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Rule 5 Applesauce: Marlins Shopping Spree Continues, Mets Traiding Everyone

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Because the flurry of activity the other night wasn't enough, today seems likely to bring us even more to talk about here at AA as Sandy continues to fill out the roster post-Reyes. Last season the Rule 5 brought us Brad Emaus and Pedro Beato, one of whom actually beat the odds and stuck for the entire season. Later today we're expected to select another player or perhaps two to attempt to make the club. The Mets current 40 man roster stands at 39 (with the additions of Rauch and Francisco still to go), so in addition to needing to clear one space anyway they will have to remove a player from the 40 for every one they take.

Guys like Brad Holt, Jefrey Marte, and Juan Centeno seem to be in the most danger of being selected, while DJ Carrasco, Mike Baxter, Zach Lutz, Josh Satin, and Josh Stinson are probably in the most danger of being removed from the roster. There are certainly some interesting names floating around out there, the complete list of eligible players can be found here. We also have two more previews for you, the first from our own SB Nation Pirates site Bucs Dugout, and the second from MLB.com.

Scott Boras chimed in yesterday with some comments on the Mets not so free spending ways of late. It's hard to disagree with anything he has to say here, so hopefully some of his optimism on the outlook for the future is well placed. In other Boras news, newish client and former Met Francisco Rodriguez surprised the Brewers and accepted his offer of arbitration. While his option may not have vested, he's still likely to become the most expensive non-closing reliever in the history of the game. I guess that's one way to spend your entire budget if you lose Prince Fielder and miss out on Jose Reyes. Other players accepting arbitration include Kelly Johnson and David Ortiz.

Star-divide

Kevin Burkhardt got in touch with Jose Reyes for an interview yesterday. The Marlins continued to throw money around, landing Mark Buehrle as well yesterday for a ridiculous sum. The rumor mill is still connecting them to CJ Wilson, but by rule they should not be eligible to sign a fourth compensatory free agent. It will be interesting to see what comes of that in the coming days.

SB Nation's McCovey Chronicles was extremely upset to see fan favorite Andres Torres go. Andy McCullough took a closer look at the similarities between Torres and the far less popular Angel Pagan who he will be replacing.

In other Mets traid news, Jon Niese was a popular name being tossed around yesterday. The New York media seems to believe he's even a target for the Yankees.

The Red Sox will likely be adding players to their system today (or cash). Compensation for stealing boy wonder (Theo) is expected to be announced today after the Rule 5 draft. With the Cubs owning a high selection it would not surprise me if the Sox will be making the selection for them.

In a reversal of their usual roles on the trade market, the Blue Jays yesterday sent top prospect Nestor Molina to the White Sox for reliever Sergio Santos. I wasn't aware that Kenny Williams even knew the minor leagues existed.

Finally we'll take a look across the Pacific. Yu Darvish has confirmed that he's set to be posted in the next few days. While it will be interesting to see what teams go hard after the half-Iranian phenom, I think it's safe to say that the Mets will not be involved. Hiroki Sanada seems to be a slightly less desirable commodity, as he passed through the posting process without any team making a bid.

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other Mets trade news

The link beginning with “The New York media” states “the team fielded inquiries about many players on Wednesday, including Mike Pelfrey and Daniel Murphy. In both cases, the Mets were underwhelmed by what teams said they were willing to offer.” Unless Sandy was offered the 2011 equivalent of Scott Schoeneweis, I find it difficult to believe that another team was able to fashion an “underwhelming” offer for Mike Pelfrey. Please Sandy, take whatever you can get for Big Pelf! Make another phone call to Sabean.

by Common Knowledge on Dec 8, 2011 7:53 AM EST reply actions  

200 innings disappear while getting a pile of crap in return. If only he was an ex Brave, we could probably get Wil Myers.

SELL THE METS

by piazza62 on Dec 8, 2011 8:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Seconded

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by Russ on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

My thoughts on Pelfrey...

We know who he is now, a back of the rotation innings eater. Yes, if we keep him, he will be overpaid as such. But, in my humble opinion, I like Pelfrey. He is kind of an underdog. He has the talent, but it is his head that gets in the way. His sport psychologist died last year. Being a therapist myself, I have a lot of clients who would probably regress if I suddenly disapperared. I am willing to give him kind of a pass for last year based on that. The Mets should have done their best to find him a new therapist. Obviously, he needs one. I am not about to speculate what is potentially the issue, but there has to be one if Pelfrey and the Mets PR staff brought it out into the forefront last year. I think he needs a good clinician who will boost his confidence and help him resolve whatever issues he has preventing him from optimizing his talent.

by CCE718 on Dec 8, 2011 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Big Pelf

Big Pelf is a total enigma to me. This is a guy who has a front of the rotation arm but just can’t put it together. I thought he had done so in 2010 but he regressed in 2010 I look at him vs Dillon Gee and wonder what Gee would do with the stuff Pelf has.

