Locked Out Ollie Applesauce - Perez shows up to locked PSL, Mets may have to open books, Clemens still A-hole
Meet the Mets
I'm sure that there are bigger stories to lead off Applesauce with, but honestly, is there anything better than a mental image of Oliver Perez showing up at Spring Training and the doors being locked?
The Madoff/Met scandal could force the team to open its books, which is bad news for both MLB teams and the Wilpons.
Roger Clemens has decided it's been long enough that he can start making jokes about throwing a bat shard at Mike Piazza. I have several thoughts about this and all of them involve language that would be inappropriate here.
Even without Wright, Reyes, and Beltran, the Mets have pieces in place that could add up to 84 wins. How about that for optimism? Want more? Here's something telling us that Carlos Beltran's production has already been worth $39 million more than the contract's total.
Jayson Stark is unimpressed with the Mets' offseason. Surprisingly, though, he only gave the Phillies a B+.
Robert Knapel scores an interview with John Sickels to talk about the Met farm system.
Sleeper candidate for the 2011 bullpen: Mike O'Connor.
Around MLB
There are a few posts that have been making the rounds over the weekend that you should check out. First, Emma Span finds the really dark side of MLB fan fiction (post deals with some weird stuff, so heads up). Also, DRaysBay has put together one of those fun Create Your Own Adventure posts.
CC has lost 25 pounds.
The Phils have signed everyone's favorite: Cory Sullivan.
Elijah Dukes is now a rapper and may be smoking as much pot as he did as a National.
Speaking of people with drug problems, Charlie Sheen inspired UCLA's baseball team with all the knowledge he's gleaned from a life in rehab.
If you want some righteous anger this morning, check out the story of the high school pitcher with an 80 mph heater and sweet curveball who was cut because he can't field bunts. Oh yeah and because he has two prosthetic legs.
Albert Pujols has the Cardinals over a barrel.
And, finally, happy 50th anniversary to Strat-O-Matic.
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Talk about omens ...
Man, even the universe doesn’t want Ollie on the team …
My thought was that it shows that Ollie lives in his own little world
It seems to me that he expects things to function in a way that accommodates his needs. Earth to Ollie, it is not about what you want. It is about what the team needs.
"The Mets are gonna be amazin'!" - Casey Stengel
"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier
The other explanation ...
Is that he did call ahead, and they’re just messing with him …
by brooklynlou on Feb 14, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Show of hands
on who has the worst imagine right now…Clemens or Ollie?
I’m going with Clemens.
by MetsFan4Decades on Feb 14, 2011 9:02 AM EST reply actions
What do you mean by "the worst imagine?"
"The Mets are gonna be amazin'!" - Casey Stengel
"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier
Which of them would be worst at karaoke singing that John Lennon song.
by Jamesir Bensonmum on Feb 14, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
If that's the case, I'd also go with Clemens
Ollie is probably much worse, but he would be so bad that it would be hysterical! Clemens would just be painful to watch.
"The Mets are gonna be amazin'!" - Casey Stengel
"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier
Image
Which is closely related to the word “imagine.” Imagine that.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
"Clemens still A-hole" in this article title is offensive
It insults a-holes.
"The Mets are gonna be amazin'!" - Casey Stengel
"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier
Exactly.
Whatever their other flaws, assholes are generally honest.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 14, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
That coach who cut the disabled kid sounds like a jerk
On the other hand, the parents’ response was out of bounds. Having a write-in campaign to the athletic director? As a former coach, that is totally inappropriate.
On the one hand, they want their kid treated the same, even though he’s disabled. On the other hand, they clearly don’t want him treated the same as witnessed by their letter-writing campaign.
I wonder if he was cut from JV or Varsity
He’s only a sophomore, and a guy who can throw 80 mph with a curve would have a place on most any JV team at the least. No matter his ability to field bunts.
by James Kannengieser on Feb 14, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
It really depends a lot on the team and school
Some teams he would be the starting pitcher on the varsity squad. Some teams are perennial AAAA powerhouses who go to the state championship every year and if that was the case I could see why, based strictly on performance, the guy might not have a place. Although, like I said, I think it was probably pretty douchy the coach didn’t find a place for him anyway.
(I did re-read the article and it said the kid was cut as a sophmore…so it seems like this wasn’t a rash decision….i.e. they had plenty of time to evaluate him as a freshman.)
