Let's Do the Wilpon Time Warp Again
On my way to work this morning, I read the Fred Wilpon profile in the New Yorker, or as much of it as I could until I went underground. (Those of you without several hours on your hands can get Matthew Artus' summary here.) By the time I got to the subway, I had already breezed through the most incendiary part of the piece, Wilpon's remarks about David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, and the general state of the team. Sitting in the seat in front of me on the L train was a man poring over the Daily News sports pages. The headline: METS DROP TWINBILL. It was an article about the disastrous doubleheader in which the Mets were swept by the Rockies, which happened almost two weeks ago. I looked overhead, and saw Christmas holiday-themed ads.
For a moment, I felt that I'd stepped into a space/time warp where everything was occurring all at once. I couldn't convince myself that I hadn't based on the breaking Wilpon news, because that too seemed to stand out of time. At any given moment, the Mets are making bad situations worse, shooting themselves in the foot, snatching bad PR from the mouths of good, and taking focus away from the field.
In this specific case, it was an article written by a self-admitted Met fan (Jeffrey Toobin), seemingly intended as a sympathetic portrait. In the main, it comes off as one: A self-made man who lives and dies with the team he owns, betrayed by someone he considered a close friend, fighting for his reputation and his life.
And yet, those remarks. A very small part of a larger article that now loom immense.
This isn't Wilpon's first time around the block. Yes, when people get chummy with reporters, they tend to let their guards down. But I have to believe that at least on some level, Wilpon wanted to broadcast the Wright/Reyes/Beltran comments. I found his comments about Beltran the most telling. He clearly regrets giving the center fielder a seven-year contract back in 2005, and also harbors resentment against him for taking a called third strike to end the 2006 NLCS. It makes the attacks Beltran received after the idiotic Walter Reed Hospital debacle last year seem even more calculated than they did at the time.
The words on Reyes are more surprising and disappointing, as they signify the first concrete sign that the Mets will not resign him. Everything else up to this point was total speculation, based on finances and assumptions about GM Sandy Alderson's preferences. I honestly believed Reyes would be inclined to stay in New York. This news makes such thoughts seem, at best, cockeyed optimism.
As for the comments on Wright, those are just baffling, and calling him "not a superstar" is easily contradicted by looking at any given offensive stat he possesses--not to mention, all the charity work and appearances he does on the team's behalf. Damning him with faint praise ("a very good kid") is as unwise as it is untrue. Calling his own team "snakebitten" is similarly strange, albeit an understandable feeling, given all that has befallen the Mets in recent memory.
An owner should be above saying such things in a public forum, and whatever problem he has with his players should be hashed out in private, an ability the Mets have seldom demonstrated in recent years. I'd been inclined to pin such leaks in the past on the whisper-happy Omar Minaya administration. Clearly, Wilpon is not above badmouthing his own organization, openly and otherwise. The fact that he'd do it so nakedly, so undeniably out of his own mouth seems the act of a condemned man who knows his time is short and no longer cares about the consequences of his actions.
As many people have pointed out already, his words don't seem all that different from the kind you can hear on WFAN at any given hour. Or, for that matter, what most of this town's opinion writers have penned about the Mets. While they might not use such salty language in print, it's not hard to imagine the Bill Maddens, Mike Lupicas, and Jon Heymans of the world calling the Mets, as Wilpon did, "a shitty team" and wondering if they might be cursed. It will be interesting to read their takes on it in the coming days. It seems unfair for them to condemn remarks they've basically echoed for the past few years. It also seems unfair for them to blast Wilpon for blasting his own team when such behavior by George Steinbrenner rarely engendered similar condemnation.
None of this makes what Wilpon said right; the pious hypocrisy of certain writers excuses no one else's idiocy. If his remarks did resemble those heard on sports talk radio, surely an owner can and should rise above such a level. Fans of all teams have the tendency, when times get tough, to blame the best players, the ones who are the least at fault. Wilpon, who has to do business with Wright, Reyes, and Beltran, should know better and act better.
In the New Yorker article, Wilpon seems genuinely pained by what the team has become, and knowing that he is in large part responsible for it. But his regrets are placed solely on signings and in-game failures. What he should also recognize is that the Mets' woes under his stewardship have never been confined to the field. It is dumb stuff like this article, and Walter Reed, and punching grampas, and a million other idiotic distractions that have defined the Mets for the past few seasons, every bit as much as Beltran's called strike three.
Another day, another needless crisis for the Mets. This could be 2002, Grant Roberts and his bong hits. This could be 2007, Billy Wagner and his "effin' shocker" sneers. This could be 2004 and Rick Peterson offering to fix Victor Zambrano in 15 minutes. This could be any time. Every day is the same day, it seems, in the world of the Mets, and will probably remain so until the man who loves them so much—to no good effect—is gone.
