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Yankees 9, Mets 3: Seventh-Inning Meltdown Of Doom

This one looked pretty good for a while, but even as the Mets held a small lead over the Yankees for most of the game, the countless missed opportunities to pad that lead seemed increasingly likely to burn them in the end, which, of course, they did.

Curtis Granderson put the Yankees on the board in the bottom of the first with his sixteenth home run of the season, but the Mets fired back with three of their own in the top of the second. Jason Bay led off with a single and Fernando Martinez moved him to second with a single of his own. Justin Turner tapped a grounder to Ivan Nova, who had to settle for the out at first. Willie Harris then singled to center to score Bay from third, while Martinez could make it only to third after initially — and bafflingly — retreating to second before realizing that neither of the barely-in-frame middle infielders could make a play on the ball. Here's what that looked like:

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It didn't much matter in the end, as Martinez scored the go-ahead run on the very next play when Ronny Paulino bounced a ball to Nova, who had to settle for the out at first after his bobble cost him an opportunity for a double play. Jason Pridie gave the Mets a 3-1 lead with a soft liner past Robinson Cano which scored Harris from second

Little changed over the next five innings, as Nova and Mike Pelfrey each repeatedly pitched into and then out of trouble. The Mets had the bulk of the scoring chances — they had runners in scoring position in the third, fourth, and sixth innings — but came up empty each time.

Star-divide

In the bottom of the seventh, Brett Gardner led off with a single through Pelfrey into center and Chris Dickerson followed with a five-pitch walk to put two on with none out. Pelfrey's next pitch struck a squaring-to-bunt Francisco Cervelli in the left shoulder, narrowly missing the batter's head and loading the bases for Derek Jeter. Tim Byrdak was ready and waiting in the bullpen, but Terry Collins stuck with his clearly laboring starter, a debatable but defensible decision — the lefty Byrdak facing the righty Jeter wasn't obviously preferable.

Jeter turned Pelfrey's next pitch into a many-hop single up the middle which barely escaped Jose Reyes's glove, scoring Gardner and Dickerson to tie the game at three. Curtis Granderson inexplicably bunted Cervelli to third and Jeter to first, and after Byrdak intentionally walked Mark Teixira to load the bases again, Collins called on Pedro Beato to come on and face Alex Rodriguez. Rodriguez feebly tapped Beato's first pitch down the third base line, leaving "third baseman" Willie Harris without a play and putting the Yankees ahead 4-3.

Robinson Cano continued the hit parade with a single to right which plated Jeter with the Yankees' fifth run and fourth of the inning. Beato struck Jorge Posada out on a questionable strike-three call, then Pat Misch came on to face Brett Gardner with the bases still loaded and the Mets teetering on the brink of total collapse. Misch quickly got ahead 0-2, but Gardner took the third pitch for a ball and hit the fourth pitch into left field for a two-run double, running the score to 7-3. Dickerson officially put us all out of our misery — i.e., we could officially stop watching with any pretense that a Mets victory was in the offing — by stroking a 2-2 single to left to give the Yankees an insurmountable 9-3 lead.

Things might have turned out even worse, as Willie Harris botched a Cervelli grounder to put runners on first and second. Jeter smashed a 1-0 grounder to Justin Turner at second, who struggled to corral the ball before finally firing to first to nail Jeter by a negative half-step. Indeed, the Yankees and the officiating crew may have conspired to keep this game as close as it was. The three outs recorded were:

  1. A sacrifice bunt by Granderson.
  2. The strike-three call on Posada which was caught at his ankles and may or may not have crossed the plate.

    Posada_strike_three_call

  3. A too-close-to-call ground out by Jeter which turned out to be the incorrect call.

    Derek_jeter_safe_medium

BOTTOM OF THE 7TH BY THE NUMBERS

Runs: 8
Batters: 13
Hits: 5
Singles: 4
Doubles: 1
Pitching change: 3
Pitches: 39
Time elapsed: 30 minutes

The understandably demoralized Mets went 1-2-3-4-5-6 in the eighth and ninth innings to wrap up another Yankee Stadium series loss.

