Mets 6, Marlins 4: The Mets Will Not Go 0-162
by Chris McShane on Apr 2, 2011 10:24 PM EDT
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In his first start of the year, Jon Niese threw a very strong 7 innings. On a mere 87 pitches, Niese allowed 2 runs on 3 strikeouts and 1 walk. Things didn't look so great for Niese in the first inning, but he managed to escape what could have been a disaster.
The Mets' hitters made great contact all night, but in a change from years past, the Marlins' outfielders tracked down seemingly every line drive the Mets put into play. Despite the uncharacteristically strong defense by the Marlins, the Mets scored 3 runs through the first 9 innings as David Wright homered, Ike Davis drove in Carlos Beltran, and Josh Thole singled in Chin-lung Hu. One encouraging sign from those events: Beltran's knees looked just fine as he scored from first base.
The Mets were on track to win the game on those 3 runs as Bobby Parnell looked great in the 8th inning. Unfortunately, Francisco Rodriguez allowed the Marlins to tie the game in the bottom of the 9th. Frankie Four Eyes narrowly escaped from the jaws of defeat, and the game went into extras.
Luckily for the Mets, things started to break their way in the 10th. Jose Reyes led off with a single, and Angel Pagan attempted a nonsensical sacrifice bunt but wound up with a bunt single as a result. With those two on base, David Wright drilled a single up the middle to give the Mets the lead again. Two outs later, Willie Harris grounded a double right down the first base line, scoring a pair of insurance runs.
Blaine Boyer got the second save opportunity of the game for the Mets because Frankie's spot in the lineup had come up in the top of the inning, forcing him to exit the game without recording a Game Finished. Boyer made things interesting, allowing a run before a force out at second base ended the game. Terry Collins got his first win as a manager in over a decade, Boyer notched his second career save, and, most importantly, the Mets got their first win of the season.
SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* FishStripes Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: Josh Thole, +29.8% WPA; David Wright, +29.3% WPA; Ike Davis, +28.3% WPA
Big losers: Francisco Rodriguez, -29.8% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Josh Thole single in the ninth, +33.4% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Greg Dobbs single in the ninth, -43.7% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: 2.8% WPA
Total batter WPA: 47.2% WPA
GWRBI!: Willie Harris
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by sparbz; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
| Num | Name | # of Posts |
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| 1 | sparbz | 168 |
| 2 | fightoffyourdemons | 146 |
| 3 | blueandorange4life | 130 |
| 4 | aparkermarshall | 120 |
| 5 | Spike Davis | 116 |
| 6 | NetsMets4Life | 106 |
| 7 | The Glider | 104 |
| 8 | Roger Abiague | 100 |
| 9 | CTRefJay | 99 |
| 10 | letsgomets31 | 97 |
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Great win, especially after Suck-Rod's meltdown
Now with all mighty Dickey on the mound tomorrow, maybe we can pull off a series win
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
I like the fact
that A Hole did not dictate that he was finishing. Jerry would have caved.
I like our chances with RA tomorrow
Dickey will be strong tomorrow.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
Dickey be praised!!
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Jose Reyes and David Wright
Fuck it just being 1 game. Please stay Mets forever. Please.
by nmigliore on Apr 2, 2011 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 15 recs
This
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
x10000000000000
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
HELLO HELLO
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what a difference a day makes
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
This team will do it to ya
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
I'm worried about Beltran at this point
He didn’t seem to be moving well at all tonight.
by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 2, 2011 10:28 PM EDT reply actions
That was pity-some
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Yes, I guess he will never be as pretty out on the field as he was
The man can still hit, though.
He's hitting not too poorly, which is good at least.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but I am OK with Hairston and Duda
we have good backups this season so I am not as worried. I am not sure if Beltran is that much better than the other guys
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by Rickfansince76 on Apr 4, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
How would you know?
Did you have some?
I’m so cheesy.
I bet Jerry Manuel just bunted.
Wow!
You must be loved very much. That is a thing of beauty.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
Happy Birthday, Jay
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Happy birthday, CTRefJay
Looks like you got two nice presents tonight…Mets and UConn both won.
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
Happy Birthday!
Anyone who gives you that cake really cares about you.
"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
That cake is awesome.
Happy birthday!
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by Thomas Wachtel on Apr 3, 2011 1:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
1-161 still possible.
