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Fire Sales, White Flags, And A Plea Of Patience By Mets Fans Everywhere

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Despite the long-overdue offensive outburst during yesterday's 9-1 win over the Astros, media outlets continue to beat the drum in favor of the Mets commencing a very public and disgraceful self-immolation. Kevin Kernan of the New York Post joined the fray in today's paper by intimating an imminent fire sale for the Mets this season after Sandy Alderson conceded the lack of any meaningful organizational reinforcements.

Kernan's not the first to say it, nor will he be the last. That doesn't make his suggestions any wiser, though.

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Here's the money quote by Kernan:

But this was a day general manager Sandy Alderson, who said he was not aware that some fans had been wearing paper bags on their heads at Citi Field this week, made it clear the minor league cupboard is bare at the highest levels.

That only can mean one thing: There will be a serious restocking of the shelves.

You can sense the day is coming when Alderson backs up the truck and trade whoever he can, starting with Jose Reyes and probably Wright, too. Davis might be young enough to keep around, but there really are no untouchables.

Without using the words themselves, Kernan clearly advocates for a fire sale in his article by making every Met a trade target. He describes this week's games against the Astros and Diamondbacks as "the Battle for the 2012 top draft pick" and allows Alderson's current inaction as a grace period before "it's time to get to work and restock the minor leagues and build for the future." Kernan is not questioning if the Mets are dead. He's saying the Mets are dead and seeks to scrap the roster for parts.

Kernan's message of "SELL! SELL! SELL!" isn't completely unwarranted given the Mets' long odds at playing meaningful baseball in September 2011 - but it is misguided. In baseball parlance, a "fire sale" involves selling off as much of your personnel as you can, usually due to financial reasons. That's essentially what the Marlins executed after winning the 1997 World Series. Their sustainability did not factor into the decision. They sold because they were cheap and because they planned on being cheap for a while.

While the Madoff trustees lawsuit will imply the former regarding the Wilpons' financial viability, it's still a stretch to imply the latter about the team's finances. I previously described this season as "The 2011 Hump," which I used to describe how enduring the team's burdensome payroll obligations in 2011 will free up considerable resources for the Mets front office in 2012 and beyond. If the Mets do nothing from a personnel standpoint this season, they could free up as much as $60 million or more to redirect toward future plans (pending whether Francisco Rodriguez's performance option vests and any collateral damage from the Madoff trustees lawsuit). They can trim down the Hump via trade, but the only way to erase it is to grit your teeth and bear it for one more season.

The fire sale differs from what is traditionally known as the "White Flag" trade. The White Flag trade isn't about recouping costs as much as it is about cutting your losses and attempting to extract as much value as you can from a trade partner for your suddenly extraneous talent. You conclude you can't compete, so you sell your non-essential premium players to the highest bidder. That's what the White Sox pulled off at the trade deadline in 1997 by trading off three prominent pitchers despite being only 3.5 games behind the Indians in the AL Central. It represents a conscious and strategic front office decision that says, "It's over. We have no shot. Let's start building for next year."

Advocating a fire sale now isn't just misguided - it's pointless. Selling off Beltran, Reyes, and Wright just to recoup costs via minor league talent will not lessen the 2011 Hump in any meaningful way. The Mets will either eat a good chunk of Beltran's contract to receive a worthwhile prospect, or clear the payroll for a lesser one. Reyes or Wright could incite a bidding war among potential trade partners, which would encourage waiting until the last minute to convert trade talks into a de-facto auction. None of those moves significantly lessen the 2011 Hump, alter what the Mets presently pay for marginal wins, nor change the amount of monies the Mets should free up at season's end.

Despite a 6-13 record and sole possession of the worst record in the National League, it's still too early for Alderson and the Mets to wave the White Flag or host a fire sale. The Mets might start playing meaningful baseball again, and even hovering around the Wild Card race at the All-Star Break could keep interest up and revenues growing for the franchise. Break up the Core before testing its resiliency one more time in earnest and you only expedite the sight of the White Flag. And there's no real reason at present to rush the surrender.

Fire sales are about the money, stupid. White Flags are about the talent. The former's unnecessary and it's too soon to seriously consider the latter.

So can Kernan and his ilk quit it with the doom-and-gloom trade chatter until at least Memorial Day?