He was cut from the varsity team as a sophomore
They discussed this topic on the FAN on Sunday morning.
Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.
It says he was cut from Varsity, and it doesn't really say he can throw 80 though
It says he can throw “around” 80, which in an article written in the way this one was would lead me to believe he probably sits at 70 and can occasionally unleash one at 73-75 when he doesn’t worry about control. I’m not sure what to think of the situation, but II’m quite sure we’re not getting a very unbiased scouting report on the player here.
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 14, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah the scouting reports are all over the place
I read this one earlier which says he’s at 85 mph. Tough to get an unbiased report out of this.
by James Kannengieser on Feb 14, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
This.
If the kid had genuinely good stuff, there would be a place for him on the team. Not taking sides on whether he was wronged or whether the coach is being maligned unfairly, but that aspect of the whole thing rings true for me.
If the kid has really good stuff and I’m the coach, I put him on the team and then raise all hell the first time an opposing coach employs a “bunt all the time” strategy.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 14, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, lets pretend the guy wasn't disabled though
and was just a good pitcher who was a horrible fielder. Would you raise hell because they bunted against that guy? Exploiting a teams weaknesses is part of the game. Making special rules about when the other team can and can’t bunt is just not feasible. Bunting is part of the game. By the same logic, if you fielded a team full of players who were disabled, you could raise hell every time the opposing team hit the ball, because it’s unfair to the players who have to field it.
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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 14, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, absolutely agreed.
I’m not suggesting any special treatment should apply if the kid made the team. I’m just saying, PR wise, if the kid has great stuff but can’t field bunts because of his lack of legs, a high school coach could probably go to the media and shame his opponents into not bunting against that one player.
It’s the reason why I think the kid must not have much in the way of stuff — if he did, you find a way to get him on the team and try and make the other coaches look like jerks when they try to exploit that glaring weakness in the defense.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 14, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose he could try to shame them into not doing it
but doesn’t that kind of make any of this guy’s victories hollow anyway? He seems like the type of guy from everything i’ve read that wants to succeed on his own merits. I’m pretty sure he’d hate having teams play him differently than other pitchers.
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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 14, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
It might make for some hollow victories
but, again, if the kid was a sophomore in high school throwing 80 MPH with good movement, I’m sure there was a spot for him irrespective of the bunting issue. And if it became an issue, there is a media-friendly out for the coach if he wants it. This is why I think the kid probably isn’t as good as his backers make him out to be.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 14, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
He still has to grab a bat as well
He may actually be a pretty good player, but from what I can find this is a pretty major high school in Florida, so they likely have quite a few top shelf players. If the kid can’t make the varsity squad as a sophomore at a big high school, that isn’t really abnormal by any means. 80 mph is nice and all, but a straight 80 is a lot different than 80 with movement. At this point I think we really have to give the coach the benefit of the doubt, and I really think if the kid wasn’t going to be used keeping him on the bench for PR reasons would be more insulting than giving him an honest assessment.
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 14, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
eh
it’s high school ball, not the pros. Things should be competitive, but not to the extent that you engage in abnormal behavior (bunting all the time) to exploit the weakness of a kid with two prosthetic legs. It’s a highly unusual situation and grown men can figure out a way to make it work.
And I don’t think it would make victories hollow for the kid. People with disabilities learn that life is a little different for them but they can triumph nevertheless. If you’re a kid with, say, dyslexia, you learn not to be ashamed about needing an extra hour on the SAT. And if you score so well that you get into Harvard, nothing hollow about that victory.
But we really don’t know the story on this thing so I’m not judging the coach.
by Pack Bringley on Feb 14, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Here is another point if the kid can throw but not field isn't there also a Safety issue
With Limited Mobility an 85mph pitch can be hit back through the box at 90-100mph it might not only be the bunt play.
Couldn't they change the strategy
and play a fifth infielder?
If the kid is genuinely throwing 80, depending on the level of course, you can probably afford to take a guy out of the outfield
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-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
by Aidan Gibson on Feb 14, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Or alternatively
Have the 3B play in a little.
by TheBigStapler on Feb 14, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Touching 80 isn't abnormal though for high school level pitching.
At big schools it’s fairly common for teams to have several players who can surpass that.
