Make-The-Mets-O-Meter, Week 3: Pitchers
by Eric Simon on Mar 15, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
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On Friday the Mets cut 11 players from major league camp including five pitchers: Manny Alvarez, Johan Lujan, Armando Rodriguez, Josh Stinson, and Tobi Stoner. I've left D.J. Carrasco and Taylor Buchholz on the list for now even though both pitchers signed major league contracts and are near certainties to be on the Opening Day roster. I also added Bobby Parnell to the list, who is assured of nothing but does probably have an inside track to the big league bullpen.
Check out previous MTMOMs here.
We'll have Week 3 for hitters tomorrow.
| Player |   |
Comment |
|---|---|---|
| Manny Acosta, RHP |  |
Five strikeouts, two walks, and just one run allowed in 6.0 innings pitched. If he gets beat out for a bullpen spot it won't be because he pitched poorly in the spring. |
| Pedro Beato, RHP | |
That he was a Rule 5 pick doesn't guarantee him a spot on the team. With so many other pitchers throwing well it's no longer a safe bet that Beato makes the cut. It's worth pointing out that his 14-to-2 ground ball ratio is the best on the team. |
| Boof Bonser, RHP | |
Hasn't walked anybody in six innings and he legally changed his name to "Boof" because that's what everybody called him. He has a clause in his minor league deal with the Mets that allows him to opt out if he doesn't make the Opening Day roster. Let's hope he sticks around. |
| Blaine Boyer, RHP | |
He picked up a few innings last week and has eight ground outs to just one fly out. No surprise as he has always been a ground ball machine. Should provide some bullpen depth in Buffalo. |
| Taylor Buchholz, RHP | |
Hasn't allowed a run in eight innings. Major league contract, yada yada yada. |
| Tim Byrdak, LHP | |
Three strikeouts, one walk, and no runs allowed in 4.1 innings. With Tankersley pitching poorly, Byrdak could squeak into the bullpen. |
| D.J. Carrasco, RHP | |
Blah results so far but his ground ball rate has been terrific. He has a major league deal so it hardly matters anyway. |
| Dillon Gee, RHP | |
At this point, a couple of guys will need to get hurt for Gee to avoid a trip to Buffalo. |
| Ryota Igarashi, RHP | |
Nine strikeouts in 4.0 innings is pretty sweet. Three walks and three runs allowed are less sweet. |
| Jason Isringhausen, RHP | |
Izzy is back! Nice story, but it's been five innings with one strikeout and two walks, not much on which to base a roster decision. |
| Jenrry Mejia, RHP | |
No runs allowed. WE NEED HIM IN THE BULLPEN. #2010 #firejerrymanuel |
| Pat Misch, LHP | |
He limits the walks and keeps the ball on the ground. He is better than Oliver Perez at everything worth being better at. |
| Michael O'Connor, LHP | |
Just 3.0 innings so far, you'd think he would pitch more if the Mets expected him to make the team. |
| Bobby Parnell, RHP | |
Also getting a lot of ground balls this spring, Parnell will probably make the big league team out of the gate. |
| Oliver Perez, LHP | |
Any appearance could be his last. He might be worse than every other pitcher in camp, which leaves no excuse for him to beat any of them out for a spot on the roster. |
| Taylor Tankersley, LHP | |
Process is good: eight strikeouts and no walks in 3.1 innings. Results are bad: four runs allowed and a 10.80 ERA. |
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Nice job
I agree with most of these. I think that it would be a stretch for Boof to make the team as a long reliever, I think Misch has that spot locked up at this point.
I don't know if Misch is a lock
Carrasco could be the long reliever, in part because of his major league contract.
If K-Rod, Parnell, Bucholz and Carrasco are in the team, then there are three slots left. One should go to a LOOGY. That leaves two. I think that one will go to Beato, because he was a Rule V selection with a high ceiling who is pitching well. Who gets the last slot? My guess is Izzy.
"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Not so fast my friend
Not sure they want to lose Misch (might not be claimed anyway but…) also not sure they want to tie up Carrasco with long relief. Misch gives them 2 lefties as well as a spot starter.
Of these relievers, who do you drop for Misch?
K-Rod
Parnell
Bucholz
Carrasco
LOOGY to be named
Beato
Izzy
Also, keep in mind that Dickey can pitch in relief on days that he’s not starting.
