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Jason Bay Returns to Mets' Lineup Tonight

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For the first time since July 25, 2010, Jason Bay will be in the Mets' lineup tonight. To say his 2010 season was disappointing would be a major understatement. Brought in at the tail end of the Omar Minaya era, Bay was supposed to help fill the void left in the Mets' lineup created by Carlos Delgado's departure and provide the team the everyday left fielder it had lacked. 

Bay was coming off one of the finest years of his career in 2009, hitting a career-high 36 home runs and posting a .397 wOBA, the second-best of his career excluding his 107 Plate Appearances in 2003. Although it was obvious that the Mets committed too many years and dollars to Bay when he was signed, nobody would have predicted just how bad his first year in Queens would be.

Before suffering a season-ending concussion, Bay played 95 games and displayed an uncharacteristically low amount of power. He hit only 6 home runs in those games, which played a big role in his .402 SLG and .144 ISO, the lowest marks of his career. He wound up with a .336 wOBA, which was only his second-worst, thanks to the fact that he was still getting on base at a respectable .347 clip.

In nearly every way, 2010 looked a heck of a lot like 2007, and much like he did in 2008, Bay figures to bounce back this season. He'll be 33 before the year is over, but the projections all see Bay as a far more productive player than he was last year, even if they don't see him regaining his pre-Mets form. As long as Bay winds up closer to his 2009 numbers than his 2010 numbers, he'll make a significant impact.

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And that brings us to what Bay's return means for the Mets. Through 18 games, the Mets rank 12th in the National League with an average of 4.0 runs per game. Bay's replacements in left field have not helped the cause in his absence. They've hit .227/.320/.364 with 1 home run, numbers that even Bay's 2010 would easily eclipse. Throw in the fact that Willie Harris has gone 1-for-3 in his stolen base attempts, and there's another reason to expect better things with Bay back in the lineup. He'll never be confused for Jose Reyes on the basepaths, but Bay will steal every now and again and usually does so successfully. Since 2008, he's swiped 33 bases while getting caught a mere 3 times, good for a 92% success rate.

Last but not least, while Bay is no defensive wizard, the numbers aren't so thrilled with Harris or Scott Hairston, either. Fangraphs' Aggregate Defensive Rating has both players as slight positives in left field. Bay, on the other hand, had a couple significantly negative years but was only rated a slight negative the past two seasons. In other words, the defensive downgrade should be far outweighed by the offensive upgrade.

Things got off to about as bad a start as they could for the Mets this year, and while he'll never live up to his huge contract, Jason Bay should still be a force in the lineup, especially in the short-term. The Mets, a team that has so far allowed 5.4 runs per game, need all the help scoring runs they can get.

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I believe in Dillon Gee!
Logic Your Sense Makes None.

by JoeBighead on Apr 21, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

All good questions.

Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.

by meigs1414 on Apr 21, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is he on the...

the basics? Seems like the Mets have a tough time with executing basic plays.

by NetsNewark on Apr 21, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully Bay can help stabilize a lineup that has leaned pretty heavily on Jose and Beltran so far

If he can, and murph continues to hit, at least we won’t have to endure low scoring losses, just regular standard ones.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Apr 21, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

You mean

gut wrenching bullpen meltdowns, right?

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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 21, 2011 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah standard

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by KeithsMoustache on Apr 21, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, this

i’m gonna try to focus on individual’s progress at this point; hopefully bay can exorcise some freshman demons and play to form. the forest is burnt, looking for bits of tree among the ashes

"this is not live." - Lindsey Nelson

by MilnerTime on Apr 21, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly pitching has been a big problem but we seem to have problems winning close games, a problem plaguing this team since Piazza left.

Bay, hopefully, brings more depth to a team that lost last night by one run and has lost by less than 2 runs more times in this season than i want to think about.

Welcome back Jason Bay

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Apr 21, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

This.

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by JoeBighead on Apr 21, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said!

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by Russ on Apr 21, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

isnt it funny

how SArge,JP & DePo are in place, ready to take on all comers and evaluate prospects. like ownership knew, marketing & collinzizms/stengaleze aside, that this would happen and put the talent eval in place. wait it out fellas, don’t sell short. thats all i ask

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by MilnerTime on Apr 21, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

anyone know what bays option is?

"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell

by Rey-O on Apr 21, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I know it's a vest.

