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Another Yankees Fan Reaction to the Loss of Reyes

Before I begin I just hope my words are met with non-bias Yankee fan hatred, as many who do know me on AA know that I have nothing but respect for Mets fans and what they are going through especially now. However, as a Yankee fan, I just felt the need to respond to this in regards to my perception of what you're going through and why you should be furious at what has transpired. This was originally going to be a response to the fanpost about someone's Yankee fan friend reacting to the Reyes situation, but it got so long that I decided to make my own fanpost instead.

More after the jump.....if you want anyway....it's not pretty...

Star-divide

The truth is, I do understand what Mets fans have to go through. However, there should be NO pride in what they are going through right now. No solace. There should only be shame, disappointment and seething rage at what your organization has now become.

<blockquote>How easy to be a yankees fan when there is no competing market pressures from other ball clubs or an anxiety of losing a free agent. Unlike our beloved Mets, yankees fan have no genuine vested interest in the outcome of their team. For the most part, everything is handed to them on a silver platter.</blockquote>

He's absolutely right. It's easy to be a Yankee fan and a huge portion of our douchebag fanbase do not have any vested interest in the team. They joined up when the Yankees dynasty began in the late 90's. But there are those of us who went through the 80's and early 90's when they did not win, when all the front runners were nowhere to be seen. Having said that, there's a huge amount of relief and pride in knowing that I don't have to really go through the anxiety of losing a home grown superstar to free agency. It's honestly my favorite part about the Yankee's bajillions. I don't have to worry about a Robbie Cano attaining possible superstar status then have to worry if my team can afford him. Yeah, we overpay the Jeter's & hell even Mariano Rivera is paid more than what he's worth, but that's because #1. we can afford it and #2. they are beloved players in our happy little land and they bring fans to the game and sometimes that's worth rewarding.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that because we don't have to worry about stars going to free agency that it makes us less of fans? Or even more frightening, are you trying to tell me that the Mets should NOT be striving for that "elitist Yankee" status where they don't have to ever worry about losing a beloved star like Reyes? Cause that makes absolutely no fucking sense to me as a baseball fan. At all. Losing Jose Reyes is truly truly sad because it should not have happened. Even if he was overpaid, it should have been the Mets overpaying him because they were successful enough where they could afford it. That's the whole problem with all of this. Losing Reyes is just one more exclamation point on the essay that some baseball fan is writing on what has happened to this fine organization over the past 5-6 years.

Let me tell you what I saw from a Yankee fan perspective about 6 years ago. I saw a Mets team that reminded me of the Yankees of 94-95, a team getting ready to make an incredible run after so many years. They had incredible talent coming up and it looked like they were ready to build around them, similar to what the Yankees did. This was their time. I saw my friends actually hopeful for the future, after having to deal with Steve Phillips idiocy for so many years. And then what do I see? Moronic move after moronic move. Horrendous management & general management. And above all else, absolute incompetent & complacent ownership, and that's the true tragic word I have to use. Complacent. Say what you will about Steinbrenner, as he could be a douche more often than not, but he would not have tolerated that level of incompetence from his staff. Above all else, he wanted to win, because as a businessman he knew the wonderful formula that winning brings in fans, fans bring in money, money brings in winning. Meanwhile, your owners did nothing, laid back and allowed morons to destroy your chance to shine and instead give it to the Phillies.

I do not mean to be an ass, but I partially blame the Phillies success on the Wilpons as well because of their complacent dicktardedness. The reason the Yankees are in the place they are right now, the reason fans like me who dealt with mediocrity can now breathe a sigh of relief & joy is because they built off of the success of their dynasty. I'm not saying the Mets could have repeated what the Yankees did during that time, cause even I can't believe what they did during that time. However, all the Mets needed was one good year, one recent shining beacon to build off of and the Phillies took it from them when they built off of the success of the Mets historic collapse, a collapse that should not have happened, much less repeated. The Phillies built their recent success off of their incredible "comeback" and they are thriving because of being handed it by the Wilpon's complacency. Say what you will about Yankee fans being handed our peace of mind on a silver platter, but quite frankly some of us earned it a lot more than the Phillies fans EVER did. They were handed it.

