The Sunday New York Times Trolls Mets Fans
by Sam Page on Mar 26, 2011 6:40 PM EDT
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1. Glorifying David Eckstein
David Eckstein is one player whose contribution far exceeded his talent. A walk-on in college and a 19th-round draft pick, he still managed to make the postseason in 4 of his 10 major league seasons, played on two championship teams and was the most valuable player of the 2006 World Series.
2. Ripping on Carlos Beltran
On the other end of the spectrum one might find Carlos Beltran, a four-time All-Star with the Mets. While he recovered from knee surgery last year, they won 48 of their first 88 games, and were only four games out of the National League East lead at the All-Star break. Then Beltran rejoined the team. The Mets went 31-43 (.419) the rest of the way and finished 18 games out of first place.
3. Claiming Ruben Tejada is better than David Wright
On the other hand, the Mets went 42-36 (.538) with Ruben Tejada, the team's highest winning percentage among position players with extended time on the field. Ike Davis had the best winning percentage at .503 (74-73); only David Wright was on the field for more Mets victories (75).
4. Contradicting your rookies-over-veteran calculus in the very next paragraph
Baseball insiders cite factors like cohesion, rhythm and percentages to defend the idea of sticking with tried-and-true players. They argue, with some justification, that baseball involves failure and that players need time to work through it.
5. Mentioning Derek Jeter's rings
The Yankees' Derek Jeter, who has won five championships, is coming off the worst offensive season of his 16-year career.
6. Claiming Brett Gardner is better than Alex Rodriguez
No matter where Gardner bats, he should play; the Yankees were 93-57 (.620) with him in the lineup, and 2-10 without him. They seemed to get along just fine (21-4) without Alex Rodriguez. In the games Jeter played, the Yankees were 92-65.
7. Whatever this is
On-base percentage was not valued in the 1940s and '50s, and that is the point.
Seriously, New York Times, you were one mention each of Bobby Bonilla's deferred money, Bernie Madoff, Doc Gooden's drug abuse, and the 2007 Phillies from causing a massive run of blue and orange on your offices. This looks like a parody article we would have put on grission.com.
My advice to the Times would be to pull the article now before the Sunday papers hit newsstands and replace it with one of Jayson Blair's greatest hits.
[Note by Sam Page, 03/26/11 8:01 PM EDT ] joma16 adds in the comments:
Here are a few Mets players and how they performed during the second half (or until they were traded/released)
Jeff Francoeur: .194/.268/.306, 123 PA
Alex Cora: .095/.136/.143, 22 PA
Ruben Tejada: .210/.310/.298, 147 PA
Rod Barajas: .105/.150/.263, 20 PA
Henry Blanco: .125/.167/.143, 60 PA
Luis Castillo: .226/.322/.255, 125 PA
Mike Hessman: .127/.262/.255, 65 PA
Jesus Feliciano: .170/.250/.208, 61 PA
Fernando Martinez: .167/.273/.167, 22 PA
Lucas Duda: .202/.261/.417, 92 PA
Luis Hernandez: .250/.298/.409, 47 PA
Joaquin Arias: .200/.250/.233, 33 PACarlos "Unclutch Loser" Beltran hit .255/.341/.427 with a 109 OPS+. Yep totally his fault it wasn't that they gave 817 plate appearances to 12 terrible baseball players. #blamebeltran
Well said.
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I guess we know what Murray Chass's new penname is now
Tricky bastard, getting a column in the New York Times again. We’re onto you.
by dcmetsfan on Mar 26, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
oh man i thought i surely would have seen
“Lets be honest mets fans, Bobby Jones just wasnt that good.”
I hate Philadelphia so much.
i stand corrected the title of the article
is one Swagger=Winz=Ringz statement away from being NY Yankee and Philthy felatio.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Mar 26, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, that was terrible.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 26, 2011 6:51 PM EDT reply actions
It's amazing how they link to Eckstein's B-R page
to reveal year WARs of just over 1.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
More importantly...
Someone around here made grission.com? Awesome.
by Gorfax on Mar 26, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, Sam
It’s getting done up FJM-style like I did with Heyman.
