If I were in charge of the Mets (Edited)
by metman726 on May 3, 2011 2:16 PM EDT
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"Trade Jose Reyes... blah blah blah"
This is why you’re not in charge of the Mets.
How about an Orange Monster at Citi Field for Bay?
by Mets-Suns-Texans on May 3, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Hey, I don't want to do it more than the next guy on this site,
but if there is truly little chance that he gets resigned, you need to be able to get something back in return for him
"Anybody with ability can play in the big leagues. But to be able to trick people year in and year out the way I did, I think that was a much greater feat." -Bob Uecker
"Who is the girl in the dugout, with the long hair? What's going on here? You have got to be kidding me. Only player personnel in the dugout. I won't say that women belong in the kitchen, but they don't belong in the dugout." -Kieth Hernandez
But your premise (that there is no money to resign him) is incorrect.
Or at least not known to be correct.
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You really should have some idea of what is happening with the Mets before you make a post like this
A couple of your ideas are somewhat logical, the other are either impossible or just misguided
The good:
1. Trading Young make sense if he stays healthy, nothing wrong with this idea assuming the Mets are totally out of it they might as well get something.
2. Beltran … see above
The Bad:
1. Trading Reyes. Your logic here has more wholes than swiss cheese. How is it that there is a 0% chance we resign Reyes? Are the Mets going to have a 70M payroll next year or something? They already have contracts coming off the books as it is so they can resign Reyes AND decrease payroll. Secondly, your suggestion to bring up Havens is beyond silly. He is both recovering from injury right now, and no longer playing SS. Assuming he comes back and stays healthy (big IF) he might be ready for a call up at the end of the year. If that’s even the case he will be playing 2B which is where the Mets moved him last year after determining he didn’t have the ability to play SS at the ML level.
2. I don’t see Bay as very tradable, especially not to TB unless we pick up the majority of his contract. At that point in time why trade him if you’re still paying for a bunch of it.
There are some other general issues with your overall plan as well. FMart has never stayed healthy for a full year, and just came back from the DL, what to ensure that he is going to be ready. Kirk might be the closest thing to being ready, but a full year in AAA would serve him well to hammer out his plate discipline and ability to hit lefties worth a darn. Den Dekker is in A+ so he is no where near ML ready yet. Also, Pagan is currently hurt and rehabbing, why are we jumping to conclusions and sending him to AAA?
Granted, TB is a long shot for Bay, but if they eat at least 1/2 of the contract he could be tradeable
if he produces
as for reyes, most reports say that he could ask for Carl Crawford-type money, so the odds of alderson forking out that kind of money to a guy with a low OBP while the Wilpons are essentially on their way to the poor house is not likely.
"Anybody with ability can play in the big leagues. But to be able to trick people year in and year out the way I did, I think that was a much greater feat." -Bob Uecker
"Who is the girl in the dugout, with the long hair? What's going on here? You have got to be kidding me. Only player personnel in the dugout. I won't say that women belong in the kitchen, but they don't belong in the dugout." -Kieth Hernandez
You say these things
but the are all just huge assumptions. I have not seen Reyes say anywhere he wants Crawford kind of money, and I’m sure Alderson looks at a lot more than just OBP when evaluating players.
They follow the money.Don't ever forget that! A shortstop with his defense and game
changing offense along with 50 or so steals and all around exciting play,will get a $130 million 6 year contract without breaking a sweat.If Jose goes into free agency at the end of the season,he is gone,baby gone.
by Putnan Prince on May 3, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
All signs point towards the fact that Sandy likes good baseball players.
Jose Reyes is a good baseball player. OBP is a tool to measure how good Jose is, but it’s silly for somebody to think that it’s the end all-be all of Sandy’s evaluation. You think that he completely ignores things like Defense, Speed, Power, etc?
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by Steve Schreiber on May 3, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trading Young could make sense
and Beltran trade is a no-brainer. Trading Jose is fairly unpalatable to me unless the return on him is enormous. I don’t think re-signing him is out of the question given the massive amounts coming off the books this year, although I admit it will take care financial maneuvering. If we have to eat half of Bays contract to trade him it’s not really all that valuable of a trade anyway. He’s not performing well so we’ll get middling prospects back at best, and we’ll still be paying him a ton of money for years to come. Why not wait and see if he can get some of his swing back before trying to move him. From what i’ve heard Pagan has looked much better swinging the bat in his rehab work (albeit vs AAA) lets see how he comes back before we assume there’s something broken with his swing that still needs fixing. You even admit that moving up Havens is a bad idea, and I’d tend to agree. Lets make sure he’s ready before we throw him into the fire. We’ve already botched enough player development for one century lately. F! would be a logical call-up for Beltran, but he’s another brittle player who hasn’t proven he can be fully depended upon. While I love Captain Kirk as much as the next guy, i’m not sure he’s ready for the show either, and I think he’ll be unnecessary once Pagan gets back anyway. Sending Pelf to the minors might end up necessary, so I’ll grant you that as a possibility.
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Angel Pagan.
Dude is injured, so I suppose that is awry. Why does that merit a demotion?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 3, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions
Oh boy. I was tempted to put up the "bad post" picture
but decided not to because I’ve seen you around here before. Anyway:
Same story as Reyes, ask for a fairly large prospect haul if production keeps up, if not take the free agent compensation picks in the 2012 draft.
Carlos Beltran cannot be offered arbitration because of a clause Omar put into his contract, thus not allowing us to collect draft pick compensation for him.
4. Trade Jason Bay
It’d be nice but I doubt you get much back other than a little salary relief. That contract is ugly.
Trade Chris Young at the deadline
I’d trade Young as well (and Capuano too if you can get something for him) but trading him to Milwaukee or Cincinnati probably wouldn’t happen, considering those are two good hitters parks and they seem to have full rotations once Greinke gets back and when some of Cincy’s young guys turn it around (I imagine they will).
Trade Jose Reyes
I don’t agree with the notion that there’s no way to re-sign him. The team is supposedly going to agree with a minority investor by June 1st, which should mean an infusion of some cash. Also, the team has nearly 50 million dollars coming off the books (and could be more if K-Rod’s vest doesn’t vest). Now if you’re going to trade him, I think it’s best to look for the best talent you can get back, instead of looking for need. For instance, if you’re dealing with San Francisco, they have some nice pitching prospects but they may or may not have a CFer or a catcher prospect. To me, you have to take talent back in a deal over acquiring guys who “fill the positions you need” even if they aren’t very good. If that means 3 starting pitching prospects, then so be it. If that means a really good third baseman, a really good starter and a really good centerfielder, fine. You can always deal the guys who don’t fit but have a lot of value. You never want to shoehorn guys into a trade just because “we need a catcher.”
Send Down Mike Pelfrey
I’m back and forth on this. The one thing I know, however, is that sending a guy to the minors isn’t some magical antidote that’ll cure Mike and make him a #2 starter. The guy’s a decent 3 on a mediocre team and a 4 or 5 on a good team. That’s what happens when a pitcher doesn’t develop secondary pitches that can get major leaguers out and then loses velocity on top of that.
Send Down Angel Pagan
What? Why? I understand he struggled a bit before he got hurt, but his swing just seemed to be a tiny bit off where he was popping things up. The team’s played well with Pridie in CF thus far but all in all, you need Pagan out there if you’re going to be competitive and there’s nothing that going to the minors will fix. Once he’s healthy, he just needs to make a little tweak to his swing to get that line drive stroke back.
Call Up Reese Havens to play SS after Reyes is traded
Goodness no. Is Havens a SS? No, he’s a 2Bman now. Has Havens played a game all season? No, he’s rehabbing in PSL. Is Havens ready for the majors? No, he’s got all of 68 at bats at AA Binghamton. He needs to get healthy, he needs to play in AA Binghamton and spend some time in Buffalo too and he needs to prove he can stay healthy and hit before he’s called up.
And why would they need to start Chin-Lung Hu? If Reyes gets traded, they could use Ruben Tejada at SS or they could probably call up Luis Hernandez. Hell, let Chin-Lung start and try to up his trade value. If Reyes gets traded, there’s no reason to let Tejada and Havens struggle in the majors if they’re not ready (and if either is ready, that’s a different story, but at least Havens is certainly not ready yet).
