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Mets Sign Frank Francisco

The Mets already signed Jon Rauch and traded away Angel Pagan for a pair of players, but that doesn't mean they're done making moves for the night. Sandy Alderson has added another reliever to his bullpen, this time presumably to fill the role of closer. Frank Francisco has signed a two-year deal with the Mets, reportedly for $12 million.

Like Rauch, he spent 2011 with the Toronto Blue Jays. He's a high-strikeout, right-handed, hard-throwing relief pitcher. Francisco turned 32 in September.

After a pretty brutal year in the bullpen, the Mets have put together a new one very quickly tonight. With Francisco slotted in to close and Rauch and Ramon Ramirez figuring to set him up alongside the likes of Tim Byrdak, Bobby Parnell, and Manny Acosta, the Mets have more or less penciled in their bullpen for next year and - at least partially - beyond.

Plenty more to come on this and the other deals from tonight.

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Not a fan of paying him 6 mil per

Hopefully there’s still some room for a starter

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only BLUE WALLS.

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by Syler on Dec 6, 2011 10:15 PM EST reply actions  

$6m is fine

The first year $6m is basically a wash — the Mets have some money to spend and unfortunately have to spend it, with Reyes not coming back.

The second year is fine, too. Francisco is easily dealt at the 2013 deadline for a decent prospect if the team wants; we’d be paying $4m to get that prospect.

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by Dan Lewis on Dec 6, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that they "unfortunately have to spend it, with Reyes not coming back"

Shave $1 million or so here and find a way to save a little more elsewhere, and, bam, Kelly Shoppach is your back-up catcher instead of Mike Nickeas.

by GilbertP on Dec 6, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see it

Not surprised he got six mil after Rauch got 3.5 mil.

by graves9 on Dec 6, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I would have offered 5 mil per

but I thought improving the bullpen was the most important thing the Mets should and could do this offseason

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Dec 6, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

A little pricey but fine

2010-2011 xFIP-: Francisco: 79, K-Rod: 80, Bell: 84, Bailey: 87.

A little pricey, but meh. I really wanted Franky Frank. Pen looks very solid now; Rauch is probably the worst of the group.

by nmigliore on Dec 6, 2011 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

this comes to mind - I wanted Francisco way before this

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/heath-bell-and-park-effects/

I wanted him since this incident lol – http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1881073 – where is there a video of this? we need to gif it for future enjoyment

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by astromets on Dec 6, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

If the “market” (i.e., the Marlins) value Bell at $9 million/year for 3 years, then Francisco is probably “worth” $6 million/year for 2 years. Even without Reyes, the Mets should win more games next year, with Davis, Wright, and Murphy playing more games. With Reyes (and without the Wilpons), they should have been contenders for a wildcard spot.

But I’m satisfied that Alderson is doing a good job right now.

by Steve OnceBrooklynNowMets on Dec 7, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

This so much.

Let's go have a beer, Doc.

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by Crazy Nyce Dave on Dec 6, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec for FrankyFrank and RamRam

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Dec 6, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Goddamn it, if it weren't for Miami I'd be able to enjoy this.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Hate to say this, but 2011

Papelbon: 3.0 fWAR
FrankyFrank+Rauch+RamRam: 0.8 fWAR

just saying!

by robotoverlord on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

But they also give us quantity - which we needed - rather than just one back-end bullpen guy.

Also, they’re not long-term deals which is nice. They’re not earth-shattering, but they’re decent moves IMO

by Ryan_86 on Dec 6, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Rauch's -0.6 makes it look worse though

That was by far the worst year of his career and if he bounces back somewhat this group could easily be worth 1.5-2.0 WAR. Plus none of these guys are signed to 4 years with a vesting option.

by joma16 on Dec 6, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This

They were worth a combined 2.4 fWAR as recently as 2010 (and that was including a career-worst year from Ramirez)

by Ryan_86 on Dec 6, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

What with the market for relievers being set up by that deal, i’ll take it

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by blueandorange4life on Dec 6, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah we're raking in bullpen help this offseason at a pretty decent clip

although Rauch was a slight overpay, but minor details

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

If you look at his career

He usually has years like last year where he gets homer happy sandwiched between good years. per fangraphs:

2007: 0.72 Hr/9, 5.2% Hr/FB (87.1 IP)
2008: 1.38 Hr/9, 11.6% Hr/FB (71.2 IP)
2009: 0.77 Hr/9, 6.3% Hr/FB (70.0 IP)
2010: 0.47 Hr/9, 3.7% Hr/FB (57.2 IP)
2011: 1.90 Hr/9, 12.9% Hr/FB (52.0 IP)

His other stats stayed pretty close to his historical norms, even accounting for an abnormally high BABIP (.320) in 2010 (.279 Lifetime). If he has a bounce back year-which it looks like he will if the pattern holds true-he might be pretty close to worth it

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by blueandorange4life on Dec 6, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yea thats why i say slight overpay

I think he’ll be good, just not sure he’ll be quite that good. Still not a bad setup man for sure

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

its like im taking crazy pills

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Dec 7, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Multi year deal and a little expensive but Francisco is good

4 straight pretty good years supported by his peripherals.

2008 – 3.13 ERA, 3.18 FIP, 3.28 xFIP, 143 ERA+ (63.1 IP)
2009 – 3.83 ERA, 3.34 FIP, 3.46 xFIP, 122 ERA+ (49.1 IP)
2010 – 3.76 ERA, 3.12 FIP, 3.16 xFIP, 120 ERA+ (52.2 IP)
2011 – 3.55 ERA, 3.80 FIP, 3.36 xFIP, 120 ERA+ (50.2 IP)

Also has closed before so hopefully we won’t have to hear another bullshit “closer mentality” argument.

by joma16 on Dec 6, 2011 10:24 PM EST reply actions  

Now its time to stack our bullpen and sign Madson!

to a 2year/15M?

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

We really need a catcher and a starter though

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

make it, starters

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Does this bring..

….the 40 Man up to 40? That mean no Rule 5 draft for us on Thursday?

by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

41.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

These guys get added to the 40 man in a matter or days, not hours, if I’m not mistaken.

by bjk3047 on Dec 6, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Long time between now and Thursday

I suspect Sandy isn’t done yet

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by blueandorange4life on Dec 6, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

nice... if I may copy and paste from my AAOP

which I think was robbed of a place in the finals:

Why Frank Fransico? He has been very good, he is not that old and he can be good for couple years. I would sign him to a 2 year deal at 5 mil per and make him my closer for the next 2 years. He strikes guys out, and walks a few more then I would like but has not been bad by any means. He throws multiple pitches (mostly a fastball, but his splitter has been improving. His curveball is not spectacular but improving and while stopped throwing a changeup the past couple years, maybe he can get it back). Its prob the riskiest move in my AAOP, but with Parnell as the 8th inning man in waiting there is some security (also with Acosta). At 5 mil for just 2 years he is not an albatross if it doesn’t work out.

check out this article bout him: Article Link

After opponents managed a .301 average and .880 OPS off of him in the season’s first half, Francisco has shut hitters down in the second half to the tune of a .185 average and .545 OPS in close to the same amount of at-bats. Innings-wise, he’s actually pitched more in the second half, replacing his first-half 5.92 ERA and 1.849 WHIP with 1.42 and 0.829 marks, respectively.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

oops

here is the link:

http://jaysjournal.com/2011/09/28/figuring-out-frank-francisco/

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 6, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Dont Forget

That come deadline time, these names will be attractive for teams looking to bulster their pens. I think these guys can help the Mets in 2012, but if they arent helping us into the playoffs, they can help someone else for some prospects.

by SantonioBurress on Dec 6, 2011 10:34 PM EST reply actions  

Buy and Trade

Interesting…I guess

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by BlueChill on Dec 6, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

In case no one put the pieces together....

this was thrown by our new closer a few years back.

Hold on tight everyone!!

by bjk3047 on Dec 6, 2011 10:41 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Totally a justifiable situation

if tossed at Phillies fans

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Dec 7, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, absolutely!

I think his contract actually has a clause rewarding him for every Philthy fan he maims.

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 7, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

A little more than I would have liked, but I'm not gonna complain

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 6, 2011 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

Yup

But I want new ownership to keep Alderson and crew.

by millsy on Dec 6, 2011 10:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

The bullpen looks pretty solid now

If we somehow net Buehrle, this team doesn’t look too bad, although I’d love to see another impact bat added. Guess thats not likely in the constraints of our budget though.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 10:48 PM EST reply actions  

oh well, probably couldnt afford him this year anyway

Always liked buehrle though. Very underrated over the years

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Sign Manny!

