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This Week in Mets Quotes

Obviously where Perez got his attitude #blamebeltran

"Going and playing in the minor leagues it’s boring, honestly." Beltran via sports.yahoo.com

Star-divide

But what if they break up

" ‘I like Ike.’ That’s going to be my next tattoo." Reyes via the Star-Ledger

That is why you fail

"In this town, you cannot go two years without being a contender."  Omar via nyt

He proceeded to tell Luis Hernandez he was his starting second basemen

"I told Carlos (Beltran) today, if you want to look at the Opening Day lineup, let me know because I've got it in my drawer, and your name is on it hitting fourth."  Terry Collins, in mid-March, sports.yahoo.com

Well I’m glad Omar learned from his experience

"Look, obviously, Luis Castillo and Ollie Perez didn’t work out, but I can’t tell you in retrospect I wouldn’t have done it."  Omar via nyt

So if the Mets win, give credit where it’s due

"I’m a glass-half-full guy.  I’m attached to those guys. I may be wrong, but I think they’re capable of contending. On opening day they might have seven home-grown players in the starting lineup." Omar via nyt

He continued, I’m happy with my jersey, happy with sun, happy with sky

"I’m happy with my stuff, happy with my mechanics, happy with my health." Young via sports.yahoo.com

Quotes of the Week

Chris Rock on David Letterman

"I'm a Met fan.  I appreciate the Yankees. Don't get me wrong. But, you know, they've got all the money. It's like rooting for Steve Jobs to hit the Lotto or something."

"My team's broke, Dave. Some teams don't have a cleanup hitter. Some teams don't have a closer, or a good pitcher. My team has no money, Dave."

"Do you have season tickets?" Letterman

"Dave ... they don't have tickets no more, Dave," Rock

"Really? No more tickets?" Letterman

"No more tickets. Tickets cost money. They're on paper. They have no paper, Dave. ... A dog licks your hand, and you show the spit, and they let you in.  This year, second base is a manhole cover, Dave.  For the whole year. The whole year. Between every inning, they use the other teams' gloves…No catcher's mask this year. They just get an ugly guy already.  The Yankees have got bat day. The Mets have got bring a bat day. 'Here you go Jose Reyes. My daddy gave me this for Christmas.' Maybe you can use this." Rock

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I missed these segments

Glad to see the this week in Mets quotes back in action, even if I imagine it will be slightly less ridiculous with Jerry and Omar out of the picture.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Apr 1, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

that's OK

there are still plenty of idiot sports commentators to quote. Hell Murray Chass is still writing about baseball.

by aparkermarshall on Apr 2, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh, Chris Rock is funny.

“This year, second base is a manhole cover, Dave”. That’s like the rock we have in the outfield.

No SiteBot facepalm of the week? I’m sure that, given everything that’s gone on in the last week or so here, there’d be plenty of possible ones.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 1, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

sitebot facepalm overload

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Apr 1, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Must be.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 1, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Combination of overload

and starting the season on a happy note.

by Sokojoe on Apr 2, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hah

I might need a digest of the season’s facepalms. My Netbook is destroyed by gamethreads and internet access is scant but I still look forward to them.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Apr 3, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

!

Mookie!

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Apr 3, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mookie!

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 3, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I’m glad Omar learned from his experience

“Look, obviously, Luis Castillo and Ollie Perez didn’t work out, but I can’t tell you in retrospect I wouldn’t have done it.” Omar via nyt

Wow, am I glad he’s gone. Imagine how much worse he could have made things. Does he want to get another job? I mean, did he see Ollie play? Did he hear him refuse to go to the minors to work on things 10 times? Did he see Castillo gimp and mope around?

No wonder we are in such bad spots and collapsed under his watch numerous times. I was so excited when he first came on board, i can’t believe he ended up being such as disaster

BigAppleMetsTalk

by BigAppleMetsTalk on Apr 2, 2011 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

He's a reactionary GM who

basically got where he was because the organization gave him lots of money to throw around (Pedro, Beltran), had a farm system that was ripe when he was coming on board (Wright, Reyes), got lucky with a few “market corrections” (Delgado, Lo Duca), and genuinely made a few good low-impact trades/signings that turned into high-impact trades/signings (Maine, Endy, Valentin, Dickey). Other than that, though…Meh.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have nothing to argue with here

But before he came to the Mets, he was spoken of quite highly. My personal baseball history doesn’t go back very far, but I knew of him years ago because of how people spoke about his abilities. Is this just a matter of good-old-boy baseball inc. not having much of a clue? His personableness being the primary factor, outweighing substantive judgment? I guess that’s not surprising, it’s not like it’s a rare thing in life.

by SuperT on Apr 2, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think his personality was likely a big part of that reputation.

