Astros 4, Mets 3: Is This Rock Bottom Yet?

The first three weeks of the season haven't exactly gone the Mets' way, while everyone — fans, beat writers, mongos — dump ceaselessly on them. At this point they're so steeped in negativity and pessimism that every bad thing that happens only feeds the dark cloud of misery. Some more bad things happened tonight, and so the cloud continues to grow.
David Wright went 0-for-3 with two more strikeouts, and the cloud grows. Angel Pagan was tagged out trying to score from third on a passed ball in the bottom of the eighth, and the cloud grows more. Josh Thole pops up a bunt and Jose Reyes gets doubled off first in the ninth inning, and the cloud is about to burst. Trade Reyes. Trade Wright.
The Mets have dropped two straight to the Astros, who just won two straight for the first time this season. The Mets have the worst record in baseball, and they certainly haven't played much better than that. And they have a high payroll, and some people were duped into believing they'd be good, and so those people are angry and they want results and they demand that things have to change. Fire Terry. The mongos want Wallyball.
But things weren't really so bad tonight. Some flukishly bad things happened, and you can say that the Mets are somehow prone to suffering in flukishly bad ways because Moneyball is stupid and they don't play the game the right way and because they don't have the heart or the grission to compete with the heart-y, grission-y Phillies. But those things aren't really true even if people think they're true, and the Mets playing poorly certainly won't convince them otherwise (if anything will). R.A. Dickey pitched eight innings tonight, the longest outing of any Mets starter this season. That probably says more about the Mets than anything else, and Dickey still allowed four runs, but he only walked two in those eight innings and he coaxed twice as many ground outs as fly outs, both of which are great signs for him.
Reyes, who did commit a baserunning gaffe in the ninth, also had four hits and two stolen bases and has looked pretty good at the plate overall. Carlos Beltran had three hits of his own, including two doubles, and continues to look healthy in the field and on the bases. Daniel Murphy went 3-for-4 and hit his first home run of the season, a two-run, blue-collar blast to tie the game at three in the sixth. So those are all good things.
But the bad things cloud the good and so everyone is upset. The Mets are 1-8 at home, their worst ever record through the first nine home games of the season. I support everyone's right to react negatively and defeatedly, but whinging and moping don't really make me feel better, so instead I'll look forward to Jason Bay's return Thursday night and hopefully a better game from the Mets to boot.
Unintentionally sexual quote of the game: "With the pitcher backing in like that, if you go in the backside, he's got no chance." - Gary Cohen (via Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright).
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SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* The Crawfish Boxes Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: Daniel Murphy, +49.1% WPA, Jose Reyes, +23.4% WPA
Big losers: Josh Thole, -40.8% WPA, Justin Turner, -32.7% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Murphy two-run home run in sixth, +28.4% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Turner strikeout in eighth, -32.7% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: -22.8% WPA
Total batter WPA: -27.2% WPA
GWRBI!: Hunter Pence
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by JoeBighead; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
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| 1 | JoeBighead | 244 |
| 2 | letsgomets31 | 101 |
| 3 | aparkermarshall | 91 |
| 4 | Spike Davis | 90 |
| 5 | mistermet | 84 |
| 6 | feslenraster | 76 |
| 7 | Five-Tool Tool | 72 |
| 8 | NetsMets4Life | 72 |
| 9 | Russ | 68 |
| 10 | Syler | 66 |
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Wow.
Just wow.
traveling photoshooper.
i hate shane victorino more than anyone else.
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We had 4x as many hits as them
and we lost. To the Astros.
Making bad decisions is one thing, but this team seems to make those decisions at the bad time, too.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
Bad decisions is not even close.
Every decision they make is wrong.
They are not even good enough to win with no mistakes.
Sandy Alderson!
It takes other teams FUBARing things even worse than the Mets
for them to win. See Braves, Atlanta.
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 20, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
And another thing
Having a lack of talent is one thing, but exposing your flaws at the worst moments…like this entire series…
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 20, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What would it take for me to get banned?
This team is going to drive a normally sane person to develop manic-depression.
Sandy Alderson!
So if I insult the writers of this site for no reason...
that would suffice, I assume.
Sandy Alderson!
Probably
but do really want to do that?
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 20, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You blew it.
Because if you do it, we know it’s not sincere and rather for an ulterior motive.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
Huh?
“The Mets have dropped two straight to the Astros, who just won two straight for the first time this season. The Mets have the worst record in baseball, and they certainly haven’t played much better than that. And they have a high payroll, and some people were duped into believing they’d be good, and so those people are angry and they want results and they demand that things have to change. Fire Terry. The mongos want Wallyball.”
So people are mongos, because they’ve come to realize Terry manages no differently than Jerry Manuel?
Right
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
No
They’re mongos because they think this team would be any different with Wally Backman on the bench.
by Eric Simon on Apr 20, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
None of the people who were bitching about Terry tonight aren't Wally mongos
At least not the ones on here, or most of the ones I saw on Twitter.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
"are Wally mongos"
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
I can attest that I saw some of it last night.
Eric responded to more than a few.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 20, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well they're morons then
But rational, well reasoned people have a right to be upset with Terry. He bunts way too often, and is obsessed with righty/lefty matchups, to the point where he sees Hu as a viable option to pinch hit.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Oh yeah.
TC’s given us plenty to cry about so far.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 20, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
...

Proud supporter of a New York baseball team and a Boston football team. Yeah, deal with it!
"We don’t listen to the hype. I don’t think we ever have. We really take after our coach and he says ‘When you win, say little. When you lose, say less.'"--Tom Brady
The 2011 New York Mets: Facepalm...
Staunch Parishioner Of The First United Church of R.A. Dickey
by R_Adragna on Apr 20, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
What an absurd post
No one would ever punch Dickey
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
They're obviously talking about some other God.
Ya know, the one who claims to be all-knowing and all-good yet puts us through years and years of this shit?
Proud supporter of a New York baseball team and a Boston football team. Yeah, deal with it!
"We don’t listen to the hype. I don’t think we ever have. We really take after our coach and he says ‘When you win, say little. When you lose, say less.'"--Tom Brady
The 2011 New York Mets: Facepalm...
Staunch Parishioner Of The First United Church of R.A. Dickey
I probably wasn't looking hard enough then I guess
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Right, but there don't seem to be a lot of them here
So dedicating an entire post to the rantings of some lunatics on Twitter seems unnecessary. If this site was overrun with the Trade Wright/Reyes and/or Hire Wally contingent, I would understand. but the post seems entirely directed at people who aren’t here. (Or at least don’t comment here.)
by Bieser's Balk on Apr 20, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Mets fans are ceaselessly negative for the most part.
Here and otherwise, I’d say. It’s admittedly more measured and GIF-y here, though.
Yeah, absolutely
I just view the clowns on Twitter as the equivalent of lunatics on a street corner wearing a sandwich board and proclaiming the end of the world. Best to not engage them and keep walking.
I thought most of tonight’s negativity was reasonable, heat-of-the-moment, why-in-the-name-of-all-that-is-holy-are-you-bunting negativity. It’s hard for even the rational among us to stay positive when the team is 1-5 at home against Nats/Astros, so I should appreciate you highlighting the positives.
by Bieser's Balk on Apr 20, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair
I’m rapidly coming to dislike Collins even worse than Manuel. He’s made a LOT of screwups and we’re only three weeks deep into the season.
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 20, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I cant dislike Collins more than Manuel at this point in time.
I personally have not heard him verbally say something that makes me want to punch a hole in my wall.
Yet.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 20, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
it's april
lets not forget his rationale for pinch hitting Hu the other day.
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 20, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't thrown anyone under the bus or used someone's career as his play-thing.
Collins is way above Manuel.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
at least wally would be entertaining
he may yell and throw stuff…
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I think that act would get old after a couple of times
especially considering the team would still suck. That wouldn’t help to hide the “circus image” that the Mets have received the past few seasons.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 20, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
at least a circus is entertaining
they can shoot reyes out of a cannon during the 7th inning stretch.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Too bad.
That would’ve been a perfect job for LOLlie. Maybe Burkhardt can take that job instead.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 20, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck that shit.
If we ever want to be viewed as a respectable franchise, we should avoid Backman like the plague. And this is ignoring that he is just as likely to make bone-headed in-game moves too.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
If we want to viewed as a respectable franchise, we need better players
If we had a 110 win team, managerial transgressions would be viewed by the media in a positive light.
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 20, 2011 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep:
I support everyone’s right to react negatively and defeatedly, but whinging and moping don’t really make me feel better, so instead I’ll look forward to Jason Bay’s return Thursday night and hopefully a better game from the Mets to boot.
As peeved as I am at TC’s terrible bunt call in the 9th, I still get to watch baseball. I try to keep focused on that.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 20, 2011 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
It's my favorite team playing baseball.
I think it’s fun.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 20, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You just need to stock up more on Bushmills, Wild Turkey, Tully Dew, and Ketel One.
And you must put them all in one big glass and consume in one sitting. That way, the fun can be had.
Proud supporter of a New York baseball team and a Boston football team. Yeah, deal with it!
"We don’t listen to the hype. I don’t think we ever have. We really take after our coach and he says ‘When you win, say little. When you lose, say less.'"--Tom Brady
The 2011 New York Mets: At least we don't have Omar and Jerry anymore
Staunch Parishioner Of The First United Church of R.A. Dickey
There's always a way, my young Padawan.
Always a way.
Proud supporter of a New York baseball team and a Boston football team. Yeah, deal with it!