Is it any surprise the Times rags on the Mets? How many front-page stories have they squeezed out of l’affaire Madoff? They’re as far up the Yankees butts as it’s possible to be without hitting hitting the colon (or Colon or whoever just made the back end of the Bombers’ jerry-rigged-but-full-of-“winners” rotation).
This is absolutely one of the worst excuses for an 'article' I've ever seen any paper run.
Mike Tully, you truly are an idiot.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 26, 2011 7:13 PM EDT reply actions
Well, it's the New York Times, after all.
Though I admit I check in on them on occasion to see what they want me to think the “news” is.
by Brian Singer on Mar 27, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The key to this whole thing is at the very end
Mike Tully, former baseball writer
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by fxcarden on Mar 26, 2011 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Are you shitting me
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
Complete waste of time to do this but...
Here are a few Mets players and how they performed during the second half (or until they were traded/released)
Jeff Francoeur: .194/.268/.306, 123 PA
Alex Cora: .095/.136/.143, 22 PA
Ruben Tejada: .210/.310/.298, 147 PA
Rod Barajas: .105/.150/.263, 20 PA
Henry Blanco: .125/.167/.143, 60 PA
Luis Castillo: .226/.322/.255, 125 PA
Mike Hessman: .127/.262/.255, 65 PA
Jesus Feliciano: .170/.250/.208, 61 PA
Fernando Martinez: .167/.273/.167, 22 PA
Lucas Duda: .202/.261/.417, 92 PA
Luis Hernandez: .250/.298/.409, 47 PA
Joaquin Arias: .200/.250/.233, 33 PA
Carlos “Unclutch Loser” Beltran hit .255/.341/.427 with a 109 OPS+. Yep totally his fault it wasn’t that they gave 817 plate appearances to 12 terrible baseball players. #blamebeltran
by joma16 on Mar 26, 2011 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 40 recs
well done, sir
I salute you
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Oh my goodness.
This is awful personified.
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Mar 26, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But he was supposed to make them better, haha.
Green for you, my friend.
by Five-Tool Tool on Mar 26, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
nicely done
proud member of the fire Brian Schottenheimer club
"Grunt and Punt offense"
by Jadden Hopkins on Mar 26, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
but what were the win-loss records when each of them played?
that is the only thing that matters, not new-fangled stats like OBP.
by -ben- on Mar 26, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pwnage.
Even though it's still Beltran's fault. Great players win despite being saddled with shitty teammates.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 26, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Just look at A-Rod, Cano, and Teixeira winning despite Jeter.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
by Ogre39666 on Mar 26, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Is that you
Steve Phillips?
‘The Mets will never win with Carlos Beltran’.
One good think this season. Any Sunday night ESPN Met games that are broadcast – Steve Phillips is just a distant memory.
by MetsFan4Decades on Mar 27, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Proud to be number 27, good sir.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Mar 27, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
respect sir.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
35 recs
I do believe we have a new record.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 27, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The most recs I can remember a single response getting was something like 44
Still got a little ways to go, if that even is the record holder.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody needs to assemble the AA Record Book.
Most recs on a comment, most recs on a post, most individual posts in a non-game thread, most individual posts in a game thread, etc.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 27, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I recently got 78 recs on one comment over at NetsDaily, got me wondering what the record is here.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Mar 28, 2011 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions
was it directed at lupojohn3 ?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by fxcarden on Mar 28, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
but he led the clubhouse in uplifting smiles
Jeff Francoeur: .194/.268/.306, 123 PA
I hate Philadelphia so much.
i do like his beard :)
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Fuuuuuuuuuuckkkkk the Times.
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Mar 26, 2011 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
That is absolute drivel.
I feel like ‘Former Baseball Writer’ Mike Tully, in his idiocy, thinks he has made a massive breakthrough.
