Mets Opening Day Roster Nearly Finalized
by James Kannengieser on Mar 27, 2011 11:29 AM EDT
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PrintAccording to Jon Heyman:
It's not clear if Heyman is speculating or has a Mets source feeding him the info, but the language ("beato to make mets") suggests the latter. If he is correct, the Opening Day roster will look like this:
Bad news for Nick Evans, unless Carlos Beltran starts the season on the disabled list. Mike Nickeas is the backup catcher until Ronny Paulino returns from PED suspension and is deemed healthy enough to play. Heyman followed up his initial Tweet with another seemingly contradictory Tweet:
Heyman's world:
- Tim Byrdak, a LOOGY, has already made the team.
- The bench will have five players.
- The twelfth spot on the pitching staff will go to Blaine Boyer, Jason Isringhausen or Manny Acosta, three righthanded pitchers.
- The Mets are looking for a lefty reliever.
This doesn't add up. Given the bench, the Mets will carry seven relievers. Six are decided, with the seventh spot going to a righty. BUT, they are also looking for another lefty. What? Maybe Heyman doesn't have a source. Or multiple sources are feeding him inconsistent info and he doesn't realize it. Throw everything at the wall, see what sticks.
Let's try to make sense of it all. Willie Harris has been told he made the team, according to Adam Rubin. So the bench appears set. Based on all available info and simple deductive reasoning, Pedro Beato will head north with the big club. The final open roster spot is in the bullpen, and it will go to Boyer, Isringhausen, Acosta or some lefty.
On a different note, check out this brief article from The Onion, which is funny except for the part where Carlos Beltran is mentioned alongside the collapses of 2007 and 2008, trading Nolan Ryan and Frank Rodriguez assaulting his girlfriend's father. Booooooo The Onion, booooo, you're better than that!
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Does this mean
The end of Nick Evans? Just me but Willie Harris isn’t worth losing Evans.
Harris is a met killer and i want him on the team
Plus hes pretty much played solid d this entire st and crushed the ball. Evans has been slightly above average on the field but last time i looked ok at the plate.
Its my opinion he never really had a shot. He’ll be picked up somewhere else and he’ll join the long line of fan favorites who left before his time with the Mets.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Mar 27, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Evans, whoever that is, he has decent platoon splits against those lefties, and can be a serviceable corner outfielder/corner infielder, but nothing about him really jumps out at me, either his defense or his offense. Plus, Murphy also exists, and plays those same positions, plus 2B (however green), a little better. Harris, he’s a net positive defensive outfielder, even though his defense has been trending downwards, and offensively, he’s not that bad. I mean, think of it like this: His offensive numbers over the last three years have more or less stayed the same if you ignore his horrid .183 batting average last season because of an insane .199 BABIP. He’s a .270-.280 hitter, gets on base at a decent clip, and has a little pop, and can give you 10 HR or so. If the defense isn’t fully there, and he’s giving you that offense, that’s worth about 1 WAR or so over a full season, which I don’t think is bad for a fourth/fifth outfielder. If the defense is there, that’d be around 3 WAR, which seems really, really good for a fourth/fifth outfielder. I’m not saying, if the defense is there, that he’ll be worth 3 WAR as a fourth/fifth outfielder, but that he’s not going to be a Corey Sullivan/Jeremy Reed on the bench.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed and
as much as we all like Dr. Who, we still don’t know that he can actually do replicate what Harris has done in the majors. He’s still a huge question mark…his minor league numbers are great but in Harris, we have more of a known quantity with the bat and he’s not really a bad hitter. Personally, I still think I would’ve gone with Harris and Evans and dumped Hairston (at least before ST, anyway) but I see why they’d want Harris over Evans. Plus, I think Harris is a character guy and though chemistry is way overrated in baseball, I think in this situation, having it is nice. Sort of a tiebreaker between the two (and not that Evans isn’t a character guy, but Harris just seems like the leader type).
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Harris can also play CF and fake 2B.
I’m sure that factored in. Managers love a guy who can play 7 positions. It lets them fall asleep at night dreaming of triple switches.
by Brian Singer on Mar 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah definitely a positive
for the manager and can be beneficial late in games, especially in extra innings and such.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
You mean David Wright won’t be taken out of games in extra innings for the purpose of roster flexibility? Sacrilege!