"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
I think you nailed it.
I doubt there will be any surprises unless they make some sort of late ST trade (and assuming Capuano is named the 5th starter).
and despite what some have said, no one will miss Acosta or Misch. It’s kinda cool though that most of the others – Boyer, Bonser, Tank, Iggy, and O’Connor can all go to Buffalo iirc…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Most likely
It’s either Beato or Izzy not both.
Beato is probably a lock
He’s an elite talent who is pitching well.
It would have to be Izzy.
"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
What does pitching well imply? The guy has allowed 10 baserunners in 6 innings with only 2 K’s. He’s also never pitched above AA. He has potential but not sure he is a lock at all.
Pitching well implies that he'll be servicable in 2011
And Beato’s potential is truly elite. He has a very high ceiling. I doubt that the Mets want to send him back to Baltimore, even though he has never pitched above AA. They knew that he never pitched above AA when he was selected.
I see Izzy being cut before Beato, even if Izzy pitches better in spring training. Why? 38 years old and three TJs in a season where the Mets are unlikely to make the playoffs.
"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
I forgot to mention that spring training stats should not be weighed heavily
The sample sizes are too small. This is where traditional talent evaluation is more valuable.
"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Agreed but
You were the one that mentioned that he is pitching well. Currently there is nothing to support that. However, he does have talent. Keep in mind though that if he gets offered back Baltimore has to have a spot for him as well. I too would keep him over Izzy but not sure he is a “lock”.
I think it's from
reports that have said his FB has been very lively, his command has been solid and he’s had pretty solid movement on his pitches… generally reviews have been solidly favorable considering that he hasn’t pitched above AA, is a known talent, and would have to be offered back to Balt if he doesn’t go north… and that would be just to keep whom? Acosta? Misch? please. those 2 don’t have the projection that Beato has.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Baltimore doesn't have to have a spot for him
he’s their property at that point…they could just stash him in AA or AAA if they want him. And I think being that it’s the Orioles, they may reconsider and take him back.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say Beato
I know he is a Rule 5 but Acosta and Misch are pitching better and I think they are about taking the best guys not taking guys because they do not wantto lose them
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by Rickfansince76 on Mar 15, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the same thing last week
but in discussing it it was relieved that he passed through waivers last year (so it makes you think theres a decent chane he does again).
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Yes, he passed through waivers at the end of ST last season.
That doesn’t mean he will again, especially since he put up solid numbers in his 37 ML innings. But I think I’d take my chances. I’d prefer to keep a guy like Beato over Misch, if that’s what it came down to. I prefer potential improvement at this point to mediocrity and that’s basically Misch’s MO. Plus, we have Gee at AAA who can come up in case of injuries. If Misch was good against lefties, I’d be all for keeping him but he’s actually better vs righties.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
With the likelihood of losing three-fifths of the rotation at some point during the season
I’d be very, very nervous about the prospect of losing a guy like Misch who’s been tolerably good when starting.
by Brian Singer on Mar 21, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the bullpen has the chance to be pretty decent.
Especially if Izzy, Beato, Bucholz work out at all.
by BurleighGrimes on Mar 15, 2011 11:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i was high on Izzy from the begining.
really just wanting him to make the team as a feel good story. But he has pitched really really well. Hopefully it lasts and add a little security to the pen
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Mar 15, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm excited to see how Parnell progresses this season.
Every media outlet mentions the need for a “closer,” yada yada yada after Frankie is gone next season. Even if we do sign a “closer” to appease the media, it sure would be nice to have a guy in the system who is an elite reliever.
Kicking knowledge in the face.
He's not really all that great
Servicible, yes, a little better than average, yes. “Elite”, no.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 15, 2011 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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by Rob Castellano on Mar 15, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions
If it's Acosta Vs. Izzy
they have to go with Acosta. Izzy is just too much of a question mark. Then, in order to keep Beato, they’ll have to punt Misch. Carrasco can fill in occasionally as a long man, so that shouldn’t be a problem. But, it will be a problem if they only have 1 lefty in the pen, because Byrdak can’t pitch everyday. At the same time, Misch isn’t exactly lights out vs. lefties. I’d almost like them to keep Byrdak and Tankersley and then go with Parnell, K-rod, Bucholz, Carrasco, and then either Acosta or Beato. I’m torn on the last one. Either way, it’s a pretty good pen I think, and that’s good.
