but necessary fiscal sanity it should have adopted a long time ago. You know this.

The Mets have benefited from other teams' hard times over the past decade plus. Everyone from Mike Piazza to Johan Santana came here because someone else couldn't afford them. Perhaps it's only fair, only karma, that the Mets lose one every now and then, and decrying another team "buying" a roster would be the height of hypocrisy for you. You know this.

You consider your child, who knows only one baseball player, who thinks everyone with dreads is him, who has chanted his name at the ballpark, who has said to you more than once this offseason that she misses him. But she is still very young, still learning so much about the world and her place in it. She'll get over it. You know this.

You'll get over this too, someday, though the mere thought of this hurts. There is the pain of any loss, and then there is a moment during that pain when you realize time will pass and you will move on, which is a different pain altogether. That you lose people and you think the world is going to crumble without them but life goes on.

You've done it for other people in your life, people who helped raise you, people you couldn't imagine living without, until you had to. So you'll do it for Jose Reyes. You know this.

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At least 1-2 of the 2013 free agents

Better be in NY Mets uniforms. I’m looking at you cain, ethier, Hamilton, kinsler,haren

by SantonioBurress on Dec 5, 2011 11:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Not happening

That is unless the Wilpons sell the team to someone with money and is willing to spend it.

by graves9 on Dec 5, 2011 12:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The Wilpons' investments are in NYC real estate.

I wouldn’t worry about their future. I don’t particularly care for them, but when they had money they spent on the team, and they will have money again, probably sooner than later. This was a (goddamn disappointing) liquidity problem, not a harbinger of the Mets turning into the Pirates.

by Kepler on Dec 5, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The Wilpons real estate investments are nationwide

Just like this gem.

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by Russ on Dec 5, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

That's if they can hold on to their holdings and pay the loans on their real estate loans,Banks foreclose quickly

on commercial real estate.How much confidence would you have if the Wilponzie empire owed you a billion dollars?

by Putnan Prince on Dec 6, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for the first sentence

I’m as die hard a Met fan as they come, and I’m as upset about this news as anyone, but the eulogy-esque aspects of some of this morning’s reactions are a bit extreme. There are a heck of a lot more things worth wondering what you can tell your kid about, like why that person sleeping on the street corner doesn’t have anywhere to live or anything to eat. It’s a lot easier to get worked up about baseball, but let’s not go overboard here.

by dontstopbelieving on Dec 5, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

Sack up, Callan.

"RBI’s does measure something – Wins."
-Bayonne Mets Fan on MMO

by Dandy Salderson on Dec 5, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yuuuuuuuuuuup

Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!

by TWilliAM on Dec 5, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for the first sentence

I’m as die hard a Met fan as they come, and I’m as upset about this news as anyone, but the eulogy-esque aspects of some of this morning’s reactions are a bit extreme. There are a heck of a lot more things worth wondering what you can tell your kid about, like why that person sleeping on the street corner doesn’t have anywhere to live or anything to eat. It’s a lot easier to get worked up about baseball, but let’s not go overboard here.

by dontstopbelieving on Dec 5, 2011 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

dontstopbelievinglohaus

dontstopbelievinglohaus

"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"

by Wright of passage on Dec 5, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the "fans will get over it" part

but I don’t agree with this:

Even if the Mets were in decent financial and competitive shape, they’d be unwise to match the contract he’s getting. The likelihood of him staying healthy for the duration of that contract, or remaining with one team over those six years, is slim. The new front office regime is imposing the kind of painful but necessary fiscal sanity it should have adopted a long time ago. You know this.

This Dave Cameron piece makes a compelling argument that this isn’t such a bad deal, maybe even a favorable one for the Fish. I don’t want to rehash that whole debate, but the “he’s always hurt!” meme has been way overdone.

This is FAR more about the Wilpons specific financial situation than it is about the baseball wisdom of this particular deal. This contract would not have been fiscal insanity. That doesn’t detract from your broader point, that players come and go, but right now the Mets are dysfunction city.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 5, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

I was going to post the same link

It’s not as risky as people want it to be. (Reyes’ contract)

by MetsCity on Dec 5, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree with your disagreement!

With the looming debts, jury trial, Omar contracts ($66 million to 3 players in 2013), etc. the Wilpons (if they’re allowed to keep the team) will keep the Mets in the cellar for the next half decade or more.

by Steve OnceBrooklynNowMets on Dec 5, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Can we stop with the baseless hyperbole?

The Mets will not be “in the cellar for the next half decade or more.”

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by Russ on Dec 5, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

how do you know this ?

you could both be right.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Dec 5, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

No one knows for sure

But we can look at existing players and make reasonable projections. “In the cellar for the next half decade or more?” Please.

