Could "Own to Rent" Become the New Overslot Strategy?
Well, he's gone.
Are the choices really to hope the Wilpons win $100m at roulette or prepare for Rebuild on a Budget?
Maybe another year of Sandy "over-slotting" with the best of 'em will be a quick fix . . . Oops the new CBA means he can't.
But 3 first rounders will be a huge boon! Huh? The "Revenge of the Giant Heath" deems one to be a third-rounder?
Crap. We're screwed. Well yeah, but it's time to get creative to try to salvage something.
How about spending the Jose dinero on a higher priced FA that we flip into prospect(s) in July?
He needs to be on a short-term deal, not be getting extravagent dollars and be in demand at the trade deadline.
Think starting pitching - think Hiroki Kuroda.
He made $12m last season and is rumored to be trying to snake the Snakes into a 1 year + 1 year player option deal. So maybe a $12m + $2m buyout of a mutual option gets it done. Even a regression from the past two years to his mlb average performance should make him the apple of many a July contenders eye.
That deal would cost the Mets $8m since we're only paying for 2/3 of the season - $10m if we need to sweeten the pot for a better prospect. Come July he's shipped to contender-land for the next Zach Wheeler. OK, that's probably an over-reach but he ought to fetch something of real value.
The bigger point is we can't spend $8m over-slot in the draft but we can spend that money on a big leaguer that gets turned into a prospect(s).
He also fits into the "pitching & defense" philosophy & strengthens a weak rotation. He won't sell tickets but hot starts by 3 of Ike/Duda/DWright/JayBay could lead to a winning April/May that could sell more summer tickets before a likely regression to 70-75 wins. Jose won't be forgotten but maybe a surprising start eases some of the sting. And if by some miracle Johan is healthy and 80% of his former self a Santana-Kuroda-Dickey-Niese-Pelfrey rotation could keep us in our fair share of games.
And if the $8m is too steep, "tender and trade" Pelfrey for a wild/big-heat AAer and give Gee a job. The risk of course is that Kuroda has a bad year or gets injured.
I'd rather roll the dice on a single signing that could return a high-ceiling prospect than 2-3 low-ceiling mlb-ers that take us from 68 to 73 wins.
Maybe Kuroda isn't the right guy - who else might fit that type of profile?
The point is there's a young future star out there we'd love to fall in love with, maybe moves like this could be the way to acquire him.
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This actually isn't a bad idea.
And as crazy as it might sound…Ryan Madson? We do need some sort of relief pitcher, and as crazy as it is to drop huge money on a reliever, doing it with the strategy of trading him to some moron GM (or even the Marlins) at the deadline doesn’t sound too shabby. He’d contribute for the .5/1.5 years he’d be in a Met uniform, and then we deal him. Of course it comes with associated risk, but to me he’s the least risky option. Others…maybe K-Rod, Jimmy Rollins is a little too risky, but there are guys out there.
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Ryan Madson would be too pricey
Unless we can wait back and sign him after all the other guys are gone. Relievers also don’t fetch a lot of prospects, I’d rather go for Kuroda.
I dont see the Mets handing out contracts
over 5 mill/season in the next 2 years till Bay and Santana are gone.
the whole point is they won't be longterm deals
and they won’t be staying around all season. I feel like Billy Beane has been doing this for several years now
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An interesting strategy
Not only do we build the farm system up further, but we also mitigate the cost. If Hiroki Kuroda is given a contract that calls for him to make $12 million for 2012, we’d only be paying him $6 million or so.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 5, 2011 5:06 PM EST reply actions
I alsoI think they should be looking at Marquis, Harang, Lidge. Bedard. Francisco, Chavez, DeJesus, Dotel and Varitekaritek
Offer 1 year contracts with loads of incentives. Maybe 1 or 2 will take the bait, and the A’s have a closer named Bailey who would be a real nice fit
Madson, Krod, Kelly Johsnon, Willingham, Sizemore, Duchscherer, Harden, Wang
and Pagan would fit this description.
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that list made my Wang Harden to a new Sizemore, you Duscherer
my Johnson is Mad—son, I am going to need to be like KRod and beat it – how very pagan like
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by astromets on Dec 5, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 5, 2011 8:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Definitely interesting food for thought
This could be an interesting way for a big market team to game the system. There is, however, large risk involved, which would prohibit us from doing this in the short term.
For one, we would need to be able to guarantee the full life of a contract. Even if you plan on trading a player, you never know if that player will get injured, making him impossible to dump. We cannot yet afford to buy extra players just for the purpose of flipping them.
Second, I don’t think the gain would be any more economical than just signing free agents to keep because most free agents that teams want are overpaid. Look at Bay or Santana. Most big contracts to marquee players are unmovable. In order to get any prospect at all, we would have to eat a huge portion of their salaries, which would defeat the whole purpose of trying to get cheap, young talent.
That said, I like you’re way of thinking. Any method we can employ to keep player value liquid is a good one. I think it would be wise to look for free agents that can be acquired for contracts below their real worth come July. Kuroda may be one of those guys or he may not be but it’s worth exploring his market to see what kind of deal we could get.
this has been going on for years
See Billy beane

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