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
That reminds me...
who’s the emergency catcher on this team? No more Tatis and with bullpen catcher Nick Evans likely to not make the club, I don’t know who else could catch. Whoever it is should take DW’s spot in games so we can keep the emergency catcher in.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Has Murphy ever caught?
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 27, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
According to B-ref,
not in a game. Their minor league data doesn’t show him catching there, either. He must have done it somewhere, though: guy’s just don’t offer to play such a difficult position.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 27, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
we have Harris on a minor league deal, don't know why we won't at least delay the inevitable
and give evans a try.
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 27, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He does have an out clause
but I’m with you guys. Not losing Evans > not losing Harris.
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I'll be relatively shocked
if they let Evans walk after giving him so much PT this Spring and him answering the bell each time so to speak.
A good comp for Evans is Mike Morse and altho Morse knocked around for a while before finally sort of establishing himself as a pretty solid 4th OFer type last year, I think Evans is on that same track. There’s a place for someone like that on almost any organization, especially at 25. If Evans were 32 or 33, I’d say he could have a hard time finding a role somewhere, but he has the skills to play somewhere now and be productive.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
wow..
no fractional WAR arguments? no Nick Evans hasn’t made it for a reason arguments? hmmmmm….
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Harris needs to be on team
Harris has played well and hit like a monster….
by CoachKennyBuford on Mar 27, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
This is a tough call, I think.
I think from the asset valuation perspective, Evans is clearly a better option than Harris, considering service time and all of that. But Harris seems like a worthwhile piece to keep around for defensive purposes (they really don’t have a viable defensive bench OF right now; Hairston is a bit below average right now, as is Evans).
I do wish the Mets could trade Nick Evans for a low-level prospect, so as to make up for the asset loss. I see him as rather blocked in this organization right now.
I think he's always been blocked
because he’s never been good enough that he’s particularly distinguished himself, especially when he’s playing typically high-offense positions like 1B, LF, and RF.
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completely agree
a solid backup who could break through if time allowed. But with Ike at first, Bay and his huge contract in Left, Pagan/Beltran combo in RF…Nick wasnt going to bust through that.
He’s every NY Giants DE stuck behind Justin Tuck
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by the caveman on Mar 27, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
he got blindsided
when the organization signed Scott Hairston. That role should have gone to NE but I guess they believe SH can play some CF in a pinch. Thing is that with Pagan and Harris, and now a long line of CFers up and down the org, Hairston may not even play any CF this year.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Harris was clearly very available at the time they signed Hairston.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually according to BBRef
they signed Harris on January 17th and Hairston on January 20th.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I also thought they had an agreement in place
with Hairston first… official signing dates sometimes come later. I could be remembering wrong though…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember hearing about Harris first but
I might have it wrong too.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, regardless of who came first,
giving Hairston a guaranteed ML contract was still unnecessary.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
may have been necessary
to get him to sign here.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Then we miss out on him.
I don’t dislike Hairston, but I don’t exactly see a reason for him at the same time, you know?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
they singed hairston??
i hope he’s getting the treatment he needs
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Exactly this
He’s a guy who’s good enough that you want to have him around, and can do a bunch of things decently to justify him being around, but can’t do anything extraordinarily enough to distinguish him from anyone else who can do mostly the same things.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
But isn't Evans projectibly better than Hairston?
Hairston is a career .245/.303/.435. And Evans is, what, 5 years younger?
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Hairston is on the guaranteed Major League contract
Personally, I’d rather see Evans/Harris than Hairston/Whoever makes that last spot, but that’s what Sandy did…
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope Sandy ignores the sunk cost
Sandy, if you’re reading, see for reference “Castillo, Luis” and and “OLLie, L”
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I don't know if Hairston is a sunk cost
I mean, yeah, he gets paid, so he’s a cost that money has already been allocated to, but I mean, I don’t think he’ll have negative value or anything like that, in the “lost hope” usage of sunk cost.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No negative connotation intended
Just saying that losing Evans would (I think) hurt more than writing off Hairston’s $1.1M.
And I hope they keep an open mind about it.
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It's funny because that's what I think of for Harris
except that he’s older than Evans.