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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden

by Russ on Dec 5, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you sure? It might happen. It might not.

The only thing we know for sure is the Miami Marlins are going to win a World Series in 2015.

Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!

by TWilliAM on Dec 5, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

With LeBron James in center field

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by Russ on Dec 5, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

you kill me

rec’d

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Dec 5, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW

It’s a BTTF II reference.

Because i’m not insane.

Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!

by TWilliAM on Dec 5, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

to be fair

I think there’s a much greater chance of the Mets stinking for a number of years than there is that they are contenders, much less big winners.

NL East is a very, very rough division. Philadelphia is very good. Atlanta is good and young. The Nationals are getting better and (mostly) young. The Marlins have some great pieces in Johnson, Sanchez, Nolasco, Stanton, Sanchez, Morrison, Ramirez, etc. Personally, I see our ceiling for some time as the Blue Jays, while the basement is the Orioles.

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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 5, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you really think that the Mets will be in last place every single season for the next several?

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by Russ on Dec 5, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

No, not even mets fans are stupid enough

To realistically believe this. People are just too busy shitting their pants as if no team has ever lost a player before

"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda

by piazza62 on Dec 5, 2011 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

very close to it

Barring injuries, Philly for this year and next will still have reeeeeeeeeeeeediculous pitching. Atlanta will be good for a long time with all their young talent. Washington and Miami have a lot of pieces and are spending money. The ceiling right now is 3rd, maybe a 2nd place finish if something ridiculous happens (like the Jays, as I said). The basement is literally that – the worst team in a division of monster teams – the Orioles.

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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 5, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It depends when Harper and Rendon come up.

If it’s soon (like mid-season next year), then yes because there are clearly already 4 better teams than us in the division.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 5, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

but, but.........

we have teh Danial Murphie

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Dec 5, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Dec 5, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

And the Marlins still sucked

I’m not buying this at all. There is no chance that the Mets are not good by 2013. PIITB

"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda

by piazza62 on Dec 5, 2011 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

the fish are not going to be big time contenders

without signing a pitcher. or maybe josh johnson will actually pitch a full season again at some point

by brodude on Dec 5, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Five whole games

is not a lot. That is Jose’s WAR right there. Bell is let’s say 2. Get another pitcher and that’s another 4 or 5. Fuck it, they go full Pujols and suddenly have a turnaround of 20 games next year. They are actively doing what it takes in the FA market to radically improve their team.

The Mets’ farm system is not bad, but not some absurd Rays/Royals system where half a dozen people are going to come in and play at near all-star levels. Name me five position players in A+ or higher that look they’ll be all stars. Name me three pitchers. Now halve that because close to half of all prospects don’t make it. Then cut it some more because they never realize their ceilings.

There are a tremendous amount of holes to fill on this club in order to be a really good team again, and so far this offseason, the ownership/management aren’t addressing them.

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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 5, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There have been what, a handful of signings?

So only 2 or 3 teams are addressing their issues I guess.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Dec 5, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

good point

However, the Mets have also shown no indication so far of being actively interested in any of the more successful free agents. Perhaps this changes, but so far it isn’t looking like there’s going to be much to be happy about.

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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 5, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the Mets offered him enough

That if he were interested in being loyal to this franchise and its fans, he could have signed here and not lost very much money if at all.

I actually think that Reyes did not want to play here anymore, and prefers the idea of playing and hanging out in Miami. I don’t even think necessarily that it’s about ‘wanting to win’. That eases the sting.

What also eases the sting is that while it’s certainly possible that Reyes has several more seasons like the last one, it’s also possible, even probable, that he reverts to hitting .280 and/or has hamstring problems every year.

When Reyes came up, he was perfection to me – a speedy shortstop triple machine wearing #7. But when a free agent chooses to leave, it tells you something about them. As much as Reyes’ season rekindled my hopes for him, his abdication dashed them. In the end, he wasn’t what I thought he’d be.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 5, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess it comes down to the Wilponzies saying that the Mets were a crap team with him,they may as well be

a crap team without him for $100 million less.Simple as that! With the Mets, the more things that change the more they remain the same.

by Putnan Prince on Dec 5, 2011 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

Thought

Why not extend Wright now.

Pick up the 2013 option now and offer him a 4 yr/ $60-65 extention to 2017.

Squashes all the trade Wright press, ensures he’ll be here for the next 5 years (5 Prime of his Life years), build the team up with Davis and the pitching coming up, also takes the sting a bit off from Reyes leaving.

by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Dec 5, 2011 11:50 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

It's not a bad idea

If only for the part about squashing all the trade Wright press. I really don’t want to go through this for the next two years still with Wright.

by MetsCity on Dec 5, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there are two options regarding David.