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-Tupac Amaru Shakur
This worked out perfectly actually
K-rod doesn’t come closer to a vest but he is closer to getting removed from the closer’s role
i think we'll all testify
at the hearing
I.M. Forme
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by itsmetsforme on Apr 2, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He would need to blow like 5 saves in a row to be considered the idea to remove him from the closer role.
All relievers have bad outings once in a while.
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No! It's ..
keep it up, Dickey. It’s been copyrighted.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
Yeah me too.
I’m just glad it worked out via dumb luck.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying they were specifically looking for it but
Pagan and Reyes can use the bunt to get hits because of their speed. They have done it before. It would be another story if they told Ike to bunt.
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i think it was pretty clear from the way pagan was approaching the at bat that he was attempting to sacrifice. he just happens to be a really good bunter with speed.
by Shea Strausman on Apr 2, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If they are going to bunt, at least make it so with someone with speed.
That’s what they did.
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Use the subject line please.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
by Ogre39666 on Apr 3, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i was listening to the marlins announcers and even they were dumbfounded as to why the mets didn’t attempt a steal with Reyes on base. Runners had been 10/10 against the pitcher previously, and they just had thrown in their back up catcher.
I don’t get it.
by Shea Strausman on Apr 2, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I was ok with it without the bunt
Their concern about the steal gave us a favorable count – and a great hit-and-run count. I can see TC thinking the straight steal would be too obvious (and devastating if failed) in that situation
That's fine, but...
sometimes the obvious play is obvious for a reason. it’s because its far and away the best option. I would have been fine with a hit and run, pagan and reyes are two great guys to do it with, but the bunt was not even close to as good. Giving up that much for the surprise factor is unbelievably dumb.
by Shea Strausman on Apr 2, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Bunt was bad
Straight steal was probably good but still risky. Hit-and-run was likely best. That’s my stance. It wasn’t the “surprise factor” after the first attempt, it was more risk-averse, by-the-book ML managing that takes the bat out of Pagan’s hand and makes me stomp angrily around my living room and shake impotent fists towards the heavens. Oh well.
Still rockin' and rolling!
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This.
Very, very important.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Request
Can we have a moratorium on awful puns of player names? Thanks.
by keithprime on Apr 2, 2011 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Awww but I love some Misch puns.
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Of course you would, Mischkin!
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It'd be a big mischtake to scrap the puns.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe it's a mischunderstanding on his part to scrap the puns.
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Heh
I don’t mind puns when they’re tongue in cheek and meant to be humorous. Puns like “K-Rud” or “Fred Coupon” are just lame when they’re used over and over and over again and as some kind of a statement. Especially when they’re not really representative.
Sorry, just a pet peeve.
Understood
But puns like BB-Rod are still representative of what happens on the field.
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I think the consensus is
Bad puns are bad. Good puns are good. Everybody drive home safely.
by Gorfax on Apr 2, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm being wishy-washy
But BB-Rod is clever and always makes me laugh. Ditto for LOLie.
And in my defense, I did say “awful” player puns. Perhaps I should have typed “obvious” instead.
I'll get wright on that.
You might not Ike the result, though.
by Shea Strausman on Apr 2, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You may have to make some proPaganda posts
so that we all know about these rules!
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think OP is just being BayBay. Stop crying about puns, or people won’t be able to tell if you’re a Boyer a girl.
by Shea Strausman on Apr 2, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Perhaps if we make more of them,
we can Reyes his tolerance of puns.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
K-Rust Drives Me to Drink
K-Rust Drives Me to Drink
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It's for this occasion only.
Since he was rusty after the long-ass layoff, after all.
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crud.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 3, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
GAME BALL GOES TO:
I say Thole.
traveling photoshooper.
i hate shane victorino more than anyone else.
@sparbz
Dubs or Niese
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
by Hoyadestroya85 on Apr 2, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
everyone but k-rod
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengal
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'd also go thole
its been a while since we had a #8 who could hit a lick
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Probably since 2006, right?
When Jose Valentin was batting 8th.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
was he really batting 8. i dont remember
if so he was pretty good .271/.330/.490 w/ 18 hrs and 24 doubles
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Hmm i take that back.
According to BRef, Endy Chavez led the Mets hitting 8th 39 times. Lastings Milledge hit 8th 30 times and Ramon Castro hit 8th 16 times (why?).