"We don’t listen to the hype. I don’t think we ever have. We really take after our coach and he says ‘When you win, say little. When you lose, say less.'"--Tom Brady
The 2011 New York Mets: Facepalm...
Staunch Parishioner Of The First United Church of R.A. Dickey
swing
the bat! Don’t have to swing for the fences(cause thats hard, even though we have them so far out to keep homeruns in, but I keep seeing guys take them 9 – 10 rows back go figure), but swing THE BATS!!!!
seriously..
What homeruns are they stopping?! Tulo took them really deep so has Beltran, oh so Reyes home run numbers will be down… who cares!!
Oh dear.

Proud supporter of a New York baseball team and a Boston football team. Yeah, deal with it!
"We don’t listen to the hype. I don’t think we ever have. We really take after our coach and he says ‘When you win, say little. When you lose, say less.'"--Tom Brady
The 2011 New York Mets: At least we don't have Omar and Jerry anymore
Staunch Parishioner Of The First United Church of R.A. Dickey
by R_Adragna on Apr 20, 2011 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
carl winz recs
I believe in one Dickey, Maker of knuckles and balls
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 20, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor Pagan
He has that desperate, haunted look in his eyes that Wright had, at I forget what particular time during our recent seasons’ travails. He just wants to win so much.
I highly recommend a listen
to RA Dickey’s post game interview.
He hit the nail on the head on what’s wrong with this team.
‘We have to stop telling ourselves we are a better team than this – we might not be."’
He went on to say until we, collectively, stop telling ourselves we’re better than this, it’ll all turn around, nothing will change. He said we need to own up to where we’re out and to a man, start making the necessary changes. ….Staring with me. I can’t continue to walk guys at the rate I am.
He stressed several times the team needs to take a good look in the mirror, essentially.
by MetsFan4Decades on Apr 20, 2011 10:49 PM EDT reply actions
Oh, dear,
a few spelling and grammar mistakes in there but you should get the gist.,
by MetsFan4Decades on Apr 20, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This
his post game interview was Dickey-tastic, as usual.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 20, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
can he be player-manager?
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Apr 20, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i would be so happy
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
damn
i checked the SNY website for the postgame, but i can’t find the clip where he says that…maybe they cut it out for being to “defeatist”. awesome quote though
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
damn your rationality, Eric
But things weren’t really so bad tonight.
You’re right, but this game just hurt so goddamn much. Plus, this is the Astros. Opponents aren’t going to get any worse.
Mark Cuban for owner! Save us from the Wilpons!
by Greenpoint Ian on Apr 20, 2011 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
Wright needs to go to the 5 spot in the lineup
Reyes
Pagan
Murphy
Beltran
Wright
Ike
Bay
Thole
Pitcher
Murphy and Beltran are hitting hot right now so they need to get more AB’s. We need to stick with Pagan right now and move Thole back…way back so he isnt forced to move Reyes over using the bunt.
One 15 minute call could save you hundreds on your Dickey insurance. Your going to need it punk!
by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 20, 2011 10:51 PM EDT reply actions
I would hit Beltran 2nd
Pagan is doing nothing right now.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
I'd hit Beltran 2nd too, Keep Wright at 3, Ike 4, Bay 5, Murphy 6, Pagan 7, Thole 8.
Then you have the RL alternation Terry likes too.
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I think Wright needs to move down
Is it just me or does he seem to hit best out of the 5 spot?
One 15 minute call could save you hundreds on your Dickey insurance. Your going to need it punk!
by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 20, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
A bunch of years worth of variables, but:
3rd: .306/.392/.506, 66 HR, 59 SB (420 ABs)
4th: .303/.378/.520, 27 HR, 24 SB (147 ABs)
5th: .304/.379/.517, 55 HR, 48 SB (326 ABs)
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 21, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Murphy bats 3rd and Bay bats 7th?
Really?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
Put the hot bats up higher to get more AB's, Bay is coming back from injury, do you expect him to hit well in the first game?
One 15 minute call could save you hundreds on your Dickey insurance. Your going to need it punk!
by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 20, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Put the guys getting hits... together... so, you know
they move each other over before Terry/Jerry makes them all bunt.
One 15 minute call could save you hundreds on your Dickey insurance. Your going to need it punk!
by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 20, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm kinda hoping Sandy
gives Collins a stern talking to about why you shouldn’t be sacrifice bunting with position players. Or he can replace him & hire the win probability computer. Either one would be OK with me.
What's that about?
by Brian. on Apr 20, 2011 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
he's bunted since the second game of the season
We’re in 18 games in and he hasn’t stopped bunting. Hell he’s bunted even more.
If your 2 hitter is good enough to bat second, he shouldn't be bunting, really, ever
I believe in one Dickey, Maker of knuckles and balls
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 20, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
also thole needs a swift backhand for such an atrocious bunt
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Apr 20, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Lisa Simpson for Manager!