Either sign him to an extension now, or go ahead and trade him this offseason. I definitely would like to see him extended, but I could also see the value in taking advantage of the situation with Reyes by making a clean break with the past few years. It would feel terrible, but at least it would be done with. With how devastating it feels to lose Reyes, would it be that much worse to add losing Wright to the heartbreak? The absolute worst situation would be to have a long drawn out deal where Wright is traded mid-year or next offseason. It would be devastating for Mets fans to have this emotional wound reopened.

by irishmets on Dec 5, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Wright should not be traded this offseason

He just finished the worst season of his career, so the Mets would be selling low.

My view is that we should see how he is performing next season. If Wright performs at an elite level again, then he stays. If he’s performing well, but nothing special, then trade him.

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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden

by Russ on Dec 5, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

I lobby Russ get job in front office

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Dec 5, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If you trade him mid-season

though, that’ll be a half-season rental, as only the Mets have the option for 2013.

by David G on Dec 5, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Sandy did well with the half-season rental of Beltran

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by Russ on Dec 5, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Using 20/20 hindsight

this is what should have happened last offseason.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
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by Ogre39666 on Dec 5, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said...

It’s hard to think on this rationally. It feels like the Mets are cursed to lose their best homegrown players during their prime years. Nolan Ryan, Amos Otis, Tom Seaver, Lenny Dykstra, Darryl Strawberry, and now… Jose Reyes (it’s painful to even write). Hopefully, when we look back on this, Jose Reyes in a Marlin uniform will look more like Darryl Strawberry on the Dodgers and not Amos Otis with the Royals.

by irishmets on Dec 5, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

No curses

Only incompetent ownership

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by Russ on Dec 5, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm so torn right now

I became a Mets fan in Texas because of Jose Reyes…what do I do now? I’ve invested so much time and energy into learning all there is to learn about the Mets because of Reyes. Now he’s gone. Do I go with him?

Enjoying what may be the final season of two of my favorite Mets in Blue and Orange: Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran

by EMSfan9 on Dec 5, 2011 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

You can learn about Ike Davis, and about Matt Harvey, Zack Wheeler and Brandon Nimmo.

There are still players that are interesting and worth your time.

I also fully appreciate all of that emotional energy that you invested. I remember when Seaver was traded. That was the worst. And I remember watching Doc and Straw’s careers get derailed, and then continue in other uniforms. It is not easy. You’ll have to figure out your own way to deal with this. If nothing else, you have Amazin’ Avenue to offer support, which is what an AA is supposed to do.

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by Russ on Dec 5, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, you are exactly right

Enjoying what may be the final season of two of my favorite Mets in Blue and Orange: Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran

by EMSfan9 on Dec 5, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Do what I'm doing

I enjoyed Jose’s presence for 8 years, and now it is time to find someone else to watch.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Dec 5, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Putting my optimistic idea out there

Ok, being a NY Giants fan in addition to my Met fandom, I am taking this approach. The Giants lost Steve Smith this past off-season to an in division team. I was upset (not nearly as upset as losing Reyes because Reyes means more to the Mets than Smith ever did to the Giants, but that is not the point of my analogy), but have gotten over it with the performace of Cruz. He has surpassed Smith as a playmaker in my opinion and much more likeable. So, taking that idea and running with it, my hope is that the Mets can find their version of Cruz. Maybe it is one of the young pitchers coming up through the minors or maybe it is a someone on their radar that they bring into this organization, who knows? Maybe it is Tejada himself that will make awesome defensive plays and increase his offensive with another year under his belt. Maybe it is someone the have targeted in the Rule V draft. Alderson is not a fool and knows he will need to do something to improve the morale of this fan base. Cause let’s face it, we are talking a serious low morale right now.

I hate losing Reyes but I am keeping myself sane right now with the thought that this could be openning the door for someone else to come in here and win our hearts like he did.

by CCE718 on Dec 5, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

Rueben Tejeda = Victor Cruz!

I like your style.

Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.

by meigs1414 on Dec 5, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

as long as it isn't

Victor Diaz

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Dec 5, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

or Luis Hernandez

and Ramon Martinez

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 5, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

get rid of wilpon

it is very simple to get rid of wilpon nobody spend a cent on anything mets til he sells the team done

by dutch29 on Dec 5, 2011 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

TRAID

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Dec 5, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not selling this team, maybe ever

And even if we did “boycott” all that would do is ensure wright gets traded

"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda

by piazza62 on Dec 5, 2011 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

at least...

