Marlins 6, Mets 2: We Waited Six Months For This
by Eric Simon on Apr 1, 2011 11:02 PM EDT
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I haven't written a real recap in more than six months and I'll confess to a bit of rustiness. The Mets looked to have the same problem tonight against Josh Johnson, but then they always have problems with Johnson, but then so do most teams. Great pitchers have a way of making decent teams look pretty bad, and they have a way of making Mets fans riding a modest wave of Opening Day excitement devolve into a blur of defeatism and self-loathing. Mike Pelfrey's ineffective start was simply grist for the depressing mill, and the gamethread nearly exploded when John Buck hit a grand slam in the bottom of the fourth.
The Mets had zero hits and a to their credit against Johnson through the first six innings before Willie Harris, starting because Jason Bay is on the disabled list, batting second because who the hell knows, led off the seventh with a single to center, which he hustled into a double because he plays the game the right way™. Two batters later, Carlos Beltran selfishly doubled Harris in with the first run. An Ike Davis ground out would narrow the deficit to 5-2, and after a Brad Emaus walk forced Johnson from the game we all got together and agreed that Moneyball definitely works.
Pedro Beato gave up three hits in two innings but didn't allow a run (nor did he walk or strike out anyone) in what should be considered a successful big league debut. Taylor Buchholz, who gave up a line drive home run to Logan Morrison, had a less auspicious first appearance with the Mets.
The game passed quickly, as most Opening Day affairs do. We're so excited for actual baseball that we can hardly remember all the details. Well, we remember the bad details for the most part. But it's one game of a long season in which few expect the Mets to do anything of consequence. The losing I can live with, but I can't really embrace the negativity or the this-is-what-it's-like-to-be-a-Mets-fan sad-sackery. We've got another game tomorrow, so I'll look forward to that.
SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* FishStripes Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: Pedro Beato, +1.8% WPA
Big losers: Mike Pelfrey, -20.1% WPA, David Wright, -6.1% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Sanchez ground out in first, -5.8% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Buck grand slam in fourth, -23.3% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: -19.9% WPA
Total batter WPA: -30.1% WPA
GWRBI!: John Buck
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by BobbyV_Incognito; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
| Num | Name | # of Posts |
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| 1 | BobbyV_Incognito | 273 |
| 2 | NetsMets4Life | 208 |
| 3 | Hoyadestroya85 | 192 |
| 4 | sparbz | 189 |
| 5 | scott from peekskill | 188 |
| 6 | Evan_S | 160 |
| 7 | aparkermarshall | 110 |
| 8 | fxcarden | 107 |
| 9 | BeltransMole | 105 |
| 10 | Kepler | 93 |
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1969, 1986, 2011: Lost on Opening Day.
traveling photoshooper.
i hate shane victorino more than anyone else.
@sparbz
by sparbz on Apr 1, 2011 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Other years too.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 1, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseball Almanac says we lost to the Cardinals 2-6 on Opening Day '86.
April 14th.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you guys mean home openers, or season openers.
Because I think dcmetsfan is referring to the season opener, which the 86 team won, 4-2 over the Pirates.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Baseball Almanac thing just says "New York Mets Opening Day History."
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/opening_day/odschedule.php?t=NYN
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 2, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's definitely home openers.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
It's one game, against a great pitcher who totally owns us
This season can’t start off any worse than last season did, so I’m optimistic.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
This has been a bad pair of Opening Days for me
Yankees won, Phillies won, Red Sox lost, Rays lost, Mets lost, Braves won.
I am even rooting for the Brewers and they lost!
No one mentioned the Family Guy clip flub by the SNY booth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0a36BPaYAU&feature=youtu.be
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Double-Bobby-Jones/137806699125
metsguy234
The consensus (I think?) was that it was played at the stadium, it just caught an SNY mic.
traveling photoshooper.
i hate shane victorino more than anyone else.
@sparbz
why would Florida have played that after a win?
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Double-Bobby-Jones/137806699125
metsguy234
To mock the Mets losing on Opening Day.
traveling photoshooper.
i hate shane victorino more than anyone else.
@sparbz
Really? They really did that?
Yup. That confirms it.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 1, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Possibly a failed April fools day joke?
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 1, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Do the game threads
always bring out the trolling assholes? Good God they’re awful..
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 1, 2011 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
I wasn't in thread tonight, but there were Marlins trolls??
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
No
he later claimed he is a Mets. Apparently the self hating type.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 1, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
*Mets fan
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 1, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't believe that moron
He was anything but a Mets fan.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 1, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He just didnt stop
where is site bot when you really need him?
by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 2, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably out tonight with his girlfriend
SiteBertha.
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Next time, can we forcibly send them to the other team's thread?
Fish Stripes could use the traffic, anyway. Only 200 comments for the whole game.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 1, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
How do we know if that idiot skaterblablabla
got banned though? Why didn’t someone intervene earlier?
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 1, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Only mods can ban someone
and they all apparently were trying to lead actual lives during the game. All we can do is flag them and wait.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 1, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I want Eric to grant me the power to ban for 24 hours.
At least to keep the gamethread troll-free and they can review the ban the next morning. By the numbers of Flags that guy received, it’s an easy decision.
In lobby for: Jaime Cevallos, Zack Lutz, orange unis and Rickroll as the 7th inning song.
The Unwritten Rules of AA
It'd be nice if there was an auto-ban.
Like if a post gets more than 5 flags, the poster automatically receives a 24 hour ban.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
I assume that'd have to be done by SB, not AA
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No, they usually don't.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 1, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh...just an observation but
It didn’t seem like there was any more self-loathing than usual. Of course I’m thinking back to many of last year’s game threads, where Jerrybot’s mind-boggling moves caused said self-loathing to occur quite often.
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Apr 1, 2011 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
I missed today's gamethread
was covering HS softball
Enjoying what may be the final season of two of my favorite Mets in Blue and Orange: Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran
It was a doozy.
