On Spring Training and Roster Management
I, for one, will not begrudge anyone the right to be blindly optimistic in the spring. I certainly am, and that's part of the fun of "Hope and Faith," and all that. We must be optimistic about the season, trying to put together that sequence or series of events that will propel the Mets into a wild card berth or a miracle division title over the hated Phillies. So there's nothing wrong with that.
But I think there is something wrong with the second temptation: to overinterpret Spring Training statistics. They are, essentially, meaningless. That is not to say that Spring Training is meaningless. Our usually-reliable data becomes useless, or worse, misleading, in March.
1. Ignore spring training statistics. It is way too hard to adjust for context reliably.
Last week, Oliver Perez pitched 2 scoreless innings against the St. Louis Cardinals, which seemingly bought him some time in his battle to salvage a rotation spot. But the only number here that really mattered was his velocity. Why? Quality of competition. Perez faced a minor-league caliber lineup and probably will continue to face mixed competition for much of the spring. Media reporting is that his velocity is still down. Unless the velocity recovers, Perez is done. (Thankfully, the Mets seemed to agree with this.)
Even when facing big leaguers, it is dangerous to take the numbers seriously. For one, we are dealing with incredibly small samples of big-leaguers versus big-leaguers. But more importantly, players are working on things in the spring, like new pitches, different batting stances, perhaps even different equipment. The spring is really the only chance a major leaguer gets to experiment in live games; I would bet that major leaguers who feel secure in their roster spots (translation: the best players) are much more willing to experiment than the lesser players. So even strong performances against strong competition can be deceiving.
Now, I think there probably is value on the scouting side of the house here. Scouts can probably detect differences in process that regular fans probably cannot. But it needs to be independent of gaudy numbers.
The easiest way to get around this mess is to surrender, or to adhere to the wisdom of Socrates (or, rather, Bill and Ted's paraphrasing thereof):
Ted: That's us, dude.
We must accept that we can know nothing. So, what to do?
2. Trust the established track record, including high-minors (AA and AAA) statistics.
Because the spring provides us with so little useful information, we must take what we have that IS useful: namely, the previous body of work. We know that Willie Harris can draw a walk and can field well; nothing he does this spring should change that. Scott Hairston has some pop; Nick Evans can hit lefthanders; Luis Castillo is sure-handed but lacks range; Fernando Martinez has never had a full season of productivity but periodically shows flashes of brilliance; Angel Pagan covers the part of the planet not covered by water; Josh Thole has a strong command of the strike zone; Mike Pelfrey is a slightly-above average innings eater. These are all things that we would have said last November, or last December, when talking about the Mets. Nothing that happens in the spring should change that.
3. Be able to articulate and justify the role of every player on your projected Opening Day roster.This is what I try to do when looking at the wonderful Make-the-Mets-o-Meters here at Amazin' Avenue. Where do the players fit in?
The guarantees: Josh Thole, Mike Nickeas (as placeholder), Ike Davis, Jose Reyes, David Wright, Jason Bay, Angel Pagan, Carlos Beltran, Mike Pelfrey, Jon Niese, RA Dickey, Francisco Rodriguez, Bobby Parnell, DJ Carrasco.
Believe it or not, that leaves 11 roster slots. What do the Mets need?
- Lefty pinch hitter
- Righty pinch hitter
- Backup middle infielder
- Backup corner infielder
- Defensive outfielder (to replace Bay periodically)
- Two starting pitchers
- Lefty specialist
- Mop-up/long-man/Innings eater
- Two middle relievers
Whatever roster you pick should have players who can fill all of those roles. That, of course, does not mean that you need to have one player for all of those things; if, for instance, you had a great pinch hitter who could also play shortstop and second base, you wouldn't need two different players to fill those roles. But the fourth factor is probably the most important one:
4. Exercise roster humility. Before forcing yourself to move a player off the 40-man roster or through waivers, check your work.It's a long season, and even if a talented player doesn't make the team, they can always be called up later. As critical as I was of the Mets' roster management last year, stashing Bobby Parnell in the minors to start the season worked out perfectly. He had options, and he worked on improving his game down in the minors. On the other hand, the decision to take Jenrry Mejia over Nelson Figueroa had enormous repercussions--Figgy was claimed by the Phillies, and then the Astros, where he did yeoman's work. The Mets were stuck with 15+ starts from Olly and Maine.
At this point, it's a good idea to figure out what everyone's roster status is. Who has options? Who does not? Who is likely to decline a minor league assignment? Who is likely to pass through waivers? These factors are important, because no 25-man roster is stable throughout the season. At least 2 starting pitchers will miss time. A few relievers will probably be overworked by July and might need a minor league trip for rejuvenation. A couple of hitters will wind up on the DL. The roster should be managed with that aspect of the game in mind--the marathon requires more than 25 players, and anyone who could provide value at some point in the season should be kept, if at all possible. In other words: if the organization is going to lose Nelson Figueroa, it had better be because the alternative was losing someone better.5. Enjoy!
There's no stress or emotional catharsis in watching a spring game, particularly in comparison to pennant race baseball. It's just the sport, in all of its majesty. We also get to see players with impossible uniform numbers competing for jobs. And we do have the right to imagine the impossible playoff run as we watch a projected AAer smack a long home run or save a run with a diving grab.