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Win Probability Added

Big winners: Willie Harris, +10.9% WPA, Jason Pridie, +8.4% WPA
Big losers: Mike Pelfrey, -18.1% WPA, Jose Reyes, -14.9% WPA, Pedro Beato, -14.9% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Pridie RBI single in second, +8.3% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Jeter two-run single in seventh, -18.6% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: -44.2% WPA
Total batter WPA: -5.8% WPA
GWRBI!: Alex Rodriguez

Game Thread Roll Call

Nice job by MetsFan4Decades; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.

Num Name # of Posts
1 MetsFan4Decades 125
2 freakystyley 120
3 blueandorange4life 118
4 letsgomets31 107
5 KeithsMoustache 99
6 the maroon bird 99
7 CTRefJay 77
8 fxcarden 62
9 Kepler 52
10 Syler 49

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I'm done with nursing Pelf's confidence level.

Collins knows the lineup is anemic right now.
He knows Pelf’s tendency to lose it if it goes south.

He should have been pulled after the walk.
He definitely should have been pulled after the beaning.

I mean, do we want to win ballgames or not?

by MetsFan4Decades on May 22, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I've come to the conclusion weeks ago

that Collins is a terrible manager. His usage of pinch hitters, his usage of the bullpen and his propensity for early bunts are all just flat out terrible. I realize he’s a placeholder while this year shakes itself out, but he’s been costing them games on his own, and lots of them. It’s mid-May and they could easily be a few games over .500 with someone else at the helm instead of two-under.

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by Cory Braiterman on May 22, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did anyone else find it ironic

that after starting the inning with Pelf, he stuck with him through the 3 batters to load the bases, but then he used 3 other BP arms to get out of the inning? Why? The damage was just about done with the bases loaded no outs performance by Pelf.

To me, it was all about tweaking Pelf’s confidence level and not much else.

I’m back to asking my original question: Do we want to win ballgames or not?

by MetsFan4Decades on May 22, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

winz are false hustle

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by Cory Braiterman on May 22, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last question first...

NO.

as for the rest, you said what I ranted about before leaving the game thread, only better.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am so sick of blaming the manager for this team's woes.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on May 22, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

people are blaming the manager for fucking up in the 7th inning

Everyone here realizes that long-term, no manager can win with this crew. That said, when we have a rare chance to win late in the game, and get killed because the manager was too timid to have the bullpen ready, it is hard to take. With Pelfrey involved. IMO, this should have been “thanks for getting us this far, now we have a game to win, go sit down”.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Believe me, I think Collins is a moron and I don't like him.

I just can’t get too upset over the way he handled Pelfrey today.

Maybe he should have pulled him after Dickerson, but I can understand his thinking in leaving him in. Cervelli sucks and was preparing to bunt, and Jeter is hitting 67.5% of his balls on the ground, and Pelfrey managed to get a groundball from him.

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The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on May 22, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen "terrible" over the last two years and

TC is not terrible. I agree that Pelfrey should have been pulled early in the inning … I was yelling at the radio myself for that to happen. But TC has been pretty good so far this year – this call and others notwithstanding – keeping us near .500 given the injuries we’ve sustained.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

"Who has more fun than people?"

- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on May 22, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few of Collins' questionable decisions have cost us a few games, to begin with.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 22, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone here has seen terrible over the last 6+ seasons, not just you.

Collins may be better than the last three managers we’ve had, but he still sucks. I still can’t figure out why managers can’t get simple lineup construction correct.

I disagree that Collins is helping this team win games.

Kicking knowledge in the face.

by BlackOps on May 22, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every manager sucks

You could bring God in to manage the Mets. He’ll still send up the wrong pinch hitter; make the wrong BP call; make the wrong steal call; and/or the wrong bunt call.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

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- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on May 22, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

TRAID GOD !!!!

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll complain about him too

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

"Who has more fun than people?"

- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on May 22, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

"Who has more fun than people?"

- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on May 22, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is true

and also why we should hire a computer to do the job for the humans.

Kicking knowledge in the face.

by BlackOps on May 22, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Black Hole for centerfield.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 22, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's racist

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 23, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Latino hole?

White hole?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 23, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Black Mole fro RF.