I’d tell you to read through but it goes like 3500 comments deep. AA at its finest, for the most part, except for a troll who kept posting giant pictures of Jerry Manuel.
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Apr 1, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Hehe
he must’ve been flagged by like 30 different people in that thread (a flagvalanche, as I believe Fxcarden coined it).
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Apr 1, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I was in the thick of it
But I felt like I was getting trounced by BVI who I kept trying to tell “not to feed into the trolling idiot” and he kept feeding into him. It was driving me nuts!!
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I stopped after 2 or 3 tries.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry I lost track of you amidst all the chaos
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
No problem.
I lost track of me, too.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Piss on me
2nd place.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
How do you think I feel
I went in hoping to embiggen, get 160 posts, which is quite a lot mind you, and finish 6th! I need to focus more on commenting that actually conversing with some of you. Quick in and out posts. And get there early. I was down a lot before my first post.
I was afraid my single-thread posting champtionship was in jeopardy
when I saw how many posts there were tonight.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I might have broken it if I'd shown up when the thread went live.
Instead, I jumped in around 7, a good 340 posts into it.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Coulda, woulda, shoulda, buddy!
Just playin’
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Many have tried. All have failed.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
You seem pretty confident for someone whose record
has technically only stood for 1 game.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh, that does put it in context.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it's less impressive that way
I’ve got 2 of the highest post totals for a 9-inning game. Possibly 2nd and 3rd. I’m just warming up.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised your record is from October
and not the 20 inning megafuck well managed game.
Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
That one I missed. Or maybe I joined like directly after that game.
Either way, that 20 inning game had the most overall posts. Hilariously, one of the first comments said “we have to get to these guys early.”
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 2, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
The funniest part about it is that he wasn't even there for a couple of innings.
He left late in the game to go for pizza, and still crushed us all.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh, yeah, I missed 2-3 innings going to get, and subsequently eating said pizza.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
And if I remember correctly you refused to share said pizza?
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 2, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I had pizza. My mom had pizza. There was nobody else around, she was satisfied with hers.
Who else was there to share with?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Us.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Fine.
Next time I have pizza during the game, I will schmear it in my CD-ROM so that everyone can have a little.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a pizza, and my pizza, I liek my pizza. /said Omar
In lobby for: Jaime Cevallos, Zack Lutz, orange unis and Rickroll as the 7th inning song.
The Unwritten Rules of AA
Kevin Burkhardt wants pizza now, not three hours from now.
That’s his stance.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You would embiggen more by posting mindless drivel and profanities
Conversations are for losers
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 2, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
"The losing I can live with, but I can't really embrace the negativity or the this-is-what-it's-like-to-be-a-Mets-fan sad-sackery."
This, Eric. This.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 1, 2011 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Yep, this.
It’s one game in a year where the Mets are poised to actually exceed popular expectations. It will be mostly fun, but it will periodically suck (particularly when facing the division’s best pitchers).
Cant say I expected too much better against Johnson.
Thought we could win on a low scoring game. Eh, It is what it is.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
At least
I didn’t myself hating Cody Ross at any point during the game. That much was a nice change of pace.
i can deal with the losing
but i’m not sure if i can deal with wright setting a new career high in strikeouts. would’ve liked a better first impression for this year
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
yeah, this.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 1, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Think about the other happy things
like Beltran driving in the first mets run of 2011. The fact that some of us actually thought we might get no hit but that didn’t happen
Enjoying what may be the final season of two of my favorite Mets in Blue and Orange: Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran
The sun shines on every dogs ass once in a while
and the Fish have Josh Johnson to show for it. Aces happen and its nothing embarassing to get K’d by a pitcher of his skill level.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 1, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Taken right out of White Men Can't Jump
I love it. +1
traveling photoshooper.
i hate shane victorino more than anyone else.
@sparbz
Thanks.
I’m not too into game threads. Too much hustle and bustle and not enough opportunity for well thought out discussion (more a reflection on myself than anyone else). I did ST threads because of they attract less traffic. I might do some during the season but we’ll see.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Today was my first regular season game thread
I totally agree with the traffic thing and because I was active in a couple ST threads I totally didn’t expect the madness that ensued today. Throw in the trolls and I was goin ape shit. I think I’m gonna have to abstain from anymore game threads as my posting style is right up Ogre’s alley.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 1, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
They're not normally like that
It was Opening Day, so there’s lots of people popping in. Plus the troll was responsible for a good number of posts.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 1, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
They're usually not THAT active.
Today’s was pretty wild…obviously people were hungry for baseball, as there were nearly 700 comments before the first pitch was even thrown. Within a week or so, the numbers will die down a bit (and there usually aren’t any trolls around).
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Apr 1, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Game threads bring out the best and worst of AA
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Are the other 4 all on the Phillies?
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 2, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's his lifetime stats against them:
Hday1: .133/.133 /.333, 8 Ks (15 ABs)
Lee: N/A
Johnson: .207/.233/.379, 8 Ks, 1 HR (29 AB)
Lincecum: .133/.188/.133, 9 Ks (15 AB)
Latos: .000/.200/.000 , 2 Ks (4 AB)
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
But but but
He is sick and tired of losing…..
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
those K's helped out KIDS!
but he looked very Hack happy at the dish. so lets start off the season with a
TRAID WRONGZ!!!!!!!
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Does he have a fat face?
Or is he the scummiest scum to ever have scummed?
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel a little better knowing that John Buck is on my fantasy team.