This sums it up...
by AF86 on Mar 26, 2011 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
one of the single greatest scenes in comedy ever right there
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 27, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
brilliant.
simply brilliant.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Dude has a
Now I truly wonder what his intentions are. My guess is to drive traffic to his blog.
by aparkermarshall on Mar 26, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
That's something
That the New York Post would reject
Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
by Aidan Gibson on Mar 26, 2011 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
The Times sometimes makes weird attempts to feature the take of “everyday people,” which I’m guessing is how this “former baseball writer” and blogger got his piece approved. (There was a small business guy, for example, which would be a great perspective, except the guy’s main point in writing his column seemed to be to stress how much it cost him when his employees decided they needed to actually take a sick day, the horrors. )
It’s like they know their newspaper voice has some shortfalls, but the way they try to compensate just turns out to be horrifying.
Here's another baseball example from October
Which Team Has World Series-Winning Characteristics?
In which the authors use W-L record of the teams’ top 2 starting pitchers, batting average and fielding percentage to predict the World Series champion.
by James Kannengieser on Mar 26, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If I may add to the stat barrage... (Non-Met addition)
Similarly, Texas was 71-62 (.534) with Josh Hamilton, the American League M.V.P., in the lineup. He finished behind several fellow position players: Ian Kinsler (.592), Elvis Andrus (.568), David Murphy (.565) and Michael Young (.561).
2010 WAR:
Hamilton 8.0
Kinsler: 3.2
Andrus: 1.5
Murphy: 2.0
Young: 2.7
Nelson “Shitty Loser” Cruz 5.0 (team went 55-53 with him in the lineup, so he must suck!)
Rangers in August: 13-15, Josh Hamilton OPS: 1.078
Rangers in April: 11-12, Hamilton OPS: .845
Rangers in July: 14-13, Hamilton OPS: 1.172
Rangers in May: 15-12, Hamilton OPS: .826
Rangers in June: 21-6, Hamilton OPS: 1.297
Yeah, screw that guy….
by Five-Tool Tool on Mar 26, 2011 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
The winz don't lie my friend
2010 Mariners with Ichiro: 61-101
2001 Mariners with Ichiro: 111-46
Something just doesn’t add up…
by joma16 on Mar 26, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Not to be this guy
but didn’t the 2001 Mariners go 116-46?
"Anybody with ability can play in the big leagues. But to be able to trick people year in and year out the way I did, I think that was a much greater feat." -Bob Uecker
"Who is the girl in the dugout, with the long hair? What's going on here? You have got to be kidding me. Only player personnel in the dugout. I won't say that women belong in the kitchen, but they don't belong in the dugout." -Kieth Hernandez
They did.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 26, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If Ichiro! had the M's best interests at heart
he would have benched himself for the entire season and watched them go 162-0.
Loser.
by Brian Singer on Mar 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes
But Ichiro didn’t play all 162 games. He missed 5, and the Mariners won them all. joma16’s comment stands.
by James Kannengieser on Mar 26, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Sam Page, what a hatchet job you've done on the NY Times article
What you’ve done is misrepresented that article, made that into a Mets trashing article when it was a generalized article about success in sports through maximizing the intangibles that build winners.
The Title of the article was: “To Create a Winner, You Have to Find the Winners.” It says: " The consistent winner is not always the fastest runner or the hardest shot. It’s the person who can read the subtleties of the game and knows when certain actions can make a difference. It’s the person who involves and inspires teammates, creating emotion or a sense of mission. "
It talks about women’s college soccer, David Eckstein, Ruben Tejada, Carlos Pena, Brandon Ryan, Eddie Stanky and many others illuminating their virtues. To make this into an attack on the Mets as if this was the premise of this article, is very disingenuous. And I say that as someone who’s soured on the NY Times but cares about accuracy in reporting, and that includes blogs such as this misrepresenting the Times article.
Even if Sam is off-base
by suggesting there’s an anti-Mets bias in the article, it’s still a really shitty article. Anyone who suggests using team winning % to judge the value of an individual player (especially in baseball) knows nothing about the game. To go so far as to infer that David Eckstiein is somehow a ‘winner’ by virtue of having to WS rings, and it thus a better player than Carlos Beltran, which defies all statistical evidence.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 26, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm happy to cut Sam slack here.
Given the site (not “blog”) on which he posted it I read it as “The Sunday New York Times Trolls Mets Fans of the Amazin’ Avenue Type”, seeing as Tully’s article is both woefully ignorant and manages to push the buttons of a lot of folks who frequent this site.
