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Over the weekend, oft-injured southpaw Mike Hampton announced his retirement from baseball. He was remembered primarily as a punchline in recent years, when remembered at all, thanks to the endless series of ailments that befell him. Hampton was also mocked for signing a ridiculous free agent contract with the Rockies following the 2000 season, then saying that the school system was what drew him to Denver.

Lost in these dismissals are the qualities that earned him that huge contract in the first place, and why Mets fans should perhaps remember more fondly than they do.

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After flashing some promise in his first few years in the bigs, Hampton finally put it all together in 1999, going 22-4 with a 2.90 ERA for the Astros. He was not a flamethrower or a strikeout artist, but he was a crafty lefty with good control. The Mets, coming off an exciting but ultimately heartbreaking season, needed to bolster their starting rotation. With free agency looming for Hampton, the Mets acquired him from Houston for Roger Cedeno and Octavio Dotel (Derek Bell came back in the deal as well).

It was hoped that Hampton and Leiter would be Aces 1A and 1B in the Mets' rotation, but it didn't quite work out that way, at least not initially. Hampton had an up-and-down regular season, winning 15 games but struggling with his control at times, a flaw that had not been part of his M.O. prior to coming to New York. His first start for the Mets came in unusual circumstances: the first regular season contest played in Japan. In the Tokyo Dome's unfamiliar environment, Hampton walked nine batters en route to a 5-3 loss.

His unwillingness to discuss an extension with the Mets in season, coupled with less-than-ace performances, led many to think he was not suited for the bright lights of the big city. That opinion was not altered when he did poorly in his first playoff assignment as a Met, a 5-1 loss in game one of the division series against the Giants.

Despite this, Bobby Valentine went with Hampton to start game one of the NLCS in St. Louis, rather than the more experienced Leiter. Hampton got into trouble early, loading the bases in the first inning, but recovered to keep the Cardinals off the board. The entire game, he allowed baserunners, but did a masterful job of stranding them. At night's end, he had 7 shutout innings under his belt, and the Mets had a 1-0 series lead.

That put Hampton in a position to pitch the clinching game five. Before the game, he declared "I'm looking forward to pitching the game of my life." He was true to his word. As Mets batters walked all over Cards' starter Pat Hentgen and Shea Stadium literally shook, Hampton scattered three hits, struck out eight, and went the distance in a 7-0 coronation. Hampton was hoisted above the mound by his teammates, and later shortly thereafter voted the NLCS MVP.

Unfortunately for him, he did not stay in fans' good graces for long. He was knocked around by Yankees hitters in game two of the World Series (not that anyone noticed, thanks to Roger Clemens' bat chucking). In the ensuing offseason, he ended months of speculation by signing an eight-year, $121 million contract with Colorado, a figure that not even Steve Phillips could out-stupid. His "school system" remarks were the icing on the cake for Mets fans, and he quickly went from being a hero to entering a realm of villainy reserved for the likes of Clemens and Chipper Jones.

I'm among those who cursed his name more than once when he left for the Rockies. But in retrospect, this seems unfair. Who among us would turn down Hampton-level cash if it was laid before us? As for the "school system" speech, I'm sure the poor guy was coached by his agent and/or the Rockies. A dumb thing to say? Maybe, but I can't expect athletes to be smart.

The bottom line is, the Mets don't make it to the World Series in 2000 without Hampton. He deserves a little more recognition for that than he's received. And so on this occasion, I can wish him a happy retirement, and thank him for the events of October 16, 2000.

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Heilman actually was a decent piece as well

He was certainly no ace level pitcher, but in his 6 years with the Mets in which he spent time in the majors he averaged about .6 WAR. Not great, but he was a solid enough middle reliever over his Mets tenure and was a huge key to our 2006 run.

by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 28, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

When you add those two picks up, they've produced 40.3 WAR for the Mets

Not a bad deal for letting a pitcher walk, especially when Hampton only produced 10.7 over the life of that contract.

by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 28, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, mixed on Heilman

He was mostly average but I still lay alot of blame on him for losing the NLCS in ’06. I think he, as much as any player is responsible for that loss.

