Dan Warthen, Brian Cashman Exchange Indirect Barbs Regarding Pedro Feliciano's Arm

by Eric Simon on Apr 2, 2011 4:02 PM EDT

In his last three years with the Mets, Pedro Feliciano appeared in 266 games, leading the league three times and capping it off with 92 appearances in 2010, a Mets record and the fourth-most by any pitcher in the modern era. This offseason, Felciano signed a two-year, $8 million deal with the Yankees, who surely valued his effectiveness against left-handed batters as well as his durability.

Last week we learned that Felicano would start the season on the disabled list with a left rotator cuff strain that couldn't have been surprising to anyone considering how many innings he has logged in recent years.

Well, apparently it surprised Yankees GM Brian Cashman, who today had some comments about the Mets' use of Feliciano:

"He was abused," Cashman said. "It’s a thin market when you’re looking for lefties, and he’s one of the better ones out there. But you don’t typically go after a guy who’s been used like that."

When reached for comment today, Mets pitching coach Dan Warthen retorted:

"They didn't know that when they signed him? ... He volunteered for the baseball every day. He was asked whether he was able to pitch. He said 'yes' every day -- every day -- and wanted to pitch more than we even pitched him."

Regarding Cashman, Warthen said: "I feel badly that someone feels that way. That was part of the reason we decided to not re-sign him -- because we knew we had used him 270-some times in the last three years."

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Cashman is an idiot

A) then maybe you shouldn’t have signed him, B) he never gave any signs of overuse while he was here and C) if I remember correctly, he loved being used that often and wanted the team to use him more.

I bet Jerry Manuel just bunted.

by GilbertP on Apr 2, 2011 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs

It's never Cashman's fault

he is a Yankee guy.

by jdon on Apr 2, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions

abused?

how is it abuse when the guy is asked to do his job? Pitch

I agree that he was overused but it isnt abuse, that would be if they made him go out knowing he was injured. The Mets didn’t do that.

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by Rickfansince76 on Apr 4, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions

Poor Cashman

If only there was some sort of way to find out basic information about a player’s performance before offering them millions of dollars.

by DaveNJ on Apr 2, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions

if they found such a system

perhaps it could be used to regulate the American financial sector

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by itsmetsforme on Apr 2, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Magic 8-ball

by jdon on Apr 2, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Its pretty simple

If there were ‘damaged goods’ concerns, why sign him?

Sounds like Cashman is just being a cry baby because Feliciano is starting the season on the DL. Hes just looking for silly excuses. Please. Somebody call the wambulance.

by nmigliore on Apr 2, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions

Nice shot at Cashman by Warthen lol.

by SFloridaMetsFan on Apr 2, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions

cashman try and working on a budget of 0 dollars

like the mets have been forced to do

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Apr 2, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions

ha! oxymoron statements by Cashman

by nelsonc on Apr 2, 2011 4:14 PM EDT reply actions

Cashman is an Oxymoron

by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 3, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions

Wow, that is quite a statement from Warthen

That’s why we didn’t re-sign him – because we knew (or the people now signing Warthen’s checks knew) we’d over-used him.

by SuperT on Apr 2, 2011 4:14 PM EDT reply actions

I think it was pretty obvious when we let him go, though.

He was such a big part of the pen the past 5 years, it was obvious that the A)money and B)overuse were huge factors in that decision. It is interesting to hear Warthen actually say it though.

Not to mention the draft pick that we got in return for this very deep 2011 draft.

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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions

He is also 34 years old

Even if he was not effected by how the Mets used him, his natural decline from age will eventually kick in. That decline might have kicked in.

"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden

by Russ on Apr 2, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah f cashman

but seriously harsh words from WARthen. Is that attitude something we want out there next time the mets need to dip into the pitching market?

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by itsmetsforme on Apr 2, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions

So from now on baseball teams should consider

“the yankees might want to sign this guy someday, so keep his innings down”

fuck off

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 2, 2011 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs

and seriously just hit up the money tree and take a non-contenders LOOGY at the deadline

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 2, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Cigarettes cause cancer?

I was supposed to read the warning on the pack?

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by Russ on Apr 2, 2011 4:17 PM EDT reply actions

hey cashman

You can always trade for ollie

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by fxcarden on Apr 2, 2011 4:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

He certainly wasn't overused last year.

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by Thomas Wachtel on Apr 2, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Haha so now even when another team makes a dumb decision it's still the Mets fault

How about next time don’t give a 34 year old lefty specialist a 2 year deal?

by joma16 on Apr 2, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions

Not any different than what the Brewers did with C.C.

They abused his arm, since they knew they wouldn’t have him. Why shouldn’t we do the same thing?

Caveat Emptor Mr. Cashman. Caveat Emptor.

by garik16 on Apr 2, 2011 4:49 PM EDT reply actions

Hey Cashman

This wouldn’t be a problem if you got a lefty better than Damoso Marte

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by Aidan Gibson on Apr 2, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions

Cashman has a point

We should only use Frankie in 54 innings to protect his arm.

by popshobby on Apr 2, 2011 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs

Heh, this is pretty funny - allow me to demonstrate

John Doe recently gets a job at a Citibank branch – his new employer, Dom Esobee, hires him for the ability to work and cooperate with others, his charisma, and the ability to do numbers. But he forgot to do a background check, which reveals his involvement with armed robbery and investment fraud. Uh-oh…

by sj10689 on Apr 2, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions

Is John Does real name

Bernie Madoff?

by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 3, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions

Hard to believe that either could make themselves look any dumber

Congratulations Cashman, after years of watching Torre abuse relievers until they fall apart you failed to see this coming.
Dan Warthen meanwhile clearly knew they were ruining his career and did it anyway.

by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 2, 2011 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs

k-rod

let me be the 1st to say this on here in 2011- K-ROD SUCKS!

by MDMETSFAN on Apr 2, 2011 9:47 PM EDT reply actions

I have a very tiny violin I can play for you, Cashman.

Seriously, did they not pay attention to his stats before they signed him? Even a freaking baseball card could have showed you how many games he’d been in. And, as Russ said, the guy’s 34 years old – guys that age are high-risk injury candidates, given their advanced (for their profession) age. I would assume that a man in your position would be aware of these facts, but apparently not. Buyer’s remorse is a bitch, ain’t it?

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 2, 2011 9:48 PM EDT reply actions

anyone have a picture of perpetual pedro dog here we can use for dramatic emphasis?

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Apr 2, 2011 10:30 PM EDT reply actions

Interesting

I went to the Puppy Avenue fanpost to find Perpetual Pedro dog and Google Chrome warned me that there was some sort of malware on the page. Anybody else with Google Chrome want to confirm this for me?

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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions

I got the same warning

It looks like a picture was linked through an university blog or site that was flagged by google.

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by Michkin on Apr 2, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Ugh.

This makes he sad.

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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh and here's perpetual pedro dog, found via google.

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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 2, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

hahaha awful

recd

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Apr 3, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions

Haha, that is a shame, but yup, thats Pedro.

You would think that the Yankees would suspect Pedro was injured by the way he carries his pitching arm in his suitcase.

by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 3, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions

Cashman/Warthen

Seriously! This is not Cashman’s first ever deal. He should have known what he was getting. If he dose not know to kick the tires before buying, well….

by JanPre on Apr 3, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions