Why Oh Why Wilpon Applesauce - Freddy opens his mouth, Mets get insulted, Familia gets praise
Meet the Mets
I haven't read the article yet, but Jeffrey Toobin has a headline-grabbing feature story in the New Yorker on Met owner Fred Wilpon. From what I gather, Freddy seems to be listening to a little too much WFAN, and not reading enough Amazin' Avenue. As Metstradamus says, it's one thing to be honest, it's a whole other thing to be this dumb. So, I'm sure we're going to have a lot to look forward to in this article's aftermath.
Good job by the bullpen yesterday.
Ike Davis's rehabilitation from his ankle injury is going slower than anticipated and he has not yet begun running.
Jeurys Familia got a lot of attention over the weekend, including a glowing mention in the Baseball America Prospect Hot Sheet and an even rarer bit of good attention at the New York Post. Keep it up.
Brad Holt, on the other hand, looks to be reverting back to his 2010 disaster form.
Anthony McCarron catches up with former Met outfielder George Theodore and talks with him about the major outfield collision that sidetracked his career.
Around MLB
While Fred Wilpon is getting featured in the New Yorker, the Phillies' smug GM Ruben Amaro landed himself a story in the South Jersey Magazine. All I have to say is this. Meanwhile, he keeps showing his genius with player acquisitions, this time landing Scott Podsednik.
Injuries abound elsewhere in the division. Jason Heyward lands on the DL with Tim Hudson missing a start too and Josh Johnson will take a breather on the DL as well.
The Phillies, on the other hand, are starting to get healthy. Chase Utley is set to return soon.
Possible good news out of LA, as the police there have arrested a suspect in the Bryan Stow assault case.
Jose Bautista is starting to get mentioned alongside Babe Ruth. That's when you know you're going well.
Congratulations to Orlando Cabrera for having become a U.S. citizen over the weekend. I'm guessing Orlando now knows more about U.S. history than 90% of his natural-born new countrymen.
Interesting little story on Randy Savage Poffo'sminor league baseball career.
And, finally, Scott Kazmir's career might not be totally finished; there's always the bullpen.
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I can't believe Wilpon said these things
Why would you totally blow up Jose’s spot like that? And why go out of your way to say Beltran isn’t worth the money that YOU decided to pay him?
We clearly have the dumbest owners in baseball. It isn’t even close.
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
by metsman07 on May 23, 2011 8:56 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
F-- you Wilpon you lame piece of idiot crap
SELL THIS FRANCHISE if you don’t give a crap. you suck and you’re so stupid when it comes to business and money GO AWAY NOW.
GO AWAY.
sorry for the potty mouth, but they deserve it.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on May 23, 2011 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Careful
lame piece of idiot crap
This is a family site
apologize ...can't they delete the posts?
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on May 23, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Sarcasm.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on May 23, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Reyes: “Won’t get Crawford money. He’s had everything wrong with him”
Wright: “Not a superstar”
Beltran: "Dummy to pay him based on “04 Houston series. He’s 65 to 70 percent of what he was”
Then he does a pantomime of Beltran strike 3 on "06.
Just wow.
I flipped when I read this on rotoworld news. there's never been an owner of sports team
I hate more.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
Has there been a dumber owner?
I thought Al Davis was a lunatic but the Wilpons have made him look like Einstein.
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$100 to CARE per No-No and $1 per David Wright Homer.
by ScottfromPeekskill on May 23, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll read the article later
Work and all. :-)
But still, is anyone surprised that Wilpon runs things according to how Sal from Bay Ridge on the FAN wants it? I’ve long suspected he does this, and it’s also, I suspect, why the team has been a paragon of mediocrity since Nelson Doubleday left the picture. I’ll never forget that it was Doubleday who ordered the Piazza acquisition (arguably the greatest trade in Mets history, although Neil Allen for Keith Hernandez might be better) while Wilpon hesitated.
Mark Cuban for owner! Save us from the Wilpons!
true enough. I guess I'll become a Rays' fan now.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on May 23, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
This Wilpon stuff is from The Onion, right?
by Jamesir Bensonmum on May 23, 2011 9:07 AM EDT reply actions
wtf
Was a defender of the guy until this. Please sell the team.
by brooklynberger on May 23, 2011 9:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, me too.
