The Mets Are Almost Insolvent. Can Sandy Save the Wilpons?
Last year, FanGraphs named the Mets the 18th "best" team when it came to their financial outlook. I and many others made fun of FanGraphs for this seemingly impossible mistake -- how could a team in New York be that bad off?
But I was wrong. FanGraphs may have been wrong, too: the Mets probably were much much worse than 18th. Other than the bankrupt Dodgers and the basically bankrupt Astros, it's hard to see a team which is worse off financially. After the jump, I detail -- given what limited data we know and/or can speculate about (backed up with lots of links) -- how bad it may in fact be. Can Sandy save the day?
Finances
Before the 2011 season, Forbes estimated that the Mets needed to make $30 million in operational profit in order to meet their debt obligations. A few weeks after the Forbes article hit, we found out about a loan of last resort from MLB -- $25 million -- so the problem was probably worse. But either way, the team did not have enough revenue to meet their needs. If anything, the Mets may have had an operational loss as much as $70 million, again according to Forbes, and alluded to by Sandy Alderson during the Jose Reyes press conference.
To stem this off, the Mets have gotten permission from MLB to take on even more debt -- $140 million of it. That $140 million is really a much higher number, as the team is hoping to bring in up to 10 limited partners at $20 million a piece. While the deal is structured as a purchase of equity (and therefore, it's not debt), investors are given a safety net -- after six years, they can cash out their equity stake with interest, 3% compounded annually. And with the Mets' enterprise value potentially declining, this safety net could be triggered by many of the investors. (We do not know what happens if more than seven want to exercise this right, or if the right is given to more than seven of the investors.)
What will the Mets do with this $200 million? Some of that will go to pay back the emergency loan from MLB -- the team hasn't paid that back yet. We can also assume that about $50 million will go toward covering losses from 2011. That leaves $70 to $130 million left over. Given that Mark Einhorn was looking at a $200 million investment as well, I'm going with the $130 million number.
Going forward, the Mets debt obligations are probably close to the same as they were entering the 2011 season, minus the $25 million owed MLB. So if Forbes was correct then, the Mets again probably have to do $30 in operational profit in order to break even. That's not very likely given that the team probably ran operational losses to the tune of $10-20 million last year. And to make matters worse, the 2012 Mets are going to suck, won't have Reyes to buoy revenue, is cutting ticket prices, and ... you get the picture. On the other hand, the team's payroll is going to be about $20-$30 million less than last year. I estimate that the Mets are going to be about $10-20 million in the red in both 2012 and 2013.
Without a positive cash flow, the Mets need to have some sort of cash reserves, as they have debt service to worry about. The good news about debt is that if you survive long enough, it goes away, as your debt service includes paying down some of the principal. So if the Mets can survive for a few years, getting to break-even is actually reasonable. Setting aside $100 million of the $200 million raised sounds about right -- this gives the Mets six years (note that -- six years -- it's important) to get to break-even or better, including debt service. The rest of the haul -- at this point, $25 million or less -- can be used in a bunch of different ways, but assume that some of it will be put toward paying down the principal that the team owes, and little to none of it will be used to sign free agents.
(A quick aside: I think Reyes was the potential exception, as he can drive revenues.)
But getting to break-even in six years isn't good enough, because six years from now, the Mets have a different, potentially fatal problem. The investors who they are signing up today can ask for their money back -- with interest, totaling nearly $250 million. (This assumes that all $200 million can be treated as debt.) That will happen if the team's enterprise value isn't much higher than it is today, and if the Mets aren't running a profit by then, the enterprise value will similarly suffer. The solution: the Wilpons probably sell the team, or, at least, sell a much larger stake in it perhaps with worse terms.
In the short term, the Mets are functionally insolvent. They're running a serious loss and have cash flow problems, too -- all while drowning under massive debt. When the Dodgers and Rangers had similar problems, Bud Selig forced their sale. When the Mets had the same problem, MLB floated them an emergency loan, pushed for Sandy Alderson to be the new GM (perhaps even forcing the issue), allowed them to take on more debt, and let the emergency loan ride a few months longer.