Valentin typically hit 6th or 7th, although there were a number of times where he did hit 8th. Just not as often as I though (maybe he hit 8th in the playoffs?)
Goes to show how good my memory is.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 3, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think in the playoffs
Green hit 7th and Valentin 8th.
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
here goes straight from b-ref
met #8 hitters
2005 .268/.346/.421 13 hrs 74 rbi
2006 .236/.304/.361 12 hrs 61 rbi
2007 .276/.331/.435 21 hrs 84 rbi
2008 .244/.324/.367 16 hrs 71 rbi
2009 .259/.321/.338 3 hrs 52 rbi
2010 .248/.323/.371 12 hrs 64 rbi
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Wow.
Who hit 8th in 2007?
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 3, 2011 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Milledge, Gomez, and Valentin
29, 28, and 21 times respectively. Castro, Easley, and Gotay also saw batted 8 several times, too.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 3, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
pretty varied
Milledge 29 GS
Gomez 28 GS
Valentin 21 GS
Easley 15 GS
Gotay 15 GS
Difelice 11 GS
Green 8 GS
Chavez 8 GS
Castro 7 GS
Ledee 6 GS
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
thole should beat all the triple slash line numbers of all those yrs easily
the power wont be there but he’s definitely a better hitter
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Wow, that is a who's who of 'who's that?'
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 3, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see Nick Evans there.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 3, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well played.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 3, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow...it's pretty unbelievable
that they got such good production from so much shit. You’d think the likes of Gomez, Difelice, Green, Ledee and even Endy would bring the whole line down a bit and not to mention that Valentin was pretty poor that year.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 3, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope
In fact, he only hit 8th 3 times, all coming in the same week (July 19th, 21st and 23rd).
He hit 7th 37 times and 6th 21 times.
In other news, I really love BBRef!
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 3, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure game ball but he had a nice game, clutch hit in 9th
That is what I liked last season, he seems to be at his best when it is on the line. I think he could be the type of hitter we have been missing the last few seasons
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by Rickfansince76 on Apr 4, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Niese shoulda gone another inning.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
OTOH
Their best hitters were up for the 8th – we avoided giving them another look at Niese and gave Parnell the most difficult assignment
We lucked out, really
since Infante and Hanley own Parnell. An odd decision.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 2, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
They are good fastball hitters, facing uhh Capt Fastball
Good thing he brought his slider tonight.
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He had some great up-and-in movement on that fastball too
I still would rather Niese stayed in, I’m just saying I think it’s a fairly defensible decision
Parnell was great last year
and although I would’ve kept Niese in, I can’t say I would’ve been totally comfortable with him facing Infante and especially Hanley
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Parns looked good, K-Rod melted in the first pressure situation
sure he pitched great in ST, but there is no pressure. who really cares if you win or lose.
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by Rickfansince76 on Apr 4, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm good with Niese leaving after 7
After the way that he finished 2010, I think that pacing him over the season might be a good thing.
"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
pfh64
Sorry, I have seen enough over-managing and I know it is the first start of the season, but when a guy is breezing, you leave him alone, If I thought in July they would have left him in, I would not say anything, but the excuse in July will be "we wanted Niese to come out of the game with a positive feeling. You want positive feelings get the SP WINS!
Bonus points for using your username as the subject to your post.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 3, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats new for me.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
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by NetsMets4Life on Apr 3, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
at first i thought it was some AA referance i didnt get
than i just realized its only his name
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Well the name in the subject line
is an AA reference. Click here to read the magic that is classic AA meme “Scotty”.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 3, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i know about that one
that was on a fanpost though. a little strange in a reg subject line though
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Scotty!
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-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
Niese is a big boy.
I’m sure he has plenty of positive feelings from pitching well, no-decision be damned.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 3, 2011 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
at least we can say
we were at .500 at some point.
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengal
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK, I'm going out to drink.
Good times everybody!
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thats it,
there going all the way!!!
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengal
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
K-Rod got the win
Just pitching to the score
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-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
"Angel Pagan attempted a nonsensical sacrifice bunt "
I don’t get this at all. All bunts are not bad. They were going for the win. Nothing wrong with that at all in the tenth inning. If you’re making a case that a steal attempt would have been better, than I see it. Seems weird to me though that it seems that all bunt attempts these days are ridiculed as stupid plays.
Thanks. Just had to say that.
