Mets Sign Frank Francisco
The Mets already signed Jon Rauch and traded away Angel Pagan for a pair of players, but that doesn't mean they're done making moves for the night. Sandy Alderson has added another reliever to his bullpen, this time presumably to fill the role of closer. Frank Francisco has signed a two-year deal with the Mets, reportedly for $12 million.
Like Rauch, he spent 2011 with the Toronto Blue Jays. He's a high-strikeout, right-handed, hard-throwing relief pitcher. Francisco turned 32 in September.
After a pretty brutal year in the bullpen, the Mets have put together a new one very quickly tonight. With Francisco slotted in to close and Rauch and Ramon Ramirez figuring to set him up alongside the likes of Tim Byrdak, Bobby Parnell, and Manny Acosta, the Mets have more or less penciled in their bullpen for next year and - at least partially - beyond.
Plenty more to come on this and the other deals from tonight.
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Not a fan of paying him 6 mil per
Hopefully there’s still some room for a starter
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only BLUE WALLS.
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$6m is fine
The first year $6m is basically a wash — the Mets have some money to spend and unfortunately have to spend it, with Reyes not coming back.
The second year is fine, too. Francisco is easily dealt at the 2013 deadline for a decent prospect if the team wants; we’d be paying $4m to get that prospect.
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I wouldn't say that they "unfortunately have to spend it, with Reyes not coming back"
Shave $1 million or so here and find a way to save a little more elsewhere, and, bam, Kelly Shoppach is your back-up catcher instead of Mike Nickeas.
I would have offered 5 mil per
but I thought improving the bullpen was the most important thing the Mets should and could do this offseason
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
A little pricey but fine
2010-2011 xFIP-: Francisco: 79, K-Rod: 80, Bell: 84, Bailey: 87.
A little pricey, but meh. I really wanted Franky Frank. Pen looks very solid now; Rauch is probably the worst of the group.
this comes to mind - I wanted Francisco way before this
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/heath-bell-and-park-effects/
I wanted him since this incident lol – http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1881073 – where is there a video of this? we need to gif it for future enjoyment
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Agree
If the “market” (i.e., the Marlins) value Bell at $9 million/year for 3 years, then Francisco is probably “worth” $6 million/year for 2 years. Even without Reyes, the Mets should win more games next year, with Davis, Wright, and Murphy playing more games. With Reyes (and without the Wilpons), they should have been contenders for a wildcard spot.
But I’m satisfied that Alderson is doing a good job right now.
by Steve OnceBrooklynNowMets on Dec 7, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
Perspective
Papelbon: $11m
FrankyFrank+Rauch+RamRam: $12.5m, probably.
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by Dan Lewis on Dec 6, 2011 10:19 PM EST reply actions 14 recs
This.
This so much.
Let's go have a beer, Doc.
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by Crazy Nyce Dave on Dec 6, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Rec for FrankyFrank and RamRam
Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "
by SuperSantana on Dec 6, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Goddamn it, if it weren't for Miami I'd be able to enjoy this.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
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Hate to say this, but 2011
Papelbon: 3.0 fWAR
FrankyFrank+Rauch+RamRam: 0.8 fWAR
just saying!
by robotoverlord on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
But they also give us quantity - which we needed - rather than just one back-end bullpen guy.
Also, they’re not long-term deals which is nice. They’re not earth-shattering, but they’re decent moves IMO
Rauch's -0.6 makes it look worse though
That was by far the worst year of his career and if he bounces back somewhat this group could easily be worth 1.5-2.0 WAR. Plus none of these guys are signed to 4 years with a vesting option.
by joma16 on Dec 6, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
What with the market for relievers being set up by that deal, i’ll take it
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-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Dec 6, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
yeah we're raking in bullpen help this offseason at a pretty decent clip
although Rauch was a slight overpay, but minor details
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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
If you look at his career
He usually has years like last year where he gets homer happy sandwiched between good years. per fangraphs:
2007: 0.72 Hr/9, 5.2% Hr/FB (87.1 IP)
2008: 1.38 Hr/9, 11.6% Hr/FB (71.2 IP)
2009: 0.77 Hr/9, 6.3% Hr/FB (70.0 IP)
2010: 0.47 Hr/9, 3.7% Hr/FB (57.2 IP)
2011: 1.90 Hr/9, 12.9% Hr/FB (52.0 IP)
His other stats stayed pretty close to his historical norms, even accounting for an abnormally high BABIP (.320) in 2010 (.279 Lifetime). If he has a bounce back year-which it looks like he will if the pattern holds true-he might be pretty close to worth it
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
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by blueandorange4life on Dec 6, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
yea thats why i say slight overpay
I think he’ll be good, just not sure he’ll be quite that good. Still not a bad setup man for sure
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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Multi year deal and a little expensive but Francisco is good
4 straight pretty good years supported by his peripherals.