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Harris has his defense
It’s been trending downwards, but on the whole, he can play all three outfield positions, with a net positive value. He’s also surprisingly speedy, and has a lot more stolen bases than I thought. He can “specialize” as a pinch runner/defensive substitution type of guy. Evans, his offensive numbers don’t necessarily justify a starting position at a position he can play. His defense, it’s not like it’s something spectacular that is an amazing asset. As a bench guy, he’s decent, but when when you have conflicts between different guys all competing for one or two bench spots…
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
But if Evans flames out and Harris does use his out clause (which he shouldn't because he'll see time anyway)
we have Pridie who can be a defensive sub. Either way though, in the Harris/Evans debate, we’re probably talking about 0.2-0.5 WAR difference.
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I'm saying that in the end the difference will probably be negligible (at least for the near future).
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that's the point...
I think the people arguing for NE are doing so in large part b/c he’s just 25 and Harris will be 33 this yr… not that 33 is old but the future is a far bigger asset on the Evans side of the ledger.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
.
BDMF:
[Evens is] a guy who’s good enough that you want to have him around, and can do a bunch of things decently to justify him being around, but can’t do anything extraordinarily enough to distinguish him from anyone else who can do mostly the same things.
Me:
It’s funny because that’s what I think of for Harris
except that he’s older than Evans.
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that's funny b/c
I don’t even think this should be between Evans and Harris. On strictly a baseball basis (I know Hairston signed a ML deal but cutting him now and they’d only owe him 1/6 of his salary if I’m not mistaken), this should come down to Evans vs Hairston or Murphy. I’d argue that Evans should make it over either one.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Hariston for his career: .320 wOBA, 95 wRC+, 7.7 LF UZR, 7.2 CF UZR
Harris for his career: .308 wOBA, 83 wRC+, 14.3 LF UZR, -2.9 CF UZR
(neither has played a significant amount of RF)
Hariston is better than Harris.
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but given the context (Evans),
there’s a lot of duplication by having Evans and Hairston. and since both are likely Mets in the short term only, I’d have opted for the LHed and speedier Harris for the 1 yr to compliment Evans.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
"both" meant
Harris and Hairston.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
How is Harris not redundant?
His only defensive advantage is that in case of emergency, he could probably fake it at 2B or 3B. Evans, Hariston, and Harris all fill the same roles. Harris just has the (somewhat misleading) reputation of a great glove, while Hariston and Evans have the (somewhat equally misleading) reputation of decent bat but no glove.
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I certainly made no
claims about who the better fielder is… that said you wont find me hanging my hat on uzr over 20 or 30 games if i were going to take up that argument.
I was more leaning on the LH vs. RH argument and also the one that Evans can play 1B and possibly even 3B in a pinch.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
and also that Harris
normally takes a lot more walks that Hairston does… assuming he will bounce back some from a poor 2010.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i have to agree with TGFHR
I’ve said it before, I prefer Harris and Evans over Hairston as well. I mean if Hairston could hit like he did in 09 with the Padres in half a season (.891 OPS, .358 OBP) then he’s a huge asset. However, he’s never done that over a full season and he’s always been a low walk, high K guy which isn’t a huge asset off the bench (sure the power’s nice but that makes him pretty all or nothing). Harris at least walks a solid amount which is a big positive for a pinch hitter type…if he’s not going to get good pitches, he won’t expand the zone and he’ll at least work a walk.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said right above,
what difference do the walks make if his career wOBA is 20 points lower?
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that's disingenuous even if not intentional since
you can forget about anything Harris did before 07. From 07 on, I haven’t done the math but they appear to have fairly similar w/OBA.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Hariston's wOBA:
’07: .332
’08: .339
’09: .331
’10: .290 (.236 BABIP)
Avg wOBA: .323
Harris’ wOBA:
’07: .325 (.332 BABIP)
’08: .340
’09: .342
’10: .294 (.199 BABIP)
Avg wOBA: .325
Looks like you’re right.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 28, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's the chart from fangraphs.
Take a look from 2007 to the present:
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
They've lined up almost exactly from 07-now
and Harris was slightly better in both 09 and 10.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
that looks like a pre-07 chart.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
It is from the beginning of both of their careers, but take a look at the bottom where it says seasons…from 2007-2010 is listed to the right (the part of the chart that’s basically a straight line until they both dip below average).