That makes up for the loss a little bit. And, Jeremy Guthrie dominating Tampa Bay makes up for Fausto Carmona dying a little bit.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 1, 2011 11:54 PM EDT reply actions
A lot of weird performances today
Arencibia going nuts. Jimenez struggling. Lester struggling.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Pavano got rocked too
And Felix didn’t start out so hot either getting pinged for a 2 run shot in the opening inning. He’s settled in nicely since though not allowing a hit since.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I dropped Buck the other day in favor of keeping JP Arrencibia who went OFF today too. Then I found out what Guthrie was doing through the 6th and I snagged him off waivers for Joaquin Benoit. Unfortunately I suffered through rostering BOTH Carmona and Pelfrey with them pegged as my starters today. Needless to say my ERA is hovering around 16.00
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 1, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I picked up Buck in my draft
I was like, “Hey, he hit like 20 HR in Toronto, maybe he’ll do about the same in the NL, now.” A day later, some schmuck dropped Mike Napoli for Ivan Rodriguez, so I was all over him, too. I have three catchers, Victor Martinez, Buck, and Napoli, and honestly, I don’t want to trade any. Buck would be the first to go, but still, his projections are pretty damn good.
Fausto Carmona totally destroyed me in ERA. Excluding him, I had Kewshaw and Weaver yesterday (0.00 combined), and CJ Wilson (3.18), Trevor Cahill (1.93), Jeremy Guthrie (0.00). For the week so far, it should be like between 1.00 and 2.00. Instead, it’s 3.34. Thanks, Carmona.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep eyes on Brandon Belt, just smacked his first HR and he seems to be a real powermonger.
Will he have a roster spot when Cody Ross comes back?
traveling photoshooper.
i hate shane victorino more than anyone else.
@sparbz
He got drafted by someone in our league
BAL-SP Zach Britton is getting the start on Sunday in place of a newly DL’d Brian Matusz who’s got some back discomfort due to intercostal strain. He’ll be out of action for 3-4 weeks but Britton was sitting atop my watchlist and I snagged him with the quickness today too. Busy day on the wire for me today.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Another kid who shows some serious promise. Good pick up Wright.
traveling photoshooper.
i hate shane victorino more than anyone else.
@sparbz
TY
With Buck in Baltimore, there’s a whole new gleam to everyone on that roster. Especially their rotation and Guthrie was mowing them down today boy!!
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you by any chance see my reply to you in the preview thread?
It basically explained my hesitance on moving my aces for OF help.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Nah
whats up? Since everythings calmed down and I can think straight, lets hash out the details.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Basically, I have a boom or bust OF so I'm not going to move Johnson or Weaver for anybody straight up.
I’d be willing to do Hughes & Drabek* for Bautista but not much more at the moment.
* or your choice of 2 from Richard/Leake/Nova/Cecil/Parnell.
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Dude
Fez wasn’t kidding when he said you bring the “shock n’ awe” angle on low balling offers. ROFL!
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not going to dismantle the team I drafted on the 2nd day of the season.
And my trade offers usually seem underwhelming at the beginning of the season but usually work out to at lest even by the end of the year – I actually keep a record of trades I offer and look back at them sporadically.
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I keep track as well
And ask Fez for one if any of my offers could even remotely be considered unsavory in both the recipients or initiators perspective. Offering your 13th and 26th round picked players for my 27th overall Jose Bautista in a seriously depth scarce 3B position is “bat shit CRAZY” if you’re not being overtly sarcastic. I understand setting someone up for the “delivering on lowered expectations thing” but Jesus H Christ man.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Draft number does not equate value.
Some might argue you drafted Bautista too soon and Hughes fell below where he should have gone. I personally wouldn’t have taken Butista until the 4th round – but I guess that’s why you have him and Ellsbury and I have Posey and Johnson.
And who’s Fez?
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Bautista is worth a lot more than Hughes/Drabek
Third baseman with power are very scarce in fantasy, and Hughes isn’t a great fantasy pitcher at all.
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This is Ogre's entire team at the moment:
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Um, is this really necessary?
Besides the fact we are hijacking this thread, I’ll tell people my roster if I want to.
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This is my team
Who do you figure has the most deficiencies? (I’m punting saves) and its a 16×16 h2h league..
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Your draft position argument is even more moot
with your lineup needs. My pitching is fine with the strength of my lineup in more ways than your entire team is with its deficiencies man! Tell me right now that (homerisms on Dubs n’ Reyes aside) that you’d rather have your team than mine right now and I’ll stop this debate. I swear I promise.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I drafted them for a reason.
So yes I would rather have my roster than yours.
My pitching is stronger (your top-2 are Lariano and Hamels, mine are Johnson and Weaver, you don’t have a single closer, and I’ll take my depth over yours any day(your 5th best pitcher is Pelfrey or Jurrjians, mine is Wilson or Chacin)) and so what if you have so much batting depth? You can’t use them all (there are only 10 starting positions.) My starting 10 is not very much behind yours.
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Your pitching is all you have
and your outta your mind if you think you’re gonna survive even a pair of lengthy injuries to your lineup. Both of us have 3 legit 200 K type SP’s while I admit yours are far more efficient on paper but our staff fillers aren’t exactly night and day like you believe. Anyway its clear where you’re coming from and I understand you have no desire to address your needs.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no desire to address the needs you think I have.
I’d love to add another big OF bat – but not if it mean crippling my rotation.
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You drafted 2 teams worth of pitching
I seriously doubt you’ll notice that much of a drop off in the long run if you make a couple smart moves in the pool or supplementary trades. Your lineup will be your demise I guarantee it.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I drafted two teams worth of pitching going by your philosophy of roster construction.
My roster is more efficient than yours. Your wasting 2 roster spots on you bench. I’m using them on at least a 1 start per week per roster spot.
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With the innings minimum at 45/week
anyone will be able to achieve comparable efficiencies with proper management and you’ll be collecting dead weight stats that’ll lose you points in weekly matchups. All while your lineup continues to burden your teams overall performance. Pitching depth is usefull indeed but there is such a thing as too much of a good thing.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he'll flop, but I'm not going to pay for last years production from Bautista.
35 HR’s are amazing from a 3B, but I’m going go be using him as an OF were it’s much easier to find production. Maybe not 35 HR form 1 guy, but I can find 2 who can hit 15 each and steal 10-15 between them.
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Your still not fessing up to the insanity
that you seem to actually think that Bautista is remotely even considered fairly compensated by Phil Hughes and Kyle Drabek.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough, it might have been a lowball
but it’s not any more insane than asking for Johnson and Weaver for Reyes when I have Andrus.