2008 – 3.13 ERA, 3.18 FIP, 3.28 xFIP, 143 ERA+ (63.1 IP)
2009 – 3.83 ERA, 3.34 FIP, 3.46 xFIP, 122 ERA+ (49.1 IP)
2010 – 3.76 ERA, 3.12 FIP, 3.16 xFIP, 120 ERA+ (52.2 IP)
2011 – 3.55 ERA, 3.80 FIP, 3.36 xFIP, 120 ERA+ (50.2 IP)
Also has closed before so hopefully we won’t have to hear another bullshit “closer mentality” argument.
Wow, three moves within a few minutes...remember when Omar told us he could only focus on one move at a time?
That fucking scumbag.
Let's go have a beer, Doc.
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by Crazy Nyce Dave on Dec 6, 2011 10:26 PM EST reply actions
Now its time to stack our bullpen and sign Madson!
to a 2year/15M?
Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "
We really need a catcher and a starter though
Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "
make it, starters
Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "
by SuperSantana on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Does this bring..
….the 40 Man up to 40? That mean no Rule 5 draft for us on Thursday?
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 PM EST reply actions
Long time between now and Thursday
I suspect Sandy isn’t done yet
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Dec 6, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
nice... if I may copy and paste from my AAOP
which I think was robbed of a place in the finals:
Why Frank Fransico? He has been very good, he is not that old and he can be good for couple years. I would sign him to a 2 year deal at 5 mil per and make him my closer for the next 2 years. He strikes guys out, and walks a few more then I would like but has not been bad by any means. He throws multiple pitches (mostly a fastball, but his splitter has been improving. His curveball is not spectacular but improving and while stopped throwing a changeup the past couple years, maybe he can get it back). Its prob the riskiest move in my AAOP, but with Parnell as the 8th inning man in waiting there is some security (also with Acosta). At 5 mil for just 2 years he is not an albatross if it doesn’t work out.
check out this article bout him: Article Link
After opponents managed a .301 average and .880 OPS off of him in the season’s first half, Francisco has shut hitters down in the second half to the tune of a .185 average and .545 OPS in close to the same amount of at-bats. Innings-wise, he’s actually pitched more in the second half, replacing his first-half 5.92 ERA and 1.849 WHIP with 1.42 and 0.829 marks, respectively.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
by gbaked on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
oops
here is the link:
http://jaysjournal.com/2011/09/28/figuring-out-frank-francisco/
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
Dont Forget
That come deadline time, these names will be attractive for teams looking to bulster their pens. I think these guys can help the Mets in 2012, but if they arent helping us into the playoffs, they can help someone else for some prospects.
by SantonioBurress on Dec 6, 2011 10:34 PM EST reply actions
In case no one put the pieces together....
this was thrown by our new closer a few years back.

Hold on tight everyone!!
by bjk3047 on Dec 6, 2011 10:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's one step up from punching his father in law
Just saying. 2012 Mets: Baby Steps
by Criss Angel Couldn't Make Frenchy Vanish on Dec 6, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
oh, absolutely!
I think his contract actually has a clause rewarding him for every Philthy fan he maims.
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Really good kid.A very good player.Not a superstar. #BlameWilponz. Never Forget
by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 7, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
if by crying you mean
fap,fap,fap,fap,fap,fap
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
by astromets on Dec 7, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A little more than I would have liked, but I'm not gonna complain
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 6, 2011 10:45 PM EST reply actions
They fixed the bullpen
Now, just fix the ownership.
SELL THE METS
by piazza62 on Dec 6, 2011 10:46 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
The bullpen looks pretty solid now
If we somehow net Buehrle, this team doesn’t look too bad, although I’d love to see another impact bat added. Guess thats not likely in the constraints of our budget though.