<blockquote>What do yankees fans sacrifice? They are pampered, told they are special because of their legacy, and sit on their hands casually rooting for their team. That can't be a fan life worth living. No drama, little to no emotional effort. Sure some can be assholes and smack talk with a smug sense of pride, but it is hollow.</blockquote>

Like I said above, at least those of us who dealt with mediocrity earned the kind of franchise we have now. Yes, it is evil but the kind of success we have is what every team should strive to achieve. If you don't think I enjoy rooting for the Yankees because of the "lack of drama" then you are sorely mistaken.

<blockquote>Most mets fan I know have a deep connection. They have a heart, passion, and have genuine interest during the good times and bad. It is always a struggle yet we remain. At this site and reading the comments, I truly was glad to share the remorse of the loss of Reyes and know that as a community we will get through this and move on.</blockquote>

Let me let you in on a little secret: every team has the potential to attract the kind of douchebag fans the Yankees have. One day, when the Mets are indeed successful, see how your fanbase changes. Wait till you see the frontrunners come out in fucking droves, take up your seats at Citi Field and make those prices go up. If you need an example of this, look no further than the Red Sox Nation. The only positive, for me, that came out of the 2004 debacle is that they are now learning to deal with assholes & douchebag fans, fans who have no vested interest in the team, and fans who know absolutely nothing of what the true Red Sox fans had to deal with. They know nothing of failure, and only expect success. When the Mets are successful, those are the type of fans you can expect to see at Citi Field. Those fans not only will know nothing of what you true Mets fans have gone through and dealt with, but they will not care and they will only focus on the recent victories and your previous championship teams. You think the WFAN callers are bad now? Wait till the Mets win.

You should always take pride in your team, as they are your team and you have invested a huge portion of your time & effort into them. However, there should be absolutely no pride in your organization right now. There should only be great vengeance and fuuuuuuurious anger, for they have truly poisoned your beloved Mets. Jose Reyes is a fantastic player and he should have been celebrating the return of the Mets to NY prominence along with his fans down the Canyon of Heroes in November. The Mets should have then built off of that success and become a true beast to contend with. Now they are a small market team with ownership that makes Peter Angelos start to look a little better by comparison. Losing Reyes is not just a failure of management, but it's just another negative mark on the organization as a whole. What's so troubling is that the Mets are not just failing as a team, but they are failing as an organization and a business as a whole.

The Wilpons are the reason your team is laughed at and made fun of in the media and by douchebag Yankee fans, because they continuously pour gasoline onto the fire. What's truly scary is that your team can have success and they can still fuck it up, like they did. They finally made the right move in getting rid of Omar & Jerry and hired competent management. However, the WIlpons can still fuck it up, and judging by this and all the things that constantly continue to come out about their financial situation, they still are. I saw something tweeted today about how Sandy only has $10-$15 million to spend on outside talent this year. Considering where your team was 3-4 years ago, that's absolutely fucking insane. I'm not trying to be an ass here or rub salt in the eye but this is why your team is mocked, because unfortunately right now, it's a fucking joke. If none of this were going on, all the jokes in the world would mean nothing because your team would still be contending and successful. But it's not and almost all the blame in the world can be laid on the Wilpons for this cosmic Mets abortion going on right now.

I am truly sad for my friends right now who have been fans of the Mets as long as I've been a fan of the Yankees. I have no reason to be angry. They have even reason to see red at what has happened. The Mets should not have lost a player as beloved, as talented, and as exciting to watch as Jose Reyes. I mean no offense by this, but he was your Derek Jeter. He was that player who, even if he was not worth the huge contract he got, you would have been happy to give it to him cause of what he meant to your team and your team's history. Losing him is now also part of your history, but in the worst way. It is another exclamation point on the recent history of idiocy, complacency, and mediocrity that neither Reyes nor Mets fans deserved. Obviously you'll move on, you'll continue to root for your beloved Mets and find comfort and solace with other fantastic fans here on AA during this dark time. From a fellow baseball fan and a fan of the evil empire across the Triboro, I sincerely wish you all the best and adamantly hope that the Wilpons are eventually forced to sell this team to someone capable of making it a contender before you possibly lose another "Jose Reyes" type star in the future.

I am sorry for your loss and wish you nothing but the best.