I agree on the Acosta vs Izzy part.
Izzy is a great story but Acosta is likely the more viable major leaguer in 2011 and beyond. He’s only 29 and whether you’d like to admit it or not, had an unexpectedly solid year out of the Mets’ pen in 2010. Frankly, it’s gamble at this point that Izzy is better than Acosta in 2011 and even if they choose Izzy, dump Acosta and Izzy pitches well, I highly doubt he sticks around in 2012, whereas Acosta is under the Mets’ control.
I’ve seen Izzy break off a couple of nice curves and they say he’s throwing low 90’s but he’s still too much of an unknown for me to boot Acosta who’s got a more recent sample of actually being useful. If you’re taking chances on relievers, sanity says to take the chance on the young, cheap hard thrower. Omar Minaya at least got that right last season with Acosta and it looks like it could bare some fruit for us this year.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely on board with Acosta over Izzy (or anybody with a minor league contract).
Not on board with any one on a minor league contract over Acosta or Beato though. No sense in losing someone when you don’t have to.
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merely having control of a player
who’s upside is pretty limited isn’t a great reason to keep him on the roster… similarly, just b/c a player has options left isn’t a good reason for demotion if he otherwise deserves a roster spot.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions
Sure but taking 5 innings of spring training ball
in which said 38 year old pitcher has a bleh 1:2 K:BB ratio isn’t enough to throw out the fact that the 29 year old pitcher threw 40 solid innings last season. The 29 year old has been worth -0.1 WAR since 2006 (and was 0.3 last season) while the 38 year old has been worth -0.7 WAR since 2006.
Not only will the 29 year old not retire next year but he’s had better recent success, not to mention the fact that he has improved in the past year, as his walks improved and his K’s jumped. His upside may be “limited” but it still is upside. Izzy had upside 15 years ago. Izzy has 0 upside for 2011 and beyond.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd trade the short term upside on
Izzy for anything I’d ever expect to get from Acosta in the long term. There’s far more reason to believe that 2010 was an aberration for Acosta, if anything. losing him is no loss (no pun intended) :)
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
.
There’s far more reason to believe that 2010 was an aberration for Acosta
How so?
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pretty garbage minor league career,
followed up by pretty lousy 08 and 09 before turning in an OK 39 innings in 2010. I wouldn’t put much stock in that.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He put up 0.3 WAR last season.
Prior to that he had put up 0.1, -0.5, and 0.0 in ‘07, ’08, and ’09 respectively. How was last year out of line? Yes, he struckout about 2/9 more and he walked about .5/9 less than his career numbers (only 153 Innings including last year’s 39), but that could be from actually learning how to be a pitcher and not just a thrower.
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wouldn't that beg the question
why the FO would want to keep a guy who’s really nothing but a replacement level player? Shouldn’t they be shooting a bit higher than that?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
When that replacement level player is making next to league minimum and showing some signs of improvement
there is value there. He was worth ~$1M last year; we payed him $400K-600K.
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I don't see the upside
to tie up a roster spot in him. Still feel a healthy Izzy is going to be more reliable.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
For 1 year MAYBE.
Since ‘07 Izzy has been worth 0.5 WAR (about 116 innings) but he’s most definitely on the down side of his career and will probably retire after this season.
’07: 0.7 WAR
’08: -0.3 WAR
’09: 0.0 WAR
’10: 5 IP in AAA.
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But Izzy hasn't been worth that much since 2007.
That’s a leap of faith saying that Izzy will be worth 0.3 WAR. A much larger leap of faith than Acosta who’s still relatively young, has good stuff and actually put up 0.3 WAR a year ago.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean certainly
it’d be nice to have an entire bullpen of 7 guys making the big league minimum with 1.5 WAR apiece but this is real life. A guy like Acosta who gets outs and isn’t making much money is a valuable commodity and would be a key piece in most pens. Replacement level isn’t necessarily a bad thing, especially with bullpen relievers and guys like this who make the minimum. The highest WAR in baseball was Carlos Marmol’s 3.1 with the Cubs, so it’s not like there’s a ton of WAR value in relievers. Acosta’s .3 WAR was worth 1 million dollars last season according to Fangraphs.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
His minor league numbers are poor but you can
toss out what he did as a starter in the Yankees organization. Since switching to the pen in late 2003, his overall numbers have seen improvement. His worst attribute are the walks which have always been high and still are to this day. However, in 2010 he had the lowest walk rates of his career both in Buffalo and the Majors. In AAA, his walk rate was 3.7 BB/9, improved from the 4.3 BB/9 in the Braves system in 09 and in the majors his walk rate stood at 4.1. Both are still a little high but are an improvement from what he’d previously done.