Having said that, an innings eater with upside like Big Pelf has value even if he is incredibly frustrating to watch.

by millsy on Dec 8, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't have a front of the rotation arm.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 8, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

93-95 MPH Sinker Should Be 1,2,3 Starter

IMO he has the arm, not the head. He isn’t consistent with secondary pitches and melts down under pressure.

As guys like Dillon Gee and Rick Reed show, the mental part of the game is as important as the physical part.

by millsy on Dec 8, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

DIlion Gee was worth 0.2 fWAR and had a 4.43 ERA.

So much for mental superiority…

And one pitch a front-line starter does not make.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 8, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember

when they drafted him. Baseball people were saying he was unique, that he could dominate a game at the major league level with one pitch: his sinking fastball; it was that good. Pitchers just don’t do that at this level. Well, now the knock on him is that he has no putaway pitch. Go figure.

by jdon on Dec 8, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Omar Did A Disservice to Us All With His Handling of Big Pelf

Most pitchers perfect their breaking stuff in the minors. Part of me thinks Big Pelf is the way he is b/c they rushed him to bigs rather than letting him develop the breaking stuff and confidence in the minors. DePodesta apparently has tables showing how many innings above A and AA a pitcher should throw b/f coming to the bigs. That’s why we won’t see any of the young arms in 2012

by millsy on Dec 8, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

they also had him ditch his curveball, which I think was a stupid choice

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Dec 8, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That Boras article is really interesting

And it just acts as another voice to say that the Mets woes for now and the near future can be traced right to the Wilpons.

I would imagine that some potential owners would be foaming at the mouth at a chance to own the Mets. Someone with deep enough pockets to turn this floundering franchise into a perennial contender would be a god amongst men in NY.

SELL THE METS

by piazza62 on Dec 8, 2011 8:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

As a roomate of mine used to say

if you wake up one morning and agree with something Bob Novak said, it’s time to re-evaluate your thinking.

by Kepler on Dec 8, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Re: The Marlins signing a 4th FA

a) is the article linked to based on the old CBA or could the new CBA have changed that rule?

b) wasn’t Bell re-classified as a non-Type A FA? I understand that if he’s B he’d still count against the limit but I thought those relievers got put into their own special non-A/non-B category. I’m wondering if that category also means they don’t count against the “cap.” Anyone know if that’s a proper read or not?

by cpins on Dec 8, 2011 8:30 AM EST reply actions  

The new CBA compensation rules do not go into effect until next offseason

As far as Bell goes, he’s a modified type A in which the Padres still receive equivalent compensation but the Marlins don’t actually part with a pick. That falls somewhere between A and B, but I’d assume it still counts. If it does not, the number of type A and B’s dropped under 38 anyway, so the limit would then be 2.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 8, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

So some of the rules

apply next off-season and some (the modified Type A’s) go into effect right away but just not for some teams (like the Phils).

What a joke.

by cpins on Dec 8, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Just using common sense, I’d assume that this seasons use of the elias rankings means the three free agent rule also still applies. Common sense doesn’t always apply with Bud Selig though…who knows what is actually happening.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 8, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Just one more thing

Why does this article insinuate that the mets non pursuit of fielder is because of financial insolvency?

It’s funny how one ankle injury that probably won’t mean anything next year can make an entire media outlet forget about Ike.

SELL THE METS

by piazza62 on Dec 8, 2011 8:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I read it as the Brewers will miss out on Fielder

because K-Rod accepted their offer of arb which means they now have to tie up roughly $14m in an 8th inning guy. Brewers had been listed as a very likely Jose landing spot, especially if they lost Fielder. Now if they lose Fielder they have $14m less (thanks to KRod) with which to get another piece.

by cpins on Dec 8, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I am so happy K-Rod is no longer a Met

that ridiculous contract makes me laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuugh

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 8, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Ooops - I just read the Boras article

I thought you were referring to the Applesauce article.

Boras is trying to sell his client – he’s not passing judgement of Ike. And Boras shilling for a client isn’t really the same as “an entire media outlet” – it’s not the Times forgetting about Ike – it’s Boras.

by cpins on Dec 8, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Had the Exact Same Reaction

Why would you pay tons of $$ for Fielder when you have a young, great fielding 1B who has a ton of offensive upside and looked to be putting it together b/f he got hurt. Even if the Mets weren’t broke that would be a really bad use of money.

by millsy on Dec 8, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Fielder would not have been a good fit

though I suppose the “steak section” argument still applies somewhat.

by TheBigStapler on Dec 8, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to think

that the Marlins are just rolling the dice on their new stadium. Unless they sell the place out every night for the next two years (which could happen anywhere but Miami), they have no intention of even thinking about seeing these contracts to the end. The lack of no trade clauses is their failsafe, although that assumes that the players stay healthy/productive enough to move . . .

by tmu on Dec 8, 2011 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

That Buehrle contract looks hard to move

And Reyes will be near impossible, especially if he gets hurt.