It sounds a lot like Bud Selig believes that Alderson can save the Wilpons. To do so, Alderson has to work some magic. With very little room for error, he needs to build a team which is respectable on the field but light on the payroll. If he can't, the Wilpons are doomed. Here's how he's doing it -- and what we, as fans, can expect in the future.
The Sandy Plan to Fiscal Bliss
A lot of this is going to be speculation, obviously, but that's what fans do.
We can rest assured, sadly, that 2012-2013 are going to suck, with Johan, Bay, and Wright collectively owed over $50 million in each of the two seasons. Johan's 2014 option won't vest, but what about Jason Bay's? There are two ways to prevent that from happening: trade Bay or bench/release him. The former is hard to do because he's owed so much money; the latter is hard to do because the union would almost certainly file a grievance. So the Mets are spending $1 million or so to make it easier -- they're moving in the fences.
Yes, this is overly conspiratorial on my behalf, but there are few other explanations (especially when you factor in David Wright's struggles). A company choking from lack of cash decides to renovate the kitchen? Nonsense. The Mets see the fence change as an investment, and the most likely vehicles for that investment are Bay and Wright. It would make no sense to trade Bay now, before you see if the investment in the fence yields dividends -- as you'd just be taking back similarly bad contracts.
And really, the fence change almost guaranteed to help the problem. If Bay rebounds to meet his worth, the team can trade him, along with a handsome pile of bills probably, but he's at least marketable. If Bay continues to struggle, benching him or releasing him is easy to justify.
So let's fast forward to the pre-2014 off-season. Bay and Santana are off the books, as is Mike Pelfrey, but a good amount of that is going to be eaten up by the ten or so arbitration-eligibles we have out there. There won't be too many holes to fill, as the Mejia/Familia/Harvey/Wheeler generation should be able to pick up for Santana, Pelf, and perhaps RA Dickey, while Duda/Kirk/F-Mart (??) may be our outfield. Or whatever, there's room -- if Wright doesn't come back.
With Wright's defense going from above average to disastrous and his bat not where it was in 2008 and prior, his value is certainly questionable going forward. If he were a free agent today, he'd still probably fetch a contract similar to Reyes' -- maybe a $1m less a year and maybe only for 5 years, but $85m over five seems about right.
And the fences will make or break that. If Wright thrives, do the Mets trade him? If he struggles, do the Mets just let him go? Again, the team, financially, isn't in the position to make a long-term mistake here, but this one is more questionable -- can the team afford to trade Wright if it hopes to maintain its current revenue stream? I have no answers and can see either happening. But certainly, moving in the fences is in part designed to see if Wright will find a spark.
As I argued a few days ago, though, I think Wright is a goner. In 2013, his seasonal age will be 30 -- which means a $85/5 contract pays him at least $17 million to be a bad defensive third baseman at age 35. If his offensive production doesn't rebound from the fence move, there's no way you can do that. And if it does, maybe his price goes up? I really don't know.
But more to the point: I don't think Alderson is thinking about being all that competitive in 2014. The next year seems more likely. Why?
1) The only player who is arb eligible in 2014 and not under team control in 2015 is Manny Acosta. Basically, the same core group will be intact.
2) The value and role of the four Young Guns 2.0, Captain Kirk, Reese Havens and potentially others will be established. All six of those players will be 0-3s or Arb 1s, so if they're able to contribute fully, the budget will be in a good place.
3) Any prospects acquired over the next year or two may be able to further contribute.
This last point is especially important because of yesterday's acquisitions. Both Ramon Ramirez and Jon Rauch are free agents after 2012, and given the interest in Izzy and Brydak at this past year's deadline, both of them will likely be sought-after come July. Rinse repeat on Torres and Frank Francisco in 2013. And yeah, David Wright too.