There might be useful arguments to be made supporting Tully’s conclusions but Tully sure as hell doesn’t make them. Instead he spouts the usual tripe that tends to irritate thinking fans.
by Brian Singer on Mar 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It's likely not an attack on the Mets
but I think the point Sam is trying to make is:
Is this article really telling you anything by saying that “this team had a .560 winning percentage when X player was playing, so he must be really important and the same team had a .420 winning percentage when Y player was playing, so he must be bad”? Is Ruben Tejada really more important to the Mets winning than David Wright or Ike Davis or is it just the showcasing the inherent issues of small sample size and luck? I think we can all objectively say that David Wright and Ike Davis are way more important to the Mets winning games, especially over Ruben Tejada. The article really serves no purpose, in that, especially in baseball, one player does not a team make. The Mets won 53.8% of their games when Tejada played, but what does that tell you? The only thing it proves is that the Mets won 53.8% of their games with Tejada in the lineup in 2010…it doesn’t give you any insight on what’ll happen in 2011, 2012, and beyond when Tejada is in the lineup.
Just a poor article filled with useless drivel.
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Mar 26, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this
I have no qualm with bashing the New York Mets (and have been known to dabble in same from time to time) but garbage is garbage and this article is just flat-out shit-stink garbage. That it’s published in the OLD GRAY LADY is just the icing.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Mar 27, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
what you need in order to make a winner is OF COURSE....
GRISSION :)
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Please extoll the virtues of having a
below replacement-level WAR shortstop like Ruben Tejada (I know he’s 20 but he’s still weak with the stick), a career 87 OPS+ player in David Eckstein, and a career 76 OPS+ player in Brendan Ryan. You’re actually insulting Eddie Stanky by lumping him with these guys (109 career OPS+).
The St. Louis Cardinals gave Brendan Ryan 489 PAs last year to the tune of a .223/.279/.294 split and 57 OPS+.
Hey, the Phillies went 67-44 when Wilson Valdez played! Gotta be the intangibles!
by Five-Tool Tool on Mar 27, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Where was Ryan mentioned?
I think Ryan was worse than Eckstein as a shortstop, but c’mon this is going too far. Eckstein does deserve to play somewhere in the league. Heck, if Theriot doesn’t workout, bring back the crowd favorite!
Valdez
Hey, the Phillies went 67-44 when Wilson Valdez played! Gotta be the intangibles!
please be quiet you’re giving them ideas!!
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Mar 27, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you rather have him at second
or the vortex of despair that a Castillo-Howard infield will produce?
Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
by Aidan Gibson on Mar 27, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
eh
Howard’s range is decent (“eyeball” test), it’s his arm that sucks.
I guess I’ll just wait for Utley’s return…
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Mar 27, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was the saddest friggin episode ever.
If I wasn’t a manly man, I would’ve cried.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 28, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Luck of the Fryish?
Yeah, those two leave me close to tears every time I watch ’em.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 28, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear Editors:
I write in regard to “To Create Winner…” published in your esteemed pages on March 26, 2011. In it, author Mike Tully references baseball players’ individual winning percentages; that is, the percentage of time their teams win when the players play, and then compared them to the the players’ teams’ overall winning percentage to see if that player was truly a winner.
Mr. Tully, therefore, probably knows that in 1927, George Herman (“Babe,” some called him) Ruth played in 151 games, sporting a .713 winning percentage (with one tie replayed without him). In the four games the Yankees played without Mr. Ruth’s presence in the lineup, the Yankees went 3-1 — a .750 winning percentage.
Perhaps one day, Mr. Tully will become an owner of a Major League Baseball franchise. If so, I am sure he will put this winning percentage knowledge to good use. For example, David Eckstein, who he adores, is an unsigned free agent, likely available at the league minimum of $414,000 and change. Carlos Beltran earns north of $10 million. With the savings, Mr. Tully can certainly afford to produce a Broadway show one day.
We hear “Spiderman: Turn Out The Lights” could use his help.
by Dan Lewis on Mar 26, 2011 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 14 recs
DDL
Did you ever know that you’re my hero?