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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 10:48 PM EST reply actions
oh well, probably couldnt afford him this year anyway
Always liked buehrle though. Very underrated over the years
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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Sign Manny!
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 6, 2011 10:49 PM EST reply actions
Reply fail
That was for KM above me.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 6, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
no way man, with all those fertility drugs he's taking, he could get pregnant any time
and MLB doesn’t have a great maternity leave policy for its players
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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Jason Bay can help him through it, at least
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 6, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
It was an everything fail
I like the condo, thank you very much.
by TheBigStapler on Dec 6, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Pitching, Pitching, Pitching
It’s how you win. Sandy gets it. These seem like good moves.
Now hopefully the young arms we are stockpiling will pan out too.
by millsy on Dec 6, 2011 10:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
still unhappy
keeping score this offseason…
subtract one elite player
add 3 extra OK players
Hoping the Wilpons become the Will-pawns
So every single thing that the Mets do from now until 2086
will refer to Reyes..can’t wait!!
SELL THE METS
wow
did I hit a nerve?
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by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't get what you could possibly be accomplished
By harping and harping on something that is over and done with. Jose Reyes will not be a Met. Let it sink in, grind at you, whatever, but move on.
SELL THE METS
although I'll miss Jose
It’s not so much losing him – the thing that REALLY grinds at me will continue to grind at me until the Wilpons sell.
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by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and
I am getting even more impressed by Sandy making due with very little.
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by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, same
I didn’t mean to come off hostile, I guess I’m just still coping with this. I hope Selig comes to his senses and forces the Wilpons out, never to return.
Then, we can Sandy can pull a Rickey Henderson and trade for Jose when the Fish still suck.
SELL THE METS
by piazza62 on Dec 6, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you cant easily replace a superstar
but you can add pieces that in sum equal the value of a superstar… Downgrade at SS, upgrade elsewhere, lets see how it all balances out That said, I miss Jose.
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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
understand
just pointing out our offseason scoreboard of moves this far
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by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
and yes
I miss Jose
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by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
if elite:extra ratio is so important
why isn’t it on the scoreboard?
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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
oy
what have I started ???
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by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
if
we can just make up some equations for this, or a hilarious .gif
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by exbrooklynite on Dec 6, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Burkhardt keeps talking about 21 games lost after the 7th inning
which was supposedly worst in mlb. The Mets must be spinning – if we can cut that in half we’re in the 2nd wild card hunt. Gotta love the hot-stove!
by cpins on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We still have a money left to spend
Our payroll just went up by about $10MM tonight (after ditching Pagan’s $5MM). So that leaves us another $10MM or so to spend on bench players, minor league deals, and, god willing, another starter.
I'm hoping we post for Nakajima now.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 6, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
That's an interesting idea
Do you think he’ll be a significant upgrade over Tejada? More pop, for sure, but will his OBP translate to MLB?
by TheBigStapler on Dec 6, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not bully on Tejada at all
So, yes.
Nakajima can probably give you Jimmy Rollins numbers- .280/.340/.400 or something to that effect. Do we think Tejada can do that?
Nakajima’s defense is the bigger variable.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 7, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I've got a sinking feeling
the real payroll is coming in at $95m . . . hope i’m wrong.
Too bad we're not playing scrabble
Sandy would have to get bonus points in the name game. RAM RAM AND FRAN FRAN in the same night?
Won't be the first time in his career...
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 7, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
well
at least we will have a better bullpen, last season’s was awefull
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Something to consider for those who aren’t sure what to make of all these bullpen moves in light of Jose Reyes leaving..
The Mets would have been in the World Series in 2006 with a better bullpen. You would have never had to see Carlos Beltran’s bat stay on his shoulders if it weren’t for one guy: Aaron Heilman.
The Mets lost a lot of games this year that their bullpen blew. It’s enough of a problem to have to worry about whether Mike Pelfrey is going to be average or terrible. Improving this bullpen was Sandy’s #1 priority and I’d say he already pretty much has done it cheaply and effectively.
Go Mets!
Mets wouldn't have been in the playoffs in 2006 if they didn't have a great team
And they had a wonderful bullpen in 2006. Blaming Heilman for his outing in Game 7 is as silly as blaming Beltran for his last at bat. The Mets bullpen was great.