It makes a lot of sense. The Mets cut costs for three years, hoping to get their debt service under control, while simultaneously setting the stage for a team comprised mostly of cost-controlled, above-average players. In 2015 -- a year after David Wright hits free agency, unfortunately -- the team can sprinkle in free agents and trade targets to fill out a solid roster able to compete with the aging Phillies, the who-knows Marlins, the typically-good Braves, and the Strasburg Nationals. Good things can happen and the Mets can finally make money again.
Back to Finances
Three years of being hyper-cost conscious is going to suck, of course -- with or without Wright. But it really has to be three years -- not two -- because the Mets financial situation is too weak to risk failure. And failure has a simple definition: not making the playoffs at least once by 2017. If they don't make it back to October by then, the enterprise value will continue to fall; revenue will as well; and ...
You know how the team is selling $200 million of equity?
If the Mets aren't making money by the end of 2017, that equity isn't going to be worth what investors paid for it. Instead, they'll want their $200 million back -- plus that 3% interest. That's $250 million of additional debt the Mets will have on the books, and, oh yea, the Wilpon's ability to raise more money will be seriously limited by the depressed franchise value and the disastrous decade (decade!) the Mets had just gone through.
In order to avoid that fate, Alderson needs to do two things, simultaneously, which in many cases are in conflict:
1) Cut payroll and
2) Build a winner.
If he can't, the Wipons are doomed to sell the team -- not now, but six years from now. That's their timetable, and they know it. For us fans, it's a terrible fate, because there is no short, easy, nor guaranteed way to get there. But for the worst of all reasons, we should be rooting for the Wilpons here.
Because if Sandy can't save them, it's going to be a long, long decade for us Mets fans.
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I'm going to wager a guess and say
that if the Wilpons financial situation is still affecting baseball operations past Selig’s tenure, they will be gone. I don’t think Alderson is planning to field his first contender in his last year.
SELL THE METS
I disagree.
Alderson is there to clean up the place, not to win. And I don’t think the next commish will immediately be able to nuke owners. Took Selig a long time to do that.
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How do you clean up the place without setting up the opportunity to win?
Losing = no revenue = bad financial standing regardless of Madoff
SELL THE METS
I agree but
They have six years, not two, to fix it.
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I'm in
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
the next commish can do whatever he wants
he just has to have the will to do it, unlike used car salesman.
The commish can only do what he wants if the owners let him
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That's not entirely true
He does have the “best interests of baseball” clause.
by TheBigStapler on Dec 9, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Too expensive
Bomb shelter turned into a luxury suite under the right field fence.
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The other distinct possibility
is if Judge Rakoff’s ruling is reversed and the Wilpons are again exposed to much more significant losses from the Madoff clawback suit, then they might be forced to bite the bullet and sell the team.
by dontstopbelieving on Dec 7, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions
Probably
But note that I never mentioned Madoff. The Mets are in bad fiscal shape because they relied on Madoff to keep their cashflow positive even in spite of increasing debt. If they get hit w/a clawback, they probably have to sell something, but that something is more likely SNY (which has more liquidation value).
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This, almost exactly
Thank you for putting into words what I’ve been trying to formulate in my mind, DanDot. You get a well-earned rec. This is basically the exact scenario facing the Mets, and the best plan is sign, trade, repeat until we get to a point where our minor-league system is top 5 in baseball and we’re ready to start graduating guys to the big team.
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Wonder if the Mets will hold back promoting the":Four Horsemen"(Wheeler,Harvey etc.) in order to
save a year towards arbitration.Could save as much as $25 million? by screwing these guys.
by Putnan Prince on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I must be missing something
but if Sandy’s “money quote” of a $70m operational loss is on the mark then I don’t see how the Wilpons last 6 years. The $70m theoretically becomes $30m with payroll cuts but barring a miracle ticket revenue will certainly be down – possibly by 200k which probably = $15m.