Progress is progress and even a tiny bit of improvement in his BB/9 should be looked at as a positive step for a pitcher who has always had excellent stuff. If he could improve that BB/9 rate into the mid to low 3’s, you could be looking at a dominant reliever, especially if he keeps that K rate as high as it was last year.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
same could be said of a lot of
middle relievers.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
True but we're talking Acosta vs Izzy here.
And Acosta has shown slight improvement, while Izzy’s been on the shelf since 2008.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
of course.
it’s all predicated on the idea that Izzy is good to go at full strength.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
do you think
you can browbeat me into changing my opinion of Manny Acosta?? LOL
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I gave you my opinion.
What more do you want from me?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Anytime anybody shows you numbers and facts
to back something up, your response is always, “nope, numbers aren’t important. My opinion matters more than facts.”
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
oh now you're just making up crap
to support your dopey hypothesis. this is how you deal with people who don’t share your opinion??
My opinion is that Acosta doesn’t have much upside. I supported that by saying that his rather long minor league career was spotty at best and he’s been nothing but a replacement level player in some limited ML time over the past few years. I don’t think there’s much there in the way of potential to tie a roster spot up in.
If that’s not enough for you, you’ll have to find some way to deal with it.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And when people show you that there is considerable value in a replacement level player making around the league minimun who is 29
versus a 38 year old with a history of injuries and recent replacement level performance you ignore it or say “I have my opinion and I’ve said all I need to say”.
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why cause Fangraphs said so...?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What can a fan tell me about baseball!!!1!
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 15, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
ya know what?
just email me the Sabr group-think on everything and I’ll just follow along…
k?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm...dopey hypothesis?
You're great at dealing with people who don't share your opinion.
I understand your opinion but it doesn’t make sense, especially since Isringhausen is 38. A 38 year old reliever has no upside. A 29 year old with improving walk totals who’s cheap does.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I blame Beltran!
If he wasn’t so selfish, you guys wouldn’t be spending so many bits discussing the battle of the last meaningless reliever Acostalypse vs Izzy.
We need real baseball now, not 3 weeks from now.
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if you want to look at it from the upside angle, who would you think has more potential future value to the team
A 29 year old relief pitcher who showed some improvement last year in his walk rates, has a great K rate, and has had a great spring so far, or a 38 year old pitcher who has had injury concerns, has substandard velocity in spring, and isn’t missing many bats.
I’d put my money on upside in the young, cheap guy who has showed at least a glimmer of hope of improving, as opposed to the old guy who’s trending in the opposite direction.
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 15, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's my guess on TGFHR's answer:
Blah blah blah blah numbers aren’t important unless they point towards my side of the argument blah blah blah blah.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ok, I'm 12 so I'm going to reply with mistermet's
answer:
“I demand that you tell me what evidence do you have that Izzy will have a better WAR than Acosta in 2011!”
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm.
ok, I’m 12
I had a feeling.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Since WAR is reflective of what actually happens on the field
I fail to see your point…
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 15, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh here we go....
hah hah hah hah… this is too good.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That "I'm 12" thing is looking truer and truer.
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 15, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It really does.
It’s interesting…if it was me and I really didn’t agree that logic, stats and facts were important, like he’s demonstrating in this thread, why would I be on this website? If I didn’t think they were important, I’d likely be on another website.
The only thing I could come up with is that he’s just trying to troll around here and create conflict.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
man, it really steams you
that I don;t agree with you.