-I'mGivingYouARaise

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You clearly did not read my post well enough

I didn’t say not to have pride in your team. I said not to have pride in your organization, as in the people running it. But clearly all you see is red right now, so my apologies.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

You should really limit to ownership

We have a new front office that is excellent. They’re not the problem. The problem is ownership, and incompetence of prior front offices.

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by Russ on Dec 6, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just writing basically that

The FO is terrific. It’s the Wilpons, but even moreso its MLB for allowing them to keep the team while going after Texas, LA and Houston.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

And of course Omar is more responsible than anyone

If Sandy is to be believed, the reason we couldn’t keep Jose is that we couldn’t get people in the seats. That’s on Omar for destroying the on-field product.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

And for signing Jason Bay

Wouldn’t it be nice if weren’t spending $16 million/year on him? Reyes might still be a Mets.

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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden

by Russ on Dec 6, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Now we play a waiting game

We punt the next two years and trade anyone that can’t be reasonably locked up yet still has value. That means Wright, Murphy and our new closer for sure, maybe Niese and Duda (though I think we can sign them long-term). Accumulate prospects through these trades and the draft, then come 2014 when we emerge from under the Bay and Santana contracts, we’ll be able to graduate some guys and hopefully fill out complementary pieces through free agency. But man…it’s gonna be rough the next two seasons. Thanks Omar.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

We might be able to trade Bay this season if he is playing well

There are still stupid GMs out there, as well as meddling owners with teams that will be in pennant races.

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by Russ on Dec 6, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Plenty of stupid GM's out there

Like I said, I think the main thing you have to worry about are the Wilpons ability to fuck everything up.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

If we can get him to void the vest, a la K-Rod

Then it’s possible, but as long as that option is there, I don’t see it. Plus, if you just watch him swing the bat…his stance is so fucked up. He’s angling his bat towards the pitcher, it takes him way too long to get to the plate. He can get away with that against lefties because he sees the ball so well, but he’s hopeless against righties.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

what's sad that

even though we have a good crop of pitchers in the minors, we are pretty thin when it comes to position prospect that could make significant impact anytime soon.

by secret defense on Dec 6, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be the plan

I’d love them to play Wright this year, get his value back up, exercise his option for 2013 and flip him for a beastly position prospect and a young fireballer.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm curious

What would you do with Johan?

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that's a thought

He’s not as fat either, so he might last longer!

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Let him ride out the deal

I’ll be honest, Santana is probably my favorite player on the team now that Reyes is gone, so I might be a little biased, but there’s absolutely no way to deal that contract, so we might as well let him pitch. I think it’s important to keep players the fans like for the next two years, because the financial situation is such that there’s no conceivable way for the team to compete in the next two years.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

that's the point with trading Santana

since the team has no shot of competing, why would the Mets want to pay him all that money instead of getting some prospects that could help the team when it’s ready to compete? If Santana can stay healthy, it’s conceivable that some rich team needing pitching would eat a significant portion of his contract.

by secret defense on Dec 6, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

As I said, he's untradeable

Think about how much money he’s making. $24 million is a ton of dough. Even if he throws 3-4 WAR for us for the next two years (which he is fully capable of doing), he’s still not earning that contract. No way we get anything significant for him.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said the other team has to eat all of his contract

I’m sure if the Yankees or Red Sox need a starting pitcher they could afford to pay Santana 15M to pitch for them.

by secret defense on Dec 6, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

We still wouldn't get any prospects back for him

Hence, not worth doing.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That's going too far

You need quality players in place if you are building a team back up.

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by Russ on Dec 6, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

By organization, I primarily do mean ownership

I think Terry & Sandy are pretty good.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Terry is what he is

He’s serviceable. Sandy and D3PO are the hope for this team.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Serviceable is all any team really needs

It’s a huge step above absolute idiocy. And I agree, hiring Sandy was a fantastic move. My fear would be the WIlpons firing him for not getting results soon enough, but thankfully they might be too complacent to do so.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Selig won't let them fire him

I’m much more concerned about him resigning in disgust.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That too...

Also, I don’t trust Selig to make a bowl of cereal without it catching on fire. Lord knows how he continues to make me dislike my favorite sport more and more. I’m already dreading 2013 & beyond.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm beyond fed up with his hypocrisy

How can he go and bail out the Rangers, Dodgers and Astros from bad owners, but because he’s buddy-buddy with Wilpon, we get shafted? Get his smug ass out of there, and Wilpon’s, too.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Dec 6, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That's my fear

He did this in the 1990s in firing Joe Mac saying he didn’t have the “skill sets” to be a GM. Phillips just ran the team down from there (any GM in NY knew it would have been good to trade for Piazza)

"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda

by piazza62 on Dec 6, 2011 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Again, Selig forced this

I don’t think he’s allowed to fire Alderson.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

you can't compare the NFL with MLB

the Mets are not limited by any salary cap, only by their shitty ownership

by secret defense on Dec 6, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you missed the point

I’m not comparing football to baseball, I was trying to highlight that the Yankees and their fans experience a sheer carelessness that no other team in sports gets to feel.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I get what you are saying, but

my point is that rather than looking at the Yankees as the exception, Mets fans should expect the same out of their own team and ownership. You used the Packers using Jenkins and Favre as an example of a team losing a useful player that it wanted to keep. Whether they left because of the GM’s decision or due to salary cap, it’s different from the Mets losing Reyes because this was purely due to a terrible, broke ownership. The Mets had every reason to match the Marlin’s offer, but couldn’t because of the Wilpons. Yes the Yankees don’t lose their franchise players, that’s because they took full advantage of the league rules and their large market. The Mets play in the same market and should have comparable resources to retain its own franchise players.

by secret defense on Dec 6, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I would never want what the Yankees have

A massive part of fandom is feeling like you’ve earned the titles your team won. I don’t know if most Yankees fans get that experience.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

fair enough, but I'd rather have what the Yankees fans have

instead of losing your franchise players because you couldn’t afford them.

by secret defense on Dec 6, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That's happened once in the past 20 years

and it probably won’t be happening again. I wonder if you would have sympathized with Dodger fans about Piazza, Royal fans about Beltran, Blue Jay fans about Delgado, and Twins fans about Santana. It’s time to move on.

"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda

by piazza62 on Dec 6, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Most of those were trades were they got somethign back.

Those situations also didn’t have the owners essentially lie to the fan base for a year about how poor they really were.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 6, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The Piazza trade was nearly the equivalent to the Midnight Massacre

for the Dodgers. The Twins got a bunch of junk, the Royals got junk, and Delgado was an FA. It’s not like the Brewers are getting much back for when they don’t resign Prince Fielder (but they don’t matter cuz they aren’t “big market”).

"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda

by piazza62 on Dec 6, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

The Brewers went for it when they had him.

We signed Jason Bay.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 6, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

with exception to the Dodgers, those were completely different situations

KC, Toronto, and Minnesota are small to mid market teams that couldn’t afford their free agents and were looking to trade him. As for the Dodgers, they were going through an ownership transition and they still offered nearly as much as what Piazza later got from the Mets, but Piazza was disgruntled with the team for not extending him earlier. Once they knew Piazza had no interest in resigning they looked to trade him and star over with prospects.

by secret defense on Dec 6, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't talking about the teams ability to resign the players

I was commenting on the fact that the effect on the fans of those teams might have been the same for him regardless. Dodgers fans don’t care what the reason was, they cared that they had a future Hall of Fame catcher on their team who will go in wearing someone else’s cap.

"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda

by piazza62 on Dec 6, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Dodgers fans felt that way because they had a good team and a large market that should have been able to afford Piazza

And the problem wasn’t as much that they couldn’t afford Piazza as that Piazza didn’t want to resign with them. I can definitely understand their anger. Fans (as least knowledgeable ones) of the small market teams understand their teams can’t afford to keep their homegrown stars accept it as long as they have good prospects to replace them. The anger that a lot of Mets fans like me feel isn’t simply because we lost one of our best and most beloved players, but also the suddenly bleak future replacing what we thought was going to be better times, and how a large market team is being outbid by one of the cheapest teams in baseball. With Reyes gone it would shock nobody if Wright is traded next offseason. Reyes leaving is a harsh reminder that the financial situation of the team might not be much improved anytime soon.

by secret defense on Dec 6, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The future wasn't any brighter with him, sadly

"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda

by piazza62 on Dec 6, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

How so?