Of course sending up an injured Cliff Floyd to bunt is heinous but I still don’t think much of Heilman.

by ScottfromPeekskill on Mar 28, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blaming Heilman for losing a 7 game series isn't really any better than blaming Beltran because of the last AB.

He made three appearances in the entire series, in two of them he was excellent, in the third he was asked to go a second inning and gave up a HR. It sucks that it was in game 7, but you can hardly pin the series loss on him for it. There were any number of other opportunities for the Mets to win that series, the loss can’t be pinned down to a single HR allowed or a single strike out. It’s really sad to see fans treat guys that poorly when a single moment erases an entire body of good work, while players that were consistently poor escape blame because they were subbed out instead of being given an opportunity in a big spot. Heilman was not the reason the Mets lost the NLCS in 2006.

by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 28, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I think he, as much as any player is responsible for that loss."

I put much more blame on the incredibly incompetent manner in which Mr. W. Randolph conducted himself throughout the series…throughout his entire tenure!

by ScottfromPeekskill on Mar 28, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame So fuckin Taguchi

Bastard.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 28, 2011 2:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jeff Suppan

One fucking run in 16 innings against that clown. One.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on Mar 28, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

It's not like he's a not perennial Cy Young candidate or anything...

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 28, 2011 7:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There was time to make up for it but Game 2 is what cost that series

Mota 2 runs in 2/3 of an inning. Wagner 3 runs in 2/3 and Green not catching Spezio’s 3 run “triple.”

     Heilman shouldn’t have even been on the mound in the 9th inning of game 7 but Wagner’s 9.50 era after giving up 2 runs the night before (or an injury, 24 pitches the night before, whatever) kept him in the clubhouse.

     You can always look back on one play and say it cost you the series but that is rarely true but Green not catching a ball that hit him right in the glove is as close as it gets.

by t agee on Mar 28, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

chass

can i just point out what a huge d-bag murray chass comes off as in that linked article regarding the whole overblown denver school systems thing? beyond just sounding like he needs to be fired from his profession (oh right…) he acts like hampton is the first pro athlete who ever danced the ‘it wasn’t all about the money’ dance. they all do it, they’re all lying because if they didn’t they’d sound like greedy assholes, who gives a crap.

and honestly, who uses the word ‘abort’ as a verb in their common vernacular?

by Rob Castellano on Mar 28, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

You're probably right.

You’ll have to excuse me for not previously giving Hampton his rightfully-deserved due.

I would’ve picked up on it sooner, but I didn’t go to school in Colorado.

Jagr? Seriously?

by Matthew Artus on Mar 28, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I have always looked fondly on him because he was one of the aces at the beginning of my Mets fandom

His hitting was cool too. Career .287 wOBA and 7(!) HRs with the Rockies in 2001 in 86 PA.

by EtSuKe on Mar 28, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

The best thing about Mike Hampton was David Wright

And most of his starts after about the middle of May.

I’ll never forget going to a game against Philly in September 2000. The Mets were having another rough time (the Mets September problems definitely didn’t start with Willy) and hit a rough patch. They really weren’t really in danger of losing out on the Wild Card, though the division slipped through their fingers. Anyway, Hampton took the mound and pitched his heart out. Shutout ball through 7, but unfortunately the Mets couldn’t do anything against the mighty Bruce Chen. Finally Hampton gives up a 2-run bomb to Scott Rolen in the 8th, and that’s all the scoring there’s gonna be. Bobby V yanks him, and from where we were sitting in the Loge on the third base side you could see Hampton just fire his glove in the dugout in frustration. He was pissed – probably mostly at himself, but I’m sure he was miffed at the team. I actually really respected him for showing emotion. Too bad that guy wilted during game two of the Series.