You’re just re-packaging subjective evidence and calling objective evidence… but it’s just past results that often fluctuate wildly and are subject to human analysis and opinion in the end.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah
I’m just saying what I’d do if I was in your situation. I frankly don’t give a damn what you think. They’re your notions…doesn’t do me any difference if they are preconceived.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really haven't
seen someone as full of themselves as you are in quite a while.
give yourself a pat on the back.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No thanks.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but I'm trolling
cause I posted this
ok. sure.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
this
merely having control of a player
who’s upside is pretty limited isn’t a great reason to keep him on the roster… similarly, just b/c a player has options left isn’t a good reason for demotion if he otherwise deserves a roster spot.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess
you have some sort of odd fascination with me.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't flatter yourself.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey, it is
kind of amusing… and that when you get frustrated enough you eventually resort to throwing out the troll label.
It is interesting how people behave behind the comfort and anonymity of their keyboards… fwiw.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta run.
nice chatting w/you.
Stay in touch.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
meanwhile,
everyplace I post something you run after me to get into an argument.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You seem a little
paranoid.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how's that?
cause I’d prefer if you take you personal attacks elsewhere… and not run after me to insist that I agree with you?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean?
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
whatever.
you cannot disassociate yourself from your behavior. our behavior ultimately defines us, not how we view ourselves or how we may label ourselves.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You seem to be arguing with yourself.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe if you stopped writing things that are irational
we’d stop disagreeing with you.
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 15, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
all you keep
saying is that I must interpret data and reach the same conclusion as you do and if I don’t then you will attempt to ostracize me. that past performance data must yield future results according to some formula that I must accept… well that’s simply false and yes part of this process involves making projections based on (gasp!) sentiment and feelings sometimes based on (gasp again) observation and experience.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 16, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
What possible sentiment or observation could lead you to believe with any amount of certainty that Izzy will have a better year(s) than Acosta beside illogical ones?
Past performance? Nope.
Projections? Nope
Age? Nope.
ST performance? Nope.
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 16, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You forgot the most important one...
his gut. Apparently, he’s got a magical digestive system.
Duh!
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 16, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
just wondering if
you stalk other posters and force yourself into inane arguments over minutiae in which you state your opinions as the law of the land?
it certainly does seem like you have an obsession with me.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 16, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't talking to you.
Talking about the pot calling the kettle black. You come on here to reply to a post that wasn’t even addressed to you. I wonder if you’ve got some infatuation with me.
Go back to school, 12 year old.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 16, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
seriously,
you’ve been stalking me all over thread. What’s the deal?
I guess it’s just a personality disorder.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 16, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 16, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 16, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
you really think the FO
is going to decide the last pen spot(s) based on the last 3 yrs WAR?!? c’mon, you cannot seriously believe that.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
you think they'll decide based on a gut feeling isringhausen will somehow find his way back to form?
I find that fairly unlikely as well. Don’t get me wrong. I’d love it if Izzy pitched his way to a bullpen spot and finished his career out with the Mets, but he just hasn’t earned that spot in any way I can see.
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 15, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean, if he
doesn;t earn it, he doesnt earn it. But I doubt that conclusion has been drawn yet.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
the way I see it
the last few years Acosta has been better, this spring Acosta has been better, Acosta is 10 years younger, and Izzy doesn’t have the velocity back yet to be effective. Maybe he’ll find it again before ST is over, but right now I’d give the clear edge to Acosta. Theres still spring left, but all signs point to Acosta being the better choice of the two as far as I can tell
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 15, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
38.
He’ll be 39 in September.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Right.
But what is full strength for Izzy in 2011? Is full strength a replication of his seasons in 2002, 2004, 2005 or 2007 when he had a positive WAR? Or is full strength the 38 year old version of Izzy who’ll likely throw up a negative WAR and not be very good?
If he could replicate even his 2007, which was fluky good, then sure…that’d be a positive over Acosta. But I don’t know if that’s likely at this time. He’s coming off his 3rd TJ surgery and he’s 38 years old. I doubt the surgery prevents him from aging.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
What constitutes progress in your mind?
I’m curious to see what would be adequate progress for Acosta. Or do you just flat out despise him and nothing we say will make you understand that he has value?
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
this is really not something
worthy of beating to death. I pretty much covered what there is to say on the subject I think…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
.
I pretty much covered what there is to say on the subject I think…
That you’ll ignore hard evidence that says you are mistaken?
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hard evidence?
you’ll really try anything to argue with me…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It's merely a question.
I’m just curious…not trying to provoke anything. I just want to know where you come from on this issue that you chimed in on, completely unprovoked.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You said
this.
So tell me…what constitutes progress? Or do you just have a blind hatred of Manny Acosta?
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think all you have to really do
is watch Izzy pitch so far. It’s only a few innings, but he’s not throwing very hard, and he’s not missing bats. Acosta is. If you’re somehow holding on to the idea that Izzy will rediscover some magic, that’s very wishful thinking, and it’s not being objective. He’s just not what he was, and he’s not going to be what he was at age 38.
by David G on Mar 15, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
And a rec for you sir.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
your progress
is another’s aberration.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And way to prove my point and ignore the numbers.
Give me fucking break.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've asked you several times
to give me a fucking break.
another one who thinks he’s going to browbeat me into agreeing with him… unreal.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It's funny how you accuse those you are showing numbers and facts of browbeating
when you’re relying on sentiment.
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sorry, if I can't put much
stock in what Manny Acosta did in 39 IP last season as your way of proving his “progression.” There’s no numbers you can use to prove that he will build on that. I said it way at the beginning of this absurdity that I see that as more of an aberration. That’s my opinion.
I frankly couldn’t care less about what he did in the past and would only be concerned about what he is likely to do in the future. And I don;t think he has the talent to be very good in the future based in what I;ve seen of him.
If you call that sentiment and chose to ostracize me for not putting everything I write in terms of WAR, feel free. I owe you nothing.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You keep throwing out 39 innings when he has 153.2 innings of major league experience that says he's perfectly replacement level.
So even if his ’10 was “an aberration” he still has value.
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I'm still waiting for you to let me know
what proof their is that Izzy can have a better season than Acosta. There’s nothing in the numbers, in previous seasons, in ST or in Izzy’s stuff that proves this point.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
proof?
are you out of your fucking mind?
I should “prove” to you how a 2011 season is going to turn out???
yeah, ok…. got it. let me know when you get the tin foil off your head.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Tin foil?
WTF are you talking about?
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What numbers and facts prove that Isringhausen has a chance to be
better than Acosta in 2011?
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
hatred?
Are you out of your mind? I couldn’t possibly care enough about the guy to hate him. Where do you come up with this shit from?
As a pitcher I think he sucks… puts way too many runners on to be an effective RP… totally unreliable… he’s garbage… being cheap garbage doesn;t change the fact that he’s garbage and more than likely will remain garbage.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And this is where you ignore all the evidence.
He’s not garbage though, he’s replacement level. There’s a big difference.
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 15, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Acosta's not replacement level.
He’s not sensational, but you simply can’t reach into AAA and find any number of guys who can put up his numbers at the major league level. He’s consistent, among other things. Replacement level players are rarely consistent. His career WHI is under 1.40 and he Ks 8+/9. You fill a staff with pitchers with those numbers and they’ll surely win over 30% of their games even with a replacement level offense.
by Brian Singer on Mar 15, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd hope so
a team winning less than 30% of their games would be giving the Mets record for worst season a run for its money
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 15, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It depends who you look at.
His career fWAR over 153.2 major league innings is -0.1.
BRef is much more favorable at 1.4.
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 15, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you want to ignore the evidence and call a decent reliever garbage
go over to Metsmerized. They’ll be happy to have you.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
ever watch a baseball game?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I've watched many baseball games and seen Manny Acosta pitch many times
with the Mets. The human memory has a way of shrouding the truth and stats inform us of what our memory changes.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
How'd you do it, Ogre?
I'm too scared to go out!
I need my spreadsheets now!
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I was able to make a rudimentary sun umbrella out of popsicle sticks and french fry trays.
But for most of the game is was rocking back and forth clutching my calculator.
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My word
you are so brave!
Sometimes when I want to go outside, I’ll open up a window and stick my head out.
That's really scary.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you drink beer while satching said games?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 15, 2011 8:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you go to Metsmerized.
if you don’t approve of my opinions. You’re free to ignore me.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
keep going bud.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
you keep picking a fight
with me everywhere. You should think about your own conduct buddy. You evidently believe that you control the dialogue here… it’s evident all over this place.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing that is evident
is your attachment to your irrational preconceived notions that fly in the face of objective evidence.
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ha ha ha ha ha
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by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This is called using evidence.
Something we do here at Amazin’ Avenue. If you don’t want to use evidence and logic, then that’s fine but you can’t expect people to agree with you (especially when they use evidence and logic for their arguments).
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
now you can pretty much
count on me providing you personally with my very sentimental opinions about all the great things that you hold near and dear going forward.
Cheers.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
past results
are no guarantee of future performance.
Words to live by.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
But that's even more evidence against Isringhausen!!!
The only Izzy has to rely on are past results!
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
damn you beat me to it
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 15, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Great minds...
do…something….alike?
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
and so do we?
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 15, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and a healthy Izzy
is probably more likely even at 38! to perform better than Manny flippin Acosta…
if we were talking about a guy who has projection, that would be a totally different story, but Acosta has no projection… what, his ceiling is a replacement level player. oh god….
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
How can his ceiling be the very thing he's been for the last 4 years?
If anything his ceiling is a very reliable middle reliever who SO’s a ton of guys using his good velocity.
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 15, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He likely won't ever reach that, but he's a dependably replacement level pitcher.
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 15, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But that just sounds like a pipe dream to me
and nothing backs that up. If you look at the facts, they only disprove that further.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you want to go with projected upside
Marcel Projections for 2011
Manny Acosta:
FIP: 3.98
K/9: 7.71
BB/9: 3.67
Jason Isringhausen:
FIP 4.39
K/9: 6.58
BB/9: 3.46
so projected value next year goes to Acosta by a bit
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 15, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
*The only thing Izzy has to rely on
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
no. no it's not.
using past results which in this case can fluctuate pretty dramatically, in order to attempt to prove/forecast future performance, only represents what is best described as an informed projection…. projections like the one’s we’re talking about have personal bias involved… even computer generated projections are still just projections.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Who can reasonably be expected to have a better year(s)?:
Pitcher_A: 38 years old with a long history of injuries and -0.1 WAR over the last 5 seasons he’s played (and didn’t play at all at the major league level last year)
or
Pitcher_B: A 29 year old who has -0.1 WAR over his only 4 years in the majors with apparently improving K/9 and BB/9 numbers
?
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 15, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So let's see if I got this...maybe I'm a little slow here.
Izzy’s been worth -0.7 WAR for the past four seasons but lets forget those facts…he’s magically going to improve at age 38? And Acosta has been replacement level the last four seasons but he’s garbage?
What am I missing here? Acosta’s the better choice today, tomorrow and next year.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
no way
the Mets choose Manny freakin Acosta over a healthy Izzy.
nope, don’t see it.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is:
you’re opinion > facts?
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 15, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
and you actually
think the Mets are going to chose their RPs by WAR??? ok.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What else do you want to go by?
FIP? K/9? BB/9?
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 15, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
covered that above
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 15, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
how about projection of
talent.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i covered that above
neither one is a gem, but Acosta projects better
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 15, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
depends on whose
projection you’re using.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you miss KeithsMoustache's post above?
here is it again:
If you want to go with projected upside
Marcel Projections for 2011
Manny Acosta:
FIP: 3.98
K/9: 7.71
BB/9: 3.67
Jason Isringhausen:
FIP 4.39
K/9: 6.58
BB/9: 3.46
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 15, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bill James
has Acosta:
FIP: 4.58
K/9: 8
BB/9: 5.33
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
but he doesn't project Izzy at all
so there was nothing to compare to. Can’t mix and match between projection systems
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 15, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
understood, in the narrowest
esoteric terms that we’re speaking at the moment. appreciate you remaining outside the douchebag circle btw…
still, James’ projection isn;t very flattering.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah the projection isn't world-beating, but then again, I never claimed Acosta was anything special
just that he’s probably got more left in the tank than Izzy does. Wish it wern’t true. I’d love for Izzy to have his swan song with us in the pen, but he just hasn’t shown he’s the best choice.
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 15, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
you keep saying that.
what do you mean? By all accounts I’ve heard he’s been pretty impressive.
It all comes down to whether we’ll get the ‘07 Izzy or ’08 version assuming he’s healthy. If he looks good now, I’d rather take my chances on that than the known garbage, Acosta.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't think calling acosta garbage is really fair
he’s been pretty much the definition of mediocre. Not a glowing review, but still garbage is harsh.
