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A Market Deal Isn't Always A Smart Deal

In the fallout over the loss of Jose, many critics claim that matching the Marlins offer was a no-brainer because it's nothing more than a "fair market" deal. The implication is that Mets management failed to recognize the deal was too good to miss.

While that sounds intuitive it ignores important context. Not every market deal is a smart deal for every club. Remember, it appears 28 other teams declined to make a bid on Jose, many of whom could use a SS upgrade.

The argument that the Marlins got a good deal with Jose is largely based on a calculation that a win on the free agent market should cost $4-6m during the duration of Jose's contract and even with some injuries he's a reasonable bet to net that type of value. Let's use $5m for this discussion.

But that doesn't mean every time there's a player available who "only" costs $5m a win you should buy him. Based on that valuation, to get the 42 wins above replacement level needed to be a 90 win club solely from the FA market you'd need a budget of $200m+.

That's not in the Mets near future. You must have a mix of "cost per win" players. You need some really cheap guys who cost $150k, $300k, $1m/win to balance out the $5m/win players. And you need to avoid having a roster with too many bad contracts that pay substantially more than $5m/win.

When does a player like Jose make the most sense?

He'd be a great fit for an 85 win club that got zero WAR from SS with $18m to spend. He's in your budget and all else remaining equal, his 6.2 WAR gets you to 90-91 wins and playoff revenue! A great deal for that club.

Unfortunately the Mets are not that mythical 85 win club.

They are a 77 win club that would gain zero wins from re-upping Jose. Yes, they'd avoid losing his production but they wouldn't be adding wins. And unless they improve over last season they're likely to draw fewer fans in 2012 with Jose than they did in 2011.

The Mets reality is that they paid $52.5m for 2.6 WAR in 2011 from Wright, Bay & Santana. That's $20.2m/win from players that will cost $55m in 2012 and $57.5m in 2013.

That's why big-dollar contracts are so dangerous - we paid 4X the market value per win to three players who will make up over half the 2012 payroll. That big an under-performing fixed cost can keep you from affording "market" contracts - even for elite players.

Now hopefully they'll all improve in 2012.

If Santana can reach his Mets 3 year average WAR of 3.6 and both Bay and Wright double their 2011 WAR we'll get 8.8 WAR for $55m or $6.875m per win. That's about 35% over the $5m/win "market" value figure.

Bring back Jose and the Mets, while likely out of money, pick up 4.6 wins and get to 81-82 wins (I netted out Capuano against Santana). Of course, that assumes we replace the 23 for 26 save rate K-Rod provided over the first four months.

And 2013 may not be any better. It's entirely possible the Madoff trial is still being litigated and financial restraints are still an albatross, the big $ three cost $57.5m and I'd suggest Bay & Santana would be reasonable bets for regression from their 2012 performance.

So 2014 when that $57.5m becomes $8.5m worth of buyouts plus a decision on DW, is also probably the likeliest time frame for either a favorable resolution of the Madoff mess and financial certainty OR new, hopefully better, ownership.

That's also probably a reasonable time frame for knowing who of Wheeler, Harvey, Familia & Mejia stay healthy/can contribute. Of course in June of 2014 Jose will turn 31 and while he might sustain his recent performance, there's at least a decent chance, he'll be a bigger risk for injury and regression than he is right now.

If the Mets had a solid ownership team, increasing attendance, a $120m budget for the next two years and fewer question marks (Santana, Thole, Pagan, Bay, closer, set-up, Pelfrey maybe even Wright) then shopping for $5m/win deals is a no-brainer.

But that's not our current reality. Our current reality is that $5m/win deals don't really fit into our current budget.

That's not how it ought to be. We can/should be mad it isn't. But that's about the failure of ownership, not the failure of the GM to recognize value and market efficiencies.

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But that doesn’t mean every time there’s a player available who “only” costs $5m a win you should buy him. Based on that valuation, if you tried to build a 90 win club solely from the FA market you’d need a budget of $450m.

Isn’t it 5 million per win over the average replacement player, which is two? That knocks 10 million off per player according to your logic. Please correct me if i am wrong, as i may very well be… but wouldn’t that make the salary back down to 200 million rather than 450 million for a 90 win team?

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Dec 6, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

i mean starting player i think, not replacement as that is 0 wins, not two.

but the point still remains.

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Dec 6, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

A team with all 0 WAR players would win 48 games

Then it is $4.5 million per fWAR.

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by Russ on Dec 6, 2011 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

something like that,

all i know is his math somewhere is kind of flawed

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Dec 6, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I misunderstood

Thanks for the correction. I’ll either edit or delete that line. So to get the extra 42 wins at $5m/per would be $210m. Probably a little more since some of your minimum wage bench guys will have negative fWARs.

by cpins on Dec 6, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It is $4.5 million per fWAR

so if you are trying to get to 90 wins, that would cost $189 million on the open market, if all of your production is coming from free agents.

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by Russ on Dec 6, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Currently 4.5

it’s a pretty safe bet to rise though especially with the new CBA.

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by Blame-everyone-else on Dec 6, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Except for relievers, I doubt that new CBA will have much impact

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by Russ on Dec 6, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The Cameron article took a couple stabs a calculating inflation

Suffice it to say that if it’s $4.5m today it certainly won’t be in 6 years when the Reyes deal is winding down. Having the average only be 10% higher than the starting point is ultra-conservative.

by cpins on Dec 6, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I read the title of this post as...

“A Market Deal Isn’t Always a Smarket Deal”

Now I’m disappointed.

by psiogen on Dec 6, 2011 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

The "real" value of a win..

…if you just divide total payroll by something like 36*30 (i.e., total wins over replacement for the whole MLB), you get about $2.6 M.

by djletz on Dec 6, 2011 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

rationality doesn't need to factor into my brain as a fan

Jose Reyes was the Mets and we let him walk without an actual offer. To add insult to injury, the ‘big market team’ couldn’t even match the small market teams “market offer” to jose

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Dec 7, 2011 3:13 AM EST reply actions  

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