Ignoring exciting and entertaining, the team is a lot better and a lot closer to contention with him then they are without.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 6, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

See, now that I don't quite get

Like I mentioned before, and again this is not to come off like a douche, but why wouldn’t you want the Yankees recent success? Again, many of the current generation of Yankees fans have grown up in the late 90’s and only know of what happened then, and I knew I was going to hate them because of it, because they don’t know what it’s like to go through years of failure and piss poor management, as well as when Steinbrenner just made bad decision after bad decision.

Honestly, and I’m just speaking for myself here, but 94 was a heartbreaking year for me. After years and years of failure, I was finally watching my team not only compete, but making an incredible run towards the postseason, and it was snuffed out cause of the strike. Hell, I felt bad for the Expos that year too. They might still have a team up there if not for that strike. Who knows. But I personally feel as if I’ve earned the titles my team has won.

If you want my honest opinion, lately I do feel that getting to the postseason is easy and cheap, but I feel that way because of the structure of the game. I feel the scheduling is immensely unbalanced and having a Wild Card, something I’ve NEVER been a fan of, only aids to my feelings of “Oh, well we’ll make it.” This season was the only one where I felt that there was a legitimate chance that we wouldn’t make it, due to the Rays being really good, the Red Sox being the Red Sox, and the fact that we were going in with a makeshift rotation of Colon & Garcia. So, this was an exciting year for me personally.

Despite all that though, just like any fan, I care about the players on the team a lot more than the organization. But despite my feelings of ease or whatever you want to call it, I am happy that because of the success of 14 years ago, my franchise was able to build off of that and now is able to put a contender on the field every year. I would honestly think that’s what any fan would want for their franchise.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course everyone wants enduring success for their team

Not everyone wants that the way the Yankees seem to have gotten it. There’s a reason they call you the Evil Empire. This is not a difficult concept, whether you like it or not.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Dec 6, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

Then how do you propose they get successful?

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

New owners

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by Russ on Dec 6, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a huge step

But also is completely undoable. If Selig isn’t going to force them out the way he did with McCourt, they have no good reason to sell and won’t

"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda

by piazza62 on Dec 6, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

That’s what is so sad about all of this. This was kind of my point with the whole fanpost, and I apologize if it came off “holier than thou” or anything like that.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

undoable...

sigh. Selig needs to get lost.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Dec 6, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why the fan base has to stop suppoting them.

It might cost us Wright but chances are with the way things are going, he’s gone if they stay anyway.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 6, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The Yankees haven't earned a title since the 70s

You could even argue 1996. Outside of that, their payroll has been astronomically higher than that of the rest of baseball (except in ‘98 when the Orioles had way too much tied up in too few players). There’s no chance of everything falling apart for the Yankees. They play a different game than everyone else. I don’t care about it being unfair; I just can’t see how that’s fun.

How can you enjoy being a baseball fan when not winning the World Series is considered shitting the bed. If the Mets manage 75 wins and have some fun along the way in 2012, I’ll be thrilled. I want to watch my team grow and claw and fight its way up to the top without having to throw irresponsible piles of money at free agents and yes, draft picks (I’m looking at you, Jeter). Sorry, just my viewpoint. You have to admit that you are playing a different game.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I am fully aware that we are playing a different game, especially now

Yeah, they are insanely rich. Steinbrenner has always spent top dollar to try to get his team a World Series championship. However, it took a good 14-15 years and Steinbrenner being forced to not interfere in order to spend that money correctly. You’re right in that they are now built to never fail, which has its pros and cons, and for me the pros outweigh the cons. I’d much rather see a player I love have a chance at a championship, something players dream about, than have him possibly never see that opportunity due to shitty management & ownership. Above everything else growing up as a fan, I wanted to see Donnie Baseball get a ring while playing 1st for the Yankees.

