Projecting The Mets' Opening Day Roster
Apart from seeing actual baseball games for the first time in many months, everybody's favorite part of spring training are the furious rosterbation sessions, which are driven primarily by informed speculation and unabashed wishcasting. Opening Day is still a month hence, but I think we have enough information to make some fairly reliable predictions about the 25-man roster based on past experience and a bit of deductive reasoning. What follows is my projected Mets roster for Opening Day. It's worth noting that this isn't my ideal roster, i.e., I wouldn't necessarily construct the team this way if I had my druthers, but I consider it the most likely roster based on what we know about the team, its management, and the particular circumstances of each player.
THE STARTING FIVE
- Mike Pelfrey. He's the Opening Day starter.
- R.A. Dickey. He was the best pitcher on the team in 2010.
- Jon Niese. Ran out of gas in the latter parts of 2010 but he's a lock for the starting rotation.
- Chris Young. Signed to a big league contract so it's either here or the bullpen, and I think the Mets already know who'll be in the rotation.
- Chris Capuano. There was some talk before spring training that Capuano might be sent to the bullpen, but I don't see it happening.
THE RELIEF CORPS
- Francisco Rodriguez. He's the closer, but the Mets would be wise to label him publicly as the relief ace, giving them cover—especially from the MLBPA—to use him in high-leverage, non-save situations. Doing so would help them keep Rodriguez from finishing the 55 games necessary to guarantee his 2012 contract at $17.5 million.
- Bobby Parnell. He struck out 33 and walked just eight in 35 innings last season. He does have one option year remaining, so that gives the Mets a bit of flexibility if they decide to carry someone else at any point. Nevertheless, I think Parnell will make the team out of the gate because he's a better pitcher than Boof Bonser, Blaine Boyer, and other minor league flotsam.
- D.J. Carrasco. Signed a two-year, major league contract this offseason, so he's making the team.
- Manny Acosta. Out of options, and he pitched well enough for the Mets last season—42 strikeouts and 18 walks in 39.2 innings—that I expect him to make the cut.
- Pedro Beato. His Rule 5 status—i.e., that the Mets would have to offer him back to the Orioles if he doesn't stay with the major league team all season—gives him an advantage over other borderline candidates who are signed to minor league deals or are in camp as non-roster invitees.
- Taylor Buchholz. Signed to a major league deal so he'll need to clear waivers if he doesn't make the Opening Day roster.
- Taylor Tankersley. You've gotta have a lefty in the bullpen and Tank will be the one. Pat Misch was another option but he's more useful as a starter anyway.
THE STARTING LINEUP
- Ike Davis. No doubter.
- Luis Castillo. I don't necessarily want it this way, but I think Luis Castillo will be the Opening Day second baseman. At the very least he'll make the team in a backup role, as his on-base and base-stealing skills could be useful in the late innings.
- David Wright. Trade this guy.
- Jose Reyes. Too flashy.
- Josh Thole. I've been crushing on Thole since October 2008 and he should get the bulk of the playing time at catcher this season.
- Jason Bay. Too big to fail.
- Angel Pagan. Team player.
- Carlos Beltran. Selfish attention whore made a big show out of moving to right field. #BlameBeltran
THE BENCH
- Mike Nickeas. Will back up Thole while Ronny Paulino serves out his PED-related suspension through the first eight games of the season.
- Chin-lung Hu. The Mets will want a credible glove to back up Reyes and none of the other second base candidates can claim such adroitness at shortstop.
- Scott Hairston. Signed a big league deal, and is actually pretty good.
- Willie Harris. Do the Mets need a weak-hitting fifth outfielder? Maybe not, but Harris, in camp on a minor league deal, will probably make the club.
- Daniel Murphy. He could displace Castillo as the starting second baseman, but his versatility to "play" third base and first base give him the edge over Brad Emaus, who will be offered back to the Blue Jays.
JUST MISSED
Jason Isringhausen has been a compelling story in camp and I think he has an outside shot at making the roster. If the Mets don't like what they see from Beato, or if they jettison Acosta, Izzy could slide into the last bullpen spot. Tim Byrdak could make the team as well, and if Tank tanks this spring then the Mets might look elsewhere for southpaw relief.