At least we got this Steve Henderson kid, who can hit .300, I think. Pat Zachry has a good arm, if he can keep his temper under control. Doug Flynn can pick it in the field, and I have pretty high hopes for Dan Norman, too.

by jimwindolf on Dec 5, 2011 12:35 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Yes!

I was 10 years old on that dark day in 1977, but I loved those guys. Thank you Steve, Pat, and Doug. I’ll leave out Dan Norman, that was kind of a drag, especially when Joe Torre sent him up to pinch hit lefty and he struck out.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 5, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I loved them, too.

Hating the Seaver trade is revisionist history. At the time it looked like a good deal.

by Curtis3331 on Dec 7, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The Seaver trade was widely hated when it happened

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by Russ on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

We'll All Miss Jose, But...

…I don’t begrudge him signing with another team. I begrudge the Wilpons for putting us in a position where we couldn’t even put up a fight, dollar-wise, to retain him.

If the Mets make a fair offer and Reyes turns it down, fine. But last time I checked the Mets play in the largest media market in the world. Time will tell how good/bad of a contract this is, but New York teams don’t let players walk because they can’t afford them. This is just downright embarrassing and the blame falls squarely on the Wilpons’ shoulders. This is what’s most upsetting to me.

by Adam Callan on Dec 5, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

I look at it this way: I’ve pretty much known he’d be gone, so I had 4-5-6 months to prepare for it. The Mets are years from contention, and unless signing Jose Reyes meant getting six Jose Reyes’, that wasn’t going to change.

I got over Straw with the Dodgers, I’ll get over this too.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 5, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

Words are meaningless.

Jose is gone.

I typed your symptoms into this thing up here and it says you could have network connectivity problems.

by TKFJ on Dec 5, 2011 12:41 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Another thought

How happy are we going to be if Jose misses half the season with a hammy injury? I mean not happy that the dude is hurt, but happy that he will not be sitting on our DL. Also, when he faces our own RA Dickey, how much are we gonna laugh when he looks foolish swinging at a knuckeler? I really do not know where all of this optimism is coming from, but I am just going to roll with it for now. I am sure the pessimism is lurking somewhere in the shadows.

by CCE718 on Dec 5, 2011 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

Hearts can only be broken once

and losing Rusty Staub broke mine when I was 12.

So to all the 12-year olds out there for whom Jose is all that: this really sucks for you, we know, we’re sorry.

And if it’s any consolation, you don’t actually ever get over it.

OK, that’s not consolation at all. But it is only just baseball.

by Kepler on Dec 5, 2011 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

God...

I could only imagine how bad this would be if I was a diehard 12 year old Met fan.

I would wallow in pity for weeks.

Now I only do it for days.

Maturity.

I typed your symptoms into this thing up here and it says you could have network connectivity problems.

by TKFJ on Dec 5, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

this is an oddly inspirational post

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd and wholeheartedly agreed

This is what baseball needs: home-grown, beloved superstars spending their careers with the teams they came up with. The pain of losing a player like Reyes threatens to lose baseball its most passionate young fans, some for life. If a huge-budget New York team can’t afford to make that happen, the commissioner should invoke the “best interests of baseball” clause and take that team over.

by anonymous on Dec 5, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

That would be nice

But unfortunately we have the displeasure of having the only owner in dire financial straits that also happens to be best buds with the Commissioner and has taken a very hypocritical stance with how the Wilpons are handled versus other owners who are running their franchise into the ground.

by MetsCity on Dec 5, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd like to have just one future HOFer before I die

In the largest market in the country, why is that too much to ask?

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by Russ on Dec 5, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Because you are a Mets fan.

I typed your symptoms into this thing up here and it says you could have network connectivity problems.

by TKFJ on Dec 5, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, which Wilpon are you?

Fred? Jeff? Shemp?

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by Russ on Dec 5, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand the desire for Hall of Fame players

but what on earth does being in New York have to do with it? Do fans of Milwaukee, Los Angeles, Pittsburgh, Oakland, etc not deserve the same? I’m upset, but I can’t stand the elitism.

"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda

by piazza62 on Dec 5, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What elitism?

The fans of small market teams have had that, but the Mets have not. The point about being in New York is that the money is here to keep players, assuming competent ownership.

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by Russ on Dec 5, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Competent ownership, money, and New York

are all mutually exclusive for the Mets.

"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda

by piazza62 on Dec 5, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

this has to be at least top 10 reaction so far:
I could have learned to play the piano in the time I wasted following this team.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Dec 5, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen.