And as dontstop notes the trial/settlement of the case is another wildcard that could force a sale. If they sell their share of SNY it’s because all hell has broken loose on the trial front. Would they really sell SNY to finance a still hemoraging ballclub? I think it’s an open question because their post-trial financial reality will be unlike anything Jeff has ever known and takes Fred back to the 70’s.
Alderson's quote
Was $70m, but it wasn’t $70m in 2011. It may have been over two years. And it may have included the $25m loan from MLB, which it probably shouldn’t have.
In any event, I’m working off $50m based on what I’ve read elsewhere, and I think that number makes sense given the amount of equity the team is selling.
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If correct then a $40m payroll cut ...
… means they’re only bleeding $10m this season before decreased revenue/ticket sales. That’s a manageable number. Of course Niese, Parnell & Murphy will all have 3 years of service time logged 12 months from now.
You're not factoring in how many Jon Rauch jerseys the Mets are planning to sell this year
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by Rey-O on Dec 7, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
My dentist's last name is Rausch
But I think he’s a Yankees fan.
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 11, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
One other distinct possibility
The last year or so has basically been a string of revelations about the Mets’ sorry financial situation, from the debt, to Madoff, to the Einhorn collapse, to their failure to find minority owners now, etc. At some point, notwithstanding their personal friendship, Selig could lean on Fred to get him to sell the team. One could even argue that (1) the money he has floated them, and (2) his dealings with the Rangers and Dodgers have positioned him very well to do that, since he can say, “Look Fred, I gave you every chance in the world, but in the end, I have to be fair.” Far be it from me to presume that Selig will do the right thing here, but we know that he cares about his legacy, and I just can’t see him wanted one piece of it to be the ruin of one of New York’s two franchises. Not saying this would happen overnight, but perhaps if there is some new inflection point that forces the issue, something could happen.
by dontstopbelieving on Dec 7, 2011 5:11 PM EST reply actions
Selig has a vested interest in the Wilpon's succeeding
That’s my big concern honestly. I don’t think he’s impartial here — he helped create the Mets problem by allowing them to take on a ton of debt in the first place, without wondering how they’d ever cover it.
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Good point
That’s why I think for this to happen, there has to be some intervening event that would negatively impact the Wilpons’ ability to keep this shell game going – maybe a development in the Madoff suit, maybe some previously undisclosed liability, maybe the Mets’ potential inability to make payroll like the Dodgers – basically, something that would give Selig the political cover to say “no more” or “I gave them the loans assuming X, but now it’s clear that Y.”
by dontstopbelieving on Dec 7, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Complete inability to sell the minority shares
might also fit this description since my understanding is that that was one of the premises under which Selig gave Wilpon the loan(s).
by dontstopbelieving on Dec 7, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, and that's likely to happen...
… in six years. Ugh.
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Well
The Times article you linked to indicates that they’re having a hard time selling the minority shares. Notwithstanding the supposedly “strong buyer commitments for as many as seven of the shares,” which strikes me as someone trying to put the most positive possible spin on a bad situation, in light of what happened with Einhorn, until they have signatures, I’m skeptical. After all, notwithstanding the promise of an out with 3 percent annual interest for the investors, if I’m a buyer, am I really expecting to see that money when and if I decide to pull out? If the situation is bad enough (i.e. the team is still losing money) such that I want my money back, where exactly is the team getting the money to pay my interest? And am I really comfortable investing a substantial sum of money in a horribly managed entity that is currently hemmorhaging cash – when I’ll have virtually no control over how my money is used?
Maybe I’m being overly optimistic, but I think there’s a chance this all blows up in a much shorter time when and if they’re not able to sell all 10 shares.
by dontstopbelieving on Dec 7, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
3% return "guaranteed" is pretty good in this environment
for what is essentially a luxury novelty good. If they were gonna buy, they woulda bought already.
Once they get a look at the books, these guys probably have their hair stand on end and say “fuck this, I’ll just buy another Klimt or a medieval castle.”
If Selig
does leave after 2012, he’s not going to worry about what happens to the Wilpons Mets after that.