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
by gbaked on Apr 20, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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"We don’t listen to the hype. I don’t think we ever have. We really take after our coach and he says ‘When you win, say little. When you lose, say less.'"--Tom Brady
The 2011 New York Mets: Facepalm...
Staunch Parishioner Of The First United Church of R.A. Dickey
Just saw that
what a fail. Fail is in the night.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 20, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, Flyers lost.
So this day wasn’t THAT bad after all.
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"We don’t listen to the hype. I don’t think we ever have. We really take after our coach and he says ‘When you win, say little. When you lose, say less.'"--Tom Brady
The 2011 New York Mets: Facepalm...
Staunch Parishioner Of The First United Church of R.A. Dickey
I saw that
Marian Gaborik:

Know you done fucked up right?
What's that about?
by Brian. on Apr 20, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the Rangers could find a way to lose...
in a worse fashion than the Mets, they did tonight.
Sandy Alderson!
Truly a stupid, stupid play.
The play was in front of him and he flips it away from his goalie into the attacking player? I’m sorry but you just don’t do that. You either coral it for you goaltender to freeze or fling it away from traffic, not into it.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
now the Rangers fan mongos
Will be calling for Gaborik to be benched and then traded in the offseason.
Constructive suggestion
The next time there is an AA representative on one of those blogger calls with Sandy, can you ask him about the bunting? Is this something he agrees with (I’m sure he doesn’t). Is this something he’ll discuss with Terry Collins?
My wife's name is Mrs. Coleman and she likes me, Bub.
by Ownbey4Mex on Apr 20, 2011 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
I lobby for this.
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+1
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 20, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no way Sandy approves of this
He did it in the freaking eighth inning too, putting Harris in a two-strike hole.
And of course, no beat writers will ask about it, because it doesn’t fit into the narrative of the story they have to bang out on deadline. It’s much easier to blame Thole/Reyes than to explain why that’s such an idiotic play.
by Bieser's Balk on Apr 20, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes please.
This is a good suggestion.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 20, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This all day long
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Look. I'm pissed.
So are a lot of people. And its justified. We don’t deserve this. We’re surrounded by winning. The Yanks are at the top, the Jets have turned into perrenial contenders, the Giants should be perrenial contenders, the Knicks and Rangers are in the playoffs, even the Cyclones did better than us last year. It sucks.
I know its only April, but come late-May and early-June, if we’re still here, the shithole we’re stuck in right now, it’ll be time for Sandy to clean house. Everyone on the coaching staff gone. And I mean everyone. Originally I supported keeping Warthn and Hale, but its time for fresh faces. New coaches haven’t worked either, so fire them and call up everybody and their sister (although Keith won’t like that) get them in the dugout, kicking ass and taking names. Bye-bye Pelf, Niese and Bullpen. Hello Mejia, Cohoon, Harvey and whoever the fuck else you can think of. If we have a rotation of rookies great! I’d be happy to see Mejia, Harvey, Cohoon, Gee, and whoever else face Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Oswalt and Blanton. Why not?
And if Pagan and Wright are still slumping than fuck them, give Kirk and Evans a chance for a few games.
Bah. I’m pissed.
Come May, its clean house time.
I believe in Dillon Gee!
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
No
Take a chill pill, bringing those guys up now would stunt ’em
yeah, I know...I'm pissed.
but aren’t we bringing Mejia up in July or August anyway?
I believe in Dillon Gee!
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
If all the cards fall right
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 20, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Mejia stays in Buffalo until he can command all of his pitches like a MLB pitcher
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
by Russ on Apr 20, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Can't rec this highly enough
The sound of reason. Let the kids develop
One 15 minute call could save you hundreds on your Dickey insurance. Your going to need it punk!
by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 20, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Coaches?
Really? The coaching staff won’t be purged (with the possible exception of Warthen as a scapegoat desperation move) and new coaches will do little, anyway.
And no. We’re not bringing up young players unless they are ready. Do you want this team’s future even more fucked up?
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 20, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What does Chip Hale have to do with Collins bad managerial decisions?
And why exactly are you dumping a young lefty in order to rush some promising arms?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
I think it is obvious why Terry didn't have a job as a manager for a decade.
He is fucking retarded. Firing him and hiring someone whose name does not end in -erry would make me feel a bit better, at least until we discover that the new guy is retarded too.
by Shevshevy on Apr 20, 2011 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The only worse choice than Terry as manager is Wally
My top three choices were Bobby V, Hale, and Teufel. This was a very uninspired hire. I’m wondering what DePo liked about Collins all those years ago. What dd Sandy like about him that made him decide he was the right man for the job?
I wanted Bobby V, Wally, Hale.
I don’t know, I felt like maybe they should’ve given Wally a chance. It least he’d get pissed and get thrown out. Maybe inspire a rally or something.