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Intention, passion, whatever you want to call it
There’s no need to bash specific players, in such a personal and specific manner. If he stopped at ‘The Mets are playing like shit’, are cursed, snakebitten, whatever, I wouldn’t really care. To take potshots at Wright, that’s indefensible. What has this guy literally not done during his tenure with the team. To take potshots at Beltran, borderline retarded, especially since Beltran has numerous Mets team records, and is playing his heart out right now. And the Reyes part? I don’t know what the fuck he was thinking, dissing a player who’s alluded to the idea that since he likes the Mets, he might be willing to give a little bit of a home team discount when he becomes a free agent, after a season where he’s on pace to have the best WAR of his career.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 23, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions
So you're saying that everyday is the same?
I guess it makes sense…I’ve run into this guy on the street everyday since 2002.

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by Steve Schreiber on May 23, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions
Remember Sammy Jankis
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Ned Ryerson!
Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.
it's just stupid
unless it’s tearing yourself down so you have “outs” as to why they won’t re-sign any of these guys coming forward. Either way, it’s BAD for us as fans, because we want to see people like Reyes on the team. “He won’t get Crawford money”. Says who? One of the top three SS in the game won’t get the same money as an outfielder? A guy two years younger than Crawford? Really?
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by Cory Braiterman on May 23, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions
I think you're onto something
I’m reminded of the leaks that came out when A-Rod was a free agent. About A-Rod wanting more billboards than Jeter, wanting his own A-Rod only concession stand, etc. There was no reason for those leaks to come out except to impugn A-Rod in the eyes of the Met fan who rabidly wanted the Mets to sign him at the time.
The only difference is that Wilpon (or someone else in the Mets front office) did it anonymously then. Now he’s attaching his name to it. The motive is the same. He either does not want to, or does not have the money to resign these players, or anyone else, so he rips them publicly.
He should just come out and admit he’s broke and sell the team.
We know the team has the funds availible to re-sign Reyes, if push came to shove
Apparently, the upper echelons of the team doesn’t have the apparent political will.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 23, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Great piece
If Wilpon plays the predictable taken-out-of-context card, it’s almost worse. Are you really that stupid/naive that you don’t know how the media works after all these years? (Shades of Madoff, I suppose.)
This is so frustrating. Just when you think the team has turned a corner…
Lupica is close to the Wilpons
so he’ll defend them as usual. Jon Heyman will be taking even more pot shots at the Mets than he usually does. Madden will write about dysfuntion and say that Sandy probably aready rergrets taking the job.
by graves9 on May 23, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
whoa man
everyone getting in their 2 cents on this story.
the thing that pisses me off most about this article, is that it came out on an offday. i won’t get any new mets news for 2 days, it will just be this story repeated again and again.
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I don't post here, but I love the Mets and have been following the blog for some time now.
But this got me out of the woodwork. What sucks even more is that Wright played with a broken back for quite some time and nobody even knew. He played off the pain and still tried to contribute.
Then he gets this. Reyes has been amongst the top performers in the entire league. I’m pissed beyond words.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions
one thing to keep in mind, as someone pointed out
this interview happened in late April. Not that Fred’s comments are right, but at the time, we were something like 5-13, and he obviously was pissed. He is the owner, etc, and should measure his words…agreed….perhaps he had a Steinbrenner moment, like when The Boss called out The Captain, and Reggie, and others.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
That's true
at the same time though I just really have a hard time trying to figure out how any good can come from these comments? Literally, they accomplish absolutely nothing positive.
He acknowledged:
1) That he made a big time mistake with the Beltran signing
2) Killed a bit of the Reyes trade value by remarking that they weren’t going to pay him much anyway
3) Insult (or at least say something that could be perceived as one) your face of the franchise
4) Show little or no confidence in the team at all (wonder how that’ll go with clubhouse mood and the energy on the field)
5) And because of all this, lose EVEN MORE $$$$ by alienating the fanbase in an already flagging attendance rate at Citi Field.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
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1) That he made a big time mistake with the Beltran signing -
To me, this was more of a tongue-in-cheek comment.
2) Killed a bit of the Reyes trade value by remarking that they weren’t going to pay him much anyway.
Probably a true statement. I want to keep Reyes, but not at Crawford money.
3) Insult (or at least say something that could be perceived as one) your face of the franchise
Agreed. On a personal note, I wonder if Wright has had enough of being perceived
as the face of anything, and a superstar, etc.