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 15, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
except....LOLie doesn't have good stuff (in reply to catsmeat's first post in case reply fail)
nor the skills to back it up. I hope LOLie is barred from ever coming to camp.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Feb 15, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
whoops! my bad
note to self: read whole article before responding! sorry guys …durp. I am not quite awake when reading
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Feb 15, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
no problem
although if it was between Ollie and a high schooler with prosthetic legs and an 80 MPH fastball, i’d take the high schooler.
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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 15, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
I don't want to sound like a callous jerk here
but the kid tried out, and he was, according to the article, one of 23 players cut from the team. It’s not like he was even close to the only one. I dont know if he can field bunts properly or not, but if he truly can’t, the coach made a tough decision. I’m sure he didn’t enjoy having to do it, but if you’re trying to do whats best for the team, then it may have been the right move. If another kid plays better but doesn’t get that spot because of sympathy for this guy, then aren’t you just crushing some other kids dream of playing baseball (and at the same time just being patronizing to the disabled kid)? Horrible situation, absolutely. But im not sure the coach did the wrong thing here.
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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 14, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
except
something to understand about disability rights is that it isn’t just about “equality,” it’s also about accommodation. If you use a wheelchair, say, “equality” gets you hardly anywhere: you have to advocate society to install elevators and ramps and other things that able bodied people don’t need, and you don’t feel bad about the outlay in cash and labor this requires. You’re a bit different, and you accept that, and you fight to be accommodated.
In a school context (that’s what this is), kids with learning disabilities are rightly afforded more resources and time in a competitive academic context. If this particular athlete fights to be accommodated in a sports context, I can fully understand. “Slippery slope” arguments often do nothing except obscure the particular case at hand. He isn’t a blind batter asking to hit off a tee: he’s a pitcher who can do almost every one of the important things required of him. He just asks that an opposing team not engage in highly unusual behavior to exploit his disability.
But all of this assumes that he is indeed an awesome pitcher, which we don’t know for sure. I’m sure he doesn’t want to make the team out of “sympathy,” but there is nothing weak about wanting a reasonable amount of accommodation.
by Pack Bringley on Feb 14, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I agree in most facets of life, accommodation is definitely a fair expectation for those with disabilities
But in sports equality isn’t standard to begin with. Playing sports at a competitive level (and high school is a competitive level, this is where they get scouted for college or MLB) isn’t a right that everyone has (like education or access to public buildings), it is survival of the fittest, a selective process. Only the most physically fit and talented tend to make these teams. Lets say I can throw at 80 MPH, but am a terrible fielder, do I get on a team because I play part of the game well, if there are other, more well rounded players available? I expect I would be cut from the team, because I can’t play to the level required of me. Regardless of whether talent or physical limitation prevents you from carrying out the expected task, if you can’t do it, then you can’t do it.
I agree asking a team not to bunt every hitter is reasonable, but do you ask them not to bunt at all? If every bunt turns into a base hit, how do you handle sacrifice bunt situations? What is considered too much bunting? I don’t consider this a slippery slope argument though. I think the problem here is the assumed right to equality in athletics. I think it sucks that he worked as hard as he has to learn to play the game despite his situation, only to not be able to play competitively, and I have all the respect in the world for his resilience, but I don’t think it’s unfair to cut him any more so than any other person not making the team after working hard for years at the sport.
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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 14, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
It's a tough thing, really is
My two cents is that, first, a pronounced physical disability is qualitatively different than an able-bodied person who just lacks certain skills and, second, the fact that this is a schools issue is significant. You’re correct that no right exists to compete in high school athletics, but a public high school (IMO) should have a responsibility to accommodate disabilities over and above the responsibility of a non-public entity. School sports are first and foremost a service to the student body.
Plus I’m just the sort of person who’s anxious to work things out without engaging in large abstractions about what this MEANS. Maybe the coach did take a long look — even talked to other managers — and decided the difficulties are too difficult to overcome, and if so I could understand that. But I think the door should generally be open for making reasonable accommodations even in something like competitive sports.
by Pack Bringley on Feb 14, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
What more can they really do though?
I agree school sports are for the student body, but that’s the whole student body. Roster spots are a limited resource. Should the spot on the team be taken away from another student who plays the game well and deserves to make the team to accommodate a player less able to play, regardless of the reason? Do they have a responsibility to give this guy a spot on the team even if it is at the expense of someone else? If teams could carry any number of players, i’d say there’s no reason to cut him, easy decision, but ultimately the able-bodied students have just as much of a right to that roster spot as this player does.