If the Mets bite the bullet and cut Castillo, Emaus is probably next in line to make the Opening Day roster because of his Rule 5 status. I think he's far more likely to be offered back to his old team than is Beato, however. Nick Evans is out of options and would have to be passed through waivers to return to the minors, and his lefty-mashing bat is unlikely to elude the grasp of all 29 other teams.
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Might as well offer Emaus back to Toronto now.
I seriously doubt that Castillo will get that job. Either he’ll have to tear the cover off the ball this month or Emaus will have to completely tank. I just find it really hard to believe that the Mets will just hand Emaus back to Toronto based on one month of part-time evaluation.
I think Byrdak gets the LOOGY role based on his veteran status, but that battle needs more time to develop. Tankersley has been knocked around in a couple of appearances this spring, albeit by right handed batters.
I agree on Byrdak
Keeping it in the context of what I think the Mets will do, for the same veteran reason you note, I think they’ll keep Byrdak over Tankersley if they only keep one of them.
Not getting it
I am not a sabermetrician and my baseball knowledge is definitely sub-par compared to most of the group here. I do not always have the most baseball intelligible things to write, but I need your help. Why, for the love of God, do people want to see David Wright traded? I just do not get it. In my humble opinion, right now, he is the best baseball player we got and has been really the only bright spot we’ve had in a horrile half decade. Wright handles himself well and has been a good ambassador of our team. Please enlighten me. (or is it all a joke?) Thanks. Also, if this team wants to get younger, why would they pick Castillo over Emaus? And why would they pick Harris over Evans (leave the CF argument out of it, if Pagan and Beltran go down at the same time, can bring someone else up and we’re screwed anyway. Harris, I do not think, is an upgrade over a minor leaguer).
Trading Wright is basically a joke in these circles
Longer tenured members might be able to explain it better, but its a reaction to a bunch of journalism that says the Mets need to trade the core of their roster (Wright, Reyes, etc.) in order to improve/rebuild/gain payroll flexibility/etc.
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by blueandorange4life on Mar 7, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
You forgot he isn’t clutch. they need to get rid of him and bring in David Eckstien and his dirty uniform and clutchiness.
30 HRs, .380 OBP and .500+ SLG don’t win championships. Dirty uniforms do. And clutchiness.
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You didn’t see through Mr Simon’s biting and cutting edge sarcasm.
It’s a joke, aimed at the media and wfan callers based on their “trade the core” lobby the last few years.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 7, 2011 1:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cool
Thanks. I am not always able to read every post and sometimes left on the outside of these jokes. Plus, only found AA about a year ago or so, still getting to know a lot of you.
Eric you should update the AA Memes
Who isn’t even on there
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by Bobby Baseball on Mar 7, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, he's on first
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by blueandorange4life on Mar 7, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
The Kannon was supposed to do that months ago
Michkin has the unofficial rules list. I do think a few more have popped up since then.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 7, 2011 8:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do you do weddings and bar mitzvahs?
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Why are we keeping Willie Harris and Scott Hairston?
I feel like they both pretty much bring the same thing to the table. I’d cut one (Hairston imo) and keep Evans over him any day.
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isn't harris on a minor league deal anyway?
seems like stashing him in AAA for depth is a good idea.
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 7, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Harris has an opt-out if he doesn't make the big club
He’ll use it, cause someone else will likely take him for a defensive sub/pinch runner if we don’t – and I don’t think Hairston can play CF well enough to be considered for the same role.
true, i guess if we're being really cautious with Beltrans knees harris makes more sense
but if Beltran can handle the occasional CF then harris is replaceable
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 7, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Dump Harris or AAA his butt
and keep Evans who is definitely worth a long term look.
by ScottfromPeekskill on Mar 7, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
This.
If injury causes us to have to play someone other than Pagan in CF for an extended period of time, just call up Pridie.
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yeah pirdie, like Harris is a glove without a particularly exciting bat
dont see why we really NEED to keep Harris around if theres a more productive use of the roster spot
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 7, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Keeping Harris prevents Harris from stopping late-inning rallies.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 7, 2011 8:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
imagine his rage if we let him go
he’ll destroy us
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 7, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
That's at least three wins right there.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 7, 2011 10:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's just to
back up in CF. and he’s played a lot more CF than Harris has over the past 3 or 4 seasons. Not sure where this sense that Harris is so important to keep…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Hairston has a major league deal, which is puzzling
Harris is on a minor league deal so he’s more likely to not make the OD roster.
by James Kannengieser on Mar 7, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well, one's a lefty and one's a righty for one thing
Evans’ upside is basically Hairston minus the high-quality OF defense. I say put Evans on waivers and if someone wants him, wish him well. Hairston is an accomplished 4th OF and I don’t think we’re gonna just cut him to make room for a guy who’s had very mixed results in the minors.