In lobby for: Jaime Cevallos, Zack Lutz, orange unis and Rickroll as the 7th inning song.
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by Michkin on May 23, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Pelfrey’s body language during the Dickerson at-bat was screaming for a pitching change a Terry should have taken him out of game immediately.

by alexSVK on May 22, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screw body language

his control was doing all the screaming anyone should need to hear.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on May 22, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly this

thank God I am physically nowhere close to Collins right now…..otherwise

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

long time lurker, first time poster

i disagree with Collins as much as the next guy, but it’s hard to blame him here. Cervelli was going to bunt and everyone knew it; why not leave Pelf in? Pelf beaned the guy trying to give him an out, that’s not on Terry. Now, he should’ve been pulled after that but he did manage to get the groundball from Jeter…just in the wrong spot.

by theamato on May 22, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is on Terry is the fact that he let a guy pitch

who has a long history of implosions. If Terry wanted to help Pelf’s confidence he should have gone to the mound, tell him “good job, we got this”, and use all his weapons to get a win.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, that's right

but, you would have thought that every else that happened that inning would end up happening. You can’t put the whole inning on TC.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

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- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on May 22, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is my prayer:

MIke gets very hot, wins 5 or 6 straight. He stops licking himself like a cat. And (God forgive me)—some team loses a valuable pitcher to injury in the mix but about to fall out of it comes to the mets in desperation. Because they canot wait til the trade deadline, at which time there will be better candidates available. I have decided that Pelf is mediocre at best, and the kind of exasperation he causes is not worth it. Pelf is just another eight in a house of cards..

by jdon on May 23, 2011 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

P.S.

I hereby declare that the word “upside” will never appear in another sentence that I post about Pelfrey.

by jdon on May 23, 2011 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I only saw through the the top of the 4th

but I did not get a good feeling from that. A bigger cushion is needed against the Yankees in a little league park, and we were leaving so many on base

by Shevshevy on May 22, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Once Pelf walked Dickerson that should have been it

Beato was warming alongside Brydak, so he could have, and should have been in to face Captain ground ball. Pelfrey really lost his cool after he couldn’t get Gardner’s grounder. Pelf is as bad as a fielding pitcher as you’ll see. I hope this is his last year here. He is a backend of the rotation guy, and won;t be worth the money he’ll get in arbitration. Nova was pretty terrible and for him to last nearly seven innings is pretty damn sad. The offense screwed the pooch before Pelf did. Collins as has been said manages a lot like Jerry does but at least he doesn’t throw his players under the bus. We’ve seen an inning like the seventh inning way too many times against the Yanks and Phils.

by graves9 on May 22, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll be honest

I realistically didn’t expect more than 1-2 this weekend in the Bronx. That being said however, losing two after having a lead in both, blows.

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by Blame-everyone-else on May 22, 2011 4:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Is it too late to trade Pelfrey ?

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on May 22, 2011 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

yes

we are stuck

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, someone would definitely take him off our hands

Bay on the other hand…

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on May 22, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

we are stuck meaning....

who are we going to replace him with NOW ?

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had more trade value in the offseason

if Johan was healthy I could have seen Alderon trading him in at the winter meetings.

by graves9 on May 22, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to make the team crappier, trading Pelfrey is a good idea

If you don’t, then you don’t trade him. Instead, you trade him next season, when he has another 3.0 WAR season.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 22, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh...was listening to this one via WFAN and Lame Hagin.

I was for keeping Pelf in to start the inning and even leaving him in after the first hit, but once he walked Dickerson, Collins had to give him the hook. I’m all for building confidence and for letting your starters go as deep into the game as they can, but a 5 pitch walk to a nobody told me immediately that he was done and the HBP made it that much more obvious.

That’s a tough one to lose. You don’t like to see it get that out of hand, even if they were just dinking and dunking balls in for runs.

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by Steve Schreiber on May 22, 2011 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Anemic offense

Has everyone in this line up graduated from the Luis Castillo school of hitting>

by bob c on May 22, 2011 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

why do you assume they graduated

i’d say they flunked out sophomore year

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by itsmetsforme on May 22, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tough way to lose, but I didn't expect series win in Bronx

Just take two from the Flubbies and get back home

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by Syler on May 22, 2011 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Things Collins did that I didn't get:

1: Going with Pelfrey in the 7th (or at least going with him after the 1st guy got on let alone after the Dickerson walk).
2: Misch? You’re still close, why bring in you worst bullpen arm there? Why not Buccholz, Izzy, or even Krod?