4) Show little or no confidence in the team at all (wonder how that’ll go with clubhouse mood and the energy on the field)
I think Fred has been on the game threads.
5) And because of all this, lose EVEN MORE $$$$ by alienating the fanbase in an already flagging attendance rate at Citi Field.
True dat.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
yeahhhh
I dunno. I guess I’m just tired of having to defend this team all the time. I catch poop from them. Catch poop from the media. Every time I wear my Mets cap, I catch some wise-ass comment from a complete stranger. Last thing I needed is a poop on by the goddamn owner.
Also probably because I’m also a Giants, Devils and Nets fan.
Giants pooped away a playoff spot with a late season collapse.
Devils teased me by sucking, then going on an unbelievable streak, only to fall a few pts short
Nets haven’t been relevant in quite some time, and won’t be if Deron Williams doesn’t sign long term with us.
Now its the Mets’ turn to disappoint me, and as much of a hardcore fan I am watching every night, I never expected them to disappoint me with something like this.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
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I catch poop from them
By them I mean my friends, the vast majority of which are yankees fans.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with your posts regarding our players/team
but come on with the my teams are bad pity party. The Giants won a superbowl very recently. The Devils are one of the top 3 or 4 franchises in the NHL in the last 20 years. The Nets suck, but not too long ago they were making deep runs into the playoffs as one of the better teams in the EC. Come on man. Try being a Mets, Jets, Knicks, Rangers fan. One championship in my lifetime out of those teams and it was 17 years ago.
It is just so upsetting and disheartening that our own owner is clearly too stupid to understand what makes a good baseball player, and he is clearly stupid enough to believe that Beltrans contract was a bad one, even though any analytical research on this matter proves otherwise. In one article he whines and cries about how he has a shit team and then immediately shits on his 3 best players. And he wonders why he can’t build a fucking winner.
you're right about the other teams haha
was just sharing some frustration is all. Agreed on all your comments regarding the Mets.
Probably (hopefully) these comments just blow over and nothing comes out for the worse, but there’s a chance, a good chance, that there could be some negative implications from the way he expressed his frustrations, and so I just have a hard time understanding what in the hell made him do this.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but you don't blame the BEST players.
You blame the ones that suck.
Seriously – the Bay signing has worked out better than the Beltran signing?
Very true, but even in that context,
calling out those three specific guys in unnecessary. Say the team is sucking, is playing shitty, is cursed, whatever, and I’m fine. He looks a little silly, since he’s the guy who had Omar put together the team for the past half-decade, but whatever, no big foul. Specifically getting into ragging on those three guys, in an unconstructive manner- hell, in an untrue manner; Beltran did not check swing strike three against Wainwright’s curveball- serves no positive purpose.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 23, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Wilpon needs to apologize for his comments, ASAP
It won’t help that much, and the damage is done, but he still needs to do it.
How to tell if you are a complete f*cking idiot
Take a mediocre team, and then rip the three most productive players over the last decade for your mediocrity. Give passes to Jason Bay, Luis Castillo, our parade of non-hitting catchers Ollie Perez, but make sure you BLAME THE GUYS THAT KEEP THIS FROM BEING A dead last, .300 team. Maybe he’s blaming Reyes, Wright, etc. for why we don’t have Harper and Strausberg.
I’m sorry, the three guys he has mentioned have been the only watchable thing about this team this past decade.
I bet Sandy Alderson is having some second thoughts right now…
I follow two professional teams in sports, and I am cursed to be stuck with morons that you can’t fire like Wilpon and Dolan.
by Marquus on May 23, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
BASEBALL GODS...
If the baseball gods are real, afyer what we (METS FANS), went through since 2006, the Phillies, with the best rotation in baseball, picked to win it all, like the 2006 METS, will crumble and miss the the WS by one game, like the 2006 METS did. Rollins will be called out as strike three goes past him :} It would be even better, if, the METS catch up and win the division with 17 games left to play and are 7GB ;} LETS GO METS!!!
you must not remember what we went through from 01-05
or like 89-97, 74-83, 62-68. the baseball gods owe us way more than that
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I thought you left the Mets?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 23, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
thats actually a very well written piece
that leads to a conclusion that Wilpon is gonna sell. I like this notion.
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by Cory Braiterman on May 23, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
best thing he ever said
If only we could fire owners!
just had to warn people, as Stephen A doesn’t often get respect
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at some point
he has to want the negative attention and publicity to go away. since this is clearly not happening due to the Mets success, he should just sell.