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 6, 2011 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

Reply fail

That was for KM above me.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 6, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Jason Bay can help him through it, at least

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 6, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It was an everything fail

I like the condo, thank you very much.

by TheBigStapler on Dec 6, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Pitching, Pitching, Pitching

It’s how you win. Sandy gets it. These seem like good moves.

Now hopefully the young arms we are stockpiling will pan out too.

by millsy on Dec 6, 2011 10:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

still unhappy

keeping score this offseason…
subtract one elite player
add 3 extra OK players

Hoping the Wilpons become the Will-pawns

by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

wow

did I hit a nerve?

Hoping the Wilpons become the Will-pawns

by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don't get what you could possibly be accomplished

By harping and harping on something that is over and done with. Jose Reyes will not be a Met. Let it sink in, grind at you, whatever, but move on.

SELL THE METS

by piazza62 on Dec 6, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

although I'll miss Jose

It’s not so much losing him – the thing that REALLY grinds at me will continue to grind at me until the Wilpons sell.

Hoping the Wilpons become the Will-pawns

by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

and

I am getting even more impressed by Sandy making due with very little.

Hoping the Wilpons become the Will-pawns

by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, same

I didn’t mean to come off hostile, I guess I’m just still coping with this. I hope Selig comes to his senses and forces the Wilpons out, never to return.

Then, we can Sandy can pull a Rickey Henderson and trade for Jose when the Fish still suck.

SELL THE METS

by piazza62 on Dec 6, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you cant easily replace a superstar

but you can add pieces that in sum equal the value of a superstar… Downgrade at SS, upgrade elsewhere, lets see how it all balances out That said, I miss Jose.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

understand

just pointing out our offseason scoreboard of moves this far

Hoping the Wilpons become the Will-pawns

by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

and yes

I miss Jose

Hoping the Wilpons become the Will-pawns

by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

oy

what have I started ???

Hoping the Wilpons become the Will-pawns

by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

if

we can just make up some equations for this, or a hilarious .gif

Hoping the Wilpons become the Will-pawns

by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Burkhardt keeps talking about 21 games lost after the 7th inning

which was supposedly worst in mlb. The Mets must be spinning – if we can cut that in half we’re in the 2nd wild card hunt. Gotta love the hot-stove!

by cpins on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

We still have a money left to spend

Our payroll just went up by about $10MM tonight (after ditching Pagan’s $5MM). So that leaves us another $10MM or so to spend on bench players, minor league deals, and, god willing, another starter.

by TheBigStapler on Dec 6, 2011 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

I'm hoping we post for Nakajima now.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 6, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

That's an interesting idea

Do you think he’ll be a significant upgrade over Tejada? More pop, for sure, but will his OBP translate to MLB?

by TheBigStapler on Dec 6, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not bully on Tejada at all

So, yes.

Nakajima can probably give you Jimmy Rollins numbers- .280/.340/.400 or something to that effect. Do we think Tejada can do that?

Nakajima’s defense is the bigger variable.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 7, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I've got a sinking feeling

the real payroll is coming in at $95m . . . hope i’m wrong.

by cpins on Dec 6, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Too bad we're not playing scrabble

Sandy would have to get bonus points in the name game. RAM RAM AND FRAN FRAN in the same night?

by cpins on Dec 6, 2011 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

Won't be the first time in his career...

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 7, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

well

at least we will have a better bullpen, last season’s was awefull

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by rexthejet on Dec 6, 2011 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

Something to consider for those who aren’t sure what to make of all these bullpen moves in light of Jose Reyes leaving..

The Mets would have been in the World Series in 2006 with a better bullpen. You would have never had to see Carlos Beltran’s bat stay on his shoulders if it weren’t for one guy: Aaron Heilman.

The Mets lost a lot of games this year that their bullpen blew. It’s enough of a problem to have to worry about whether Mike Pelfrey is going to be average or terrible. Improving this bullpen was Sandy’s #1 priority and I’d say he already pretty much has done it cheaply and effectively.