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I never asked for that
and even if I did, it was an implication of him being involved in a package. You’re so incorrigible sometimes.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
it gona be funny
when your condescending, obnoxious ass comes in last place in your league and ogre wins it. First of all, why are you worried about somebody’s team that isn’t your own, 1 game into the season, so much? Second of all, why would you post his whole lineup here? Third of all, are you really so obnoxious to consider yourself some kind of baseball guru in a website full of really smart people? If his team is so bad then just shut the fuck up and be happy that you have less competition. It seems absurdly arrogant that on day 2 of the season you are giving this guy a condescending review of what is wrong with his team. You’re going to lose your league. Dickhead.
While I appreciate the defense
and agree with some of your points (especially wrt posting rosters on here), he’s not a dickhead.
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Looking back
The pasting of the rosters was a bit over the top I guess but was never intended to be conveyed as condescending in response. We have an understanding between one another that we’re both strongly opinonated and we stand by our assertions. It just happend to be a difference over a stupid game of all things. How you find cursing your way into peoples debates as acceptable is beyond me. It is just an entertainment forum which we share in and are equally passionate about. While I do regret that nrmax felt compelled to lash out like this I’m glad Ogre, that you understand the need to curb this kind of unwarranted and unsavory behavior.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
its not a huge issue.
I was kind of joking when I called him a dick head, its a name I use too much, but it was kind of a tongue in cheek thing, telling him he would lose because he was a dickhead. I don’t know WOP, I’m sure he’s a nice dude, I was just rubbed the wrong way by how he posted Ogres roster and started dissecting it here publicly, seemed like you were trying to embarrass him, no hard feelings I hope.
You don't have to even look beyond 1 game
to see that your batting lineup is screaming for upgrades and has no existing depth to speak of either. Sure if/when Utley returns it may work out for 1 bat but David Dejesus, Russel Martin, Will Venable, Mike Morse all candidates to fill out your DH spot? You overcompensated picks into your rotation and we’re ideal trading partners for that reason alone. If you don’t to trade thats one thing and its fine. But to try to pawn off Hughes and Drabek for Bautista as anything short of insulting is,well.. insulting!
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I never carry a huge batting bench because I can only play 10 of them at a time.
Having more than 12 batters is a waste of roster space. I can use those extra spots on pitching – since they don’t all pitch on the same day I maximize the amount of games played per day.
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by Ogre39666 on Apr 2, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Johnson's performance today
makes me want to go after Liriano that much more.
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Hey everyone
Is AA doing that pics from your seat thing?
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Sweet
Know the email address I need to send pics too?
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Email address???
I’ll send them in. When do I need to send them in by?
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Here:
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12 pitchers
We are already suffering from 12 pitchers with Hu pinch hitting in the seventh or so. Should have been the other “who” Evans, perhaps. 12 pitchers has always struck me as Tony Larussa-style nonsense. Let the starters throw 230 innings for Pete’s sake, and let relievers pitch 90-120 innings. These one inning outings are goofy.
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Pelfrey was taken out because he was struggling, not because he reach a predetermined pitch-count.
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Sure, taking out Pelf was okay
But our darn hitters bench is too short. No one needs seven relievers. They need five good ones. An extra pinch hitter or two or a pinch runner can win more games than a seventh reliever. 14 hitters 11 pitchers or 15 hitters 10 pitchers if you want to be edgy. 13 hitters and 12 pitchers is plain stupid in my view.
What are you talking about!?
The 25 man roster has to be built with 162 games in mind, not a crap load of mini playoff series with expanded roster flexibility.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm, we have lots of days off
Especially in April and no doubleheaders. We do not need seven relievers. Nope, we don’t. Really. We could use another bat. Oh yes we could. Evans, for example, instead of Hu. You need a decent bench for close games and extra inning games.
When Chris Capuano and Chris Young make up 2/5 of your rotation,
you need the extra arms.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
They don't pitch for several more days
And six is plenty anyway. Sure, having six might crimp a managerial choice here or there. But having only five hitters on the bench crimped a managerial choice badly right here today. Just a couple of hours ago. First game.
No, having the starter only go 4 1/3 innings crimped the manager
5 bench hitters is fine.
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Having the starter go 4.1 innings was okay
He still had four relievers who sat on their ass.
Right
Now, let’s say that, for whatever reason, Capuano and Young have trouble getting to the 5th inning themselves, because of suckitude and/or preventative handling and/or weak stamina. Couple that with the random bad starts Pelfrey, Niese, and Dickey might have over the course of a few weeks, and that’s one tired bullpen.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I still think six relievers is enough.
IF Capuano, Young, etc. can’t average 5-6 innings a start then they aren’t much use anyway.
If they're giving us 5 or less shutout innings every time (in theory)
that’s plenty of value. That’d be nice- unlikely, but nice.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
If they can do that
then they would mighty fine 120 IP relievers and should do that job instead.
Wow
Just wow..
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
But there isn't the ability to demote and promote these relievers willy-nilly.
Same as there isn’t the option to demote and promote Evans willy-nilly in case of a pitching injury. The choice is to either have them in the majors now or lose them to another organization. Which reliever, would you say, isn’t necessary? And how do we get them off of the big league roster while keeping them in the organization for some sort of depth?
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Carrasco, Boyer,
who cares, really. You don’t need seven of them, is my point. Generally, people should get out of the habit of having seven of them.
Now, in the AL, if you have 15-10 games and you don’t need pinch hitters, maybe there would be an odd situation where 12 pitchers would be optimal at least occasionally. But I don’t think so in the NL, where you have to use your bench.
The point is
People need to get in the habit of having only six relievers. They need to be planning from February on having 11 pitchers, not 12. That’s the real point. Today’s game to me shows why a five man bench is too short, but it’s just one example.
In the AL you have 12 pitchers
because you have the DH
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What do you think that Evans could've done better
than the other 8 regulars couldn’t accomplish today?