Harris has less power than Hairston but draws more walks and he can play everywhere except catcher which is nice.
They both had really low BABIPs last year and hopefully can bounce back to their typical “around league-average hitting plus some defensive value”.
What exactly is Harris bouncing back to?
The guy fields like and Endy but hits like an Ollie. Evans can spell RF or LF as needed, Hairston and Beltran field CF when Pagan needs a breather.
just say no to bad offense!
by ScottfromPeekskill on Mar 7, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
not entirely true
prior to 2010, Harris had a couple of good yrs at the plate… thing is, at 33 what is the likelihood of him returning to that level…?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Harris has batted .240/.341/.394 since the start of 2007
Not great, but at least he gets on base, and he can run and field.
Over the same period, Nick Evans hit .257/.298/.410 in the majors and .249/.319/.467 in AAA. What makes you so sure that Evans is gonna outhit Harris?
Harris is 33 and prob peaked 2 or 3 yrs ago
while Nick is 25 and prob hasn’t peaked yet.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
beside that,
Nick is just a better hitter.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he can improve enough to get his career MLB batting line up to .268/.310/.425
Then he’ll be Jeff Francoeur minus the arm!
by psiogen on Mar 7, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Evans is (and likely always will be) a LHP masher who is best not used against RHP.
Perhaps he can get his numbers vRHP closer to league average – and if he does, he would be a great bench piece – but even if he doesn’t he is still a weapon.
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I'd say that hasn't been proven out
as of yet.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
which is...
ding-ding! Jeff Francoeur… an absolutely useful piece if used correctly.
Kicking knowledge in the face.
why does it matter what he did
in 225 PAs across 3 seasons? It should only matter what he does going forward.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Right
But I’d rather have Evans’ bat/youth/upside then a couple of league average (at best) veterans. We can keep one for the OF defense, but I don’t see why we need two guys who are pretty much defensive specialists and shitty hitters. Evans can back up at first and the corners. Murphy should be playing second, and Castillo should be cut. Castillo is not part of this teams future and I’d rather pay him six million bucks to hand out cotton candy than to see him clog up our infield for a 5th year.
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I was with you until
you said Murphy should be playing 2B…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently every professional coach that the Mets employ think he shows enough promise at the position to spend time instructing him every day...
And his D just got a shout-out from Collins on TV.
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 7, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you're right.
doesn’t mean any of them will ultimately conclude that he will be good enough to play 2B once real games begin, does it?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
can't give those anymore either?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
that's why it's
an opinion, not a fact. I took the AA remedial class just the other day.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
The only positions Harris has played recently with any consistency are LF and RF.
For anywhere else you have to go back to a smattering in ’09 at CF (54 games started), 2B (9 games started), and else where at even less.
Although he did play CF for 4 innings and 3B for 22 innings in ’10.
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yeah, let's ease up with
the notion that Harris will play anywhere but OF…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Does anybody think we should put Wright at 2B
Platoon Murph/Emaus/Evans at third and cut down on throwing errors from that position
by The real Julio from Paterson on Mar 7, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Dubs to 2B is something that I wouldn't be vehemently against.
But it seems that Murphy is on his way to becoming acceptable at 2B.
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flip your calendars back two yrs and
just swap 2B for LF….
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
not really a fair comparison
Murph is a natural infielder, we put him in LF because we had nobody else to put there and hoped he’d work out. He’s got a better chance of sticking at 2nd than in LF IMO
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 7, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
still I'd imagine it's less of a change to go from third to second than third to outfield
even if second is a harder position in the spectrum
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 7, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
it still remains to be
seen whether Murph will be able to play a ML caliber 2B… and if we’d even need him to if either Emaus or Turner can hack it there on a regular basis.