He had the reputation of being a great scouting guy back in the late 90’s/early 00’s when he worked under Steve Phillips as the Mets assistant GM and I remember being disappointed when he left to go to Montreal. I think a lot of his flaws came from him being taken out of that scouting environment…the guy just wasn’t good at making smart contracts with players and far too often, if he hit on a long shot player, he’d stick with him for too long (case in point…Jose Valentin, El Duque, Endy) instead of letting them go or dealing them at peak value for somebody better.

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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't blame Omar.

Yes he gave out big contracts to big name players which fit in with Ownership’s needing to make a bigger splash to sell SNY and to sell the idea of a new stadium. Ownership, who was behind such deferment plans as Bonilla’s 25 year contract, operated under a Madoff mentality that there was near unlimited sums from investments and loans for an unlimited amount of time. All you have to do is to look at their financial strategies to realize the money Omar gave out was less important than the press coverage. He did after all work for the Wilpons, not independently.

The only place the Wilpons went on the cheap was the draft, not out of necessity but out of a desire to kiss Selig’s ass with adhering to the slot money. That wasn’t Omar’s idea, and all you have to do is to look at our Top Prospects to see the excellent job he did going around the restrictions he had in the draft by mining the international market. If you want proof how good Omar was as a GM look no further than the fact that Sandy & Co. has kept the international department in tack, no changes, it’s Omar’s guys.

Steve Phillips admitted that he knew Madoff very well and Madoff name was mentioned in almost all the discussions about contracts and how they were to be structured. We can be sure the same was true during Omar’s. So don’t blame Omar for anything more than making two moves which didn’t work out, the size of the contracts were irrelevant. Look at all his successes in this year’s team alone where he has a responsibility in either acquiring the player, drafting the player, or signing them to extensions: Davis, Reyes, Wright, Thole, Bay, Pagan, Beltran, Pelfrey, Niese, Dickey, KRod, Parnell. That’s the heart of our team. Try a little balance.

by dougdilg on Apr 2, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wasn’t Omar’s idea, and all you have to do is to look at our Top Prospects to see the excellent job he did going around the restrictions he had in the draft by mining the international market.

He didn’t really do that good of a job drafting the draftees he did pick, and, on the international market, which was supposed to be our thing, he didn’t particularly get much out of that, either.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meija, Flores, Puello

are our top 3 prospects and legitimate top end prospects. Harvey, Pelfrey, Niese, Havens. How about Ike Davis which Depo could have taken over Dykstra. The only reason for our low placement overall in Prospects list is in depth where we got hurt by the slot policy.

by dougdilg on Apr 2, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'd think a GM would at least be able to get the Wilpons to open the purse strings a bit.

I mean an extra 3-4 million dollars spent in the draft would’ve been huge for the system’s depth. Also, I don’t think the problem with the international scouting was the staff…they were supposedly very good. The problem again was the lack of money spent down there and the lack of total prospects they came out with. Sure they got a couple of solid prospects, but with a few more million, there’d likely be more depth in the system.

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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The issue wasn't the money

The Wilpons wanted to be good baseball citizens and follow the recommended protocol, even though other teams were not.

"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden

by Russ on Apr 2, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the by product of being "good baseball citizens"

is spending less (or no) money on overslot picks, right?

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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is one byproduct

Another is that the farm system has been so weak that they have spent tens of millions/year in free agents to try to compensate.

"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden

by Russ on Apr 3, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame Omar for not realizing that you can't surround 3 superstars with crap.

I blame Omar for throwing around vests like candy. I blame Omar for hiring Jerry.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Apr 3, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wonder if lover boy Steve Philips was shlonging Madoff's daughter.She is short and

plump and she looks like Bernie except she has long hair.That’s Stevie’s type.

by Putnan Prince on Apr 4, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Castillo's contract was a year too long....