Also again, you’re lumping me into the fanbase that I hate more than you do. I knew that this was coming after 98. I knew the frontrunners & other lower members of my fanbase would get so spoiled that they would be unbearable to be around. Personally, I love every season they play whether they win the World Series or not, whether they make it to the post season or not. I enjoyed last year immensely because for once we were actually not the frontrunners. The honor was bestowed upon the Red Sox, who’s historic collapse put me in a state of bliss I don’t think will ever be repeated. The playoffs are a crapshoot, no matter how much money or talent a team has. This year proved that more than any other. Our series against the Tigers was very enjoyable and it came down to the wire. We lost, they won, and that’s all there is to it. I still had a lot of fun watching, and I enjoyed watching all the other series as well. The main purpose is to get there, and the way Selig is running the show, he’s the one making it easier for my team to get their every single year, especially with the soon to be expanded interleague & 2nd Wild Card bullshit which is going to make me covet this year of baseball probably more than any other.

See what I don’t understand is that your owners & previous GM did irresponsibly throw around piles of money, but they threw at absolutely useless players and surrounded your good, core players with them. That’s not the fault of the money, it’s the fault of the GM who dished it out and the owners who were complacent with him doing it. Your team did grow and claw and fight its way up to the top and then didn’t use the money they had responsibly. Again, that’s not the fault of the money. The Mets were about to play the same exact game the Yankees did to get where they are right now, but they played it horribly and losing Reyes, trading Beltran, and possibly having to trade David Wright is the result of that, and as a baseball fan I just don’t see how that’s enjoyable at all. Imagine what Sandy Alderson could have done with a budget as abundant as the Mets had 6-7 years ago. Odds are if he was, the Mets would be playing the same exact game as the Yankees do right now, not on their insane level of course, but in the upper elite like the Red Sox & Phillies are now. If you don’t want your team to become like that, I understand. That’s your viewpoint.

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

By saying same exact, you imply the same insane level

I wouldn’t mind at all being where the Phillies and Red Sox are. I would mind being where the Yankees are, because that level of payroll is just completely ridiculous. Cashman, a serviceable but fairly mediocre GM, has made moves that boggle the mind. Pavano. Wright. Burnett. Sooooo many craptastic pitchers have come and gone on HUGE deals for the Yankees, and yet they can get away with it because they are at a completely different level.

You’re missing the point. You CANNOT, under ANY circumstances, equate any other team in baseball to the New York Yankees. They are literally on a different playing field, and no team has the capability to reach that point. That’s why I don’t want that.

I also assume that the Sox’ collapse was the most blissful moment behind all the World Championships the Yankees have won? Because if not, that basically proves my point.

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by nymgb44 on Dec 7, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

LoL, now you're just grasping at straws

$201 mil is an insane payroll, but somehow $173 & $162 are “sane” and acceptable? So when Yankees outspend the competition on a ridiculous level that’s “evil,” but when the Phillies or Red Sox do it that’s okay? Sorry, that’s bullshit. Not once have I argued that the Yankees are not an evil empire. Not once have I said that any other team in baseball can equal the insane amount of spending the Yankees do. But you said, and I quote…

I want to watch my team grow and claw and fight its way up to the top without having to throw irresponsible piles of money at free agents and yes, draft picks (I’m looking at you, Jeter). Sorry, just my viewpoint. You have to admit that you are playing a different game.

…and MY point was that plenty of teams do exactly this. You wanna tell me giving the Red Sox giving that contract to Carl Crawford wasn’t an irresponsible pile of money thrown at a free agent? You wanna tell me giving Oliver Perez’ ridiculous deal wasn’t exactly that as well? Yes, the Yankees can do that and if it turns out bad, they can deal with it. But that wasn’t what you originally said. By that account, you don’t think the Red Sox can eat the Carl Crawford contract if it winds up not working? You don’t think they’ll deal with the John Lackey abomination either? You think they’ll no longer be able to compete because of these ridiculous deals? If you honestly think that, you’re deluding yourself. The Red Sox, barring Wilpon levels of stupidity, will always compete now because, like the Yankees, they are now built not to fail. My POINT was that the Mets were well on their way towards that as well, to playing the type of game the Yankees do, the type of game the Red Sox play now as well.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 7, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think any fanbase can say that they've earned their team's success

but I do feel a sense of honor in staying with a team, through ages of disappointment.