Was just commenting on the irony of the statement that he’s “on his way to becoming acceptable at 2B…”
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
that 2 yrs ago
we were having the same conversation about Murphy, only the position was different. but you knew what I meant.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
You've got to admit that trying to find a place for Murphy
is becoming comical. I mean, he’s a talented hitter but not a world-beating one, and 2nd base is an important position to attempt to shoehorn someone into. Trying to deny that we’re all crossing our fingers and hoping real hard here is kind of silly.
Neither Emaus nor Turner are really known for their defensive prowess either
If Murph can even accomplish basic competency at 2b, then it’s just going to come down to who’s the best bat when spring training ends.
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 7, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
personally
i don’t feel like either needs to be Robbie Alomar, but I’m still pretty sure that either can play an adequate 2B. We can’t say the same yet about DanM yet.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Also
he’s said that he never really felt comfortable in the OF and that even though 2B is different, just being in the IF gives him a comfortable feeling.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
when he flubs an easy
popup and has trouble turning 2, I’ll take comfort in knowing he’s at least comfortable.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it
what do you want from Murphy? Almost all of the comments this spring have been positive and he seems to be improving. With the comment about a flubbed popup, it’s obvious you don’t want Castillo. And with all the talk about defense at 2B, it can’t be that you want Emaus or Turner, because almost all of the scouting reports call them adequate defensively at best, so what is it? It can’t be that you want Murphy on the bench because he can play first or third, either.
So, really, what do you not like about Dan Murphy, and who do you like better than him? Seriously.. it really doesn’t make a difference who you like between these guys. It all matters whose bat you like best. In that case, you’d have to pick between Murphy and Emaus, correct? So it has to be that you like Emaus’ bat a lot and/or don’t want to give him back to Toronto, so he’s your guy, right?
If THAT is your reason, why the hell do you bash on the Irish Hammer? :(
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by BlackOps on Mar 7, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
huh?
Do you realize that Turner and Emaus have played several years at 2B in the minors? We don;t even know yet if Murph can turn 2.
I’m just skeptical he’ll be able to play an acceptable 2B… doesn’t mean I’ll be right.
If everyone has an equal chance here, I’d prob opt for giving Turner a shot to play 2B everyday for the 1st two months of the season at least to see what he can do. Alternately, we could give Emaus that shot also and have Turner stand by if it doesn’t work.
All the while, we have to hope that Havens continues to develop and can stay healthy.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
The important point here is we don't know if he can
but that also means we don’t know that he can’t. Until we get to see him turn two in a game it remains to be seen. From what the coaches have said, he’s looked good in practice with the maneuver. Maybe this will translate to real game situations and maybe not. If he has picked up the skill then theres no reason to think he can’t play second, if he hasn’t then he’ll take up his utility infielder role. Either way condemning him as not being worth a look at second base or anointing him our next second baseman are both stupid. lets just wait and see
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by KeithsMoustache on Mar 7, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope he is...
cause it is a vital up the middle position. I personally think we would be better defensively with Murph at 3rd and Wright at 2nd than the other way around.
by The real Julio from Paterson on Mar 7, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Umm sorry...what?
No thanks. Do you really want our best hitter to get hurt while learning to turn the double play at this point? I’ll bet the only place wright possibly goes is first base.
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by Steve Schreiber on Mar 7, 2011 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It probably won't be until he gets older if he does
I never liked right handed and or short first basemen.
by The real Julio from Paterson on Mar 7, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Same here
Lefty 1B are simply better, given comparable athleticism and skill. Its too bad that so many people treat 1B like its a DH spot.
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We should keep Wright at 3B
and figure out a way to hold down the fort at 2B until Havens, or some other credible long term solution, is ready and available.
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Those 54 starts in CF in 09 represented most of his playing time for the year.
It’s true that he played hardly any CF in 2010, but that’s mainly because the Nats acquired Nyjer Morgan.
I would rather see Jesus than Harris
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Mar 7, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
is he even in camp this season?
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Mar 7, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still in my Alderson honeymoon phase,
in that I’m not fretting over offering Emaus back or losing Evans. If the FO thinks that’s what’s best for the team moving forward, I will blindly trust their decisions for now. I think Minaya burned me out after last Spring Training with the decisions to break camp with Mike Jacobs, Catalanotto, GMjr, and Mejia.