That said, while it’s nice we have better names in the ‘pen, let’s remember that bullpen pitchers are an extremely fickle thing to predict. I hope they do well, but even if they are rock solid, it’s not going to make the Mets a winning team by itself.
But hey, Go Mets!
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by Rey-O on Dec 6, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this
can’t blame the ’pen for ’06. That said, you CAN blame the ’pen for ’08.
Time to update this: 2009 Did Not Happen. Neither did 2010. Or 2011. Sports suck.
you can blame 06-08
on Jim fucking Duquett’s Kazmir-Zambrano trade
by secret defense on Dec 7, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
I'm still trying to find out how that happened
I can understand buying low on Zambrano and making a project out of it…but did the Devil Rays just fleece the Mets or did Duquette go in there with that as his initial offer?
SELL THE METS
well, considering it was Andrew Friedman vs. Omar Minaya
it’s a pretty lopsided mismatch in general managing abilities.
by secret defense on Dec 7, 2011 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
It was Chuck Lamar
Lamar had a history of making outrageous demands for prospects, and so the Devil Rays rarely made any trades. His “hard bargain” approach worked with the Mets, though.
Zambrano wasn't even a prospect
Just a middling starter that Peterson thought he could “fix”.
SELL THE METS
by piazza62 on Dec 7, 2011 10:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
oof, my bad
that’s even more embarrassing.
by secret defense on Dec 7, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty neutral on these moves
But I like the bullpen moves if they’re just meant to be a bunch of lottery tickets to trade at the deadline if they excel.
Add a decent SP...
and I’ll be satisfied on how the $18mil they saved on Reyes is being used this year. Not mention the flexibility on how most of that $18mil gets spent over the next 5 years.
I’ve started to think of Reyes like an old girlfriend. I never liked her enough to make a long term commitment but she was hot and it makes me jealous to see her with someone else.
Now I want to make her sorry she left – watch me win while your new loser boyfriend implodes and treats you like crap.
Am I bitter?
Or Reyes was your soulmate
but here father (Wilpon) sent her off to Europe to be away from you.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
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if she was really your soulmate
you would go to Europe for her.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
Fine, she's you soul mate and here rich scumbag father marries here to some other rich scumbag.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
2012 Amazin' Avenue Offseason Plan: 2nd place
The Marlins aren't some rich scumbag; they're a homeless dude he forced her to marry just to spite you.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 6, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
a homeless guy wearing an ugly shirt no less
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
who's very clearly high on peyote

Time to update this: 2009 Did Not Happen. Neither did 2010. Or 2011. Sports suck.
by cjmulrain on Dec 7, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
aaaah marlins series are going to be fun
i dub this fear and loathing in south beach
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Dec 7, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
how about
fear and loathing of south beach instead, especially if they sign pujols
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
Well Loria fits the prince who is a horrible person stereotype.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
2012 Amazin' Avenue Offseason Plan: 2nd place
I'm good with these moves
It’s something different. Changing some faces, giving me a reason to watch. Even if Torres turns out to be the same as Pagan, he’s different. It will take me a few moments to go hey, that’s some new guy.
To that end, keep things changing. Keep me guessing. Move the fences in, change the uniforms, maybe release some hawks and let them fly around the stadium. In lieu of an actual reason to watch the team, just keep it interesting.
I love the Hawks idea
although wouldn’t they just fly away? I knew we should have gone with that retractable roof…
Time to update this: 2009 Did Not Happen. Neither did 2010. Or 2011. Sports suck.
Is Torres really
our new CF? Hard to believe that is why he is here.
jason Bay has played CF, maybe he's next in line!
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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
my god i hope thats not the case
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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
They could just move Bay to Shortstop
That way we can really zero in on one position. Or maybe SNY can avoid pointing the cameras there at all. No sight of reyes, and with any luck, no sight of Bay either.
by JJJ on Dec 6, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think sandy is just getting warmed up
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
by gbaked on Dec 6, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't it nice to have a GM who can juggle multiple balls?
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
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by blueandorange4life on Dec 6, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
hehe
juggle multiple balls
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
yeah im just refreshing MLBTR constantly waiting for the next news to pop up
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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
You know what would be crazy, guys?