As for Izzy, he has had a good bounceback spring, there is no denying that, but he’s not really missing bats much and thus not striking anyone out. His strong performance so far has been due to a really low batting average on balls in play (.143 if my calculations are correct). That is probably not sustainable. The way his pitching has looked so far he’d probably project as at best a mediocre middle reliever, same as acosta. However Acosta has better K/9 and BB/9 this spring, and is younger and less injury prone. I just see Acosta as the smarter choice.
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 15, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'll take Blaine Boyer over Acosta
BJames on Boyer:
FIP: 3.9
K/9: 7.2
BB/9: 4.2
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got no problem with Boyer
I just chipped in my 2 cents on Izzy vs Acosta
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 15, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
with one of the most statistically progressive front offices in baseball
i doubt those kinds of numbers escape their notice
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 15, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Should they go by their gut?
That worked well with Manuel
and Minaya!
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
how'd it work out with Dickey?
oh wait, I know that was just luck.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 15, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
How'd that work with 20 other crappy pitchers?
Ollie? Livan?
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 15, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So Brian Lawrence,
Jose Lima
Jeremi Gonzalez
Livan Hernandez
Dave Williams
Jorge Sosa
Chan Ho Park
Aaron Sele
Claudio Vargas
Brandon Knight
Tony Armas
all were just calculated, stewed over maneuvers that failed? Yeah right.
Omar picked up all those guys because he had heard of them, they had big league experience and they’d sign minor league deals and the same goes with Dickey. We just happened to get lucky that Dickey is hitting his prime with the Knuckler.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 15, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Livan and Sosa object
to being on that list. Livan was a perfectly cromulent fifth starter while a Met, and Jorge was even better than that. I’ll give you the other guys, but for scrap heap pickups both of them were just fine.
by Brian Singer on Mar 21, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
What's so fun about calling a perfectly adequate players horrible players?
What’s so fun about categorizing players based off of limited exposure and misleading experiences?
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 15, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gee has pitched well
but with the signing of Young and Capuano and both pitching decent he is probably left out
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
Lujan not far from making it
I think he is less than a season away
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
I still don't get why De La Torre didn't get a shot
I think it’s heightism.
My FINAL 2011 Mets bullpen prediction du jour: solving the Acosta vs. Izzy debate
- K-Rod
- Parnell
- Bucholz
- Carrasco
- Beato
- Byrdak
- Misch
"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
I suspect we'll have to replace half of the pen and 2/5 of the rotation by June 15th.
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Thanks to Alderson
even if that does happen, we might actually be able to do that and not have it end up horribly.
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Right.
Picking up half a dozen decent pitchers in season for zero dollars?
Not a problem for SuperSandy!!!
by Brian Singer on Mar 29, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm actually feeling better about our pen than our rotation
"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
me too Russ, as long as Fail Rod's $17MM vest doesn't opt
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by feslenraster on Mar 15, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Injuries and ineffectiveness can take turns.
Then they might move some guys from the pen (Misch/Carrasco) to the rotation and fill the holes with other replacement middle relievers.
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just to add Russ--I don't think Misch is going to make it
even as another LOOGY….just a gut instinct, nothing more.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Mar 15, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Misch doesn't really cut it as a LOOGY
His platoon splits are not very significant.
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The above insane argument was awesome
There were so many consecutive replies that it got to the point where my phone was only showing one word per line because everything was shifted over to the right so much.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 15, 2011 8:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
seriously!
I came to AA looking for a game threat, but instead I found the most awesome thread ever. And the best part is that in 6 months, we’ll look back on thie and realize that we killed a day debating the relative merits of Izzy and Acosta. ST debates rule.
by xnumberoneson on Mar 15, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a good thing things didn't devolve
into a troll Francoeur leverage index battle. That was an amazing thread/argument.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 15, 2011 10:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, you can't have been here long if this fairly mild back and forth
counts as most awesome thread ever.
yeah this remained remarkably civil all things considered
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 16, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You'll be called a spreadsheet jockey and like it!
Now go back to mom’s basement and do more research.
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Mar 16, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's debate the best choice for 2b
using nothing but esoteric stats!
by Brian Singer on Mar 21, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
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