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The Last Time I Believed In The Mets
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Turn the clock back about two and a half years. The Mets, after a mediocre start to their 2008 season, had managed to build a small lead at the top of the NL East standings. But they are seemingly in the middle of another (albeit much less epic) collapse after the disastrous ending the previous year. Mets fans, including myself, can't imagine having to endure the same heartbreak again yet also feel a sense of inevitable doom.
I remember hearing about the decision to pitch Johan Santana on three days' rest in the second-to-last game of the season and feeling everything was over right there. Taking the one great pitcher in the rotation and forcing him to pitch on short rest when you're going to end up pitching Oliver Perez in the final game anyway didn't sit right with me. Granted, Oliver Perez wasn't the worthless pitcher he became once he signed a 3-year, $36 million contract, but he was no better than average in 2008. On top of that, down the stretch he had been strikingly awful. He had just given up five runs in his previous start and going right back to him on three days' rest was the best course of action? I can't honestly say I remember which pitcher would have started the penultimate game instead of Johan, but I felt any downside would be mitigated by giving Johan normal rest.
Boy, was I wrong.
At the time, I was in my first job out of college — a job I might have gotten due to sharing Mets fandom with the boss — and we had a suite rented out for that very game. As apprehensive as I was about Johan, how could I not be excited to be in a luxury box for the first time in my life, even if it was the very last one in right field? Little did I know I wouldn't get out of my seat past the fourth inning, making sure I had a good seat to witness the dominance. I watched as the Mets $137.5 million offseason acquisition put up zero after zero, managing to do more than anyone could have expected. I kept wondering if Jerry Manuel would pull him, ready to flip out if another pitcher walked out to the mound in the beginning of the 8th or 9th inning. I didn't care about his ballooning pitch count; apparently, neither did they.
I have always remembered one at-bat in particular, and I was worried that going to BrooksBaseball.net to look it up would prove my memory incorrect. In the 9th, Dan Uggla stepped up to the plate with 1 out and a man on second. Josh Willingham had just hit a double, but Jerry was leaving Johan in. He had been the best pitcher in baseball in the second half and it was his game — and season — to lose.
The crowd had been on its feet from the beginning of the inning, and numerous suite denizens were bashing the advertising sign directly below their seats at this point. On the first offering, Uggla swung and missed at a changeup right down the pipe. Incredible. Johan followed that up with the same pitch and Uggla swung through it yet again. Hilariously awesome. On the 0-2 count, he threw yet another changeup, this time in the dirt. Uggla swung and missed the ball by a foot. Outside of Games 6 and 7 twenty-five years ago, I'm not sure Shea was ever louder than it was after that strikeout.
Here's the at-bat in PitchFX form:
Beautiful.
The Mets were really going to win this game. We all knew it. Johan wouldn't be stopped. A starting pitcher who's only out on the field every fifth day shouldn't be able to put an entire team on his shoulders and take them to the playoffs, but here we were watching it happen. And we didn't find out until later that he carried the load with only one functional knee.
When the next hitter drove a fly ball almost the warning track, I think the entire stadium missed a breath. But when it was caught, it was pandemonium. Everyone in that moment didn't care that Oliver Perez was slated as the starting pitcher the next day. I went home and immediately looked on StubHub for tickets to the last game at Shea — I was that excited and optimistic. The possibility of having front-row seats to the final depressing game in such an awful stadium did not enter my mind. Of course, once I saw the prices, I quickly came to my senses, but the point still stands: the Mets were faced with what was practically an elimination game with Oliver Perez on the mound, and I couldn't wait to watch. That was the effect of Johan Santana for that one day. I also still believed David Wright and Jose Reyes had it in them to come through in that last game; I knew they'd be able to overcome whatever deficit Ollie left them with. Carlos Beltran's legs were still under him, and Carlos Delgado had put together a monster second half. There was still confidence left on a very basic level. The Mets were a damn good team. They wouldn't let the Marlins end their season yet again.
I think we know the story since then. I don't need to delve into the hell that was 2009 nor do I have to go over some of the awful acquisitions. Sure, I started to think the Mets had a legit shot at the All-Star Break last season, but the quick fall to start off the second half brought me back down to earth in a hurry.
The current narrative is Sandy Alderson and his all-star front office. As a proponent of sabermetrics, I have no doubt that he'll right the ship, as he has already started to do. But as much as I trust the guys now running the show, I want to have the same confidence in the guys on the field. And right now, how could anyone? There's the injury questions for Beltran and Bay. There's Wright's schizophrenic hitting, and Reyes' leg and OBP issues. Johan Santana, the man who once inspired so much confidence, might not even pitch this season.