Most of the stuff before this seemed to be speculation on his character, but this is just pure idiocy. Sell please.
Fred has to be "Mr. Bigshot"
He doesn’t know when to shut his trap.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
by Russ on May 23, 2011 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure
that future FAs will love coming to a team where the owner rambles like an idiot about how bad they are.
by ritzdeez on May 23, 2011 9:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It never stopped them from signing with the Yankees
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Silver lining
We’ll see more homegrown players coming up, like it or not, good or crappy players.
Or, we’ll go Bay-style and overpay them to come here instead of Beirut.
In lobby for: Jaime Cevallos, Zack Lutz, orange unis and Rickroll as the 7th inning song.
The Unwritten Rules of AA
Just read the whole article.....
and the ending made me laugh….
In the game against the Astros, the Mets clawed back to a 3–3 tie, but the visitors added a run in the eighth. With the Mets down, 4–3, in the bottom of the ninth, Jose Reyes led off with a single, his fourth hit of the game. The crowd of remaining diehards—attendance was announced, generously, at 27,380—focussed on the Mets’ speedster dancing off first base.
To build a run and tie the game, the Mets would do one of two things: either Reyes would try to steal second base or Josh Thole, the Met catcher, would try to move him along with a sacrifice bunt. But which one? Wilpon didn’t need to consult a scorecard to review the options and give his view. "Jose has two stolen bases tonight already," he said. "And Thole throws right but hits lefty. With a lefty, it’s harder for the catcher to throw to second. I’d have him steal. We’ve had three blown bunts already tonight. I don’t like bunt here."
Thole squared to bunt, and Reyes dashed toward second. Thole’s jab at the ball resulted in a meek line drive toward the pitcher, who caught it and fired to first base for an easy double play. Wright flied to right field for the game’s final out. "Not a good ending," Wilpon said.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
Also, via Metsblog....
The New Yorker author, Jeffrey Toobin, just talked with WFAN and said:
* He met five different times with Fred Wilpon.
* Talking with Wilpon was like sitting with another Mets fan, ‘The views he expressed are very common among Mets fans."
* The Mets have been VERY frustrated with how they’ve been portrayed by the media, in regards to the Madoff story.
* After spending time with Fred and the team, he believes that in all likelihood they will try to re-sign Reyes and keep David Wright, but, after that, "there will be a huge house cleaning."
* "If the they lose this lawsuit, they will have to sell the Mets."
* The Mets will bring in a minority shareholder at some point this summer.
* "Fred is a stand-up guy," "I don’t think he’s going to deny these statements."
* They are betting the team on Sandy Alderson.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
Puts sort of a different slant
on the story, doesn’t it?
by MetsFan4Decades on May 23, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
It sure does
My takeaway from this is that the Mets will attempt to keep Reyes and Wright. Get rid of most of the other big contracts like Bay, Beltran (who is expiring after this season,) and K-Rod.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
There is no possible way to get rid of the Bay contract
And K-Rod is performing.
And there’s the rub – he calls out his heroes, he’s such a stupid fuck, when the problem lies all around them.
by SuperT on May 23, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
There is one possible way to get rid of Bay
He needs to start producing like the 2009 Jason Bay, and a team needs to be desperate close to the trade deadline.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
That possibility gets smaller
everyday Bay continues to flail at pitches on the outside corner of the plate that he can’t reach.
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on May 23, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
That is unfortunately true
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
yes, it does
and IMO, this seems a lot closer to the truth, than all the spin they are giving in on the radio. I was listening to MLB on XM on my way into work, and Dibble and his partner were all over it, and they were actually corrected by their own people in DC. At one point Dibble was saying that the “schmuck” thing was about Fred driving the bus over Omar’s head. I don’t know but as soon as I heard it, even quoted out of context, it was clear that Fred was making fun of himself.
Another day in Mets fandom. Thank God it’s a day off.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
Oh yeah, I'm sure they'll have no problem getting Wright and Reyes to re-up now.