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Logic Your Sense Makes None.
Angry managers do not correlate to good managers
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by Syler on Apr 20, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This.
What did Larry Bowa do with the Phillies in the early 2000’s? He threw hissy fits, lost a ton of games and eventually his job because he pissed too many people off.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 20, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And then some guy came along
and, despite sounding like and being a total fucking hick retard, is winning.
What’s wrong with this picture?
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by R_Adragna on Apr 20, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I worry that all managers are this dumb
Stupidity is so deeply ingrained in this game. It affects managers, ex-players, broadcasters, everyone. Gary, Keith, Bobby O no one even raised the possibility of the bunt being a stupid call there.
At least I don’t want to punch Terry in the face like I did with Jerry.
by Bieser's Balk on Apr 20, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Terry is on a roll
He is getting close to creating Jerry levels of anger in me
I wish he could have gotten himself kicked out of the game yesterday
instead of being a fucking pussycat
For some reason Im kinda surprised he hasnt at least tried to get thrown out yet.
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by NetsMets4Life on Apr 20, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Keith specifically said
that Thole needed to be swinging when Gary asked him before the AB. Then never mentioned a peep when he bunted. I think they were more pissed that he fucked up the execution so badly.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Apr 20, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
But still,
he should’ve never been put in that position to begin with. I’ll never understand why “baseball people” want to sacrifice when trailing in the 9th. Don’t they realize that they’re only hurting their chances to score by giving away an out? Haven’t broken this out in a while, but the run expectancy matrix proves it:
In conclusion, giving away outs is dumb. It is really, really dumb. For real.
What's that about?
by Brian. on Apr 20, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Oh I completely agree with it being a stupid decision
I was agreeing with Beiser about how annoying it is when the announcers don’t call the managers out, especially when two minutes earlier Keith was saying that Thole should be swinging away.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Apr 20, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This chart should be on the wall of every dugout in baseball
It’s Science, Damnit!
by David G on Apr 21, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I always rec the win expectancy matrix
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by Thomas Wachtel on Apr 21, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW
whats the game thread post record?
I know I didn’t break it, but it was like 335 or something, right?
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Not even close
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 20, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wear that gold medal proudly
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I do. I don't have much else, so what the hell.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 20, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh wow. 453...
on the last day of the season?
Really?
Impressive.
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Brooklyn Dodgers has the record with over 400
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OT but this is how you use the twitter...
@ochocinco Chad Ochocinco
No Fuck You RT @LaFitted: @ochocinco Motherfuckers are dying everyday from hunger. And you punks want more money to play a sport fuck you
4 minutes ago
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
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by NetsMets4Life on Apr 20, 2011 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Nice
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 20, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Its kinda sad but if I were that guy
Id live the rest of my life knowing that Chad Ochocinco thinks I should go fuck myself. Feels bad man.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 20, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't make any sense of those twitter posts.
by lstorie1971 on Apr 20, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Some guy basically tells Chad Ochocinco that hes an asshole
and Chad replies “Fuck you.”
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 20, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd
Last time I checked this was a lockout and not a strike. So in addition to just being an asshole, that guy tweeting Ochocinco is just plain wrong.
"You're Darryl Strawberry!" "Yes?" "You play right field!" "Yes?" "Well, are you better than me?" "I've never met you.... but.... yes."
by Five-Tool Tool on Apr 20, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how people know what a lockout is now, but didn't in '04.
(not calling you out, Five-Tool Tool.)
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Well, hey.
Mark Cohoon had 11 Ks and 0 BBs in 7 innings of work tonight for the B-Mets. That’s a good thing.
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by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 20, 2011 11:14 PM EDT reply actions
make him the closer!
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
No.
long reliever.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 20, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
how do you do the sarcastic font?
is it this?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
my preview button was broken
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
As long as your tab key isn't broken,
you’re good.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 21, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Just got back from Citi Field
what a cluster fuck this team has become.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I feel bad for the people that went to see this.
Jeez.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 20, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
my condolences
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by KeithsMoustache on Apr 20, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, at least the MLB didn't have to seize control of our day-to-day operations
It’s the little things.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 20, 2011 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
Would that really be a bad thing at this point??
The Wilpons aren’t going to give up this team unless it’s taken away from them.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
We're in no danger of being contracted
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
The Expos weren't allowed to spend any money
during that time, though. It’s been well documented that they weren’t even allowed to add minor leaguers to the roster in September because the major league minimum was too expensive for MLB’s taste.
The Mets being owned by MLB for any long period of time would likely mean disaster/firesale of any meaningful player making more than a few million bucks.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 20, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And wasn't Omar their GM?
Winder if LA will be the home to the Minaya family?
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 20, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the Wilpons can sell their majority share of the Mets, and buy the Dodgers?