But you can still have excitement without confidence. I can't wait to see if Ike Davis can mash taters at an even higher rate, and to find out whether or not Brad Emaus is for real. I want to see Josh Thole develop into a solid backstop the Mets can depend on for years, and watch Jon Niese grow into the reliable workhorse we all want him to be. And I pray everyday that Bobby Parnell will take the closing job away from Francisco Rodriguez solely on merit. There's plenty to look forward to this season — just most likely not a playoff race.
My hope for 2011 is that by the end of year, the state of the Mets will be easier to quantify and that the subsequent offseason will be that much better as a result. If Reyes' fate is to be traded for prospects, and Ruben Tejada needs to take his place, then so be it. If Chrises Young and Capuano don't work out, it's not like the Mets have huge albatrosses to deal with going forward. All I ask for is a couple of things to go right, like Fernando Martinez or Reese Havens staying healthy for a whole year, or David Wright reverting back to the hitter he was pre-2009 — anything to keep me excited about the future, because that's what this season is about. It may not be a rebuilding year in the traditional sense, but it's no doubt a transitional and evaluational year.
Like I mentioned, I have confidence in the front office to do what's right. I just can't wait to feel the same way about the on-field product again.
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Nice post!
Just one thing to nitpick, though…in 2008 Jerry Manuel was the manager the second half of the year, not Randolph.
But aside from that, an excellent piece of writing! A rec for you, sir.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 30, 2011 4:59 PM EDT reply actions
Ugh yeah, I even made a mental note to double-check that
Thanks for pointing that out. And for the rec!
NIce done.
I somehow remember that day as being a drizzly crummy kind of a day. I also remember NOT WATCHING (still burning from 2007), but I did watch once my son and wife started screaming, and saw Johan flip the game ball into the crowd with a kiss.
Of course, the next day I went to the last game at Shea to watch the bullpen throw it all away.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
WOW
this needs a response post titled Dr.Strange Sandy or How i stopped worrying and gave up on the pons to believe in miracles
I hate Philadelphia so much.
I have faith in the FO and the Players...
it’s ownership I don’t trust. I fear that the Wilpons financial misdeeds are going to wreak havoc on us mid-season to disastrous results. My kneejerk optimism is tempered with a dread we’re going to lose my favorite player.
Thanks for the memories...
Ollie is a piece of dog crap, but in his defense, he gave a pretty good effort in game 162-going 5 scoreless and running into trouble in the 6th (understandable on 3 days rest). I’m not gonna feel sorry for a loser like him, but he also turned in a great game 7 performance against St.L going 6 quality innings on 3 days rest. Unfortunately the thing that plagued this team the most in big spots was the lack of offense.
Agreed
I originally was going to talk a bit about that final game, but I decided to jump to present-day to spare myself the pain. It’s funny to think about how Ollie was pegged as a big-game pitcher when he signed that contract. And the offense really did disappear at the end of 2008 with 5 runs in the final 3 games. It also was the beginning of some fans turning on David Wright due to a couple of strikeouts in key situations.
Havent been in one at Citi
but lucky to have been in multiple at New Meadowlands and Prudential Center
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by NetsMets4Life on Mar 30, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
excellent writing
but boy, did you really have to bring back those bad memories in the 1st half of that piece. even the good times (santana shutout) feel awful b/c of what happened next
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Here are three games I attended in the past 5 years that had me believing.
May 23, 2006 – Didn’t make it through the whole thing with my father and my younger brother (we left around the 12th), but the Reyes 3-run home run to tie it in the 8th was something magic that I have not experienced in a long time.
June 13, 2006 – My uncle actually took me down for this one and this was in the midst of my first ever foray into the working world as a cashier at Dunkin’ Donuts. I’ll remember this game for David Wright picking a Pat Burrell spear out of the dirt and turning a 5-4-3 double play to stick a dagger in the Phils in the bottom of the 9th. This was the first game of a nice road sweep at Citizens Bank Park to put the Mets 9.5 up and the only team with an above .500 record in the NL East. The end of that series was the last time their lead would go under 9 games for the rest of the season.
September 23, 2008 – 4 days before the game above, and Johan Santana’s first effort to prevent the Mets from elimination. Reyes triple made Shea shake and was my last ever game attended there.
Oh memories.
by Five-Tool Tool on Mar 30, 2011 10:41 PM EDT reply actions
I remember that June 13th game, specifically the Wright play you speak of.