Fucking assclown.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on May 23, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
From Calcaterra's story:
About how they only got really successful once they were owners of a team: “As Katz told me, ‘You take the chairman of the board of a bank, with his grandson, on the field to meet David Wright, and make that grandfather a hero, and you do business the way we do business, it opens up everything.’”
So despicable, asking people to participate in furthering your business interests, and then talking shit about them in the way they care most about. Man, this is low, low, low. If any of the players had any illusions about basic decency in the world they occupy (I don’t really think they do), they should be gone now. People love to criticize players saying, when they take the biggest pile of money, “it’s just business.” Yes, it is. Take everything you can get out of these motherfuckers.
So....
….die hard Mets fans come on this site every day (I read all this site daily, and don’t post much, but I’m in amazement over the knowledge and passion you all put forth on a daily basis here), live or die by this team, defend our favorite players to the death.
We beg the baseball gods to let us watch one of the most talented players this team has ever had for 5 more years, and plead with the front office that if we have to trade another STAR, that we get something amazing in return, because just watching him swing the bat is like looking at fine art in a museum.
We buy shirts and hats, go to games, defend this team to the end. We bleed orange and blue.
And then Wilpon says those things???
Go to hell, Fred. I guess you don’t “love” this team as much as you say you do.
But I can assure you, every single comment you hear or read about how fake, phony, or full of s**t you are, those are for real. And unlike you or your son, we know what we are talking about when it comes to the Mets.
Proud to root for the Jets, Mets, and Islanders!!!
by CharlieIsles on May 23, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Funny thing is
NYTimes paints the whole thing as positive. Last para:
“For fans, winning owners are easily the best kind. But owners who empathize with their feelings probably come in second.”
I don’t think Tyler Kepner gets the distinction between fans and wFANs.
these quotes are unbelievable
“He thinks he’s going to get Carl Crawford money,” Wilpon told The New Yorker. “He’s had everything wrong with him. He won’t get it.”
unreal.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
I've supported this idiot through this whole Madoff debacle.
Screw you Fred. Go away. Sell the team and go away. It’s clear you don’t know shit about dick and have allowed your team to be run into the ground, and now you blame your three good players? fuck off
I believe in one Dickey, Maker of knuckles and balls
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on May 23, 2011 9:45 AM EDT reply actions
This is a family site
Please don’t say “Wilpon”.
TerryStopBunting#54
TerryStopBunting#54
by Ownbey4Mex on May 23, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Rec for the clever comment...
but he didn’t say “Wilpon”
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
Well, I guess there's just one thing left to do
Win the whole fuckin’ thing.
by dontstopbelieving on May 23, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 11 recs
Alright, let's win some games so we can peel the clothes off Freddy!
by Jamesir Bensonmum on May 23, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm dating a member of the Wilpon family
Would a cardboard cutout of her suffice?
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Instead of peeling the clothes of a really old male wilpon
we can peel the clothes off of a really hot young female member of the wilpon family.
it was a joke though, she probably wouldn’t go for it. probably.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Its a small world after all
Well, try to subtly infuse sense into the fam. Try leaving copies of the AA annual on a coffee table, or leaving random copies of the Bill James Handbook around the house.
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by Coolpapabell on May 23, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No no it has to be reverse
They start with a naked picture of Fred and put an article of clothing after each win. That would be more movtiating.
Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.
I have been a fan of this team for 27 years
And I’m seriously re-thinking my commitment to this team knowing that this idiot is in charge. He sound like your typical nutball calling into the FAN.
Go to hell Freddy. And fuck you.
by dcmetsfan on May 23, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm having a fandom crisis right now
Anyone think the Angels or Blue Jays have room on their bandwagons?! haha
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
I don't think I could root for another team
This is the kind of crap that would just force me to stop watching baseball entirely.
Maybe I’m guilty of over-reaction, but I’m really steamed. There are no people less responsible for the mess this franchise is in than Reyes, Wright and Beltran.