It’s one of those situations where rationally, it makes sense what he did, but emotionally it feels very wrong. Wish I knew what a good solution to the situation would be, but sometimes life just sucks like that.
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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 14, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Well, in my mind
If it’s going to suck for somebody, make it suck less for the guy with the two prosthetic legs. That isn’t a sympathy vote — it’s an acknowledgment that disabled people are generally barred from competitive sports and should, if possible, have some measure of accommodation to address that. If you have two job candidates — a man and a pregnant woman — who are equal candidates for a job, you don’t give it to the man because of the 6 or 8 weeks extra labor you’ll receive. You think about ways she could work from home. (Now if the man is a better candidate, that’s different.) Not an exact analogy, but I do think the “it would be unfair if…” arguments tend to benefit those with more privileges.
by Pack Bringley on Feb 14, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I can totally see your viewpoint
To me, though, this boils down to whether or not the kid has a RIGHT to that roster spot just because he’s disabled, and if things like the Americans with Disabilities Act should cover high school athletics.
I personally don’t think he does.
(Now, FWIW, do I think the coach probably should have made an accomodation to the kid? Yeah, it would have been an awesome gesture. But I don’t think he HAS to, and I think the parents’ attempts to strongarm him and painting him like a douche is just as bad in its way as the coach’s decision.)
the thing is, in this story, other players are more capable than him
hiring the pregnant woman has a temporary drawback which can be alleviated in the short term by working at home. The fielding issue is one of greater permanence, so im not sure the scenarios can be compared. One situation is planning for the future by hiring the most overall qualified candidate, the other doesn’t have any long term benefit to offset the immediate issue.
Isn’t saying “since disabled people are usually barred from competitive sports, we should accommodate them by letting him play” almost the definition of a sympathy vote though? They’re barred for the same reason many people are barred from competitive sports, because they’re unable to competitively perform the tasks required of the athlete. The underlying cause of this inability may be different, but the end result is the same. This isn’t a blanket statement. You have guys like Jim Abbott (one of my all time favorite baseball players) who overcome their disability to play. They aren’t barred just because they’re disabled, it is just much more difficult for them to succeed. He was still expected to fulfill all of the same duties as every other player on the field. If he couldn’t, he never would have found his way to the major leagues.
Im really not trying to be harsh here or in any way downplay the accomplishments of this player, but it seems equally unfair to deny someone else their dream of playing baseball if they’re a better player. The whole thing about fair is it shouldn’t favor either player. Fair would be the best player gets the job regardless of any other factors.
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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 14, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well, what I'm talking about
is the scenario that the kid IS the better player except for a failing that can be reasonably accommodated (the equivalent of working from home.) I’m also talking about school ball, not the majors. So I think we’re mostly talking past each other. I think a “fair is fair” standard can be realllll problematic, but I get why someone would err toward that in the relatively cut-and-dried world of sports.
by Pack Bringley on Feb 14, 2011 5:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, we're probably not gonna come to a full consensus on this
although i’ve enjoyed the rather interesting debate. I can see your point of view, I just don’t know if theres a practical way to implement it. The high school ball argument is one I don’t totally agree with though, since a lot of these kids want to go on to play college ball with the hopes of getting scouted, and being left off of the high school team is going to make it very hard to get that chance. It’s not as simple as a rec league or something like that. Sadly high school ball can be fairly serious business these days.
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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 14, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
if only all discourse on the internet were so civil
imagine what the human race could accomplish
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by KeithsMoustache on Feb 14, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
The issue re disability discrimination is
can you perform the job with the accommodation? But if others can perform it better than you, even with the accommodation, then he gets cut.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
FYI
Reading the comments of the article, I see the author is a member of the family or a family friend of the kid who was cut. The colors my perception of the article a bit.
I have no idea what this campaign is trying to do. The kid himself says he doesn’t want to play for the coach under the circumstances….so what are the parents and friends trying to accomplish? Getting the baseball coach fired?