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
nope.
my screen doesn’t show that. but ogre posted the numbers.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm interesting
I see it just fine, resized and everything.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I really wish we could have both Evans and Harris even though that's probably not possible
It sucks that the one year the Mets have decent outfield depth is also the year he runs out of options. If only Omar had given him some playing time over the past few years this might be a very easy decision. Thanks again, Omar.
No surprise.
With the exception of the last two spots on the bullpen, this has been obvious since Day 1 – it’s the team Sandy & Co. constructed during the off-season. Which begs the question of why they didn’t cut Oliver and Luis before ST which might have helped generate real excitement at the start and sell more season ticket sales. With the team losing 50 million last year sales hype should be a big part of the GM’s job.
Anyway, re: Evans, the big question is when is it easier to pass someone through waivers – when everyone else is or a week or so later? It seems to me, when everyone else is making their cuts and announcing their opening rosters teams would be less likely to make another adjustment to bring in a fringe player. A lot of teams at that point have a Nick Evans of their own. Even if Beltran begins the year on the DL, wouldn’t it be better to start the season with Fernando! or Duda who we can send down with no consequences and try to squeeze Evans through waivers at the start?
I think hanging onto LOLlie and Castillo
was really, like Alderson said, just so he could view those guys with his own two eyes before he dumped them. As we all know, 6 and 12 million dollars are large chunks of change for a club to just throw down the toilet and it makes sense to at least give them a look and make sure that there’s nothing that could be salvaged before cutting them. Sandy said in the conference call that fan sentiment and player popularity takes a part in all of these moves, but in this case, it’s likely that the investment in the players and seeing what they’ve got on the field was more important than selling a few extra tickets in January and February.
And I think that’s the way it should be. While ticket sales matter, ultimately the GM should be able to do what he thinks is necessary and in this case, he felt it necessary to watch LOLlie and Luis play with his own eyes instead making a rash, knee jerk decision.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really think that's what happened?
I don’t. They team was constructed for their removal – Ollie was squeezed out of the starter rotation and he’s never been a realistic bullpen candidate with his walks. We had so many 2B candidates they couldn’t give them enough time. And when Luis outplayed or at minimal matched the competition they pulled out the fan sentiment card, which was there from the start. And as far as treating them with the respect due a veteran, a more respectful move would have been to give them the whole ST period to catch on with another team. There was no way they were going to expose themselves or the rest of the team to the fan reaction which would have greeted those guys on Opening Day. And when you’ve got an organization teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and hemorrhaging money which makes them nearly unsellable, a few extra tickets is worth more than seeing with their own eyes what the most casual fan has already seen for the past two years. (or in Oliver’s case seen in Winter League in Mexico).
No. Meant what I said.
Depth is guys you can hold on to – like Boyer and Tankersley and Gee in AAA. Young and Capuano on major league contracts is not depth but replacement. A Rule V pick as your preferred 2Bman is not depth. Turner is depth, Tejada is depth, Emaus is replacement. Changing the definition of the 2Bman to an offensive position not a defensive one moved Luis off the roster right then. Why pretend they were being given a real chance when from the start it was obvious they were not going to be there at the end?
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Theoretically, Capuano could have ended up in the pen.
And theoretically, Emaus could have been the back up to 2B and 3B with Murphy in Buffalo.
They gave then one last shot to show they deserved to be on the team – and planned ahead in case they came up short like everyone thought they would. What’s wrong with that?
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We're in an extraordinary situation,
which requires extraordinary measures. Sure in normal time, nothing wrong with that. But in this climate, what’s wrong with saying we have a great plan, Young & Cap in the back end of the rotation, Emaus & Murphy platooning Lefty/Righty, and ST will be a time to start executing our plan instead of figuring it out. Generate excitement and hype around a definitive plan, something vastly different from the amorphous change every year depending on who the best FA is out there.
You're pretending that they were able to know a lot more than they did know, coming in
Half the roster was question marks, coming in. They put a lot of balls in the air to juggle during spring training, and the balls came down pretty much in the way they foresaw, but other outcomes were quite possible.
no way
2B is going to be a platoon. that would mean that Murphy was going to play 70% of the time there and that is clearly not the plan.