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on May 22, 2011 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

He’s pitched well and was very impressive Friday night. Misch isn’t all that good vs lefties.

by graves9 on May 22, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

The point is that Misch is probably the last guy in the pen you should use there.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on May 22, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wright seeing another doc

 Wright flying to LA tomorrow for round 4 of back exam – meeting with Dr. Robert Watkins. Hopefully they’re just doing their due diligence and his back injury isn’t getting worse.

by graves9 on May 22, 2011 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

oh yeah baby. because when your back hurts

the best thing you can do is fly cross-country

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You got me there

I forgot that Omar isn’t in charge.

by graves9 on May 22, 2011 6:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If Omar was in charge, he'd made Wright drive cross country.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 22, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cross country cab ride

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by Russ on May 22, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put the guy out of his misery now.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 22, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, it's a stress-fracture

is a flight going to hurt it?

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on May 22, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

how do you know it won't ....

back spams ?.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

TRAID WRONGZ

he doesn't know how sleep

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flying him to LA is pretty dumb

a flight is pretty bad when you have a bad back. There’s no good back experts in the entire East Coast? I actually think chiropractors are better than doctors when it comes to the back. Just from personal back problems I’ve had, of course, but backs need to be treated with therapy and stretching, not medication or anti-inflammatories.

by David G on May 23, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

You'd rather him go to a chiropractor

who isn’t a doctor, then sit on a plane?

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on May 23, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, and by a long shot

first, the food sucks.

second, there is no turbulence on the ground, and no changes of pressure.

third….have you see stewardesses lately ?……..they ugly.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 23, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ask KM, but wouldn't being in a plane be better for his back?

You know, higher up in the air, meaning gravity’s pull is that much weaker, meaning less stress on his lower back from gravity…?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 23, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL ... you're on a roll tonight

But you can’t make this shit up.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

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by The Glider on May 22, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

*who

not “you” … no goddamn edit button.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

"Who has more fun than people?"

- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on May 22, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'd be trading low

we aren’t likely going anywhere so might as well hang on to him and hope he can put together a nice month in June or July.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on May 22, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

... we'll be waiting an eternity

Getting rid of Pelf is additional by subtraction. Just let’s get what we can get for him and be done.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

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- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on May 22, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never liked him

Besides, who wants “decent” from somebody who is supposed to a No. 2 stud?

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

"Who has more fun than people?"

- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on May 22, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Supposed to be a No. 2 stud?

He was a top prospect, yes, but it’s not like he’s getting paid 15 million a year, he’s not even making 4 million a year and he’s been worth well over 4 million each year of his career. He’s not a star, but he’s not a scrub either, he’s average. Selling him now wouldn’t yield a worthwhile return so there’s no reason to trade him.

by Evan_S on May 22, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd suggest you read

this, this, and this. And this.

I’m sure you have, so take them to heart.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 22, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he was supposed to be a stud

way back in 2005 when he was drafted. Those expectations have been revised many times since. It’s pretty unrealistic at this point to think that a realistic expectation for his career is “#2 stud” when he’s put up sub-par K rates and mediocre groundball rates for 3+ seasons now. He is what he is, unless he develops some offspeed stuff that can make people swing and miss with some semblance of regularity. Until then, he’s a guy who pitches to contact and depends almost solely on luck and getting a decent amount of groundballs to succeed.

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by Steve Schreiber on May 22, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

p.s.

so you want to keep him?

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by The Glider on May 22, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Trade him next season, when he has another 3.0 WAR season, and is in his final year of being cheap.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 22, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 22, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeter's hit

should not have gotten through. Why weren’t the middle infielders shading up the middle there? Jeter always goes up the middle. Poor positioning there imo.

by David G on May 22, 2011 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

TRAID RAY-ASS

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pelfrey should have had it

according to Lame Hagin.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

"Who has more fun than people?"

- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on May 22, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could've easily gotten out of the 7th inning

All those hits were placed perfectly. It’s not like they were hitting rockets against him. Pelf is making strides from the begining of the season. Which is a good sign.

by TheKid08 on May 22, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully they rid themselves of suckitude

So I see them beat the Yankees at citi field later this year

by the maroon bird on May 22, 2011 6:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Hopefully we won't be fielding a AAA lineup by then.

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by Syler on May 22, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

AA ?

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be the guy who drops the easy pop-up at second base

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 22, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be the aging star with the bad

(various parts of the skeletal system).

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I claim the guy who sucks but bitches about how unfairly he's treated

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

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by Syler on May 22, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be Ginger

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

"Who has more fun than people?"

- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on May 22, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'll be the smart-ass beat writer who

gets accused of lobby for a job in player development.

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by Steve Schreiber on May 22, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just a humble motherfucker

with a big dick, and I’m not that humble.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on May 22, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be Oliver Perez, except I'm right-handed and an actual team player

by this I mean, I suck at baseball—hah!

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on May 23, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing i moved from Jersey to Florida

Because I dnt think I could live with hearing all the yankee fans at school talking about this abomination. Collins mde some incredibly poor decisions but all in all I think had he pulled pelf b4 the 7th we might’ve pulld this one out. But hey, now we’re only 2 behind .500 and we got the pirates coming up next. Sucky loss but we still gotta whole season 2 go. LGM!

#signreyesNOW!

Our pitcher who art in Flushing, perfect be thy game,
Thy strikeouts come, thy walks be none,
away as it is at home. Give us this day our daily win,
and forgive us our fielding errors, for we have sorta forgiven Castillo for his error against the Yanks.
Lead us not into frustration, and deliver us from jams,
For thine is the knuckleball, fastball, and change;
Forever and ever, (R.A.)men

by The Talented Mr. Dickey on May 22, 2011 6:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

This isn't a txt message.

Please use regular words unless it’s something like “IMO” or “wrt”.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on May 22, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG

U R so mean 2 everybody.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

but, but Shrek changed, right?

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on May 23, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had layers

Does our Ogre have layers? I don’t know.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 23, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha. true enough

I am proud to say I saw the sequels for “free” on tv. Traid the Sequels!

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on May 23, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

it does say he posted via mobile, so perhaps that’s the reason for all the shorthand.

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by Steve Schreiber on May 22, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

my phone's keyboard is jcked up

But I understnd your frustration my good sir

#signreyesNOW!

Our pitcher who art in Flushing, perfect be thy game,
Thy strikeouts come, thy walks be none,
away as it is at home. Give us this day our daily win,
and forgive us our fielding errors, for we have sorta forgiven Castillo for his error against the Yanks.
Lead us not into frustration, and deliver us from jams,
For thine is the knuckleball, fastball, and change;
Forever and ever, (R.A.)men

by The Talented Mr. Dickey on May 22, 2011 7:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Understandable.

And apologies if I came off too strong.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on May 22, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's "wrt"?

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

"Who has more fun than people?"

- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on May 22, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

"With regards to"

I try to avoid using the acronym but sometimes it helps to save some space.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on May 22, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, I hear we lost, eh?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 22, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

it was more like

we lost, fuck ?.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah. With this game, that 'fuck' needs an exclaimation point.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 22, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

very well, then

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on May 22, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pelfrey has maxed out his worth

Even IF he gets on a FREAK tear like he did the first 9-1 start last year, do any of you REALLY think his worth will go up THAT much?

Do you think that is REALLY going to fool professional major league scouts? No.

Why do I say this? Because I SAT BEHIND the scouts behind home plate at the Rockies game and I discussed this with them, and they said the SAME EXACT thing as the “Nay-sayers” that are catching flack here for saying he’s a mental midget.

He has NOWHERE to go but down ladies and gentlemen, and frankly, the best thing for HIM and the TEAM is to send him elsewhere. Maybe “the Big City” is too much to handle for him, whatever the case, he will NEVER reach the potential he was supposed to hit. <—Again, STRAIGHT from the horses mouth of PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL SCOUTS for MULTIPLE teams (bastards were there to check out Reyes by the way… I’m not proud of what I offered to do to them if they let him stay in New York, but if Reyes signs back with the team, everyone owes me 10 bucks and a bottle of Listerine…)

by sempermets on May 22, 2011 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

You should read

this, this, and this. Oh, and this.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 22, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

#BlameBDMF

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 23, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well played Shea...