As far as how I would like to see the Mets succeed, it would be in creating their own superstars rather than purchasing them off the FA market. Seeing Wright and Reyes become the players they have is something every Mets fan should take pride in. I would like to see Davis, Niese, Mejia, Harvey etc. become great players as Mets. I would also like to see Murphy improve further, and Thole to grow into a really good catcher. This is what fans should dream of one day witnessing, not having every All-Star possible on the roster.

by Trey111 on Dec 6, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Habs are pretty close

Mets, Jets, Devils, United Football League

by BlueChill on Dec 6, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

When they had territorial talent rights absolutely

but not so much since then and certainly not in the last 15 years.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 6, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no pride to be found in Mudville.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

Essentially, this

Just leave the rest of us alone. Everybody hates your faux-classy organization, so take your holier-than-thou attitude and keep it to yourselves. Well said, blains, you get a rec.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys should chill out

I’mGivingYouARaise has posted here before and he’s been pretty cool.

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by Russ on Dec 6, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand he's liked by the community

I just don’t need the condescension right now. I know he’s well-intentioned, but how could a Yankee fan really contribute positively to any conversation over here right now? Especially when he calls my team a “fucking joke.”

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine, I've never read his stuff before

But I don’t need fans of other teams telling me how to feel about my team, especially Yankee fans. If it was more of, “Sorry to see you guys lose Jose. He was a great player for you. That sucks.” I doubt I would have commented.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Dec 6, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But this is for us as Mets fans to rant and lament about. As true or untrue as it may be, we don’t need the holier than thou crowd telling us why our world sucks and sneak in references to the dynasty at the same time.

"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda

by piazza62 on Dec 6, 2011 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

TEH YANKEES ARE TEH BEST TEAM EVAR

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Dec 6, 2011 1:10 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

You seem like a pretty cool guy,

but I stopped reading here:

The truth is, I do understand what Mets fans have to go through. However, there should be NO pride in what they are going through right now. No solace. There should only be shame, disappointment and seething rage at what your organization has now become.

Because trust me… that’s exactly how I feel about how this whole thing is going down. And the Reyes issue in particular. I’m mad as hell!

But. I just have to take it anymore, brah. Because I am still a Mets fan the next day. And I can’t be bothered to shed a tear over something so trivial (in the context of my life and the universe), that I cannot change on my own. There are so many other things worth more of my concern and emotion. I just have to hope/pray that the Wilponzis days are numbered, that Sandy can make the nicest shit sandwich he possibly can out of the shit he’s been given to work with, and that when they get to The Show, Harvey, Wheeler and Familia will turn out to have been secretly born on Krypton.

I waste more than enough time on this site myself, it is a nice community in my opinion, but I have to wonder why a purported Yankee fan is so worked up at the angst and bitterness of Mets fans in their darkest hour as to make a screedy post here. Maybe you’re an in-denial Mets fan? (I kid, I kid… maybe.)

TLDR: u mad bro?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

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by Terry_is_God on Dec 6, 2011 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

Like I said, I feel bad because two of my closest friends have to deal with this

But you’re right. I probably shouldn’t have bothered.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, but I do actually follow & root for you to win

Just not when you play us. By all accounts, I should be a Mets fan. I’m a 25 minute walk from Citi Field and I don’t ever pay for Mets tickets due to my internship in 09 at SNY.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

You're also way too intelligent and loyal to be a Yankees fan

I have a Yankee fan friend who really should be a Mets fan. He’s pessimistic, ornery, and actually has a full knowledge of baseball.

"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner

by nymgb44 on Dec 6, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, there you go. Almost an admission right there ;-)

I likewise root for your team when they’re not playing my team, or a handful of other teams I like (Rays leap to mind, heheh). I may lose points with some people for saying so, but it shouldn’t be that way. New York greatest city inaworld etc. etc.

btw, what was your SNY internship like? The only thing I really like about the network is Gary Cohen, Keith Hernandez, Ron Darling, and Ralph Kiner (with the occasional Jerry Seinfeld cameo).