March is really quite awesome if we take it for what it is: a time to reacquaint ourselves with the game, and a time to imagine the future. But if we make it the time to find this year's surprise player, or the time to make binding judgments on players, we will almost always be disappointed.
This FanPost was contributed by a member of the community and was not subject to any vetting or approval process. It does not necessarily reflect the opinions, reasoning skills, or attention to grammar and usage rules held by the editors of this site.
13 comments
|
7 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
#1
I agree somewhat, but I don’t think you can ingnore all ST stats.
for pitchers you can ignore BAA and Ks but not so much BBs. If a guy can throw strikes when the games doesn’t count, he is never going to when it does count. that is why BAA doesn’t bother me. If a pitcher is throwing strikes but hitters are catching up to them, or they are a little fat that is OK, I don’t want a guy to be overthrowing too early. some of the action that he will get in teh regular season you won’t get when the arm is not in full form yet.
hitters, guys who are young and competing to make the club, you have to look at the stats. You can’t take your backup OF/IF because of last season all the time. I want a guy who has been hitting some
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
Plenty of holes in your reasoning.
1. Pitchers are often working on different things in spring training. They’re generally trying to improve certain pitches, working on their feel, and so forth. Everything else is secondary. If a pitcher walks a lot of guys in spring, it could mean that his mechanics are off. It could also mean that he happened to walk a few extra guys in a very small set of innings.
2. Last season’s performance is far (FAR) more meaningful than a few dozen spring at-bats. The quality of competition is a mixed bag, and any extreme performance—good or bad—is rife with small sample size caveats.
I agree, there are holes in everyones reasoning no one is absolutely right or wrong.
some pitchers aren’t working on anything new, they are just not throwing striks, but I do agree some guys are. When that is the case it is something that has to be added to the evaluation
Last season doesn’t always translate to this season. hundreds of times guys who had a hot season have an off season the next yearand vice versa. In general if you have a few years to measure you can pencil in guys for similar seasons. Jeter had an off season, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he will have another this season, he could very well hit .320
Spring hitting is extremely tough to judge because some ABs are against non major league talent, and some guys can click the switch when the real season starts but I have also seen guys have surprising spring and carry it into the season, like that kid with the Cubs Tyler Colvin. He played his way on the team and was successful most of the 1st half of the season.
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Mar 11, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Nice piece! I agree with most of what you said.
I think ST does show that some guys are ready for the ML or not and we have to remember a guy hitting .320 with 4 HR is not necessarily a major league ready guy and a guy hitting .213 with no walks is not necessarily washed up…unless he is Luis “Fatface” Castillo.
by ScottfromPeekskill on Mar 11, 2011 12:05 PM EST reply actions
I do agree it is a nice piece, well thought out
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Mar 11, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Anything that works in a Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure reference gets a rec from me.
And I’ve been preaching #4 all spring.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
EXCELLENT!

(Smoking guitar riff)
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Mar 17, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: #4
I’m that way to a fault, almost, when I’m playing roster-constructor— I mean, what’s the point of jettisoning a promising Rule V-er based on 2-3 bad ST outings over a three-week span? Sometimes, making the best major-league team isn’t about promoting your best major-league team now, no?
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Mar 17, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially with this team.
Why sacrifice a potentially important piece down the road for short-term gain that still doesn’t get you into the playoffs?
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 17, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Things like option years, 40 man roster juggling, arbitration/free agency considerations among other things are very important in these decisions. Aside from them being rushed, this was the other major reason why adding Mejia and Tejada to the big league roster on opening day last season made so little sense. The Mets basically gave away a year of flexibility with both of them, started their arbitration clock and in the process, set their development back a year. There’s no way that any of those things are positive (I guess maybe getting big league time has some positivity but at the same time, they were seemingly set up to fail from the beginning by being rushed and you don’t want to set your prospects up to fail).
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Mar 17, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Alderson believes in #4 as well
Which is why I think Turner has no shot at the starting 2B job and why Castillo is getting a good chunk of work. Turner can go to Buffalo and wait for space on the 25-man. They don’t want to kick Castillo off the island until they are reasonably sure that what they have on hand is better. #4 will play a very interesting role in the bullpen competition, where Acosta and Misch are out of options, Beato is a rule V guy and Izzy has vowed to retire if he doesn’t make the team. I think we’re all reasonably sure that just about any lefty on hand is better than Perez.
Bravo
All of this needed to be said and I needed to hear it. One gets so excited about real baseball that it’s hard not to care too much about the results of any one game.
2006 was our time right?
In 2006 all the talk was about the METS winning it all, we had the best team and would take it, but, we all know how that ended, Beltran, with a bat on his shoulder. The 83 win, wild card cardinals, beat the METS and went on to win the WS. My point being that the Phillies may look like the best team ever to play the game, on paper, but, they have not earned, or, proven that they are that team. The season is 162 games lone, and, ANYTHING can happen. There are also trades that have not happened yet and call ups that can produce unexpected outcomes. Baseball is a game of chance and luck as much as skill. LETS GO METS!!!!

by 




