And Ogre, please do not place me in the league as THOSE people (see what I did there?) I understand I brought it upon myself thought.

The purpose of that post was to say what is apparently going around the league. One can argue the plausibility of him being a “head case” all one wants, the fact remains that that is apparently the word going around those who judge talent and worth.

Getting rid of him even if he turns out a freak string like last year won’t get any player(s) of note, so since we’re not going to get anything for Pelf if he goes, and the chances of him developing past a steady number 3 starter are slim to none, we might as well keep him, who knows, perhaps he’s struggling only because we treat him as if he is a number 1 pitcher; not a number 3 pitcher filling a 2 and 1 pitchers’ spot.

Hell, if the Mets wind up getting a number 2 pitcher, and Johan comes back just as strong as he was before injury, there are teams out there far worse than the Mets in the pitcher category.

by sempermets on May 22, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That being said...

I’m Pro-Pelfrey, and still root for him like CRAZY, but it seems even in his wins they are SHAKY at best (observe the 1st six innings where the Yankees stranded runners on base EVERY INNING).

It just seems that what he will bring will never match what he was supposed to BE, so rather than let him keep blacking out on the mound, send him somewhere else. Hell, with our luck, maybe he’ll reach his potential?

by sempermets on May 22, 2011 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Pelfrey was stupidly rushed up in 06-07

If he would have been allowed to properly develop, he migh be a lot better pitcher. Who knows maybe he might have developed some good secondary pitches in the minors.

by graves9 on May 22, 2011 8:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This to a point

You would kind of hope he’d progress a bit more with his offspeed pitches in the majors, but I do agree…it’s probably best to work on that stuff in the minors without the pressure of having to get big league hitters out. That’s why I’m glad with how they’re treating Matt Harvey. DePo specifically said that he’d been mainly dominating A+ ball on the strength of his fastball (like Pelfrey did back in 2006) and still had some things with his secondary stuff to work out before he gets promoted to Bingo and that’s the way to play it. It’s less about numbers than process.

Who woulda thunk it…the numbers guys in charge now understand this better than the old school baseball guys who ran the organization previously did.

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by Steve Schreiber on May 23, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

But DePo has his head in his laptop!

Sidenote: This kind of things is a good example of why I understand DePo not wanting his name to appear in the Moneyball movie. He was already characterized in the book, I can see why he doesn’t want a characterization of a characterization with his name.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on May 23, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm reading Moneyball now, and I sabergasm ever time I realize he's with us now.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 23, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I should read it again.

The first time through I got side tracked and read other things, then went back and read bits an pieces. The Complete Sherlock Holmes takes forever to read when you have a computer, though.

by Shevshevy on May 23, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I just finished that part, and Twittered about it.

I could smell Omar’s confusion in the ink.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 23, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

The dude had no idea.

No idea at all.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on May 23, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

more than willing to give TC a chance, but he really makes no sense when it comes to running the offense. reyes is leading the league in hits, and how many times has he stood at first base. i can count on both hands the number of times it was prime time for a hit-and-run, 2-1, 3-1 counts, slow pitchers, poor throwing catchers, etc. etc. etc. i actually think he’s handling the starters much better than randolph/manuel, but offensively he’s clueless.

Shoot the puck Barry!!!

by dsteak on May 22, 2011 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Do the Cardinals need a pitcher?

Because I can see Duncan taking Pelf under his wing and making something out of him. Do they have a young arm or two in their system that they would be willing to trade? Heck, if I were Boras I’d demand a trade to St. Louis.

by keepcoolbutcare on May 22, 2011 11:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I'd gladly take Shelby Miller off their hands.........

but really, I’m not sure who else they have other than Miller who’s an absolute stud and who they likely wouldn’t want to deal even for David Wright let alone Pelfrey.

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by Steve Schreiber on May 23, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Miller + Rasumus

now that would be sweet!

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on May 23, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dave Duncan would make Mike Pelfrey Joel Piniero 2.0

with the groundballs.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 23, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Warthen, Burkhardt, and Dave Racinello for Duncan?

I’ll miss Rac, but…

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 23, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

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