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Mar 26, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
DDL
That you’re everything I wished that I could be?
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Mar 26, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Could you please actually send this to the Times?
If they printed it my week would be complete
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Mar 26, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaaaan greened
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 26, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
and greened
Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
by Aidan Gibson on Mar 26, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
this is pure genius
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengal
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my god
its so beautifl.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Mar 26, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by fxcarden on Mar 27, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaah
2001 and lolcatz…YAY!!
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Mar 27, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
The Times article
Ken Tremendous sums it up well.
by Mount17 on Mar 26, 2011 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
But but but
the best journalists work at the Times and there’s no debating that.
(here’s the link to the commercial this is from in case you haven’t seen it.)
Save Jenrry Mejia!
by Ogre39666 on Mar 26, 2011 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Tully's View is one only Dusty Baker could love
he apparently thinks a team would be better served having ruben tejada, brett gardner, david eckstein, david murphy, orlando cabrera and carlos pena than beltran, josh hamilton, a-rod, and joey votto. mr. tully: point taken!
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
I'd post the picture of Kirk screaming "KHAAAAAAN" again
but I don’t want it to reach saturation, so I won’t.
"Everything's gonna be awesome." -Ken Oberkfell
"ARSHAVIN IS MAGIC" -Brooks Peck
by Thomas Wachtel on Mar 26, 2011 11:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think everyone here is confused
What makes a great baseball player isn’t ability, its being in the right place at the right time.
by yosic on Mar 27, 2011 6:11 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
luck is a combination of opportunity and preparedness
If you’re not a good baseball player, you have neither.
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 27, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
right, so......
Tom Seaver sucked his whole career except for that one year.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
seaver on the mets
won despite his winz
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Mar 27, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
There are so many things to be negative about with the Mets. The things he brings up are absolutely idiotic and have no bearing on the good or bad that will happen this season or has happened. This, coming from a Braves guy.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
this is why I will never forgive Ken Tremendous for ending FJM
Drivel like this STILL gets published in the"paper of record".
Mark Cuban for owner! Save us from the Wilpons!
by Greenpoint Ian on Mar 27, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
this rises to the level
Demanding a SPECIAL EDITION: ONE NIGHT ONLY FJM comeback.
Using a position player’s winning percentages as a value metric is only a half-step up from reading the entrails of slaughtered animals to make trades or setting a lineup by Zodiac signs. This dude is literally making a mockery of statistics.
by hotspur on Mar 27, 2011 9:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
last gasps
I have nothing to add but really enjoyed your take-down of this piece of shit article.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
I think this sums up Mike Tully's outlook on baseball:
by Guy Allen Davis on Mar 27, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think that worked
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 27, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Benigno has tiger blood?
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Tully has the basic idea right . . .
But the specifics wrong. See, it is not players they should be looking at, but the fans. The Mets are an incredible 8-2 over the last ten games I have attended for teams that produced aggregately a .503 winning percentage. Now I’m not saying that giving me free season tickets and limo service to the games would definitely result in victories, but smart teams should pay attention. A pair of tickets and a limo would cost far less than the league minimum. Winning fans like goquakers show that it is important to be in the vicinity. An entire fan base of plus winning percentage fans would be unstoppable. Indeed, like all good statisticians, they will note that in the two losses, I drank soda, but in the wins I drank beer. So the sabremetrically oriented front office should ply me with tickets and beer.
by goquakers on Mar 27, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Your hypothesis seems sound enough
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey
it makes more sense than the article.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Could someone clear this up for me?
Maybe I’m not reading this right, but:
On the other hand, the Mets went 42-36 (.538) with Ruben Tejada, the team’s highest winning percentage among position players with extended time on the field. Ike Davis had the best winning percentage at .503 (74-73);
If the team’s highest winning percentage among players with extended time with Ruben Tejada at .538, then how does Ike Davis have the “best” winning percentage? Was Ike Davis not a position player with extended time? Am I missing something? Tejada has a higher win percentage than Ike, but Ike is the best? I do not understand this.
smoke and mirrors, my friend
and some of this, too….
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by fxcarden on Mar 27, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
haha we're so smart
and they’re so dumb.
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