Same
Only silver lining is that if Picard goes after them hard enough, stuff like this could push Selig away from their corner. The only reason that they’re not in a McCourt-type situation is that Selig and Fred are buddies. Not that I consider Selig a man of principle, but even he has to realize that having an owner say stuff like that about his own team, in a major media market, is bad for baseball.
by dontstopbelieving on May 23, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
It's terrible for baseball
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
I love baseball
And I love the Mets, my whole family loves the Mets. This is really tough though. As a fan, I feel a sense of betrayal (I know that’s pushing it, but in the context of baseball is that it’s certainly true).
I think it might be time to move on though, especially if they don’t sell soon though. It’s just sad.
"Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!"
Same, too.
I lived through M. Donald Grant. This is small potatoes in comparison.
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!? Right here: http://myentireteam.wordpress.com/
Couldnt do it
root for another ML team that is…the real question is can I handle the PING of college baseball?
I could, but I would have to live elsewhere.
and it would have to be a team worth the time.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
Hate the owner, not the team
That’s my plan.
Although there is a part of me that wishes I was still doing consulting work in Cleveland, given the season the Indians are having. It would be fun to go to some of their games.
Mark Cuban for owner! Save us from the Wilpons!
by Greenpoint Ian on May 23, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Wilpon must be feeling tremendous pressure.
Obviously not the brightest guy on earth, but not this stupid either. People on the edge either rise to the occasion or fall. Wilpon’s empire is crumbling and he’s losing it.
by sebastiandeluded on May 23, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
If the goal of the article
was to show that Fred wasn’t invoolved in Madoff’s scheme, mission accomplished – because he’s now firmly on one side of the “either complicit or really dumb” question.
by dontstopbelieving on May 23, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
This most likely was why he did the interview – show people he’s not a bad guy, that he wasn’t and couldn’t have been involved in the Ponzi scheme. Well, Fred, mission half-accomplished: we all now think you’re too f*$&#@& stupid to have possibly committed the largest fraud in history. Happy now?
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on May 23, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I begin to think Picard might be secretly a long-suffering Mets fan
I haven’t been following the suit closely enough to judge anything, but this is from a Daily News article:
“‘Norman Levy was a co-conspirator (of Madoff’s),” Chaitman said. “Picower was a co-conspirator. And yet Picard only went after their earnings and gave them sweetheart deals. With (the Mets’ owners) he is coming after earnings and principal. It’s totally irrational. I don’t know why he has such a vendetta against people who were not co-conspirators.’”
lol.. Because he hates them. As we all do. Rightly, apparently.
Its nothing I might not say
but you expect so much more from the owner. You can not run an organization like that. He is putting a hole is his own pocket.
So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.
The picture in the NYer article
Anyone else think Jose’s elbow is a little too close to Wilpon’s junk?
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
I read the entire article
to get a better idea of where this guy was slanting this article towards.
Can’t help but get the impression some of these comments were printed out of context.
Be that as it may though, as owner of the NY Mets you ought to know better who you should and should not be making these type of comments to.
I hate to throw this out there because I’m a big proponent against age discrimination and all but you have to wonder if between his age and his isolation all these years as a ‘big player’ (as in constant ass kissing as owner of the NY Mets), if he’s starting to lose his edge. If this is truly the only serious adversity he’s ever faced, I’m not surprised he’s not handling this well. Sounds like all he ever touched turned to gold and he doesn’t really know how to handle a situation when it goes south.
by MetsFan4Decades on May 23, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions
Oh noes...
he he loses his edge, he may be inclined to traid Jose and sign Jeter
One day, this team is going to kill me.
LOL
Here’s hoping Sandy is indeed the voice of reason now.
by MetsFan4Decades on May 23, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean
Traid Jose FOR Jeter.
by SFloridaMetsFan on May 23, 2011 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"All he ever touched turned to gold"
Except for the Madoff investments, Omar Minaya, Beltran, Willie Randolph, Jerry Manual, Bobby Bonilla, oh my memories fail me, but I could type so many things
So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.
by GreenBeer on May 23, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He also raised Jeff
TerryStopBunting#54
TerryStopBunting#54
by Ownbey4Mex on May 23, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was referring to
his rise in the business world and amassing his fortune, not the success of his baseball team so much.