Oh, and by the way, it took me about five glances at the title to see what you were referencing. Man, it’s rough when you don’t have your first cup of coffee until noon.

by dcmetsfan on Mar 28, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, in the end,

We got Weight, and dodged a huge bullet. Thank you Colorado school system, for being so good.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 28, 2011 2:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Hampton's retirement led to a great Wright twitter debate

between @_mistermet and @bayonnemetsfan

Very entertaining.

Enjoying what may be the final season of two of my favorite Mets in Blue and Orange: Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran

by EMSfan9 on Mar 28, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

It's amazing how highly some people think of themselves.

In bayonnemetsfan’s mind, everything the he thinks is right be definition that he thought it. It’s impossible for anything he though to be wrong. Simply amazing.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Mar 28, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I mentioned one thing to one of them then my name started getting included in the back and forth so my phone was blowing up with the messages. I thought it was great. bayonnemetsfan wouldn’t take stats as an answer. He just “KNEW!”

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by EMSfan9 on Mar 28, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

This is classic

Nice funny comeback too bad it has nothing to do with facts or the truth-Wright PANICS in big spots-FACT

Unintentional irony for the win, Alex.

by dcmetsfan on Mar 28, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I imagined that as if he was yelling the all-caps words.

It IS a really funny THING to IMAGINE.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Mar 28, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bayonnemetsfan is awesome.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 28, 2011 5:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know if he uses the Twitter

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 28, 2011 8:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

LOLOLOL

I don’t even want to go into it. For those that don’t know, I posted something about Hampton retiring and his best contribution being the David Wright draft pick. Out of nowhere (because I don’t follow him and he doesn’t follow me), Bayonne Mets Fan responds with this BS about how Hampton has been more valuable to the Mets than Wright because Hampton got the Mets to the WS and Wright is not clutch. I decided to take the bait and gave him some simple stats (first I went OPS and then I realized that that his brain likely couldn’t process that much info, so I gave him batting average in high leverage situations according to BBRef). And of course somehow he managed to argue that batting average is a lie and that he’s really terrible and that Wright will not go down as the Mets best hitter because of Keith Hernandez, Mike Piazza, Strawberry and John Olerud, even despite Wright’s “stat padding.” I mean I’ll give him Piazza and Strawberry, even though Wright will likely have the longevity factor going for him. But Olerud and Keith having better Mets careers than Wright? I love them both, but come on!

Ugh…stupid people are stupid. I gave up not long after that…“conversing” with him felt like I was banging my head into a cement wall trying to break through to the other side.

And yeah EMS, sorry about all of those messages you got there. As you may know, I’ve only been on Twitter about a week and I’m still learning. Glad I could provide some entertainment, at least!

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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 28, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty sure he got it because I think he follows me

and I retweeted that comment.

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by EMSfan9 on Mar 29, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hampton contributed more to the Mets than Wright by taking us to a WS

LulZ

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by fxcarden on Mar 28, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

well just think Hampton took us to the world series AND got us Wright

so technically all of Wrights accomplishments are because of Hampton. Thus Mike Hampton is one of the greatest Mets ever by proxy

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Mar 29, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't understand the hate for hampton i see in some parts

he netted us a whole bunch in return – also he sucked for our NL rivals. hampering the other team, man

by nerfan on Mar 28, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

The Mets' smart moves.

For all the hideous contracts doled out over the past 15 years (Roger Cedeno, Oliver Perez) the Mets rarely got credit when they did smart, prudent things like refusing to give into Hampton’s demands or letting Edgardo Alfonzo go when it was clear he was finished. It could be chalked up to luck, but there’s nothing wrong with being lucky.

Paul Lebowitz

by PRINCE_OF_NY on Mar 28, 2011 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Steve Phillips was a lot like Omar

A couple of decent moves overshadowed by a bunch of horrible ones late in his tenure.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 28, 2011 8:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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