SELL THE METS

by piazza62 on Dec 8, 2011 8:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Loria is looking to sell the team in two years

With some revenue boos from the new stadium and backloaded contracts he’ll make a ton of money for two years and then the team is in ruins.

Following the Mets from across the pond.

by SwedeMet on Dec 8, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

whom do you guys think Sandy will pick for the Rule V?

Nick Barnese seems like a good pick up

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 8, 2011 9:12 AM EST reply actions  

I lobby for Gorman Erickson

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The Unwritten Rules of AA

by Michkin on Dec 8, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Tommy Pham

Anyone read the SB Nation preview posted above? This guy stuck out as a potential pickup for us. CF prospect with potential power whose poor performance seems to have been due to eye-sight issues. He rebounded in 2010 after getting contacts but was hobbled slightly due to unrelated injuries. I guess the big concern is his eye issues may be degenerative. Still, I would be happy to give this guy a shot at the end of the bench, at least to start the season.

by nyi22 on Dec 8, 2011 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

Any word on his ESPN special?

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The Unwritten Rules of AA

by Michkin on Dec 8, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Now we won't contend until 2019

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by Russ on Dec 8, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

A Met

as no.1

Following the Mets from across the pond.

by SwedeMet on Dec 8, 2011 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

NY Mets passes

so much for that.

Following the Mets from across the pond.

by SwedeMet on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

#fireSMSandy

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by Michkin on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

We passed

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by Russ on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

Mets pass

I guess we don’t plan to participate

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

rhiner cruz was taken.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 8, 2011 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

oops sorry for the late posting :)

wonder why no mlb rule 5 pick for us this year

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 8, 2011 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

Too many prospects to protect on the 40 man roster

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by Russ on Dec 8, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

ah makes sense

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 8, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Prob since our 40-man roster is at 39

and we need to add FrankyFrank and Rauch.

Following the Mets from across the pond.

by SwedeMet on Dec 8, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

SNY says we're "shopping" Parnell.

I hope we give Boston a call. Parnell and some mid-level, mid potential guy for Jed Lowrie would be nice.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

Metsblog says that they're considering dealing him for a "starting position player".

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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 8, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

A yet unnamed starting position player but sounds like there's a concrete offer they're mulling.

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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Lowrie could fit that description.

/really attached to the idea of Lowrie on the Mets

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Booooooring

Mets again

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by SwedeMet on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

PUJOLS TO THE ANGELS

REPORTS ARE A 10-YEAR, 250 TO 260 MIL CONTRACT WITH NO-TRADE CLAUSE!

by Common Knowledge on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

Cards just selected Shooter Hunt in the AAA phase

What an awesome baseball name.

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by Russ on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

wonder what they will do with Kendry Morales and

Mark Trumbo? man that’s a lot of dough and years…

yep shooter hunt is an awesome name

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

The Blue Jays selected Hector Alvarez in the AAA phase

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa504823&position=C

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by Russ on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

CONSPIRACY THEORY:

Anybody else find it “coincidental” that they just so happen to be changing the jerseys (with what some might call a minor change) when the Wilpons are poor and reporting $70M losses?

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 8, 2011 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

What does one thing have to do with the other?

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by Russ on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

They are saving fabric on the jerseys lol

That’s all I’ve got

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The Unwritten Rules of AA

by Michkin on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Incread in revenue from merchandise.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 8, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

huh?

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 8, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

NOT AT ALL

Anything to have the fanbase fork over a few extra. Of course, that’s true regardless of the financial state of the team, so maybe not.

THAT SAID, had he not been ultimately responsible for the dropshadow, I’d give Fred a bearhug for getting rid of the dropshadow.

by tmu on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Awww

You broke AA haha

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by Michkin on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm looking at the page source code

and it doesn’t look like I did it.

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by Russ on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Common Knowledge apparently did it by including a STRONG tag after his comment

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by Russ on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

CSI:AA

Lets run his fingerprints/sig over CODIS database

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by Michkin on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm...

not really sure what changing the jerseys has to do with losing money.

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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 8, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

mets

everyone needs to chill , mets will be ok, it will take a couple of years to fix the omar mistakes, relax , if you’re a mets fan you’ll stick with them…….REMEMBER IT’S ONLY A GAME

by gary mets on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

What´s with the misspelling of ¨Traiding¨?

Is that being done to be ¨cool¨? As in ¨It´s cool to be illiterate!¨? Or was it a typo?

by Dave In Spain on Dec 8, 2011 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

What misspelling?

He correctly spelled “TRAID,” with requisite ALL CAPS.

by tmu on Dec 8, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

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