Point of Murphy not winning the 2B job is that they must not believe he’s a viable defender there… otherwise he’d have won the job since he projects to outhit everyone else they looked at there. So if he’s not viable playing 2B, then where and when is he going to play? Murphy’s role is hard to grasp. I’d frankly prefer to have Evans than Murphy.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 27, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
according to Terry today,
Murphy has not been told that he has made the team yet as they’re still in discussions over the last couple of spots…
from that I would take it they are still discussing the possibility of sending him to Buff to play some more 2B and so as no to have to lose Nick. Anyway if they are going to play Emaus everyday at 2B, then why not go that way and keep Nick in the org? This could be a result of greater confidence in Emaus than they had just a week or 2 ago…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 28, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying they would've made the team
or even had a prayer to make the team.
Despite that, it’s likely Sandy wanted to see them with his own eyes to confirm the scouting reports, confirm the statistics and confirm that the fan hatred was really necessary before cutting bait on them. He wanted to do his due diligence and I think it is perfectly reasonable for him to do that. Haste makes waste…or something like that. Remember, this is a guy in Alderson who was not in the organization until what…November? He was in the DR the past year or two straightening out with signing bonuses and PEDs and such. He didn’t have the ability to watch these two guys with his own eyes.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Why weren't Castillo/Perez cut before ST?
Because, they were assets the Mets controlled. There’s no reason to get rid of controlled assets that, in theory, could have had some value. Castillo could have been on a glucosamine chondroitin sulfate regimen for the entire off-season, and come into camp with knees that were like new, allowing him to be some sembalance of the Castillo of old, who could walk, leg out infield singles, steal bases, and provide good defense up the middle. Perez, he could have fallen off a ladder while doing something in his house, bumped his head, and have pitching suddenly make sense. Not likely, either one of those, and obviously, those things didn’t happen, but they could have. Those guys were both kept around, we evaluated them to see if anything was left in the tank, decided that they no longer had positive value for the team, and were shown the door. I don’t think that anybody was not buying tickets because Castillo and/or Perez were still on the team.
Duda, he could replace Beltran in the OF, but Fernando needs to stay in the Minors and play an entire healthy season.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure about that ticket part.
There were a lot of people saying they were going to boycott CitiField if those guys were on the team. We started the off-season strong by bringing in a whole new leadership team and then they diluted that hype with the appearance of the same old same old. Especially with the distrust surrounding the Wilpons there was good reason to believe Sandy would be forced to keep those two just because of the money (despite that theory not working out mathematically).
A lot of people say a lot of things...
But having that translate into actual ticket sales (or lack thereof) is a different story.
by xnumberoneson on Mar 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The people who are boycotting going to games because Luis Castillo and/or Oliver Perez were on the team,
methinks are irrational curmudgeons who, upon the absence of Castillo and/or Perez, will just construct a new reason to bitch and gripe, and will actually go to games anyway.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
There were only the more fanatical.
But it definitely undercut the sales pitch at the start for the general public. With Sandy and the team of rivals plus Collins they had a great sales pitch if they could have gone all the way with the idea of a fresh new beginning. Instead they let the media focus on Perez and Castillo. The proof is in the sales figures. With our present situation, if we want to spend the money on the draft and have a chance to retain Jose, Sandy’s got to make sales an important part of his job.
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Instead they let the media focus on Perez and Castillo.
Or Alderson said “fuck it” and figured the media would find a way to undercut the FO’s presence anyway. I for one find it refreshing to have a FO who does what they need to do without worrying too much about the MSM.
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Well that's my point -
Did they really “need to do” anything with Luis & Oliver? Why isn’t Luis on the team? He played as well as Emaus? Will you continue to find it refreshing when we don’t sign Jose? Anyway, I’m beating a dead horse at this point…
Emaus is also about 10 years younger.
And what about Alderson’s approach implies Reyes won’t be here?
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I mentioned in an older FanPost that I think is dead, so I'll repeat it here:
Who made Reyes expendable? Certainly not Alderson (or even Minaya, for that matter). All of the stuff about it being imminent that Reyes is gonna be gone in 2012 as a FA, or traded mid-season, all of that stuff has been coming from the newspaper writers, the bloggers, the TV hosts, the radio hosts, and so on- people who are paid (in 3/4 of the aforementioned things) to generate articles that people are going to want to buy, and/or read, and/or talk about. As we’ve learned this off-season, with "unnamed personnel" and "unnamed sources close to team management", these people can write/say whatever they want, with little-to-no accountability, and "manufacture" facts and public opinion.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Money.