Hairston a good character guy and has bench power
He’s an upgrade from Chris Carter. Harris is ok because of the glove but I’d rather see evans make the team.
by The real Julio from Paterson on Mar 7, 2011 1:36 PM EST reply actions
I agree
Hairston sucks! If that’s what you want you should have kept Cora. Give Evans a chance instead of these useless POS’s.
Scott Haiston is no Alex Cora
Hariston is a positive WAR player (1.6, 2.2, 1.9, 0.4 each of the last 4 years respectively) and is making $1.1M.
Cora is a near replacement level player (0.4, 0.5, 0.0, -0.5 each of the last 4 years respectively) and made $2M.
Using the standard 1 WAR = ~$4M, for Hariston to be worth his contract he will have to put up .3 WAR. A feat completely within his range.
For Cora to have been worth his contract, he would have had to put up ~.5 WAR. Something he would only be able to achieve at the very top of his game.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Or a triple threat match including Duda?
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Sorry EMoneyBags...
Sometimes I complete my thoughts after hitting the post button.
by The real Julio from Paterson on Mar 7, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I got my money on the Hebrew Hammer.
by The real Julio from Paterson on Mar 7, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
That was a great movie.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 7, 2011 8:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nick Evans appears to be viewed as a 1B/3B not an OF
Which is why I think he won’t make the club. We are strong at those positions and there is too much overlap with Daniel Murphy for the backup role.
I am curious to see if Evans gets any innings as a corner OF this spring. Or has he already?
Murphy starts over Castillo, and Evans gets the other bench spot
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by Rickfansince76 on Mar 7, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Even if Evans dosent make the club out of spring
I have to beleive he’ll contribute at some point. When harris hits .213 thru mid May Evans will be ready for the callup.
by The real Julio from Paterson on Mar 7, 2011 2:03 PM EST reply actions
Simon mentions above
That Evans is out of options, which means he would have to pass through the waiver wire unclaimed by the other 29 teams before returning to the minors. It could happen but somehow it doesn’t seem likely given Evans’ legitimate major league batting ability.
I wish somebody felt inspired to investigate every team’s roster to see who needs a RH corner IF (hint, hint)!
by TheBigStapler on Mar 7, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Bay needs a big 1st Half
But who knows. Teams needs won’t establish themselves until a few months at least as guys flame out or underperform but your right getting out from under 4 yrs and like over 60 mil cause he only got 6.5 mil last year and has an Omar special at the tail end would be great flexibility wise.
by The real Julio from Paterson on Mar 7, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Oh sorry I just got that IF meant infield not left field. Maybe i'm slow but what are u
Hinting.
by The real Julio from Paterson on Mar 7, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
someone certainly will (in my opinion).
and I wish his label as a platoon player would go away… the idea that he can;t hit RHed pitching isn’t supported by what he did in 2010.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
In 2010 vRHP: .267/.267/.267 (freakish)
Career vRHP: .169/.183/.270
He’s best used only against LHP.
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in 414 PAs
between AA and AAA, Evans hit about .850 vs. RHed pitching in 2010.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
but let's use
the 93 ML PAs he’s had in his career… 15 in the freakish 2010!
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
My "freakish" remark was only a comment that he AVG'd, OBP'd, and SLG'd the same exact number.
It was not a remark on quality.
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oh Hah!
I honestly didn’t notice that.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
ha ha
I was not so surreptitiously asking any reader to do the hard work of looking at every team’s roster and minor league depth chart to find what teams need a backup corner infielder that bats right-handed—because I’d like to know but don’t want to spend hours doing it.
by TheBigStapler on Mar 7, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
now evidently
Collins “owes” it to Ollie to allow him to compete (cough cough) for the LOOGY job… I thought $12M was enough to owe him.
I swear you can’t make this stuff up.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 4:58 PM EST reply actions
He's going to watch him pitch tomorrow and if he sucks, it's probably a couple more nails in the coffin.
Seriously can’t make this completely normal stuff up…
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Normal?
the guy who hasn’t been able to get ML hitters out since 08, has lost 5 mph on his FB at 29, cannot pitch in relief cause he’s too wild, refused a minor league assignment last season to work on his game so that he might eventually be of use to the team, and now the team feels it “owes him something” by trying to find a roster spot for him in the pen…
it’s completely normal that the team feels it owes Perez something beyond the $12M they’re contractually bound to pay him in light of how he hasn’t earned a penny of the $24M they’ve paid him the past 2 yrs?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
A veteran who's on the verge of his career being over getting one last look? Yes, completely normal.