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
It's really not about Evans as Evans either
Stay with me here. I think it would be optimal to have 15 hitters, perhaps 14, but not 13. I think today was a decent example, why, but not a great one, because the game was not close. I am making a general argument that is helped by the fact that a terrible hitter named Hu was forced to be used as a pinch hitter in the seventh inning (I believe). That’s a problem. It’s a specific example of a more general problem when you feed a managerial pitcher addiction.
Or he could have used Murphy 9who is just as good an option as Evans is).
I fail to see your point.
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Murphy is left handed
So Collins used Hu instead. That may have been a mistake, yes, but the point is that he should have also had a better righty available than Hu if he wanted to be sure to use a righty.
People have no problem seeing why teams want to have at least two righty relievers and two lefty relievers, and a set up man and a God forbid he pitches more than one inning closer. Well, the flip side of wanting to have two righty relievers and two lefty hitters is wanting to have several capable hitters on your bench who can hit from both sides of the plate.
Done better against Dunn?
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I don't know...
I don’t think the bench is too short. Hairston, Harris (Duda tonight), Murphy, Hu and Nickeas is not a bad bench offensively. I’m not sure I understand the complaint…I mean, are you complaining about Hu pinch hitting? Not for nothing, but he did make good contact and I’d imagine that Collins was saving Murphy in the event of a bigger spot later on. Sure, it’d be nice to have Evans off the bench, but with a somewhat suspect rotation, it’s probably best (at least for now) to have a larger bullpen. Perhaps later on, they’ll pare it down but even so, this is typically how it’s done nowadays. It’d be nice if starting pitchers went deeper but they just don’t anymore.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
This is indeed how it is typically done nowadays,
but it is not based on science, and is not optimal.
Agreed.
It’s going to take somebody with some brass balls to buck convention, just as Tony LaRussa did when he started using the current format. Eventually somebody will try, it will work a couple of times and then other teams will start to adapt. But baseball is very much about following what the popular, conventional wisdom is and teams typically don’t stray from that until they see another organization do something with some success.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Well he got pulled at the 97 pitch mark
But I think Terry pulled him with every intent of pulling his ass outta the fire.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup, I'm not talking about the pulling of Pelfrey
I’m talking about being stuck pinch hitting with goshdarn Hu in the seventh inning.
Beato pitched 2.
But I agree that should have been Murphy pinch hitting there, not Hu.
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Right,
But the reason it was Hu was because he was the only righty remaining on our too short bench. Am I the only one who thinks that 12 pitchers is wacky. Does anyone else remember the 70s and 80s, or do you all think that there is a skill called “setting up” and a skill called “closer.”
Pitchers don't pitch deep into games, ignoring pitch counts, like they used to in the '70s and '80s.
It is what it is, but it’s not like you can really reverse something that’s been ingrained into some of these guys’ heads (A SP throws 6-7 innings in a normal outing, 8-9 in a real good one, 9+ is unheard of) literally overnight, or over the course of a few weeks. I know Nolan Ryan said he wants to do stuff like that in Texas, but what real results have we seen thus far with that? None that I can tell, really.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not talking about anything too radical
One less pitcher, one more hitter would satisfy me.
Guys throwing fewer innings over the course of the year makes
the bullpen more important (more innings they pick up). Most bullpen guys are groomed to specialize either against lefties, or for an inning or two, max. When your SPs are giving you fewer innings, your RPs work more. The more work they get, the quicker they’ll tire. The quicker they tire, the most worse off things become, overall. An extra arm delays the tiring that much longer is all.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
The Ryan experiment (which I supported from day 1) is only a year old.
Let’s hold off from looking for results just yet.
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One less pitcher
is not the full Ryan experiment. It’s a minor change in terms of IP for any pitcher, but I’m pretty sure would be a (small) positive change for a team, maybe 1-2 games in the NL, less in the AL.
Having a reliever pitch 150 innings is a pretty radical change.
It would pretty much require he pitch in basically every game or go 2 every other day.
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I didn't say 150
Someone else did. I said 120 as a max.
Even so.
Feliciano is widely regarded as a workhorse reliever (hence the Perpetual Pedro moniker). He pitched ~80 innings a year for the last 3 years. He’d have to pitch 150% of his normal workload to reach you goal. That’s a pretty drastic increase.
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He was called that
because he pitched too many games, not innings.
There's not enough Darren Olivers
to go around for that to happen I think.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Any fifth starter
Could also pitch 120 innings in relief. The mound is the same height regardless. People need to look back at what guys like Allie Reynolds did, and Jim Kern, and Gossage, and Apodaca, and I won’t even bring up Mike Marshall. Rich Aguilera with the Mets. Dennis Martinez with the O’s (the O’s grooved many young pitchers in as long relief). You see, long relief and starting is not really a separate skill either. The skill is simply pitching. Short relief can be a separate skill for guys with heat and no stamina.
Your going to see arm injuries go through the roof if you have 5th starters routinely pitch 120 innings out of the bullpen.
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Please,
I’m not talking about one man doing both jobs. Sheesh. He said there aren’t relievers around who can pitch a lot of innings. I am saying that sure there are, take someone who you would today classify as a starter of so-so ability and so-so stamina, have him pitch in relief, and voila, you have a so-so 120 IP reliever.
These so-so starters think of themselves as starters and won't voluntarily go to the pen.
There’s always someone willing to give them a #5 spot – or higher. Just look at Jason Marquis and Livan Hernandez.
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Yes, true,
Some cultural change will be required here too. Bartolo Colon is dealing with it, I note. And then there’s Darren Oliver himself, who I think several times started for Texas on opening day. But I take your point, but it’s not insuperable as an obstacle, I don’t think. That is, if the game is about maximizing wins.
I just think it's hard enough to find 5 good starters.
Constructing a 5 man rotation plus 2 or more pitchers who can throw 120 innings of at least league average production is a tall task.