Go Mets!

by mytoemytoe on Dec 6, 2011 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

Mets wouldn't have been in the playoffs in 2006 if they didn't have a great team

And they had a wonderful bullpen in 2006. Blaming Heilman for his outing in Game 7 is as silly as blaming Beltran for his last at bat. The Mets bullpen was great.

That said, while it’s nice we have better names in the ‘pen, let’s remember that bullpen pitchers are an extremely fickle thing to predict. I hope they do well, but even if they are rock solid, it’s not going to make the Mets a winning team by itself.

But hey, Go Mets!

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by Rey-O on Dec 6, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

this

can’t blame the ’pen for ’06. That said, you CAN blame the ’pen for ’08.

Time to update this: 2009 Did Not Happen. Neither did 2010. Or 2011. Sports suck.

by cjmulrain on Dec 7, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

i blame 06-10

on Lollie Perez.

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Dec 7, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

you can blame 06-08

on Jim fucking Duquett’s Kazmir-Zambrano trade

by secret defense on Dec 7, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm still trying to find out how that happened

I can understand buying low on Zambrano and making a project out of it…but did the Devil Rays just fleece the Mets or did Duquette go in there with that as his initial offer?

SELL THE METS

by piazza62 on Dec 7, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

well, considering it was Andrew Friedman vs. Omar Minaya

it’s a pretty lopsided mismatch in general managing abilities.

by secret defense on Dec 7, 2011 3:30 AM EST up reply actions  

It was Chuck Lamar

Lamar had a history of making outrageous demands for prospects, and so the Devil Rays rarely made any trades. His “hard bargain” approach worked with the Mets, though.

by sjohnson125 on Dec 7, 2011 6:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Zambrano wasn't even a prospect

Just a middling starter that Peterson thought he could “fix”.

SELL THE METS

by piazza62 on Dec 7, 2011 10:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

oof, my bad

that’s even more embarrassing.

by secret defense on Dec 7, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty neutral on these moves

But I like the bullpen moves if they’re just meant to be a bunch of lottery tickets to trade at the deadline if they excel.

by FrancoTAU on Dec 6, 2011 11:25 PM EST reply actions  

Add a decent SP...

and I’ll be satisfied on how the $18mil they saved on Reyes is being used this year. Not mention the flexibility on how most of that $18mil gets spent over the next 5 years.

I’ve started to think of Reyes like an old girlfriend. I never liked her enough to make a long term commitment but she was hot and it makes me jealous to see her with someone else.

Now I want to make her sorry she left – watch me win while your new loser boyfriend implodes and treats you like crap.

Am I bitter?

by john738330 on Dec 6, 2011 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

Or Reyes was your soulmate

but here father (Wilpon) sent her off to Europe to be away from you.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 6, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

if she was really your soulmate

you would go to Europe for her.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 6, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The Marlins aren't some rich scumbag; they're a homeless dude he forced her to marry just to spite you.

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 6, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

a homeless guy wearing an ugly shirt no less

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 6, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

how about

fear and loathing of south beach instead, especially if they sign pujols

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by astromets on Dec 7, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

what would we do

how do we make that deal not happen.

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Dec 7, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Well Loria fits the prince who is a horrible person stereotype.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 6, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm good with these moves

It’s something different. Changing some faces, giving me a reason to watch. Even if Torres turns out to be the same as Pagan, he’s different. It will take me a few moments to go hey, that’s some new guy.

To that end, keep things changing. Keep me guessing. Move the fences in, change the uniforms, maybe release some hawks and let them fly around the stadium. In lieu of an actual reason to watch the team, just keep it interesting.

by JJJ on Dec 6, 2011 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

I love the Hawks idea

although wouldn’t they just fly away? I knew we should have gone with that retractable roof…

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by cjmulrain on Dec 7, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Not if they have a food source.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 7, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Torres really

our new CF? Hard to believe that is why he is here.

by john738330 on Dec 6, 2011 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

jason Bay has played CF, maybe he's next in line!

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats what I was thinking.

by john738330 on Dec 6, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

my god i hope thats not the case

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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

They could just move Bay to Shortstop

That way we can really zero in on one position. Or maybe SNY can avoid pointing the cameras there at all. No sight of reyes, and with any luck, no sight of Bay either.

by JJJ on Dec 6, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think I like that better than Torres as the Opening Day CF

by john738330 on Dec 6, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i think sandy is just getting warmed up

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 6, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hehe

juggle multiple balls

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 6, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what would be crazy, guys?