And we could hammer him on Ollie all day but the fact of the matter was Ollie was 25-15 the 2 years leading up to free agency. He showed a propensity for pitching up to the situation in 2008 against the Yanks and Phils, obliterated lefties and he proved he could pitch in NY up to that point. Look at what Silva and Wolf and Suppan and Meche got..That was what the Market was…

by The real Julio from Paterson on Apr 4, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who was available that winter at 2B...

And do you think Boras wouldn’t have gotten big bucks for Ollie regardless. Pitching is always the most valuable commodity in FA.

by The real Julio from Paterson on Apr 4, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who was available that winter at 2B...

And do you think Boras wouldn’t have gotten big bucks for Ollie regardless. Pitching is always the most valuable commodity in FA.

by The real Julio from Paterson on Apr 4, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, Boras wouldn't have gotten big bucks for Ollie.

There was literally no market for him; not one other team had any interest in him, except maybe as a minor-league FA. He wasn’t on anyone else’s radar that year. Omar really was bidding against himself.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 4, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

A minor league FA contract may be over exaggerating the situation a bit but

yeah, there was nobody in the running for Ollie at the time the Mets signed him, except for the typical Boras “mystery team.” However, I’m sure if the Mets didn’t sign Ollie and let him walk, some team would’ve eventually taken a flier on him late in the offseason when most of the other chips fell, maybe like one year deal worth somewhere between 4-6 million.

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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 4, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You really believe that???

Look at AJ Burnett and to a lesser extent John Lackey… Ollie was only 27 years old with great stuff at the time coming off one very good and one respectable year… Was it a horrible signing? In retrospect hell yeah, but at the time it absolutely was the right move.

by The real Julio from Paterson on Apr 5, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, it was not the right move at the time.

Nobody was going to offer Ollie anywhere close to 3/36.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 5, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ignoring whether or not they should have even looked to resign Ollie

Perez would have still been expensive, but not 3/36 expensive had it not been for Omar bidding against himself. And they could have still signed Castillo if they really wanted, but they didn’t have to give a 4 year contract to a player who no one could reasonably expect to preform well 4 years after the date it was signed.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Apr 4, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Castillo,

there were rumors that the Astros were willing to/planning to offer 3 years for him. I remember thinking that was insane…you know, stupid Ed Wade up to his old tricks.

And then Omar outdumbed him.

I’m still baffled as to how a 4 year deal for an aging 2bman with shoddy knees, diminished speed and no power was ever thought to be a good deal.

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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 4, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

And before you ask, Perez is Mexican.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 4, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe not 3/36 but at least 3/27 probably

and look at the recent contracts for pitchers, AJ, Lackey, CC, Lee, Johan, Lowe…everybody got more than 3 years and Oliie was younger than all of them..

by The real Julio from Paterson on Apr 5, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am really

happy to see this feature again.

by aparkermarshall on Apr 2, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

loved the Chris Rock bit

I’m sick of all the negativity about this team coming from the media and the fans, but Chis Rock managed to turn it into a bit that was actually funny without coming off as bitter or taking it out on the players.

by xnumberoneson on Apr 2, 2011 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

chris

lobbies to fire the pons. I think we are all behind that

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Apr 2, 2011 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i am sick of all the sickness

of all the negativity. who gives a shit if others in the interwebs are negative or positive? everyone will have their day and if you want to be a bitter or hopeful fan, knock yourself out. But know that if this is a reality based community then some bad news about the mets is bound to besmirch our precious ears occasionally.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 2, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously the Mets aren't in great shape

But the constant piling upon by hacks like Jon Heyman among others doesn’t serve any purpose, and it really comes off as biased.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on Apr 2, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think he meant rational evaluation

Even if it’s dismal. The default mets-are-a-joke standard, though, gets very tiresome.

by SuperT on Apr 2, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't read heyman

i don’t even get his tweets. i don’t get riled up about beat hacks; they have to put food on their families too. i am more interested in defend mets fans’ right to their jaundiced views and hey the mets are a joke. even if the joke is on us for now it won’t be for much longer.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Apr 2, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh me too

The “Steve Jobs hitting the lottery” bit is really true too

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Apr 3, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

in no way do I give Omar a pass on his time here

but I feel he gets blamed for more then he deserves, much like Isiah Thomas.

neither were good GMs. They are both good scouts that did bring in some good young players to this team (I do give him some credit for the fact that almost our whole starting lineup is homegrown guys that moved though the system on his watch.)