If we made the playoffs. I would die, it would be so hilarious. Not to mention awesome.
by Criss Angel Couldn't Make Frenchy Vanish on Dec 6, 2011 11:47 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
that would be fanglorious
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by KeithsMoustache on Dec 6, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's baseball
Anything can happen.
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methane
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by Help!I'maRock! on Dec 7, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
this is the brilliance of my answer
it only requires Shake Shack and/or Taqueria.
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by Help!I'maRock! on Dec 7, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
It's the uniform that winzzzz!
….is that Al Weis ?
Hoping the Wilpons become the Will-pawns
by exbrooklynite on Dec 7, 2011 5:21 AM EST up reply actions
Well, at least we'll be able to protect all those leads we won't be having.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 6, 2011 11:54 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Fine, I'll be positive.
Sandy’s more than capable of handling multiple deals at once; I can’t remember the Mets ever making this many moves in one day, let alone an hour.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 7, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps they're busy working on a greyhound tuxedo?
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 7, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Idiot Yakee fan
on WFAN criticzing deals and Sandy. Don’t we have enough idiots of our own?
I think there are enough idiots on WFAN to fill every major NY sports arena
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 7, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
revisionist history
they lost steam in late August. it was painful to watch. 162 was simply the inevitable, horrific conclusion.
"No curses, only incompetent ownership" - Russ
by Help!I'maRock! on Dec 7, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
something posessed me to start posting on MetsBlog
if only for the lulz.
man, there’s a lot of stupid people on MetsBlog. i suspect these are the same people who call in to WFAN.
"No curses, only incompetent ownership" - Russ
by Help!I'maRock! on Dec 7, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
i can't find the time to listen to him in the first place
"No curses, only incompetent ownership" - Russ
by Help!I'maRock! on Dec 7, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
or have him turn it into a conversation about how el capitain would have done
WITH CLASS …LIKE A TRUE YANKEE!!!!!!!!
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Idiot WFAN callers are the new market inefficiency
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Well then, I'm glad we've apparently cornered the market on them.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 7, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Kazmir?
Looks like for some fans everything that goes wrong in the future will be because of not signing Reyes. Just like the Kazmir trade was the ruination of the team – until he started to suck.
difference being
of course, that Kazmir’s best seasons coincided with a 3-year run where the Mets had the best overall record in the NL, but fell juuuuuust short all 3 years. Kazmir could have pushed them over the top.
Time to update this: 2009 Did Not Happen. Neither did 2010. Or 2011. Sports suck.
or led to a whole butterfly effect of different events
which could have us still being led by the blind, aka Omar, which would likely mean further into a hole
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
I'd glady, GLADLY
take another decade of Omar as GM if the Mets had won the World Series in ‘06 and made the playoffs again in ’07 and ’08, preventing the rise of the Phillies. You think Philly fans care at all that Ruben Amaro is ultimately a bad GM who’s gonna hamstring them for the next decade after the run they’ve had?
Time to update this: 2009 Did Not Happen. Neither did 2010. Or 2011. Sports suck.
my point was
that if we had Kazmir, then we wouldn’t have made the same moves we did, and might not have been as good. There is now way we can say that Scott Kazmir would’ve won us the 06 WS
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
but if we weren't as good
then it stands to reason that Omar would be gone by now anyway.
Time to update this: 2009 Did Not Happen. Neither did 2010. Or 2011. Sports suck.
not really
considering the shit storm it took for him to finally get fired
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
I've fully embraced the new small market Mets...
BP is subpar, sign two relievers and trade for another while slashing some salary.
Rational decision making and the ability to make multiple moves in a night.
No money, no problem.
Fresh faces should at least make things interesting.
I typed your symptoms into this thing up here and it says you could have network connectivity problems.
things were that way last year. awful but interesting.
hopefully some of the kids we saw last season have staying power cause we’re gonna need all the help we can get.
everyone….adopt black cats.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
I can see us getting some CF help

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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
by Russ on Dec 7, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
$6M for Frankie...uhm
well, a lot of you guys wanted him so here he is.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
I'll say it
Rauch pretty much blows. We could have called up Jose De La Torre or any decent minor league arm and got better production for 3 million less, and spent that elsewhere.

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