Also, as far as Collins saying that he “owes” it too Perez, you have to remember that he has dozens of other players who he still has to work with and might, just might, get rubbed the wrong way if Collins unceremoniously and unsympathetically cuts him.
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ceremoniously and
unsympathetically?
We must be talking about another player… that, or you just like to argue over everything I write.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
oops, meant
unceremoniously….
why in the world should they have any sympathy for the guy? He hasn’t given a damn about the team all while making a killing off of it the past 2 years… have sympathy for a player who dedicates himself to the game and is just hanging on and hasn’t cashed in big yet… that’s who I’d be pulling for, not Follie.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 7, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Because some players might be aware that they too will someday be in a similar situation
where they no longer have the ability to play the game and hope that their manager has the kindness/wherewithal to treat him like a person who’s about to lose their livelihood and give them every chance within reason to continue that career. Perez definitely isn’t a deserving candidate, but Dickey expressed that he felt for him not only on a human level, but also on a teammate level and I don’t think it’s out of the question that there might be others who do as well. Collins is a manager who has been accused of having his clubhouse turn on him in the past; I think he’s doing the right thing.
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bet no one
ever accused you of under-analyzing a situation.
But can’t tell if you’re for real sometimes. I mean, I’ve seen rationalizations before, but this one might take the cake. Next, you’ll be saying that he should be in the last round of cuts just before the team heads north just to be sure we send him off with dignity.
Bottom line is that the Mets owe Perez no special consideration. I’m sure there are just about, let’s see, probably every other player in camp is more respected than Follie. I doubt any Met is going to lose a wink if Follie gets cut this week.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 8, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
I explained my thoughts
and Dickey himself said that same (feeling for someone – even Perez – in that position). You can blow things people write out of proportion and “extrapolate” things people say all you want.
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someone
has to be the first cut, no? Is is better if that first cut is say, Mike O’Connor instead of Follie? just curious.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 8, 2011 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
They said they were going to do their first round of cuts soon
so likely there won’t be a “first” person cut.
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same point.
someone will be among the 1st cuts. Is there some special reason why Ollie’s feelings should trump those of others who could be in the initial round of cuts?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 8, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
When did I say Perez shouldn't be among the players included in the 1st round of cuts?
Cutting a player before the 1st round of cuts or specifically naming a first player to be cut would be odd though.
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that seems pretty
unikely now that OP will be competing for a pen spot now.
Either we’re seeing the charade continue or a path to OP making the team… take your pick.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 8, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Where are you getting that this is his audition part II?
Collins said that he was going to watch him today and he had specific things he wanted to see. Not that he was going to watch him today, had specific thing he wanted to see in order for him to be a starter, and if Perez fails they move on to looking at him in the pen.
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Recent reports.
assumed that they’d want to see him come in to a game that he didn’t start at least a few times if they were indeed committed to giving him the opportunity to make it as LOOGY… wouldn’t you think?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 8, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
here.
Terry Collins, Sandy Alderson and Dan Warthen are due to huddle as soon as today to come up with a plan going forward for Oliver Perez, yet the answer appears already known. The trio has committed to next giving Ollie a chance to audition for a lefty specialist role, as an intermediate step toward eating his $12 million contract.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 9, 2011 7:01 AM EST up reply actions
How much of a chance do you think he's really going to get, though?
His fastball is barely touching 87 as a starter; do you think he’s just going to gain 7 or 8 MPH by moving to the pen? Collins already knows Ollie can’t pitch well enough to make the team; moving him to the bullpen is just a way to get other, more deserving pitchers some innings. They’re not planning to cut anyone until the 14th, so why go out of your way to look like assholes by cutting Ollie a few days early?
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 9, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
do I think he's
going to flip a switch and gain 7 mph on his heater? what do you think the answer to that is?
Where did you see 1st cuts are the 14th?