I typed your symptoms into this thing up here and it says you could have network connectivity problems.

by TKFJ on Dec 5, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd for calling the bullshit

But time spent watching baseball is never wasted. Like any other human activity, it’s not pure, but it does contain some purity. Baseball, in itself, is and will remain beautiful.

by SuperT on Dec 5, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Brilliant
maybe this is a moment when you can help your kid realize that this while baseball fandom thing is a waste of time and energy. Fuck the Mets, fuck fandom, fuck the Wilpons, etc. I could have learned to play the piano in the time I wasted following this team. Learned French. Painted. Biked. Done anything useful. Instead, I wasted it all. Don’t let your kid make the same mistake.

It is too late to save me, but I can save my kids!

"RBI’s does measure something – Wins."
-Bayonne Mets Fan on MMO

by Dandy Salderson on Dec 5, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that is pretty damn good

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Dec 5, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Subject lines please

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by Russ on Dec 5, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Why save them?

Make them suffer like you did! ha!

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Dec 5, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

This

Does tradition mean nothing?

by SuperT on Dec 5, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe kids will feel an affinity for Ruben Tejada

Because they used to look like that when they were 8 years old.

by Ownbey4Mex on Dec 5, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice to see the Mets have an intern program

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Dec 5, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

So, sayeth Steve Phillips

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 5, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

" We get to say good bye to him on a victory lap-type last season."

Yeah, and he makes one plate appearance, bunts, and then goes to the bench, never to be seen again.

by Curtis3331 on Dec 7, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

This is tough to take

Been a Mets fan from London since around the Reyes and Wright era began (bandwagon ftw)

Losing Reyes comes a few months after the team I follow in England, West Ham, sold their best player to their biggest rival that play down the road for a measly 5 mill. This was after he was named player of the year even though we were relegated… so we’re no longer even in the EPL. 5 mill for an England starter grrrr.

And now this, sigh.

Supporting terrible teams since I can remember

by Hawkins the Hammer on Dec 5, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

I like what Klaw had to say about the Mets wrt Reyes

“The biggest winners here — besides Reyes, obviously — are the New York Mets, who get to say they made a good-faith effort to retain their star but weren’t willing to go to the lengths to which the Marlins went to sign him. There is no rational argument that the Mets should have invested for that length of time in a player as risky as Reyes is — they should be thinking long-term, and Reyes’ risk increases exponentially as time goes on. Shortstop is a tough hole for them to fill in the short term, but given their other issues, they are better off with Reyes in South Florida.”

I agree with this completely. It’s the only thing i’ve read that jives with my feelings and thoughts perfectly.

Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!

by TWilliAM on Dec 5, 2011 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

Ugh

the fact that Law thinks it was a good move only proves it was probably stupid. Cameron’s article makes a lot more sense. The Marlins will get great value on this contract even if Reyes only averages 130 games a year. Law is an obnoxious idiot.

by David G on Dec 5, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Why does it matter what the Marlins get out of him?

All that matters is that in the Mets current financial situation, it made little sense to resign him.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only BLUE WALLS.

The 2012 Mets: Fortune cookie says come back in 2015

by Syler on Dec 5, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Market value can't be the emphasis here

It’s the fact that Bay, Santana, and Wright already take up significant portions of the payroll, and if you sign Reyes, you’d be tying up about 80 million in four players for the next two years.

When your payroll is seemingly dropping on a daily basis, you cannot afford to tie up that much of your payroll on one player, no matter how good he is.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only BLUE WALLS.

The 2012 Mets: Fortune cookie says come back in 2015

by Syler on Dec 5, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

First off, your math is off

if you get $80 million from those 4 contracts.

by David G on Dec 6, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Since when do terms like "market value"

and “franchise player” and “fans” mean anything to the Wilpons? You give them too much credit.

"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda

by piazza62 on Dec 5, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That might have some merit if

1) Anyone actually buys that “they made a good-faith effort”, and/or
2) Reyes wasn’t lost on a market-value contract.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
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by Ogre39666 on Dec 5, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

teh drug traidz

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Dec 5, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

they'll firesale in a year or two

They have enough to pay the contracts for a year or so, and know big names are easy to trade the second they fall out of contention. I’m sure they’ll spend their asses off, totally on the assumption most of these players won’t be around more than a year or two.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

So are we allowed to start hoping for them to do a Delgado now?

I look forward to the second coming of Jose. Next year, in Jerusalem Citi Field.

by anonymous on Dec 6, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

OK, then would you trade....

…Nimmo, Wheeler and Mejia for Reyes?

Cause that’s what they’re gonna ask for.

by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Dec 6, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

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