But not sure of the amount.

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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 21, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

350 AB's over the last two seasons of his contract maybe?

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by Rey-O on Apr 21, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is something like that, but the number is much higher

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by fxcarden on Apr 21, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here

Bay gets an $8.5 million signing bonus, payable upon approval by Major League Baseball, a $6.5 million salary this year and $16 million in each of the final three seasons. The outfielder’s option would become guaranteed if Bay has 600 plate appearances in 2013 or 500 plate appearances in both the 2012 and 2013 seasons.

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by fxcarden on Apr 21, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The option is basically guaranteed unless some catastrophic stuff goes down

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 21, 2011 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

that's why i absolutely hate vesting options like that

because it’s a contract designed to shoot itself in his foot. either he’s injured the last two years of his contract and he can’t play, or he can play and you end up have to pay him for a 5th year at 17 million dollars. it’s almost a lose lose situation.

"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell

by Rey-O on Apr 21, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is also a buyout at $3 million

so it isn’t as bad.

He also got a full no-trade

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by fxcarden on Apr 21, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Omar:

Greatest negotiator ever.

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by Russ on Apr 21, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha ha

well, bottom line is if Sandy doesn’t want him, he can buy him out relatively cheap.

I think K-Rod’s buy-out is $7 million ?.

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by fxcarden on Apr 21, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

if he gets DL time, he doesn’t vest.

if he doesn’t, one can assume he did at least “OK”.

not as bad as “games finished”, IMO, but see why it could be an anchor, too.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by fxcarden on Apr 21, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a LOT of DL time.

600 plate appearances in 2013, there’s a decent chance that doesn’t happen even without excessive DL time. But, for the 500 plate appearances in both 2012 and 2013 combined, he’s gotta average less than 250 PAs each year- that, I consider catastrophic territory, in terms of what’s going on with Bay. That’s basically another half-season concussion DL, x2.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 22, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeebus.

Omar Minaya and his shitty contract negotiation skills can go fall off a cliff for all I care.

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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 21, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

his option is

hit well or feel my wrath

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Apr 21, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like that option better.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 22, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lineup tonight, yes!

1. Jose Reyes
2. Angel Pagan
3. David Wright
4. Carlos Beltran
5. Jason Bay
6. Ike Davis

7. Justin Turner
8. Mike Nickeas
9. Chris Capuano

by TheBigStapler on Apr 21, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

even after his home run last night

he’s not back in the lineup? the mets seem determined not to let him have the job

"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell

by Rey-O on Apr 21, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're going straight L/R platoon, I'd imagine.

For better or for worse.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 21, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like Ike is the only one batting from the left side tonight, but I'd still do:

Reyes R
Beltran R
Wright R
Davis L
Bay R
Pagan R
Turner R
Nickeas R
Capuano L

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by sparbz on Apr 21, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

give us the hammer!

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by KeithsMoustache on Apr 21, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Bay can hit. 260 and like 15 HR

I’ll take it.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 21, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He also needs to play semi-mediocre defense.

And not be named Scott Hairston or Willie Harris.

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by sparbz on Apr 21, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that Bay is perfectly capable of being semi-mediocre

No worries here.

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by Russ on Apr 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You leave Willie Harris out of this

He’s a bench guy, and will do better when back on the bench, playing every once and a while on weekends, and as a defensive replacement an inning every other game or whatever. Playing every day, yeah, his weaknesses become pretty apparent.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 22, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want to see him in most of the games

I mean can he play 130+ games the rest of the way.

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by Rickfansince76 on Apr 21, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I, for one, welcome our new left field overlord.

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by sparbz on Apr 21, 2011 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Bay is going to lend a nice helping hand

He is better than our replacement LF options we have been using so far. And his bat is about 10x more potent. He will be more of the old Bay (seasoning?) when in the lineup. We can count on him for a source of power and driving in runs in the five hole. And Bay will definitely hit more than 15hrs, anything less is a huge wash. He is a good veteran player and will definitely be a help to the team. (not to mention, how dumb is the decision to get Bay over Holliday still seem?.. thanks omar)
Outside of Bay although, he is coming into a lineup that has terrible discipline and pitch recognition. Not sure why but it seems like almost every hitter on this team has a backwards approach at the plate.

by TomCarvel on Apr 21, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd for Old Bay Seasoning.

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by sparbz on Apr 21, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

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