To me
It looked like he was looking for an outside pitch to bunt down the 3b line for a hit.
by RADickeyinabox on Apr 2, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
2 things
1) reyes shoulda stole
2) pagans a good hitter, its one thing w/ castillo……… at least do a hit and run maybe
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Pagan's OB%
With a 2-0 count last year was .524. Just saying.
And when bunting
it was .500.
And that includes 2 bunt singles on 2-0 counts.
All bunts aren't necessarily bad
But I’d say a sacrifice bunt by one of your best hitters on a 2-0 count with a good basestealer on base is one of the bad ones.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Apr 3, 2011 1:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
this
you don’t bunt 2 and 0. The result doesn’t change the fact that it was stupid. Just as if Pagan popped up, it doesn’t change the fact that you let one of your best hitters swing. Let’s say Pagan pops up in the infield there. Reyes can still freaking steal during the next at bat. WASTING OUTS IS DUMB. THEY ARE PRECIOUS.
Angel Pagan bunting
Bunting with:
a> a good bunter
b> with speed
c> in an obvious one run situation (10th inning of a tie game)
is seriously being questioned? Some people have no baseball sense.
Would it change anyone’s mind if I were to point out that Pagan is a career .483 hitter when “sacrifice” bunting?
[14 singles in 29 bunt attempts with < 2 out and a man on]
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Better to be lucky than smart cuz it means:
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 3, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
Yeah some of them problem don’t know Data isn’t just a character on Star Trek.
Moar Buntz
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 3, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Not that book:
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 3, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Big difference
I see a big difference between TC and JM.
I think more people need to read carefully the Tango, Lichtman and Dolphin book, especially the chapter on bunting. The most important factors in deciding when to bunt are always the bunting proficiency of the batter, and the defense you are facing. The run environment also matters quite a bit.
For example, page 254:
Late in a close game, in a low run-scoring environment, it is correct to often sacrifice bunt with a runner on first and no outs.
And page 266:
In an average run environment, almost any batter can bunt as long as he is a good bunter, or a fast runner, preferably both. A poor or slow bunter should rarely be allowed to sacrifice. This trumps our earlier recommendations, which applied to all bunters as a whole, good or bad, fast or slow
And page 269:
The count does not appear to change the efficacy of the bunt, unless the batter has three balls.
Really, that bunt ticked off almost every box as far as what makes a good bunting situation. Tenth inning of a tie game, there’s a very small change in win expectancy if you do move the runner over. You have both a good and fast bunter; you have a low run scoring environment, you have a poor defender at 3B.
Pagan in that situation is going to reach base safely more than 30% of the time. Meanwhile, if you swing away, you risk an unproductive out, which is more than 4 times as costly as an out that moves the runner over. The numbers overwhelming favor the bunt there.
I think BDMF was probably just being funny.
I’m entirely with you, though. I’m allergic to looking up numbers, myself, but if you just watch Pagan play you know that he’s very very good at getting on base with a bunt. That he’s as good as your numbers show is amazing.
I think it's PJSD
Post Jerry Stress Disorder
A lot of people around here seem to go into a panic at the first sign of any bunt, no matter how rational.
Reality is, the number one factor in any “bunt or not bunt” decision is how good a bunter a guy is, what are his chances of reaching base. Pagan isn’t really that unusual, a good bunter who is also fast will reach > 20% of time. Even in a classic bunting spot like this, ideally you want a guy to have at least a 5% chance for it to be a good play.
Guys who probably shouldn’t be questioned when they bunt:
Pagan (14 of 29)
Beltran (15 of 30)
Reyes (20 of 51)
Harris (12 of 48)
Even Beltran is a good enough hitter that he should do it rarely, especially now that his legs aren’t what they were. Other than that, and weak hitting pitchers, and probably Hu (weak hitter with speed), I don’t know that there’s anyone else on this team I would want bunting except very rarely.
Glad we pulled this one off, even if it wasn't the prettiest of wins
Looking forward to Dickey tomorrow
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Apr 2, 2011 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
This.
At least it wasn’t the 20 inning Mets-Cards debacle all over again.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 3, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
With another stupid Pagan sac bunt attempt. Even stupider was keeping it on after a 2-0 count.
I'm just hoping
After Thole’s night tonight, Collins stops pinch hitting for him in clutch situations, even when it’s a lefty-lefty matchup.