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God, I am so sick of this bullshit from the media.

If it weren’t for AA, I wouldn’t be reading about the Mets at all, because I cannot stomach this constant stream of negativity and defeatism from these so-called professional writers. If someone like Kiernan had been president in 1941, we would have surrendered immediately following Pearl Harbor.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 22, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree

The media likes easy wounded targets and the Mets (and as of two days ago the Dodgers as well) are it. It should be also important to note that the NY Post is pro-Yankees, while the Daily News is pro-Mets. Then combine that with the endless amounts of clods EPSN has in its employe

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by BlueChill on Apr 23, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes

is starting to get expensive. Both in signing cost and in what kind of haul in talent it would take to get him. I was over on the Tigers board the other day and someone was drooling at the thought of bagging him. Hmm, Justin Turner, Alex Avila, Casper Wells (eh, we have Wells types of out own)…not that i’d want to trade him, but bidders will be lining up. I hope the Mets scrounge around for enough change under the sofa to sign him.

by wobatus on Apr 22, 2011 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

this

I wonder if Reyes would agree to something like 55/3.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Apr 22, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey

the man is on the record as saying the only team he wants to play for is the Mets…..

you never know.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Apr 22, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

We might be able to sign him for 5 years

but 6 or 7 seems more likely after Crawford and Werth’s contracts.

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by Russ on Apr 22, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I greened you

but……….the Wilpons will hang on to the bitter end. My hope is that they have enough to money to sign Reyes.

I agree though, trading him won’t net much in terms of WAR. Like you said, out of three guys, you might get one that actually pans out. This thing will start turning around in three years, so we have to approach as such. Jose and wright can still help a lot in three years.

by Coolpapabell on Apr 22, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

and no way he is worth 110 million so see ya

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by lohaus#54 on Apr 23, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

no no it is a bad comment

i like reyes foir 150 please we need him for the runs and defence he is great not good..

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by 45#snɐɥoן on Apr 23, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

That’s why I said i hope they sign him. Just saying if he has to be dealt, he’s getting pricier and pricier in terms of the talent haul required. Actually, the package I mentioned isn’t all that great, but i don’t know the tiger’s system all that well and i don’t think it’s all that hot. turner is a good pitching prospect, Avila is a decent catcher with some patience and pop, and Wells should likely play over Jackson, who was a bit of a fluke batting average wise last year.

by wobatus on Apr 22, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

While I hope to God they resign him

I understand your thinking as well. If we got a haul like Texas got from Atlanta in the Mark
Teixeira trade: Neftali Feliz, Elivis Andrus, Matt Harrison, Salty and another prospect. Then yea I would do it. But like was mentioned above, you never know about prospects who’s gonna pan out and who’s the next Lastings Mildege.

by TheKid08 on Apr 23, 2011 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he can stay healthy

surely, he can be

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by sj10689 on Apr 23, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

His current WAR for 2011 extrapolates to 4.9 over the course of a full season

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by sj10689 on Apr 23, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

His current WAR projects to 7.1 fWAR assuming 150 games played.

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by Russ on Apr 24, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes he ism and he's currently on pace for a 6+ WAR season.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1736&position=SS

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by Russ on Apr 24, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is only one way to correctly deal with how the media is reporting the Mets:

Create a drinking game! Any rule suggestions?

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by Russ on Apr 22, 2011 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

there isn't enough alcohol

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Apr 22, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Water down the liquor, for your liver's sake.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 22, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's what I got

One drink for each of the following:

-Quote from anonymous rival exec/scout saying “Reyes isn’t Alderson’s type of player”
-Quote from anonymous rival exec/scout saying “Alderson won’t give Reyes a $100 million contract”
-Article overreacting to small samples
-Article suggesting the RISP numbers are actually a skill
-Article praising the Phillies for their attitude/clutchiness/grittyness or for “playing the game the right way”
-Article suggesting that the Mets should begin a “fire sale”
-Article about how the Mets have hit rock bottom
-Article hinting at a David Wright trade by using the exact phrase “no one should be untouchable”
-Article suggesting that Moneyball doesn’t work because the team is bad
-When a move the Alderson makes doesn’t work out and somebody writes a dumb article acting like they knew all along that it was a bad move
-Article predicting that this year’s team could be the worst in the league/worst in baseball history
-A writer suggests that the Mets should acquire David Eckstein (or similarly gritty/winning player)
-Suggestion that the Mets call up Jenrry Mejia/Matt Harvey or another top prospect before they are ready
-Article that mentions Ruben Tejada as the shortstop of the future or Jordany Valdespin as the second baseman of the future
-Article saying that the Mets need to build their offense around speed because of Citi Field
-Someone uses the phrase “The Mets find new ways to lose”
-Any mention of low attendance/ticket prices
-Every time someone asks one of the following questions of Alderson in an interview:

~“Is anyone on this team untouchable?”
~“Will the Madoff situation effect what moves you can make?”
~“Is Jose Reyes your type of player?” (bonus drink if Alderson mentions trading for Rickey Henderson in his answer)

by joma16 on Apr 22, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

You're all going to want to get on the transplant list now, BTW.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 22, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can only think of a handful of studs for prospects trades that were mutually beneficial.

Beckett for Hanley comes to mind.
But Cabrera for Maybin and Co. not so much.

So you never know.

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by sparbz on Apr 22, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Because it's owned by Rupert Murdoch.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 22, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

But so is the WSJ

And they’re pretty badass. They even give Dave Cameron print space.

by JaySchu on Apr 22, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he hasn't owned it that long.

But most of his media holdings seem to be sorely lacking in actual journalism. There’s been a huge shitstorm in the UK because it’s been discovered that The Sun had a long-standing policy of hacking people’s voicemail accounts. Potentially thousands of people got victimized, including members of the royal family.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 22, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, from what I understand he hasn't changed much

Most of his other media properties are basically mouthpieces for him, WSJ has mostly the same staff and writers as they did prior to the sale, probably because WSJ is worth so much because it had a decent rep for journalistic integrity and most people don’t take any of his other media properties seriously.

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by blueandorange4life on Apr 22, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're confused

Their news reporting is of national quality; their editorial page is hackish and widely derided.

by SuperT on Apr 23, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

It’s been that way for a long time, too. The difference between the two is huge; like Le Cirq for dinner, and Baskin Robbins for dessert.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 23, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Post was this way before Murdoch bought it

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by Russ on Apr 22, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So is the quibbling here

merely between “Fire Sale” and “White Flag Sale” label and if we’ve reached the white flag level yet?

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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 22, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Basically, yes.

I think it’s a worthy distinction, if only because the fire sale being clamored for is pointless. We might end up trading folks at some point, but it won’t be for its own sake or because the Mets hope to recoup pennies on the dollars for their original investments.

If everyone’s being jettisoned, the season’s over.

Jagr? Seriously?

by Matthew Artus on Apr 22, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Er.

The team is 7-13, has no one coming up from the minors to help, is extremely thin at every position and in the rotation in particular. The season’s not over in the sense that 142 games remain to be played, but other than that I’ve got some bad, bad news for you….

by Brian Singer on Apr 23, 2011 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one coming from the minors to help?

Sorry, but that’s just not true.

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by Steve Schreiber on Apr 23, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

No reinforcements on the way?

Here comes our savior Jason Pridie. :)

BTW, Joel Sherman’s earlier suggested trade for reyes looks real good: Homer Bailey and Zach Cozart. Uh, Cozart is 25 and batting .125/.194/.143 in AAA (“scouts concerned about how his bat would hold up against advanced competition appear to be proving correct”). Nice eye though, Zach.

by wobatus on Apr 22, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Zach Cozart

This proves that Joel Sherman is a maroon. There is NO WAY Alderson trades for an older version of Ruben Tejada.

by Dan Lewis on Apr 22, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see the rationale

instead of researching for 5 minutes Sherman probably thought: “wasn’t that homer bailey guy supposed to be good 7 years ago? Fuck, the Mets could get him for Reyes. Shit! I gotta put this in an article/tweet”

by nrmax88 on Apr 23, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone needs to give up on Homer Bailey

He’s lucky if he turns into a #3 starter. Not impressed by him.

by TheKid08 on Apr 23, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Homer Bailey is essentially Mike Pelfrey in a Reds uniform

They have intrinsically similar stats, and both wear #34. However, I believe Pelfrey still has a slight edge on the upside dept.

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