#Disgruntledfanswhohatethewilponsirrationally
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 20, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe the Wilpons can share their majority share of the Mets
and fuck off
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 20, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He was.
The sad thing is that the difference between Ned Coletti and Omar Minaya is likely negligible. They’re both terrible at running ML teams.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 20, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
While that is all true
I can’t help but thin that due to the market, they’d be less restrictive if they controlled the Mets.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Between the Knicks and the Mets
every way I turn I get my face bashed in. Is what God meant when he said to turn the other cheek?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
When Dickey said that, he meant it as in
peg them in the ass cheek with a 84 MPH fastball
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 20, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Kicks are in the playoffs.
Kids are in Kindergarten who are yet to see the Mets in the playoffs.
Suck it up
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 20, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes Colonel.
If you say so!
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
This is not Rock Bottom
Rock bottom comes in June when they trade Reyes and Beltran for a bag of balls.
This isn't Omar we're talking about
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
oh they will get players that will contribute eventually
But at that moment, it will feel like they got a bag of balls.
I feel the tears welling up right now.
Reyes has the best season for a Mets SS in history and we trade him for Carlos Lee and Hunter Pence or Pablo Sandoval and a large fried rice…and its not even shrimp fried rice…boohoo
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 20, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And Pablo Sandoval probably eats it on the plane trip from SF to NY, too.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 20, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That fat bastard would!!!
Boooooo hooooo
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 20, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
One of my favorite things ever.

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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 21, 2011 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOL
excellent.
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Oh god.
Carlos Lee? Pablo Sandoval? Just shoot me in the face right now…I don’t want to live to see that day.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 20, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It will be one of the sad days in Mets history when that man puts on another team's uniform
and 90 % of the mongos in this town won’t even care
by Endys Game on Apr 20, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
sadly rec'd
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 20, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Beltran too.
And it’ll probably be about 97% of them who won’t even care & will celebrate his departure. I hate WFAN.
What's that about?
At this point, Beltran won't be as sad
they got nice value from his contract and doesn’t make sense to bring him back. Losing Jose will be tragic.
Beltran is only sad because far too many people will be glad to see him gone
instead of realizing what he brought to the team.
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by KeithsMoustache on Apr 21, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
But even though he's had his problems with surgery...
He was still a fan favorite by a lot of people, he’ll be missed.
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If reyes gets traded I'm fucking done. Officially. I will pick another team.
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by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 21, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
this, especially if it's basically just a dumping of salary
amest I bovvered forsooth?
ARE YOU DISRESPECTING THE HOUSE OF CITI
ARE YOU CALLING REYES A POX RIDDEN WENCH
ARE YOU CALLING DAVID WRIGHT A GOODLY ROTTEN APPLE
CAUSE HE AIN'T EVEN A GOODLY ROTTEN APPLE THOUGH
I didn't pick another team when Seaver was traded.
I didn’t pick another team when Lenny was traded.
I won’t pick another team if Reyes is traded.
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and it is not too early to say this
Terry Collins stinks to high water as a manager. I have not been posting much because of a new job but I put the game on at work and my boss just laughs and laughs at Collins.
by Endys Game on Apr 20, 2011 11:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Is your boss a Yankees fan?
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The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
No a Yankees fan would ask
Why didnt they sign Torre?
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 20, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely not too early
He is the worst. The absolute worst I think I’ve ever seen.
My boss like cricket actually
and even he can tell Collins is clueless. pinchtting with Hu and saying he would never send up Murphy againt a LH was the final straw.
Tell him Viv Richards is godlike.
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 20, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
we are on pace for 45 wins
so at least there is that…
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
A protected first-round pick!
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 20, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
My first Top 10 in game embiggening
I’m actually proud.
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by Five-Tool Tool on Apr 20, 2011 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
Touch 'em all, Five-Tool Tool!
You deserve it!
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 20, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Terry Collins is laughably bad
I thought the goal was to hire someone unlike Jerry Manuel and they bring in his clone. He plays against his teams strengths and has zero understanding of percentages. Why the fuck was this clown hired? Because he’s a positive upbeat clown? So are high school cheerleaders. You cannot bunt on the first pitch there. Let a guy who is 7 for fucking 7 steal a base. You don’t pitch to Troy Tulowitzki with a base open and Jose Lopez on deck. This is 2 games he’s cost them now. In only 18 played. It’s really hard for a manager to pull that off. Jose Reyes scores about 66 pct. of the time he leads off with a hit. That’s probably a low estimate. He doesn’t need help with a fucking bunt. Years of Manuel have taught us this. Why did the Mets hire a dottering old man that probably yells at kids on his lawn. He’s also pinch hitting Turner over Hairston, because Hairston has looked awful. You know what? If you can’t put up Hairston there, over a guy that’sonly there because Emaus sucked, then DFA Hairston and bring up Evans. I’m sick of this old coot and it’s still April.