Either way, it’s an embarrassing charade. No way in hell the Mets would look like assholes for cutting Follie at any moment… that’s absurd considering how he pissed on the team last season by refusing minor league assignment. The guy isn’t a ML pitcher right now and everyone knows it.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 9, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Someone posted here
that Collins said the first round of cuts would be then. And yeah, like Ogre said already, Collins and Alderson would kind of look bad for cutting the guy early. Just because his teammates know he sucks doesn’t mean they don’t feel for the guy. And I’m pretty sure nobody gets cut at ST all by themselves, so cutting Ollie and nobody else would draw notice from other players.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 9, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
Collins is someone who has been accused of having his clubhouse turn on him in the past. No reason to do anything abnormal like cutting 1 singe player a week before the 1st round of cuts. The press may like it now, but you can bet your ass that at the 1st sign of trouble they blow that out of proportion. Non to mention that Dickey has already said that he feels for Perez on a human level and teammate level, there are probably at least a few others.
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 9, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I assume the charade
will continue until the 1st round of cuts are made.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 9, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
You were claiming they already had said they were going to move him to the pen.
This report is form this morning (3/9).
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 9, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
doesn't it confirm
what the earlier reports were?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 9, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
What earlier reports?
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 9, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And you're stubborn.
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 9, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you argued this and were wrong
Where are you getting that this is his audition part II?
Collins said that he was going to watch him today and he had specific things he wanted to see. Not that he was going to watch him today, had specific thing he wanted to see in order for him to be a starter, and if Perez fails they move on to looking at him in the pen.
now you’re just continuing to argue regardless.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 9, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
So you can look into a future articles to get facts?
Interesting.
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 9, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
MetsBlog
carried multiple reporter tweets on it early yesterday.
But you evidently think I pulled it out of my ass.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 9, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
When I asked "What earlier reports?"
that might have been a good time to say that instead of calling me an “argumentative beotch.”
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 9, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no,
that comment seemed apropos at the time.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 9, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
No, it wasn't.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 9, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how so?
I told you there were reports on this and you chose not to believe me.
Do you think I would say there were reports on something and all the while be pulling it out of my rear? Do you think that I can see future articles to get these facts?? interesting.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 10, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Usually
when someone claims to have read something, and then someone else asks “where”, the normal response is to give a source, not call someone a name because they asked a legitimate question.
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by Ogre39666 on Mar 10, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1st, I don't believe there is
a “someone else” in this matter. You asked quite snarkily, “Where are you getting that this is his audition part II?”
I answered, from “recent reports.” And also offered as further reasons that they’d prob want to see him come out of the pen a few times.
Only when you continued your snarkiness with inane questions about time and space did I offer you what was an appropriate response.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 10, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm happy
to move on with my life at this point. I think this subject has been exhausted.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 10, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
He can hit 1.000
And I still want him in AAA, to make sure he can handle an entire season.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 7, 2011 8:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This.
Luckily, I trust Alderson to keep him in AAA.
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Mar 7, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, totally
Just showing a little Fernanman Martincrush.
by TheBigStapler on Mar 7, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt
As one of the few who still has sees in him good things, keep up the faith, brother.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 7, 2011 10:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i don't know what to expect
maybe i could be okay with this team just winning 115 games or should we go for 130, of course we might flop and only win 100, but im optimistic what do you think? of course dickey is winning the CY and Olie is winning comeback player of the year, but do you think, although he will be in the running, that josh thole is winning the triple crown> what do you think
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"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengal
i cant spell a nosebleed
it's baseball season, and i hate you oliver perez!!!
Ollie can win Comeback Player of the Year for someone else, thankyouverymuch.
Like PSL, or the Culiacan Tomateros.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 7, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Leave the Tomatoes out of this.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 8, 2011 12:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Leave the Tomatoes out of this.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 8, 2011 12:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you know i was joking right?
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengal
i cant spell a nosebleed
it's baseball season, and i hate you oliver perez!!!
I know.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 8, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
the idea that 'Tron
is going to go north and be part of the initial 25 is beginning to look dim. I think the focus is quickly going to turn to how adequate Duda looks in RF.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 8, 2011 9:40 AM EST reply actions
or if we're looking at Scotty Hairston starting in CF and
Angel sliding over to RF?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 8, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
either way, I think that
contingency plans are taking shape as we speak.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Mar 8, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe you want to take a breath and compose your thoughts before you post sometimes.
But if Beltran does start the season on the DL, then it seems likely that Who makes the team.
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