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It would be, yes
But if you’re SPs average 200 IP (two 220s, one 200, two 180s, not too much to ask) then that is one thousand. You only have about 450 IPs left to fill after that. Divide among six relievers and they have to average 90 apiece, but of course some will get hurt, some will go down. It is not actually necessary that any one person reach 120. That was sort of a max to me.
In theory, if you have a strong rotation, it's probably worth having the extra bat on the bench
Like if I was the Phillies, or just a rotation that expected to go relatively deep into game (6-7 innings per start), I’d prefer to have the extra bat. Also, if you have a guy like Takahashi who can pitch two innings in relief, the extra bat is a huge help. However, the Mets right now aren’t built to have an 11 man pen. I wish they could though.
i definitely think the 150 inning reliever would be a boon to bullpens
i just don’t ever see the mets bucking MLB conventional wisdom and going for it
I personally think the "bullpen roles" argument is stupid
but unfortunately, that’s the way it is done now. Doesn’t seem as if Alderson/Collins is willing to challenge the norm right now (if at all). I personally feel that all of the maneuvering for lefties and righties and such is actually a detriment, where it puts more pressure on players who are coming in to get a single out or coming on as a pinch hitter to face a certain handed pitcher because they excel against said type of pitcher. I really think it is counterintuitive to what a manager is trying to get, to be honest and that having the term “the closer” or “the lefty specialist” is creating more pressure than there would be if it were just “a pitcher pitching in the 8th and 9th inning.”
But maybe that’s just me.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff
And a Davey Johnson/Earl Weaver type will come around and have the courage to fix it one of these days, and be very successful. Just as people learned to stop batting low OBP speedy guys first, I believe people will learn this lesson. As recently as the early 90s, Felipe Alou had an excellent all righty bullpen (Rojas, Wetteland, Burke, I believe, a couple of others.)
One thing that would help is a rule change that would require every pitcher to face at least three batters, not one, but now I’m really dreaming.
Exactly.
These things seem to evolve…they just take a long time and they take a person who’s willing to stray from convention despite what the media and the baseball talking heads have to say about it. Eventually some team will try to change…I’m interested to see if Nolan Ryan implements anything in Texas. Ron Washington seems to be an old school/by the book manager, so there may not be anything major there while he’s still around. I’m disappointed that they didn’t move Neftali Feliz to the rotation. That would’ve been a nice little win against all those people who said “he must be a closer because he’s already succeeded there,” even though a mediocre starter is more valuable than a top flight closer (and he’d likely be a #1 or 2 starter with his stuff).
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay, good, a kindred soul
I guess I’m disappointed that Alderson apparently hasn’t thought about this (or maybe he has and disagrees, that would be okay) or at least hasn’t tried to do anything about it. I want that 1984 excitement back when Davey got here and we were the smartest team around (and soon the most successful).
I don't think you'd find anyone here against the reformatting the the bullpen (no closers/8th inning guy)
but the notion that the bench is too small is something that I don’t agree with . Roster moves aren’t unlimited (meaning we can’t be calling guys up and sending them down every week).
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People were used to having only 10-11 pitchers
for all of baseball history until Larussa talked them into 12. Certainly few teams had 12 well into the mid-90s as I recall. That was changed for no good reason, and perhaps should change back. People should plan to have 11 pitchers, and then they would win more games with their extra pinch hitter than with their last scrub reliever.
The current bullpen roles were created by the A's in the late 80s
The manager was Tony LaRussa.
The GM was Sandy Alderson.
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boy its only one game and this team really sucks boy pelf is so up and down i think they miss omars fire and bold moves maybe this team is just not motivated enough cause castillo is gone. its gonna be a long summer..
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pelf is so up and down i think they miss omars fire and bold moves maybe this team is just not motivated enough cause castillo is gone.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Another classic.
So now the team isn’t motivated because Luis Castillo is gone? What? Omar’s fire and bold moves? What bold moves has Omar made? Calling up trash like Abraham Nunez doesn’t count as a “bold move” in my book.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Latinos are firey
Therefore Omar, Castillo and Ollie all motivated the rest of the team with their fire.
????
But I though they were lazy, selfish, soft and didn’t care.
Oh wait…that only applies to Beltran.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
#blamebeltran
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
No, they were, when they were on the team
Now that they’re gone we miss that fire they brought. Remember, everything the Mets do are wrong.
This would have been better if you had stopped here
its only one game
"Everything's gonna be awesome." -Ken Oberkfell
"ARSHAVIN IS MAGIC" -Brooks Peck
by Thomas Wachtel on Apr 2, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
"not motivated because Castillo is gone."
Okay.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 2, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing too positive to take away from the box score
But it’s probably too early for the FML comments. Hopefully the Mets offense will be a little more potent against less awesome pitching.
you know jerry would have used frankie in the 9th
that’s my positive!
one of many.
Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov admits clerical error, releases a guy's family from underground dungeon fortress that is shaped like a giant snake with an ox's head and perpetually burrows through the Earth's mantle so as to avoid prosecution from the world's governments and evade the single-celled, yet 4,000-foot-long Colossus worms that lie in wait until the day someone recites the Forgotten Verses, at which point they will devour us all.
http://www.sbnation.com/2011/3/29/2066542/the-animated-gifs-of-winter-numbers-15-through-11
Mets fan?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Oh wait, just checked your profile, you're a Yankees fan
Fuck off duchnozzle
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
by Syler on Apr 2, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I got warned for the same thing
Selective Enforcement
Omar Minaya exists. Walter Reed, We will never forget.
Maybe
It was my RA Dickey quote denouncing his teammates for skipping the visit. Who knows?
Omar Minaya exists. Walter Reed, We will never forget.
Good thing R.A. Dickey never particularly denounced his teammates for skipping the voluntary visit.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Prove it.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 5, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You got called out for a sig that was ridiculous in content
not in length.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
by Ogre39666 on Apr 2, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
No length was part of it
3 Lines are apparently a no-no
Omar Minaya exists. Walter Reed, We will never forget.