If you read the article, it did state the team operating about even for years, even though the overall worth steadily climbed.
by MetsFan4Decades on May 23, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
That wasn't meant to slight you, sorry
Ultimately, I think he is trying to portray himself as a hard luck guy in light of the Madoff stuff. I think he is trying to say he makes mistakes.
So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.
I think I agree with this
I read the NYT thing late last night and went ballistic, but after reading the whole New Yorker piece it’s not nearly as bad (it’s still bad, though). The problem with that is that most people won’t even read the NYT thing – they’ll just hear the quotes and react. For example, I would highly doubt that Jose Reyes is going to spend half an hour reading a twelve-page New Yorker article. That’s where this is going to hurt us.
The things he said were catastrophically stupid, but reading them “out of context” makes them even worse.
"Everything's gonna be awesome." -Ken Oberkfell
"ARSHAVIN IS MAGIC" -Brooks Peck
by Thomas Wachtel on May 23, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Dear Wilpons
Shut the fuck up, sell the team, and go away forever. In that order.
by David G on May 23, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
I lobby this
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Even Gary McCourt and Dave Checketts would not be this stupid
to say things about your 3 best players. Wilpon needs to issue an apology, and quickly.
Also, with regards to Reyes, it would make a lot more sense to say “we really want to sign him and will make every attempt to do so, because he’s proving he’s one of the best players in the game again.” If you at least do that, it drives up his price tag and what you’ll get in return if you really are going to trade him. They have leverage there, and are too dumb to even see it.
I like this from the Prospect Hot Sheet
“Subscribers can expect much more on Familia in Tuesday’s Prospect Bulletin, which focuses on the Mets’ Double-A rotation and new organizational pitching philosophy.”
New organizational pitching philosophy! Starters more valuable than relievers? Keep them in the minors longer? Strikes better than balls?
That phrase sounds good though. It reminds me of an old SCTV skit, CCCP-TV, when the 3 cameramen wheel a giant refrigerator-sized camera on stage and Dave Thomas as some appartchik/announcer says “See new soviet mini-cam!”
Y'all should have been fans
when M. Donald Grant ran the team for Ms. Payson. Godawful team and publicly trashing stars (Seaver), without the benefit of spending any money at all. Hard to believe but the team was even worse run before Wilpon, hit or miss as he has been. Although it’s been mostly miss since Cashen left. Maybe it was all Doubleday.
by wobatus on May 23, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I really do think it was all Doubleday
Mark Cuban for owner! Save us from the Wilpons!
by Greenpoint Ian on May 23, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes sense.
When did he leave? 2002? Bobby Valentine gets fired immediately after, team makes tons of terrible decisions…Luckily they had already drafted Reyes and Wright so we did get to have a couple of decent seasons.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
I was - fan since '68
and yes, it sucked. Grant let his ego and cheap pocketbook get in the way having any kind of sense on what makes a good ball club.
by MetsFan4Decades on May 23, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Ike
That Rubin quote from Collins is from last Friday. Ike has since begun taking grounders, and he is still taking swings (not sure if yet against pitching). He still hasn’t begun running, at least as of yesterday.
SELL. THIS. TEAM.
NOW!
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!? Right here: http://myentireteam.wordpress.com/
What. A. Moron.
Yeah, Jose and David sure are going to feel good about the idea of staying now.
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
Honestly, when I read the Wilpon piece,
I was convinced for a few minutes that it was either a late April Fool’s joke, or someone had punked Toobin. I mean my god, how could any owner be so fucking stupid as to publicly insult his three most important players? Not only do his comments make it that much more difficult to trade Beltran, but also to re-sign Wright and Reyes, and also hamper efforts to sign FAs in the future? Who wants to play for a team where the owner calls you out in the press? Jesus Fred, how could you possibly be this goddamned stupid. The level of incompetence on display here is just staggering. Was a PR flack with him for this? What did he think these comments could possibly accomplish other than turning his last defenders against him?
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on May 23, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions
I wonder how much this hurts their trade values?
-not that I want them traded-just being a downer and wondering because of these asshat comments by a complete douche of an owner
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

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