Much like IT with the knicks, the real problem was that being a GM is just as much being a Business man as it is being a scout, and neither one of those guys have ANY experience with business. Neither went to college, and neither had the background to negotiate with people like Scott Boras.

If I was running a company that sold Shirts and needed a new COO to run my operations, I wouldnt hire my best designer who didn’t have any management experience.

Omar was put in a situation he shouldnt have been in. To be a successful GM in any sport you need to have a strong understanding in both the sports scouting and the sports management. Being an assistant GM for a couple years does NOT equal getting a MBA. If Omar really wants to GM again, he should go back to business school for a couple years (I am sure he can afford it and would be accepted) and then he would be qualified for the job.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Apr 4, 2011 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

"Omar was put in a situation he shouldnt have been in."

The Peter Principle at work: Omar was a good scout, let’s make him GM. That’s not sarcastic mode. Unless you’re willing to always go old boy network and keep picking the same guys, how do you exactly know he shouldn’t have been put into the situation? I’m not trying to defend Omar, but I am willing to be devil’s advocate here. Or put it this way: if the Mets had considered a candidate for GM who had exactly the same philosophy as Sandy Alderson, but didn’t have the experience, would you say he shouldn’t get the job?

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Apr 4, 2011 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Reply fail

Meant as response to gbaked.

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Apr 4, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

because he went into the position with no real training in business and negotiations

Guys like Theo and Cashman went to 4 year schools. Sandy was a military man and has like 24 degrees.

It has nothing to do with the old boy network. It has to do with putting guys in a management position that are qualified to be in management. Being a scout and assistant to Steve phillips for a couple years does not make one qualified to negotiate $ 100mm contracts.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Apr 5, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's a difference of opinion re Cashman.

And I would submit that there have been many successful GMs who never got a degree. So I don’t accept the idea that it’s a prerequisite for success. I will say that it doesn’t hurt to have the degree, but there are people who have degrees but don’t have the smarts to be a GM. Sports business is not the same as business in general. Or to put it another way: Fred Wilpon has been a successful businessman; it doesn’t necessarily mean he been equally successful as a baseball owner.

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Apr 5, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

have there been successful gm's

in recent times that have nothing other then being a player scout?

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Apr 5, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't say there was

but it could happen. Someone who understands his own strengths and weaknesses and doesn’t let his ego get in the way so he can have the right support team in place. Of course, that wasn’t Omar.

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Apr 6, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Josh Byrnes

His only degree was a BA in English from Haverford College.
Also from Wikipedia:

He began his baseball career for the Cleveland Indians in 1994, quickly working his way up the organizational ladder, first as an intern, then as a video scout, and, eventually, to the position of scouting director in 1998. In 1999, he was hired by colleague Dan O’Dowd to fill the assistant GM position for the Colorado Rockies, a job he held for two years. He then took the same job under Theo Epstein and the Boston Red Sox until October 2005, when he was hired by the Diamondbacks to replace the departing interim General Manager Bob Gebhard.
Pretty much came up as a scout and learned everything else on the job.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Apr 6, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

I dont doubt it is still possible. And in no way do I think getting a degree is the only way…

I just feel that in this age of sports, having a GM who is experienced in both management and the sport is essential. I didnt get that from Omar (the same way I didnt get that from Thomas). There are exceptions of course… However, it seems Barnes a) does have a BA so he has some higher learning and b) spent over 10 years of assistant GMing for some very good GMs. Unlike Omar who had a couple years under Steve Phillips. Not all Assisting is created equal.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Apr 6, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

All things being equal

I’d take the guy with a BA in business or philosophy over the guy with no BA or an unrelated BA like English.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Apr 6, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It also depends on the nature of said Gm

and whether he undertsands his weaknesses enogh to sorround himself with good business people. To go back to your shirt company analogy, i wouldn’t hire my best designer for COO but if I was a rival company looking to make a splash, I might hire him ( or her) as CEO and hire a good business mind to the COO or CFO position. So to summarize, someone like Omar or to a lesser extant Byrnes, can be a succes as a GM as long as they hire sound business minds as their assistants, and listen to them.

A deadline has a wonderful way of concentrating the mind.-Professor James Moriarty

by Blame-everyone-else on Apr 7, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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