The thing I really hate is
why do you play that situation differently then you would if it was the 1st inning or the 4th inning or any other inning? Would you bunt with Reyes on first in the 1st inning? Of course not…you let the guys swing the bat and try to knock him in and you let Reyes run if he can get a good read. So it has to be different in the 9th inning because it’s the end of the game? It’s blatant overmanaging when a manager does that. Yes, it’s late in the game, you’re losing and there are only 3 outs left. But giving up one of those outs only makes your job tougher!
If you wouldn’t do that in the 1st inning of a scoreless game, why would you give yourself less margin for error in the 9th inning of a game? It’s simple common sense, yet it baffles every friggin’ major league manager.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 21, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, and also
you’ve placed Thole in the 2 hole because you trust his ability to take pitches. Let him do it! Let him work a count so Jose can steal. Then hit to the right side and he’s on 3rd with one out. It’s like a nightmare, this can’t all be happening again.
The idea is that you play for the tie at home late in the game
Which is fucking stupid as fuck. but thats the idea
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by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Apr 21, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Then my question is
why is stupidity like that “the idea?” Who created this bullshit and why does every manager cling to it for dear life?
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 21, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You know,
I think we’ve forgotten about because Collins is a fool, but that Turner at-bat in the eighth was disgusting. Where the fuck was the plate discipline at?
What's that about?
Yup, he was going to swing at anything there
you could easily tell. That’s Collins basically saying Turner is better than Hairston. Based on what? Not seeing play, that’s what. Hairston is their best righthanded bat off the bench, like it or not. That’s his at bat. Don’t base decisions on a small sample of at bats from Hairston, no matter how bad he looks. Collins is basing everything on small samples and looks desperate. I don’t think he lasts the year.
I don't blame Terry for that
Hairston has been horrible this year, and he’s already been burned several times by PHing Hairston. Plus, Turner isn’t Tejada/Cora.
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The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
But you have to trust that it will turn around
It’s not easy, but you can’t give up on guys on April 20. If so, then like I said, DFA him and bring up Evans. You can argue Turner is more of a contact hitter, but that’s an extremely hard spot to put him in.
The game recap here
Is simply not hard enought on Collins’ decision to bunt in the 9th. Eric, you’ve got to hammer him on it. It’s wrong on every level imaginable and it has nothing to do with moneyball. It’s not understanding odds. I bet Backman might bunt there, too. Let’s find a manager who wouldn’t bunt there. Look to the American League. Is Earl Weaver still alive?
Earl Weaver Is Still Alive but Is About 80
I still love his line about playing for 1 run. “play for one run, lose by one run.”
by millsy on Apr 21, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
For All Those Criticizing Collins - He's A Stop Gap Manager
It was pretty obvious coming into the season this team was going nowhere. I didn’t expect it to be this bad but it was also clear that 2011 was about clearing out bad contracts and figure out who to rebuild around.
My read based on who was interviewed for the job was that Alderson and Co were looking for a 2 yr stop gap manager while they rebuilt the team. Knowing NY was the type of town that spits out managers they clearly weren’t going to give a dead end job to a young promising manager who would have been run out of town b/f the new talent arrived. Hence we have Terry Collins.
For those of you old enough to remember – Terry Collins is basically the 2011 version of George Bamburger. Hopefully Alderson and Co have their Davey Johnson plying his trade in soimewhere in the system for when the time is right.
I disagree, there is talent here
Wright will start hitting, Pagan will hit, and the starters won’t continue to pitch to a 6 ERA. This is an 80 to 85 win team, but not when they pitch to Troy Tulowitzki with bases open and not when you consistently lower your chances of scoring by bunting with guys that know how to work counts with exceptional base stealers on base. There has to be “stop gap” guys out there that understand basic odds.
"This is an 80 to 85 win team"
I disagree. The rotation is mediocre at best, the bullpen is terrible for the most part, and the offense is unpredictable.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
by Syler on Apr 21, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But the shame...
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 21, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Not for nothing but
I think the Giants are happy to have Tim Lincecum and the Rockies are happy with Troy Tulowitzki, who are both former high draft picks due to poor seasons.
I’d be ecstatic to get a franchise player like that in exchange for one losing season.
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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 21, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot depends on Pelf and Niese
If they continue to pitch like this yeah, it’s not. If it’s Niese and Pelf from last year, I think it’s a .500 team easy. Plus if Bay hits. Big if, but they are getting nothing from left field and second base for the 2nd straight year.
80 Wins Is Not A Contender and I Think You Are Very Optimistic
with the talent on this team. Yes Wright and Pagan will start to hit but the starting pitching is mediocre and the bullpen is downright awful. Beltran is close to done and Bay appears destined to spend the rest of his Mets career on and off the DL.