He’s only concerned about them not going under during his tenure. And he’s banking on the majority not being smart enough to put together what you did for us here.
Conclusion is if/when the Wilpons are forced to sell, it will be long after Selig is gone and in his mind, no one will connect the dots back to him. On the Wilpons side, they’ll take a flotation device from anyone who is willing to throw it – be it Selig or the next commish.
Sucks being a Met fan right about now.
by MetsFan4Decades on Dec 7, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Although the next commish
may be far less willing to provide said flotation device, since Selig is supposedly doing it based on his friendship with the Wilpons, which the next commish may not have.
by dontstopbelieving on Dec 7, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think any of this is correct
I trust Selig less than I trust Wilpon if that is possible.
by Endys Game on Dec 8, 2011 5:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so Basically the Wilpon's are relying on the hail mary
Of the Mets over acheiving and making the playoffs. Generating buzz and revenue. But they plan on doing this while cutting costs and trading or letting their best assets leave.
Dan dot - question about Einhorn
Is your take consistent with the idea that the Wilpons realized they would likely have to cede control given the terms that were initially floated? If so that suggests they realize there may not be a way out but didn’t want to put a date certain in writing w/Einhorn.
Consistent, yes
Assumed, no. But it makes sense.
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Okay, so just to check if I get this:
By backing out of the Einhorn deal, acquiring smaller investors, and letting Reyes walk, they basically push off the possibility of an Einhorn-type deal 6 years into the future.
Correct or an I being way to simplistic?
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Kind of.
Let’s say the Mets current valuation is $800m, and the $200m limited partner stakes are collectively worth 25%. At the end of the six year period, the valuation stays roughly the same — to make it easy, say it falls to $750m. The investors are likely to cash out at $250m (that is, treat the investment as a loan, not as an equity stake).
If that happens, the Mets are basically out of cash and suddenly have to come up with $250m. They can’t take on any more debt because their lines of credit are tapped out or close to it where $25m or even $100m isn’t going to cut it.
So the only solution is to sell equity. But to get $250m from a $750m asset, you need to give up a third, not 20% — and let’s face it, that’d be a bad investment given the current state of management fast forwarded six years. So I’m betting that if that were to pass, the Wilpons would have to give up control.
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What about SNY?
Sterling may be netting more from SNY than they are losing from the Mets.
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It's already accounted for according to
the Forbes article cited:
The Mets will have $52 million in PILOT payments to cover the debt service on Citi Field. The franchise will have $25 million in interest payments from debt tied to the team. And profits from their 68% ownership in SportsNet New York will be around $47 million. So after netting out the SNY profits the Mets will still have $30 million ($77 million minus $47 million) in debt obligations.
Yep, and:
SNY isn’t nearly as valuable when decoupled from the Mets.
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Only until the existing contract expires
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the SNY stake is still the key piece of the puzzle
and will allow the wilpons to hold on to the mets.
all mets “operational losses” have to be assessed in conjunction to SNY profits for them to have any real meaning. the SNY profits are fairly constant and high. the mets operational budget fluctuates. they may have lost a bunch of money now but all they have to do is control some expenses (easier said then done, i know, but the payroll slashes will help a lot) and they will be able to leverage the SNY cash flow to cover just about anything.
thats why they need the $200m outside “investment”. its just a bridge loan dressed up as equity.
so i dont think think wilpons are without worries or dont have a tough road ahead of them (and kudos to dan for all the exhaustive links and research), but as long as they are on good terms with selig and dont let the SNY stake slip from their grasp (and the einhorn deal should show that they won’t), i think we will see the wilpons in charge for the foreseeable future, as much as we may want them to sell.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
I think you're overstating SNY's value
First off, we don’t know how leveraged the Wilpon’s position in SNY is. We know that at least $50m of it was financed (see http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/03/18/new.york.mets.bernie.madoff.ap/index.html) and given their overall debt posture, can assume it was a lot more.