We are losing 50 million a year. We are in hock up to our ears. Ownership is facing a billion dollar suit. A billion. The entire club and the SNY share should be up for sale and they are only offering 25% with no SNY. At a certain point reality steps up and bites us on the ass and I’m afraid there’s a very good chance that happens when Reyes is a free agent. That’s not manufactured from the press or bloggers.
To quote DDL:
The Mets have a ton of money coming off the books next year.
* Beltran, $18.5MM
* Ghost of Ollie Perez, $12MM
* Reyes, $11MM
* Ghost of Luis Castillo, $6MM
That’s over $45MM. Take 20% off for various raises and deferred comp and it’s still $35MM. If the Mets are cash poor, they’ll not spend that money. And talent-wise, they really don’t have to if the goal is to tread water:
Most of the lost talent is easily replaced in-house. The ghosts need no replacement, F! or Duda can play RF, and Tejada can play SS. Also, our only obvious hole in 2012 is CF (Pagan is FA-eligible), assuming no injuries that we can make a rotation out of Dickey, Pelfrey, Niese, Santana, Gee, Mejia, and Carrasco. (Oh, I guess backup catcher is a hole. Whatever.)
So: if the Mets end up, next off-season, spending anywhere near the $130-$140 they’re spending this year, it’s safe to say that this is all BS.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if they want to cut payroll by about $20M
There would still be room for Reyes at $15M per year (if it takes that much). Maybe not for much else, but there would be room for Reyes.
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Pagan is Mets property through 2012, meaning he’ll be a free agent prior to the 2013 season.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 27, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Emaus
The choice was between 6 years of cost control of Brad Emaus or 100 games or so of Luis Castillo. Castillo might be better than Emaus, but he’s not going to be so much better that taking Castillo is the better decision for the organization, long-term.
What are the sales figures saying that their presence in ST has hurt the team?
I recall an article that basically was about how there were less people waiting on line in the cold at Citi Field when physical tickets first went on sale, but most people buy their tickets online anyway, meaning less people waiting on line in the cold isn’t indicative of anything except there were less people waiting on line in the cold at Citi.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would the Mets risk losing Evans
Why not send Murph down let him use his options , and give Evans the roster spot meant for Murphy ? Evans can be the super sub and let Hu and Harris back up MI.
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by Blame-everyone-else on Mar 27, 2011 12:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Mets need a left handed bat on the bench
and Harris doesn’t count because of his past performance over the last few years.
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Harris, I would say, qualifies
Going back three years:
.251/.344/.417
.235/.364/.393
.183/.291/.362
That last year, he had an insane .199 BABIP, almost .100 points lower than his more normative career mark of .281. Bill James and Marcel are both projecting his BABIP to be higher, but still well below those career norms (.269 and .256, respectively). That’s good for a line of .220/.329/.366 for James and .226/.323/.379 with Marcel. Personally, I’d expect his BABIP to be a little higher than those projected numbers, because of Citi Field being all spacious and more line-drivey, which would raise those projected averages a little bit. Not bad, if I say so.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 27, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Maximizing depth vs. playing roster games
I think this front office is trying to strike a balance between keeping as many assets as possible and bringing the best 25 players north. They’re not going to send guys down to AAA if they feel that those players belong on the active roster. Bobby Parnell has options but they chose not to send him down because he’s expected to play a big role this year. Plus, they really need a good lefty bat on the bench and they wouldn’t have one if Murphy got sent down.
by xnumberoneson on Mar 27, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Murphy can undoubtedly
Use more time in the minors to perfect second base. Unless you think his ceiling is utility player in which case his value is quite minimal. As far a as a lefty bat , Harris should do fine
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by Blame-everyone-else on Mar 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn.t mind
sending Parnell to Buffalo to perfect his role as a future closer(if and when we dump Krod) This would open up spots for both Izzy and Boyer. I also would like to give Evans till june I don’t know about anyone else but I would like to see what he can do before we lose him
thats a pretty good idea.
im not to sure what to think of evans. i’d like to see what hes got, but willie harris has earned a spot.
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I'll miss Evans
Unless of course Beltran goes on the DL.
Heyman could be wrong, of course. It wouldn’t be the first time
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I hope he gets a decent shot to earn a bench role somewhere
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I don't think I have enough faith in Heyman
to accept this as gospel. I think the skepticism used in the original post is appropriate until we hear from Alderson or someone similarly reputable.
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