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That's a funny main point the author had there:
After all these months of being in the news for the wrong reasons, with a court of law looking into whether he is simply sleazy or just inept, the New York Mets’ principal owner leaned heavily toward the realm of stupidity in one of the more unconscionable interviews we’ve heard in some time — leaving us all to wonder: “Maybe the man really was hoodwinked by Bernie Madoff, after all.”
and this part:
Blame Minaya! Blame former manager Willie Randolph! Or Randolph’s successor, Jerry Manuel! Blame Reyes! Blame Wright!
He blamed everyone but Beltran!
I don’t see what the author is postulating, though, that the Wilpons are going to sell, completely. They’re selling a minority stake, we know this. If they were selling a majority stake, they would’ve made that public by now. Also, if they were selling more than a minority share, and were actually selling their majority stake in the team, it’d make more sense if they waited until the minority stake went through, infusing them and the team with X amount of money, before deciding that more needs to be done.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 23, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it in all caps?
Like how he speaks?
Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.
who the heck is that DBag on ESPN sportsnation?
he just said we should reward Fred for his honesty? that he is trying to motivate this team.
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which dbag on ESPN sportsnation astromets?
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by feslenraster on May 23, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
whoever that guy who hosts the show is
i think his name is captain douchebag
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Was it Cowherd?
Because he’s a douchelord
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by Thomas Wachtel on May 24, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah but I referred to the fact ALL those guys on ESPN are douches
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on May 24, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
It just boggles my mind that of all the stuff Wilpon could vent about, he chose Beltran, Wright, and Reyes.
Does he realize that according to Fangraphs those 3 have combined to be worth 371.9 million dollars in their time with the Mets? We’ve made so many bad trades, bad signings, bad draft picks, and bad PR moves in the last ten years that I’ve lost count, yet Fred’s biggest complaints are likely the best major league free agent signing we’ve had, the best draft pick we’ve made, and the best IFA we’ve unearthed in the last decade. I realize it was a puff piece, but if you thought Wilpon was some genius who knew what was going on with Madoff you ought to rethink it after reading his assessment of the team. The guy clearly doesn’t have a clue as to good and poor values, and the only surprise to me is that he somehow stumbled away from Madoff with anything left to his name.
by Stephen Schmidt on May 23, 2011 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
For all we know
Wilpon did vent about other players during his interview for the article. We don’t know exactly what was said between the writer and Wilpon that was left out of the article. I do agree that if any mets don’t deserve to catch flak it’s those three. What is perplexing to me is that after years of poor decisions and putting trust in inept managment he hired Sandy and company- giving me hope that maybe he had turned a corner and learned something about the game of baseball. These quotes and him bringing up the Beltran/Wainwright strikeout however show that he little to no knowledge of the game.
Man
I just cant keep up with all the Wilpon threads today. What, every front page writer had to start his own thread?
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by Blame-everyone-else on May 23, 2011 5:34 PM EDT reply actions
Joel Sherman's take
is predictable. He says, Wright’s not a superstar, but that is for him, Joel Sherman, to opine, not Wilpon:
“The reality is that Wilpon had Wright defined ideally: Great kid, but no superstar player. But that truth should be left for people like me to tell. It is simply ungrateful sounding from this owner.”
What a douche.
who's a douche
Wilpon or Sherman? Because I agree with what Sherman is saying in that quote you posted. It is ungrateful for an owner to call out his best player like that. Overall I’m not a Sherman fan but I have to agree with him here re: Wilpon.
I think Sherman's also a douche
for insinuating only he can really be trusted to make that statement about Wright. He comes off as hypocritical. I’d argue from 2005 through 2008 Wright was indeed a superstar, since only Albert Pujols was better than him over those four seasons in the entire National League. And to call his superstar days over in 2011 at age 28 seems premature, even with his recent struggles.
I agree about Wright
but how I interpreted Sherman’s statement was that fans and media have the right to voice their opinions about players, but its not really an owner’s place to say whether or not a player is a star. I do disagree with him that Wright is not a star- anyone who can get on base over 38% of the time while hitting .300 with 30 homeruns like he did in his first four seasons is IMO a star. Simply put the ability to get on base followed by hitting for power are the two most important skills a hitter can possess than David is among the best hitters in the league. I don’t know if his last two seasons are a statistical blip, premature decline or the result of some physical or mechanical problem that can be corrected but I also agree it is too early to say that his superstar days are over.
LET US MAJOR LEAGUE THIS MOTHER FUCKER
AND WIN IT ALL TO SPITE THE PONS!!!!!!!!
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I hate Philadelphia so much.
This is so well written and so frustratingly true.
I woke up this morning and read about all this and the feeling of sickness that grew in me then has not yet abated. How. Amazingly. Stupid.
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