Thinking of that whole stretch gives me goosebumps. I believe that was the roadtrip where they won something like 9 of 10 or 10 of 11 and absolutely pulverized the D-Backs, Dodgers and Phillies and that Wright play was the cap to the whole thing. I also want to say that that was when Howie Rose was subbing for Gary because he had had his appendix out right before that roadtrip (I always remember that because I had my appendix taken out in February of 06 and Xavier Nady had his taken out in May…there was something strange going on with appendixes in 2006).
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 30, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
man they used to kill the dbacks down in zona
was that when mike jacobs first went bonkers or was that a different zona pulverization?
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Yep, that was one.
His first road trip was to Arizona. He hit 3 HRs in 4 games, including his first multi-homer game.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 31, 2011 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember when we won 11 in a row against them?
Good times…
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 1, 2011 3:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Reading this thread makes me feel guilty
for sometimes wishing that we never traded for/extended Johan, signed Livan Hernandez as our “ace” instead, as was the plan, bullshitted through the 2008 season, and then signed FA CC Sabathia.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 31, 2011 12:08 AM EDT reply actions
too bad cc
wouldnt have sign with us because the Yanks would still have the bigger paycheck to hand him. If he has reservations about coming to NY why would he choose the Mets over the Yanks. Thats why we need a new owner who has deep pockets and can actually be a real man in the NY market and act like a big market club. The Wilpons are like little weasel, rat like creatures.
If the Yankees traded for/signed Santana, they wouldn't need to sign Sabathia, leaving the 2009 Mets
the only team with the need to for guy of his caliber, and major dollars to actually be able to ink a deal.
The rest of your post, not even going to address the silliness of it.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 31, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
hindsight is always 20/20
i’m fine w/ it though. cc wouldve signed w/ the yanks anyhow
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Wow
In the 9th, Dan Uggla stepped up to the plate with 1 out and a man on second. Josh Willingham had just hit a double, but Jerry was leaving Johan in. He had been the best pitcher in baseball in the second half and it was his game — and season — to lose.
The crowd had been on its feet from the beginning of the inning, and numerous suite denizens were bashing the advertising sign directly below their seats at this point. On the first offering, Uggla swung and missed at a changeup right down the pipe. Incredible. Johan followed that up with the same pitch and Uggla swung through it yet again. Hilariously awesome. On the 0-2 count, he threw yet another changeup, this time in the dirt. Uggla swung and missed the ball by a foot. Outside of Games 6 and 7 twenty-five years ago, I’m not sure Shea was ever louder than it was after that strikeout.
I got goose bumps from reading that. Thank you.
My experience with that game
Was holding my breath as I waited for what seemed like forever after GameCast indicated that a ball was in play, and then seeing that little dot climb higher and higher towards the wall until it said “out recorded.” Yeah, I had MLB Extra Innings but the game was blacked out because it took place on a Saturday afternoon. Still kind of bitter about that.
That looks like Jerry's
infamous doomsday infield alignment with a really big white plastic bag tumbling around RF.
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by Wright of passage on Mar 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Boy those days are missed
Much like the Knicks are experiencing now, NY crowds are the BEST when their teams win. And i like that we do not show up when the teams dissapoint because it shows ownership we care about winning and wont pay ridicuolous prices for a mediocre team
But I would rather pay 100 bucks to see the 2006 Mets, than 15 bucks to see last years team
Hopefully this years team is somewhat closer to the 2006 team
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by WeTalkFantasySports.blogspot.com on Mar 31, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions
Highly disagree
The fact that there are people regularly showing up to games, even when we’re not doing the greatest, is a true testament to “fanaticism”, or whatever. Showing up only when times are good, that’s frontrunning and bandwagoning.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 31, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pricing options are plentiful
That being said, if its not something logistical, like the compromise in viewing quality for cheaper seating thats irking you into this “rationale” you’ve come to, then its kinda like saying you’re going to decline your visitation rights to see your kids to spite your ex-wife.
I’m not one to push my fanaticism on others but the complete boycott is something right up Fatcesser’s alley. If you’re ok with appeasing that buffoons wishes, knowingly or not I think that pretty much sums up where you stand amongst your fellow Mets fans.
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by Wright of passage on Mar 31, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not saying do not show up at all
But if we sold out every game last year at those ticket prices, they NEVER would have brought them down the way they did this season
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by WeTalkFantasySports.blogspot.com on Apr 1, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions
Assuming that you've got a really low set of standards
and actually did show up for what you percieved as “not disappointing” the last couple years as you now say you did not mean to “not show up at all”. But when you say:
“And i like that we do not show up when the teams dissapoint "
its kind of hard to pull the sentiment of “not saying do not show up at all” out of that.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 1, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
When did i say At All
I never said at all
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by WeTalkFantasySports.blogspot.com on Apr 1, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not saying do not show up AT ALL
But if we sold out every game last year at those ticket prices, they NEVER would have brought them down the way they did this season
by WeTalkFantasySports.blogspot.com on Apr 1, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions
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by Wright of passage on Apr 1, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I am so confused at what your point is?
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by WeTalkFantasySports.blogspot.com on Apr 1, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You have no idea what you're saying is my point
And your a hypocrite to boot.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 1, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
How
What makes me a hypocrite?
I think the fans have every right to not show up when the team sucks and pack the joint when we are winning
Does not mean im not following just as hard at home on TV , i just refuse to pay toll for the bridge, 20 to park, whatever a hotdog costs nowadays and 15 bucks to sit in the upper deck to watch a team that has trouble beating the Nationals
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by WeTalkFantasySports.blogspot.com on Apr 1, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Whadya parking for?
There’s plenty of parking around the stadium, on the one-way streets around Roosevelt Avenue, near the highway.
Never got that.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 1, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on
is that a serious question?
The train takes WAY to long(from ct) and who can trust the area surrounding Citi
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by WeTalkFantasySports.blogspot.com on Apr 1, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't bring the train into anything,
but, as I said, there’s ample parking around the stadium, within a 5-10 block radius. In the 5 +/- years I’ve been driving to Shea/Citi, never once did I have actual problems finding a spot. Between 34th Ave and 108th St, plenty of parking. Free parking.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 1, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Reading comprehension is your friend.
BDMF never mentioned the train.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 1, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he didnt say anything about a train
but he mentioned not paying for parking leaving me two options
Take the Train
Park on the side streets of queens
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by WeTalkFantasySports.blogspot.com on Apr 2, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets see
You’re trying to disclaim against the assumption that you’re a frontrunner (aka: hypocrite). Yet you root for Gonzaga, Boise State and happen to be lucky enough to presumably reside within the tri-state to be able to say you “justly” root for my NY Giants. Not for nothing but sabermetrically you display a .500 K/9 rate in your attempt to dispell the said assumption. Take a weighted average and in reality its more like .750 rate of FAIL.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 1, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW
I dont even follow College Football really so I like Boise State because they were the underdogs years ago and have the same colors as the Mets
Gonzaga because Adam Morrison went there and I hated JJ Reddick but once again I dont even follow College Basketball until March Madness
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by WeTalkFantasySports.blogspot.com on Apr 1, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude save your breath
you’re a troll of the first order. Atleast some of the trolling diots that come on here can make some semblance of an argument instead of asking the same stupid question repeatedly in different forms exacerbating your painfully apparent futilities.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 1, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
You’re right im a troll and im going to leave
When you see me through out the season commenting on stuff just ignore me it will make this place much more fun to read
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by WeTalkFantasySports.blogspot.com on Apr 1, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll exercise my rights to free speech
wherever I wish. If you feel your contributions to conversation are without merit I suggest you perhaps rethink them and post accordingly. Trust me I’m the last guy to be critical of anyone else, especially newcomers as my indoctrination was not pretty. But the difference between you and I is that I owned up to my errors immediately and assembled much more thought into my contributions. Where as you have stubbornly and ignorantly persisted on multiple fronts with absolutly no foundation of logic. I hope you do find your time spent on this amazing ( no pun intended ) blog to be fun and informative as its intended but if you continue your current pace I doubt you’ll be changing anyone perceptions of you, let alone mine. Anyway If in time I find you not to be the troll I’ve percieved you to be then I will make amends with you in time. Until then blog on as it is your God given right to express yourself with your equally enabled peers.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 1, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
LULZ.
Trust me I’m the last guy to be critical of anyone else, especially newcomers as my indoctrination was not pretty.
I remember those days…you were knocked around pretty hard when you first started posting.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 1, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The good ol' days
MTC is still my hero for peeling wolves like the both of you off my ass!!
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
You don't know that.
The majority of income that baseball clubs get come from media ads, large corporations, and things up that ally. Individual ticket purchases (which is how most people get their tickets) doesn’t factor into a massive percentage of annual revenue, like those above things do.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 1, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice article,
but why the hate for shea?
such an awful stadium
sure it wasn’t the nicest stadium, but I loved it



