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Dec 6, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, that internship was one of the greatest experiences of my life

SNY was a fantastic place to intern. Everyone who worked there was very kind, helpful, and appreciative. Through that internship, I was on the field of both Citi Field & Yankee Stadium on their opening day celebrations. I know the inner workings of Citi Field like the back of my hand. I can tell you a few things…

-You want another reason to hate Omar Minaya? How bout this… The SNY booth that Gary, Keith, and Ron sit in (a broadcast team I personally think is the best in baseball) is fucking shameful. It’s so insanely small that it’s why Ron or Keith has to give up their seat when Kiner or someone else joins them in the booth. I’ll never forget hearing them curse out that booth when I was interning there. The reason it’s so small is because Omar wanted his booth directly behind home plate, so it cuts the broadcast booth in half. The visitors booth is bigger than what GKR have to deal with.

-Another reason the media might pounce on the Mets a little too much is because the Mets treat them like crap. The press area cafeteria in Citi Field is, or was (it’s been 2 years) run worse than the concession stands outside. The food was terrible, the selection is awful, and the soda machine quite possibly didn’t work more times than it did. I mean, think of this what you will but these people are there cause it’s their job to be there, so when they have to deal with crappy service, it just doesn’t help things much. Mind you, it’s no excuse. I just wanted to let you know.

-Ralph Kiner is one of the most awesome people in baseball. He is an absolute class act. One day I was asked to help Kiner with his bags down to the pick up area, after he was done broadcasting that day. The entire time, he talked with me, asked me questions about what I wanted to do as well as told me stories about his baseball & broadcasting life. We talked for a good 20-30 minutes, and it’s honestly an experience I’ll never forget.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Cool stuff

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Dec 6, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh come on

Now I can’t even laugh at Ron sitting on the stool in the back without getting pissed at Omar

SELL THE METS

by piazza62 on Dec 6, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

This is all fascinating

and makes me want to try to get an internship there. Tell us more!

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Dec 6, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, if you can, definitely try to

You’ll start out doing mostly boring stuff like making transcripts of people talking (I don’t follow college basketball but now dislike the coach of the UConn Huskies), but during that you’ll get to sit in the production studio and watch how shows get made. You’ll sit in with the producers and some of the hosts of the shows and get to talk with them. Always ask questions and they’ll usually all be answered. All of them were pretty nice. You don’t see much of Gary Keith & Ron there, as they mainly just host the game from Citi Field, but they will stop in sometime. After a month or two of good honest work and when they know they can trust you, you’ll hopefully be sent out into the field to games and such to get sound bites from players from every sport, help out the on-site staff at Citi Field, possibly make food runs for the production truck, help the booth out with food runs and such.

The sound bites were the most fun thing I got to do there. Essentially, you get to see what it’s like as part of the press. Through this internship, I got to go behind the scenes at just about every major NY sporting event. I was in the Yankees & Mets dugout & clubhouse after the game, holding the mic up to the players during the interviews in the locker room. I also did this for the Knicks, Nets, & Rangers. I was also sent to Philly twice, because when Fox is doing there Sat game of the week, the SNY staff have off, but they still need the sound bite. Keep in mind though, it all has to be professional in terms of how you handle being around players. You are not allowed to really talk to them, ask for autographs or photos or anything of the sort. You’re only allowed to ask questions if you’re told to ask a specific question that you know the sports media that follow them around yearly are probably not going to ask.

If you do decide to do it, I highly recommend the night shift much more than the day shift, especially during the Baseball season. Since more games are played at night, as well as the afternoon shows, you’ll get a much better chance to see what goes on behind the scenes. The key thing is to work hard, make yourself as available as possible, don’t try and kiss anyone’s ass, and above all else obey orders especially out in the field. Another intern I worked with their who was a die-hard Rangers fan disobeyed a direct order from the people who sent him to get sound bites from the Rangers locker room, and he was never sent out again, which is one reason I got sent out a lot.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Great job

Other than a few minor factual errors which I attribute to not being a fan of the team, your essay was a well-written cogent and moving presentation that I agree with. And I am one Met fan who is not ashamed to admit I rooted for the 1996 Yankees. of course it did help that you beat the Braves. I don’t see what all the ire against you is about. You were not harsh Our owners are a joke.

by Endys Game on Dec 7, 2011 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

I probably could have worded it less douchey

I did write it at like 2-3AM!

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 7, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I've read your post 5 times now, and I find nothing douchey in it.

You, sir, have spoken the hard, cold, truth.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Dec 9, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

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