If we made the playoffs. I would die, it would be so hilarious. Not to mention awesome.

by Criss Angel Couldn't Make Frenchy Vanish on Dec 6, 2011 11:47 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

that would be fanglorious

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It's baseball

Anything can happen.

"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell

by Rey-O on Dec 6, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine, I'll be positive.

Sandy’s more than capable of handling multiple deals at once; I can’t remember the Mets ever making this many moves in one day, let alone an hour.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 7, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Idiot Yakee fan

on WFAN criticzing deals and Sandy. Don’t we have enough idiots of our own?

by john738330 on Dec 7, 2011 12:33 AM EST reply actions  

So basically

Shea Stadium, circa 2008?

SELL THE METS

by piazza62 on Dec 7, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

those were good times

till….game 162

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Dec 7, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

revisionist history

they lost steam in late August. it was painful to watch. 162 was simply the inevitable, horrific conclusion.

"No curses, only incompetent ownership" - Russ

by Help!I'maRock! on Dec 7, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

ok so 150

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Dec 7, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

something posessed me to start posting on MetsBlog

if only for the lulz.

man, there’s a lot of stupid people on MetsBlog. i suspect these are the same people who call in to WFAN.

"No curses, only incompetent ownership" - Russ

by Help!I'maRock! on Dec 7, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Idiot WFAN callers are the new market inefficiency

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by Russ on Dec 7, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Well then, I'm glad we've apparently cornered the market on them.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 7, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Kazmir?

Looks like for some fans everything that goes wrong in the future will be because of not signing Reyes. Just like the Kazmir trade was the ruination of the team – until he started to suck.

by john738330 on Dec 7, 2011 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

difference being

of course, that Kazmir’s best seasons coincided with a 3-year run where the Mets had the best overall record in the NL, but fell juuuuuust short all 3 years. Kazmir could have pushed them over the top.

Time to update this: 2009 Did Not Happen. Neither did 2010. Or 2011. Sports suck.

by cjmulrain on Dec 7, 2011 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

or led to a whole butterfly effect of different events

which could have us still being led by the blind, aka Omar, which would likely mean further into a hole

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Dec 7, 2011 3:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd glady, GLADLY

take another decade of Omar as GM if the Mets had won the World Series in ‘06 and made the playoffs again in ’07 and ’08, preventing the rise of the Phillies. You think Philly fans care at all that Ruben Amaro is ultimately a bad GM who’s gonna hamstring them for the next decade after the run they’ve had?

Time to update this: 2009 Did Not Happen. Neither did 2010. Or 2011. Sports suck.

by cjmulrain on Dec 7, 2011 7:39 AM EST up reply actions  

my point was

that if we had Kazmir, then we wouldn’t have made the same moves we did, and might not have been as good. There is now way we can say that Scott Kazmir would’ve won us the 06 WS

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Dec 7, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

but if we weren't as good

then it stands to reason that Omar would be gone by now anyway.

Time to update this: 2009 Did Not Happen. Neither did 2010. Or 2011. Sports suck.

by cjmulrain on Dec 7, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

not really

considering the shit storm it took for him to finally get fired

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Dec 7, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I've fully embraced the new small market Mets...

BP is subpar, sign two relievers and trade for another while slashing some salary.

Rational decision making and the ability to make multiple moves in a night.

No money, no problem.

Fresh faces should at least make things interesting.

I typed your symptoms into this thing up here and it says you could have network connectivity problems.

by TKFJ on Dec 7, 2011 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

things were that way last year. awful but interesting.

hopefully some of the kids we saw last season have staying power cause we’re gonna need all the help we can get.

everyone….adopt black cats.

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Dec 7, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I can see us getting some CF help

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by Russ on Dec 7, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

$6M for Frankie...uhm

well, a lot of you guys wanted him so here he is.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 7, 2011 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

I'll say it

Rauch pretty much blows. We could have called up Jose De La Torre or any decent minor league arm and got better production for 3 million less, and spent that elsewhere.

by David G on Dec 7, 2011 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

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