Second, there’s no reason to believe that SNY is making a lot of money. Outside of Mets games, the programming is suspect at best, and during Mets games, they ran a LOT of PSAs. (How many times did we see the anti-smoking ads?) The addition of UConn basketball (and the Big East generally) will help, but the cost there is significant, and it’s probably not break-even for 3-5 years.
Next, the Wilpons don’t own SNY outright. They own 65%, Time Warner Cable owns 27%, and NBCUniversal (now/soon Comcast) owns 8%. This is important for two reasons: 1) TWC probably has a sweetheart deal on carriage of the Mets broadcasts (as will Comcast, if relevant); 2) Cablevision doesn’t, and given the UConn deal, would probably love to own a stake in SNY, but; 3) TWC/NBCU can block minority stake sales in SNY, as they threatened to do in March. And really, who other than Cablevision wants to be the minority shareholder of a Mets-driven cable TV show?
Similarly, decoupling the Wilpons/Mets from SNY is bad for SNY — and the other investors know it. There’s no way TWC is going to take the Wilpons’ stake of SNY because then the Mets can put the TV contract out to bid, effectively ending SNY’s value.
The value of SNY, then, is in a Mets sale — it gives the new owner something else to buy and gives the Wilpons some cash on the way out (instead of just an outright assumption of liabilities).
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i dunno, i look at the dodgers mess as a comp
fox sports and mccourt/now bankruptcy judge are all fighting over the media rights. its been reported that its worth $100m/year in a fair market. so if you own both the cable company and the mets, as the wilpons do, thats a lot of cash flow you can use as collateral, and a lot of operating income you can make disappear so you can claim to be operational poor, while still making a profit with the cable company that doesnt get reported in the news.
sny’s value is tied to the mets, thats clear. you could sell one without the other, and plenty of teams dont own their own cable company, and sny’s value at that point would be almost totally dependent on the remaining contract with the mets. thats exactly why the media partners that are co-owners of sny will definitely want the wilpons to keep both the mets and sny. theyre getting the sweetheart deal of the whole operation, while the mets employees are getting the shaft and no one wants to buts equity stakes in just the team. thats also why they dont want the wilpons to sell stakes in sny to others.
but anyway, thats just my theory. and no matter how valuable sny is there reaches a point where you run out of money and credit.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
So basically.....
if we want to get rid of the Wilpons once and for all, don’t go to games, don’t buy their merchandise, and just watch on TV.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
That's what I do . . .
but I live in DC. So if 2 million Mets fans moved to DC . . .
it might this time
owners usually don’t have billion dollar lawsuits and new ballparks to pay for all at once.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
Has a significant portion of a fan base ever actually done it, ever?
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Not really
And I think we’d only shoot ourselves in the foot, as I said in another post. Fans not going to games will create more financial problems for the Wilpons, but as long as Selig is in charge it seems they will stay the owners. So that will mean we will just have less and less money to work with every offseason, resulting in more of our favorite players going elsewhere, not because of baseball decisions, but because of financial constraints. It would only get much, much worse before it ever got better.
Actually the Wilpons Make a Lot of $$ From TV
They own SNY and that is one of the few cash cows they currently have.
You can get 5 tickets for $50 right now with their Holiday pack
That’s less than a college hockey game!
I dont see six years
Selig is not expected to go beyond 2012 at this current time so in theory the potential new commissioner after the 2012 might force the issue if the team’s financial mess is still out of order.
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Two thoughts about the new Commissioner
1) He gets selected by the owners who might write a “you don’t get to tell us when we have to sell” clause into his new contract/baseball rules.
2) He could well be Sandy Alderson . . . not sure which way that would cut.
Other SB Nation blogs, specially the Padres/Athletics blogs that know Alderson well, were convinced Sandy would be the next commish.
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I think Omar is the next commissioner
He will say Alderson lobby for his job and then turn ownership over to Mr. Met.