FYI
Not to start a rivalry or anything, but McCovey Chronicles had 3502 posts in their game threads tonight. While they may have edged us out in total posts, we stuck with the same thread all game long.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 1:54 AM EDT reply actions
They also have traffic influx associated with winning a WS.
We’re coming off a sub 80-win season. Advantage, AA (as if I had something to do with it).
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Plus, they're the Giants
The red-headed stepchild of past/present New York baseball teams.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh.
You’d have to split up somewhere in between games and not randomly. 5th? 4th? Just for the people who’s computers get laggy. I’m on a mac book pro and late in the game it even got a bit laggy for me.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 2, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Not in my lifetime, buddy.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I've really missed the final score macros
I can’t wait until we win a game 2-0. That one’s my favorite.
"Everything's gonna be awesome." -Ken Oberkfell
"ARSHAVIN IS MAGIC" -Brooks Peck
Here's the thing Eric.
This team has been abominable the last two seasons, following two massive disappointments.
So you’ll forgive any fan who looks at Mike Pelfrey last night and says, oh yeah, I remember him, the guy who looks like he is beaten when things are not going his way. The guy who can’t miss a bat to save his life though he throws in the low to mids 90s at times.
The team and the season is not over with one game, certainly, but you saw a glimpse of the biggest problem the Mets will face all year. Their number 1 starting pitcher would be most good teams number 3 or 4 at best. As such they are going to lose a lot of games facing top pitchers. Fortunately the division is not dripping with aces, beyond Johnson, Halladay and Lee the starting pitching in the NL East can be handled, presumably by a healthy Met offense.
Certainly looking forward to watching Niese pitch today, win or lose, good or bad, he’ll not be looking like a dear in headlights on the mound, like Pelfrey.
by Patrick Boegel on Apr 2, 2011 7:22 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
The one mets game I made it to last year was a pelfey bomb
I think he threw 50 pitches in the first two innings. A bunch of 11 pitch ABs where guys like Miguel Montero would foul off 6 pitches then hit a frozen rope double. I’d estimate he threw 1 swinging strike out of the 100 or so pitches he threw in 4+ innings that day. Last night was a reminder of how mediocre pelf can be, and on opening day no less.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 2, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point
although I’d say the NL East is sort of dripping with aces. The Phillies have 4 of them in Halladay, Lee, Oswalt and Hamels and I’m ready to stick Tommy Hanson up on that level as well.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What does it matter what a pitcher looks like?
I take the guy sweating buckets if he can give me a quality start.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Jeremy Guthrie is my hero, in that regard.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i want to thank the mets for helping me make a complete ass of myself last night
oh the beers, oh the yelling, oh the sarcastic biting comments to others.
the ny mets and beer made me a complete asshole. THANKS OPENING DAY!!!!!!!!!
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Lol!
Think about how much you have to look forward to.
Oh, and this just in, Kernan still a douchenozzle
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Thanks Kevin Kernan
for such a great article. I guess that just goes to show you that the Mets just didn’t want to win. They could’ve but they just chose to, while the Phillies decided to flip the win switch in their dugout.
I mean really? People actually are still paid to write drivel like this?
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn.
They could’ve but they just chose to lose
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The Phillies forever remain the team to beat.
Just threw up in my mouth a little bit…
Its ok cave
I cleared your intentions as perfectly acceptable preemptive safeguards to the JJ outing.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
It's only one game....patience grasshoppers!
but boy, Big Pelf looked like crap.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
but hes just owned by the fish
its just one of those things. Pelf on hill vs marlins we will lose.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
I have reiterate this is why Pelf is NOT an Ace
he doesn’t have put away ability unfortunately.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
Asides for Webb, what other primariy low strikeout, high groundball sinkerball pitchers are, or have been "aces"?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Derek Lowe
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Lowe. Forgot him.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
People were bending over for him when he was available. Mets fans.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 2, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing is
that Lowe is really a groundball pitcher. He gets well over 60% of his outs on the ground. Last season, Pelfrey got the majority of his outs in the air as his GB% was like 47%. Not to mention that the last few seasons, Lowe has K’d around 6 batters per 9…not world beating but still much better than Pelf’s pathetic 4.99 K/9 last season.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Lowe count?
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He's considered ATL's current ace
so I’m assuming yes. And his time in LA i think should as well.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Only by the manager
Hudson and Hanson beg to differ.
only because of his massive crappy contract
I thought Tim Hudson was considered Atl’s Ace?
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
Im surprised no one talked about the grand slam Buck had.
Sure hope its gonna be one of those seasons again.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
In Pelfrey's defense, John Buck isn't exactly Luis Castillo, in terms of the power department.
That was like HR 1 out of probably 20 or so.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
And it didn't make it out by much, either.
Looked like Beltran thought he had a bead on it
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Afterwards, though, I bet you were all, "That's poor, Big Pelf. That's poor."
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
true and the ump squeezed Pelfrey on some of the pitches earlier
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Apr 2, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't bother me too much but
if people resized their images to height=250 (or didn’t post any images at all), I wouldn’t be unhappy.
Also, the fantasy talk can really fill up the comments section of every article quickly with exclusive chit chat. There are chat rooms on every fantasy site specifically for that.
Okay, I promise I won’t complain again!
by TheBigStapler on Apr 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I second both that huge images and "he's on my fantasy team" take away from the discourse
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The fantasy stuff especially when we're losing.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Some sites have policies against fantasy talk.
It can cause conflict of interests that piss off the other fans (“since we are losing, I hope Pitcher X, strikes out the Mets lineup so I can get a bunch of fantasy points”) and it might turn into a chit chat between 2 or 3 players who want to trade fantasy players, that has nothing to do with the current thread and that the rest of the commenters couldn’t care less about that.
So, here is a suggestion to improve AA policy.
In lobby for: Jaime Cevallos, Zack Lutz, orange unis and Rickroll as the 7th inning song.