And if even this team manages to win 75-80 games, we still aren’t a playoff contender so does it matter if the manager is Terry Collins or any other bozo they can find? In the end managers are overrated anyway.
"Beltran is close to done"
Um, wut?
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The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
The Guy Can't Move. He Needs to Become A DH Somewhere
which is what guys who can’t field anymore but can periodically hit do.
I loved Beltran in his prime but the guy has clearly lost a couple of steps. And with his knee problems he could extend his career a few yrs by becoming a DH.
Beltran is hitting .250 /.328/.500
which is far from done territory, and fielding-wise, UZR has him thus far in the season as -2.2. Those aren’t Beltranian levels, and are a SSS and a one-year application of UZR, but a -2.2 isn’t particularly bad.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 21, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Beltran's UZR/150 is currently -37.7 which is terrible
That said, it is a very small sample size, and he is new to the position.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
I Said He Was "Close To Done", Not Done
Let’s admit reality – Beltran is a shadow of the player he was, has a very bad knee and really needs to become a DH. This way he can play everyday as a hitter and minimize wear and tear on his bad knee. Maybe I am spoiled from the way Beltran used to play but watching him move so slowly is painful for me.
The Mets are not going to resign Beltran after the season so they should do him a favor and send him to an AL team if they get something in return. Plus it will allow a rebuidling team to figure out if any of the players in the farm system might be a suitable replacement (my guess is no but you never know).
Beltran has been one of our best hitters
He’s the least of our problems
I Said "Close to Done" Not Done
Have you been watching him? Yes he still seems to be able to get around on the ball but he really doesn’t have the speed to be an OF anymore. He needs to do what aging, injured OFers do – become a DH for an AL team.
Chip Hale.
Manager in waiting. Hopefully he sees everything not to do and learns that way.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Maybe Hale Is the Future Manager
People seem to think highly of him. Better for him not to be manager of this mess at this time.
I think that the next manager will be Oberkfell
Just a guess.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Not unless we're swinging away.
My wife's name is Mrs. Coleman and she likes me, Bub.
by Ownbey4Mex on Apr 21, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to the game on Sunday
Something good better damn well happen then.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 21, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
It's Easter. Nothing bad can happen on Easter.
by lstorie1971 on Apr 21, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Pray to Dickey for a good game.
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Apr 21, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Dickey did, after all,
descend to the Minor Leagues, and later ascended to the Majors.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 21, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
thats the spirit!
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Apr 21, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Going to the game tomorrow
Just got to pick it up and try again. Dickey is right, the team has to stop waiting for things to resolve themselves. FLuky plays are happening yes, but bad luck is not responsible for Dubs striking out. Bad luck is not responsible for Pagan not hitting a lick. Bad luck is not responsible for Niese’s inability to string together 6+ consistent innings since his first start (Ditto Pelf for any of his starts). There needs to be some serious introspection and work, and if necessary a cardboard cutout of Sandy, whatever works. I don’t care how many chickens need to be sacrificed or bats awoken by Jobu if that’s your taste, or prayers to Dickey or whoever, but this team needs to actively start investing in being better. These players are not as bad as they seem, but they will stay that way if they think everything will eventually fix itself
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Apr 21, 2011 3:37 AM EDT reply actions
Well luck is partly to blame for Pagan and Niese's troubles.
They are suffering the effects of a .179 and .333 BAABIP respectively. And FWIW, Pelfrey has a nasty .397 BIBIP (and it’s not like LD is a problem as he only has a 16.4 LD% (career 20.3%)).
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Fluky plays come from poor execution.
They need to stop screwing up the basic stuff (preferably, stop bunting altogether), and they need to get back to the plate discipline they were showing the first week of the season.
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Apr 21, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Precisely my point
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Apr 21, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Another good loss and home series dropped :{
I know that it’s early, but, the METS would have to win 8 or 9 games in a row, just to get back to 500, do you really think that this team can do that? IF, they do get back to 500 they would have to win more than one game in a row to stay above 500, do you think this team can do that? They just keep getting further and further behind the 8-ball, IF they don’t catch fire soon, it will get late very fast. If you look at this teams past, they win 3 and drop 4, win 9 and drop 7 and that won’t get it done. I’m sorry, but, it’s true. I hate to think that 2001 is over, but, the team is NOT playing well at all, and, is NOT showing any signs of getting out of it to soon. We are playing teams that we are supposed to beat, teams that are kicking our butts, it’s sad :{
Terry Collins is the white Jerry
Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
by Aidan Gibson on Apr 21, 2011 8:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think at mid season
Terry Collins will rip off his mask, Mission Impossible-style, and reveal Jerry laughing underneath. And then he’ll just say “Of course it’ me, there’s no question.”
No. Please stop.
Nothing could be that torturous. And this team will play better now that Bay is back in the line-up. I also hope Gee stays in the rotation. Plus, we’ll get Chris Young back soon.
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