SELL THE METS
by piazza62 on Dec 8, 2011 8:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I lobby Mr Met as next Mets owner
He has a great baseball mind
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by blains2000 on Dec 8, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The Next Commish
Will be a figurehead, but the Owners will want a grown-up, so the Commish will have a COO, THAT man may very well be Sandy— and the first thing he does is enforce limited debt rules. Wilpon debt has killed the NL franchise in NYC, baseball cannot have that happen again.
I want the new Mets owner now, not 3 years from now!
by secret defense on Dec 8, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I lobby this!
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I'm willing to bet good money
that it will be Torre
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 8, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
That's why I hope his group become the owners of the Dodgers.
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Torre would be just as bad
He would also find away for Wilpon to keep the team
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This Is A Good Analysis But It Doesn't Focus Enough on Potential of the Farm
For the most part, player development is a much cheaper and more effective way to build a team. It is something the Mets have sorely lacked since the 1980s and why they have been so reliant on high priced free agents and older vets thru trades. Do you realize the Mets have not developed a elite starting pitcher since Dwight Gooden? That’s embarassing for a team with this kind of resources.
With the exception of first round picks, minor leaguers get small bonuses and salaries. And since many successful MLBers aren’t first round picks (Piazza 62nd Round, Dykstra 11th round, etc) this is an extremely cost effective way to build a team.
Another thing is if you build a good, deep farm system (Alderson has a strong track record of doing so), things can turn very quickly. The As flipped from also ran to WS contender in 2 yrs when Hudson, Zito and Mulder came up. The 1980s Mets started to see their farm system produce players in 1983 and by 1984 they were contenders. The Braves produced Glavine, Justice, Stever Avery, etc in 1989 -1990 and were in the WS by 1991. You can also look at the Twins, Brewers, Phillies, Marlins as more recent examples.
If the Mets want to control costs and be contenders, the formula is pretty simple – build a good player development system and reap the rewards.
it's much harder to build a better farm now with the new CBA
you basically have to be better at scouting than everyone else or trade away useful major league players for prospects.
by secret defense on Dec 8, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
A Few Thoughts
1. It has always been hard to build a good farm system – having a crappy record and getting high draft picks has never been enough. If that had been true teams like the Pirates and Royals would have been teeming with high quality, cheap young players for yrs which they haven’t been for most of the last 15 yrs.
2. What is being instituted internationally is not much different to the US draft which was instituted in the mid-1960s. The idea is to advantage teams with poor records. Teams that had good player development programs in those days (Dodgers, Orioles, Pirates, etc) adjusted just fine. And other teams with poor records but strong scouting (the Mets and Royals being two) took advantage of the new system.
3. Better scouting and analysis has ALWAYS been the key to building a strong farm system. The inability to throw lots of money around Latin America may hurt big market teams some but it is not as though the $$ the Mets have thrown around in that market has helped them for the most part (Fernando Martinez being the best example of money pissed away).
SO yeah, the Mets need to develop superior scouting and analysis to take advantage of the new system. I always assumed that was part of the plan and would hope that Alderson and crew are moving down that road. I guarantee you that teams who have been successful at player development like the Twins, Braves, Red Sox, Yankees, As, etc will figure out how to adapt to this new world. There is no reason the Mets can’t too. And if they can’t expect lots more of the boom and bust of the last 20 yrs b/c that is what relying on free agency gets you for the most part.
I agree but...
… that’s along, long, long-term process. And the Mets only have about three years to recover financially.
Gooden was exceptional even in the context of true stars. He made his debut at 19 and won a Cy at 20. Clayton Kershaw made his debut at 20 and won a Cy at 23. Tim Lincecum debuted at 23 and won a Cy at 24.
If the Mets take a guy like Gooden in this year’s draft — Gooden was seasonal age 17 when drafted — you’re looking at that guy being 20 years old in 2014, which is younger than Zach Wheeler was last year (21).
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I have some doubts
The debt levels are high no doubt, but some of the numbers coming from Forbes don’t quite add up to me. At least they aren’t being presented consistently. In one post, I think Mike Ozanian wrongly claimed a negative $225M book value:
A couple of people pointed out in the comments he appeared to be double counting the debt, and he did admit that:
Technically, the stadium debt should not be deducted from "book value" because it is not on the team’s balance sheet.
But he still didn’t seem to grasp how wrong it was to count the liability without counting the asset. If you want to treat it as on balance sheet, you need to add both. That isn’t going to change the book value (which would remain $695M higher than he calculated); what investors should be concerned about would be the resulting debt to asset ratio.
He also says:
To derive the revenue for the $845 mil. value I subtracted this year’s $40 million stadium debt service payment from this year’s estimated revenue (This is money the team never sees as it is contractually obligated to go towards financing the bonds and comes from tickets, suites, etc). The stadium debt I deducted from the $845 mil. valuation represents outstanding future obligations.
OK, note that he saying that the PILOT payment is deducted right off the top from the revenues. This is consistent with the footnote on the Forbes revenue estimates “Net of stadium revenues used for debt payments.”
But even with that Forbes has a $268M revenue number for 2010, and $233M for 2011. Add back those dedicated revenues, and you would have had over $300M in revenues for 2010, and $275M for 2011.
Is he using the higher revenue number to calculate operating earnings? If so, I’m wondering what operating expenses they could possibly have offsetting such a large amount. They obviously haven’t been spending it on the farm.
If he’s using the lower number, as I suspect, then it doesn’t make sense to say the PILOT payments have to be made out of operating earnings, or using profits from SNY. They have already been paid at that point with those dedicated revenues.
I think the team likely does need that $25M in operating earnings just to pay the interest on the $450M team debt. And they may well have been a full $70M short of that this year. But I think the SNY profits (67% of them anyway) are likely going straight into the Wilpons pockets. In the short run, that may mean they are paying legal costs, rather than being reinvested in the team. In the long run though, I think Scott Boras is probably more correct about the Mets financial situation:
“It’s really a fail-safe for success"
by acerimusdux on Dec 9, 2011 6:31 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
How About Some Ideas to Help The Wilpons?
I mean, think of their situation. Betrayed by a friend. Accused of being crooks in court, and claiming to be dupes. Their real estate investments in the tank. Millions of fans wishing the would go away.
Here is an idea for them to raise some money and show they have a sense of humor at the same time: merchandising.
A traditional Mets Jersey, the Dodger Blue and Giants Orange over white with pinstripes. On the back, in place of the player’s number, it would have “$0.” In place of the player name, it would have “Whoever.” And in place of Mets on the front, it would have “Madoff.”
A matching cap with “$0” in place of NY could also be offered.
Honestly
this makes me sick, and it makes me want to stop following the team. I’m not saying I’m going to — I most certainly will not stop following the team — but this sort of a no-hope-for-the-next-three-years outlook feels like a kick in the gut. I appreciate the breakdown, and I think it’s reasonable. And it’s all well and good to take a clear, rational view of the Mets’ fiscal situation, and to promote the cause of rational action, yada yada. The bottom line, though, is that I’m a fan, and I want to see the team win. And when they don’t win, it sucks. And when I’m all but certain they won’t win for a long, long time, I want to say “fuck it” and walk away. That’s a nasty feeling.
This is a great piece and really depressing
The only thing I take issue with is the difficulty of preventing Bay’s option from vesting.
If he performs the way he has over the past two seasons, the union has no chance at a grievance. (See: Cora, Alex) If he performs well, he could be traded to a contender that will use him in a role (bench bat) that won’t let the option vest. (See: Rodriguez, Francisco)
Sandy. . .
I have a lot of confidence in his ability, so far it seems to me that he is making the right moves to both cut costs and make the team a contender. He made good deals last winter, for the most part and he is making good deals this winter and the deals are still in the works.
I believe that Murphy and Parnell will be gone before spring training, bringing some new talent that might make a difference.
Let’s be patient and give him a break. . .

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