The Unwritten Rules of AA
I'd like to see the fantasy talk moved off of game threads
SBN has a fairly new blog for fantasy baseball at:
http://www.rotohardball.com/
"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
The thing Russ
is that the chatter subject matter coming from me isn’t relevant to the sparse population at rotoball. I’m discussing with league members from AA about specific roster components most of the time. I sprinkled in an occassional highlight stat regarding certain players but nothing derogatory regarding our Mets. Thats one piece of etiquette that I am genetically wired not to partake in. Other than calling out “trolls” and their “would be troll” henchmen, I hope I’m not being inappropriate. Although appropriateness I think kinda gets yanked out of you when you’re being provoked by the likes of the Jerry loving troll in last nights game thread. My God that was awful.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I apologize for the fantasy talk above.
And I did not agree with WoP posting rosters.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
I just have to chime in here--baseball IS a fantasy...
I find it with some irony that people like myself play fantasy baseball while WATCHING a fantasy game in progress. weird.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
My apologies all around guys
I make it a point to take the game in on the radio so I can follow my fantasy team in game on my computer. I’m uber guilty of rambling in the fantasy chatter but the constituents of our league are literally all (save for team TBD) from AA in my one league which Ogre and Feslenraster are part of. Ogre you won’t be seeing any more roster pastings and I apologize for that.
Why is there such a vehement protest against separate conversations that go on in game threads though? I don’t understand why conversations can’t just be scrolled past and left for a couple guys to carry on. Forgive my ignorance but yesterday was my first exposure to Live / in-game threads and I’m totally not aware of the apparent etiquette. I’ve already been hardily cursed out in the earlier portion of this thread alone but that was more for my debate content with Ogre. I really try to keep my contributions on this site relevant and am sorry if I’ve run afoul with any of you for it. Ogre, you being the one I’ve rhetorically bumped heads with on what now feels like a regular basis, I can’t say enough how much I appreciate your skirting of the reaming that guy tried to put on me above.
So getting back to the point at hand, what do I do to address the whole talking fantasy in game threads? Should I just completely abstain?
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Just don't post "at least John Buck is on my fantasy team"
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 2, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny that he was until a couple days before opening day
I dropped him in favor of rolling the dice on JP Arrencibia instead.
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't know what specifically went on in the game-thread.
But a good rule of thumb would be if something bad happens to the Mets, no one want to hear how you benefited from it because you had him in fantasy (or how you would have benefited from it if you hadn’t dropped him the day before, etc.). Like wise if Dubs hits a grand slam or Dickey throws a 1-hit shutout, don’t say “Yes! my fantasy team rocks!”.
And no problem WoP. We disagree sometimes but that’s more than okay. If we all agreed all the time, this place would not be as fun as it is to be a part of. You might be stubborn sometimes (and so am I) but you definitely aren’t a dickhead or an obnoxious ass.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
I don't mind at all if someone says about a good performance,
“yay, I have that guy.” It’s an in-the-moment reaction to what’s happening in actual baseball. It would annoy me if it seemed that fantasy interests were superseding Mets interests, but that doesn’t really seem to happen here.
I would appreciate, though, the transaction back-and-forth being curtailed. Like – you have this guy, would you give him to me for that guy? That’s of no interest to anyone but the two of you, you have another place for it, and making everyone else sift through it is just kind of bad manners.
If you want to discuss your fantasy league, you can create a chat fanshot for it.
As explained above, many SB Nation sites prohibit fantasy talk in other threads (including gamethreads) because of potential conflict of interests and it mainly concerns only those involved (alienating the others).
AA itself doesn’t have a policy for it (yet), but that is my suggestion.
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Marlins slogan is "Catch Our Moves."
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
lol what?
what moves? move to 4th? move to new building? move to Miami? Move to caring?
i need answers
I hate Philadelphia so much.
They have a logo for the new stadium
with stadium rendering in the background. They obviously can’t wait.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 2, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Last night must have been the most they've had in a looong time.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 2, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe so.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 2, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
So we're a game back.
No chance for a comeback, amirite?
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
We're still only in second place!
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm gonna try and brighten the mood
at least Beltran got a hit and willie harris broke up a no no. Beato looked good. the mets played a meaning full game.Ewok has a sure glove
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Meaningful?
As in opening day, off to a fresh new start? Then yeah I agree.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
at least MR. Emu looked good with the defense and at bat
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
we need to have a round table and choose a nickname
is it Emu? or Brad Ewok
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Two ms paintz of each please.
Then I’ll decide.
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by NetsMets4Life on Apr 2, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sticking with calling him
“Mouse”
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Very conflicted
Turns a DP like an emu, but has the patience at the plate of an Ewok.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Brad Ewok
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by Thomas Wachtel on Apr 2, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Make that two for Famous Emaus
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Emu definitely
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
As Ogre suggested in the other thread, why not 2 nicknames?
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
Being a round ballplayer is pretty grissiony
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Beato a fly ball or ground ball pitcher
He was getting hit pretty hard early on with the LONG double to Buck and a couple of fly outs
His next inning though he did get two ground balls but I did not get to watch him pitch
So what do we have in Beato? He had a crazy groundball ratio in spring training according to this:
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2011/3/15/2051349/make-the-mets-o-meter-week-3-pitchers
http://wetalkfantasysports.blogspot.com
by WeTalkFantasySports.blogspot.com on Apr 2, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
BB-Cube, BB_Ref, and Fangraphs all don't have his FB/GB%
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
not even BB_Ref with the in game splits from yesterday.. Maybe they stopped paying attention at that point?
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by Wright of passage on Apr 2, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
They have his stats from his one game.
Doesn’t make much of a difference, since I was trying to find his Minor League numbers, to see if the Spring Training numbers were just a SSS, or if his career numbers went that way too.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
the trick
is to screw the rotation up so Pelf does not have to face 1’s. We stand a much better chance with him going against a 3. At the back of the rotation we have a shot.
It's not the opposing pitcher that's the problem;
it’s that the Marlins crush him pretty badly.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
They do
but I still ike mismatches. Matching our best against their best ain;t gonna work.
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