BTW, I was a victim of a douche coach in one of the sports I tried to play in HS. Even to this day, I still perceive I was unfairly cut because of school politics. No one wrote a column about me though.
geez
there’s an awful lot of righteous, indignant and I’d say over-personalized reactions over the politics surrounding a local high school team which, you could argue, in any sane society should be more about sportsmanship than fielding the world’s greatest Orlando-area high school squad. So the kid’s supporters want to raise a fuss, I find it difficult to get outraged. The coach knew what he was getting into, or doesn’t subscribe to ESPN the magazine. Did we all get cut from high school teams or something?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Feb 14, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
But it's clearly NOT about sportsmanship
If it’s about sportsmanship, then every player should make the team (including the 23 other players who were cut.)
If it’s just about fielding the best team, then the coach gets to make the decisions as to who should be on the team.
The parents are simply conducting a smear campaign against the coach. They never had reason to question the coach’s baseball knowledge until the guy cut their kid, and then the proverbial shit hit the fan.
It's unfair what that coach did.
Just think, if Ollie’s coach did that in Little League, because of his Mental Retardation, he would have missed out on a long and prosperous successful average below average horrible career.
Thank you Matt Moulson!
It doesn't hurt being an Islander fan....but it sure hurts playing for them...get well soon, um, everybody....
if people with disabilities want equal rights
they should be treated as such. no coach in his right mind would cut a player if he thought the kid would make his team better.
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
by Hoyadestroya85 on Feb 14, 2011 12:43 PM EST reply actions
"equal rights"
Me and a wheelchair user have an equal right to rent this apartment, except it’s a 5th floor walkup…
Equality is a very tricky thing.
by Pack Bringley on Feb 14, 2011 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i agree
but unless this coach is insane, the kid would be on his team if he was one of the best players on the team. this seems to me like controversy for the sake of controversy.
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
by Hoyadestroya85 on Feb 14, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
the whole oliver perez thing just goes to show
that security at Digital Domain Park in St. Lucie is too lax. Alderson needs to lock the parking lot gates if he wants us to take him seriously.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
I will be in the #firesandyalderson group until
Sandy builds a moat around the spring training complex complete with a functioning drawbridge and a fire breathing dragon.
Small market Sandy obviously doesn't get what it takes to win in New York!
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Feb 14, 2011 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
SM Sandy doesn't even know how to win in St. Lucie!
In lobby for: Jaime Cevallos, Zack Lutz, orange unis
The Unwritten Rules of AA
Random thoughts
That Beltran piece by Hardball Times was perfect & this brings a tear to my eye:
From 2006 through 2008, Carlos Beltran was the best player in the National League not named Pujols. His combination of hitting, batting eye, power, speed, baserunning smarts, fielding prowess and clutch hitting made him an extraordinary performer. It is very difficult to fault him for the Mets’ collapses in 2007 and 2008. In fact, he was one of the few Metropolitans to step up to the challenge.
Clemens is still a piece of shit & deserves to spend some time with a person like this
I understand Pujols is the best player since Bonds & all that, but if I’m the Cardinals, I can’t give him 10 years. I would gladly give him a 7-year, $231 million deal. But a 10 year deal that would go into his age 40 season? I’d try my very best to avoid that scenario.
And OT,

What's that about?
LOLie arriving at St Lucie
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Feb 14, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
emma span uncovered a gold mine
who doesn’t crave major league baseball slash fic? i’m pretty sure we all do.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
Every time I try to get worked up over the coming season.....
the specter of Wontpon incompetence rears its ugly head. There is no getting around this. It will contaminate the season and no one can do anything about it. The met FO is an embarassment, a travesty, a mockery and a sham. I am actually embarassed, and I had nothing to do with it…I swear! I only hope that as Spring Training draws to a close, my feral baseball instincts will return to their dominant state and I can bask in the glow again.
The only thing we have going in our favor is
that MLB will now put a ton of pressure on the Wilpons to sell the team and settle with Picard.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
ya think?
i’ve read alternative interpretation. that Selig will do anything to protect his Wilpie pals. what to believe?
That would be positive unless it is sold to JayZ.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Feb 14, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm really cool with the
MLK III, Jerry Seinfeld, Ed Kranepool group. Add Tom Seaver and Mike Piazza to that group and I’m good to go.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
Current Mets' Ownershit
must be replaced. U can’t see how Bud could want it any other way. I know they are buddies but the stain on baseball is just too great. These clowns are involved in two Ponzi shemes, and apparently hav einvested deferred salary money with old Rasputin. They gotta go. It ain’t just the karma, it is the continuing foul odor of Wontponism.

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