Were going to win the World Series!
I Miss Mozgov
We should have had Harris in '07 and '08
With his clutchiness and hustle we would have made the playoffs both years, especially if Harris was at third instead of Wrongz’s unclutch .950-1.000 OPS both Septembers
Forget his clutchiness and hustle
If Harris simply wasn’t in the outfield for one game in 2007 and one game in 2008, we would have forced a playoff game with the Phillies in 2007, and would have edged out the Brewers for the Wild Card in 2008, resulting in at least 1 more playoff appearance, maybe two.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 3, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
And more Omar and Jerry
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by Blame-everyone-else on Apr 3, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Possibly
But, in that fantasy world where Willie Harris didn’t rob us of a win in 2007 and 2008 each, and we made the playoffs at least one more time, maybe Omar didn’t become such a horrible GM, and Jerry’s douchy qualities were minimized.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 3, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
In a fantasy world, I would like to imagine more than 1 playoff appearance!
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by Blame-everyone-else on Apr 3, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it was KeithsMoustache who said it,
but Willie Harris truly has some sort of special karmic connection to the team, be it kicking our ass, or kicking the ass of others while on our team.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 3, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
"...most importantly, the Mets got their first win of the season."
Nah. Most importantly, F-Rod is 0 for 2.
!
Slight quibble
Terry Collins got his first win as a manager,
He has many wins as a manager. This is his first win as manager of the Mets.
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by Blame-everyone-else on Apr 3, 2011 12:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Terry Collins went a decade between
wins as a manager. His last win in the majors was in 1999.
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by Blame-everyone-else on Apr 3, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
A decade between wins as a MLB manager
He got a bunch of wins in Asia between now and then, managing in the NPB.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 3, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I love seeing Parnell sit 97 with his fastball.
4 swinging strikes in 18 pitches (3 on 11 fastballs). That’s awesome.
mets are going all the way!
Also let’s hope that parnell can pitch the way he did tonight for the rest of the season. He has been too inconsistent the last couple of seasons. We should win the series with our ace true ace going today. Pelfrey as the ace is a joke! Let’s go Dickey!
by ajdurk4mets on Apr 3, 2011 3:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wins all around
Nice night from Dubs and Thole, plus we win without an FF, also known as the Frankie Finish.
The Pagan bunt was alarming because it foreshadows Collins strategery, which resembles our former bespectacled manager, and me no likey. 2 and 0 count let him hit please. Odds of him grounding into a dp are so minute there. Even if he forces Reyes out at 2nd on a grounder he can then steal 2nd himself, thus negating need for sb. That’s just science.
correction
negating need for SAC. Which ironically Collins needs more of in that situation.
Ugh--yeah, that was unpleasant.
On the other hand, I’m sure this kind of thing will get nipped in the bud if it starts looking genuinely counterproductive.
Dickey today!
We so excited!
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Pretty sure the GWRBI goes to Wright, not Harris
GWRBI goes to the guy who put his team ahead at a point where they never lose the lead…doesn’t matter how many more runs they score/the other team scores, Wright was the GWRBI. For example, if Reyes hits a leadoff homer, the Mets score 25 runs, but then the other team has a 24 run comeback that falls just short, Reyes still had the GWRBI, not the guy who drove in run number 25.
I say that b/c if Wright had the GWRBI, it would tie him with Piazza for most by a Met all-time. #Unclutch David Wrongz.
2009 Did Not Happen
Not sure if this is true
I think it just goes to the RBI that ends up being the winning run.
pretty sure I'm right
wikipedia
Also, the Mets official twitter feed seems to agree with me
2009 Did Not Happen
good lord Fail Rod Fails again
good job by Willie Harris and Blaine Boyer to pick him up…
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Who's ready for Dickey time today?
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Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
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The umpires better not squeeze Dickey during the game
That kind of behavior is just uncalled for.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 3, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
EXPECT THE WORST, HOPE FOR THE BEST, the 2011 METS :}
This was the kind of game that can get METS fans excited again. Down 2-0 in the first , fighting back to take a 3-2 lead, K-Rod blows it, but, the team picks him up and wins it in the 10th!!! This game was a classic, the METS didnt roll over and die, they kept on fighting and never gave up. My only complaint would be why did Reyes NOT steal, and, the MARLINS broadcast team sucks!!! Lets go out and win the series and move on.
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