And I’d imagine Duda gets the first call should an OFer be traded. He’s already on the 40 man roster, has big league experience and is probably closest to big league ready. Nieuwenhuis would be next in line after that and then F-Mart. You won’t see Den Dekker for another year or two.
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by Steve Schreiber on May 3, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Don't think Duda ever will be "major league " ready.Can't field,run and throws below average.
He has some power but will never hit for average,
by Putnan Prince on May 3, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
His arm is above average, and he hits for power and average
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
First, his arm is very much above average
Out of high school, he was a first baseman and relief pitcher who threw 90+mph fastballs. If you watch him throw the ball, he has excellent velocity. His throws are also accurate. Duda has two big problems in the outfield because he is new to playing there. He runs poor routes, and he doesn’t always know where to throw. With experience, those issues can be greatly mitigated.
As far as hitting, he hit for power and average in AAA last year going .304/.398/.569. This year he started in a slump, but his last 10 games were a .333/.432/.667 line.
Last year in the majors, Duda started in a 1-34 slump. He then finished .314/.345/.647.
So to say that Duda will “never hit for average” is merely an opinion that is not supported by facts.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Like the way you glossed over his 1-34 last year and his bad start this year.
Maybe I’m wrong but I thought all at AB’s count toward stats.Theres a pretty good reason he had a 1B next to his name.You are right about his arm (my mistake) but those 2 problems in the outfield are real.Finally,hitting in AAA does not mean you will hit at the show.Until he shows me he can I’m a non-believer.
by Putnan Prince on May 5, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I dismiss his 1-34 start based on his BABIP
Duda’s 2010 AAA BABIB was .346 and his 2010 AA BABIP was .310. In his previous minor league seasons, his BABIP varied between .335 and .355.
2010 in MLB:
First 13 games .043 BABIP
Last 16 games .333 BABIP
All 29 games .222 BABIP
That .333 BABIP is right in line with what he should be doing, so I don’t believe that it is unreasonable to throw out his first 13 games when trying to get a glimpse about what his potential is as a MLB player. Is it conclusive? No, because the sample size is far to small. It does, however, cast doubt over any absolute statements that “he has some power but will never hit for average.”
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
True,but as Parcells would say .222 is what it is.
by Putnan Prince on May 5, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
True enough.
It’s terribly unlucky in this instance.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 5, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
And a small sample size, too
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by BobbyV_Incognito on May 5, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to say I was pretty impressed with his arm
the few times he’s thrown the ball to home from the OF. I wasn’t expecting his throws to be great (I was expecting closer to the Chris Carter rainbow type throws). I didn’t know he had a pitcher background, so I guess that explains it.
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by Steve Schreiber on May 5, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I had very little hope for this post after the first two sentences
The rest confirmed my suspicions.
How can you possibly suggest signing Pujols
when, according to you, there is 0 chance we have enough money for Reyes?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
wow missed that part the first time through
this guy mixes equal parts extreme pessimism, and an overabundance of optimism in one shot
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on May 3, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
One of these days....
I am going to make a FanPost just like this one, and you will all crown me the King of AA.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
fxcarden#54
fxcarden#54
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by Steve Schreiber on May 3, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
You’ll be fxcarden#54 and LIKE IT!!
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by Steve Schreiber on May 3, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
With regard to Pelfrey:
.364
That’s his BABIP.
15.9
That’s his LD %. His career mark is 20.2.
Sending him down to AAA isn’t going to fix shitty luck. Only time will.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
I swear one day I will sit down and figure out
why a high BABIP is “shitty luck”, as opposed to “shitty pitcher”.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
by fxcarden on May 3, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because most pitcher have little control over where the ball goes off the hitters bat
and even less control over whether or not the defense misplays it or is set up correctly.
It’d be different if his LD% was high but it’s not. It’s actually 4% better than his normal level. There not hitting him hard, the balls are just finding was to drop.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
If only LD% classification was as reliable as GB%.
James pointed out something similar in the Niese thread
Besides GB% and IFF%, the rest of the batted ball profile classification is not good enough to draw definitive conclusions. We would have to review the tapes to confirm/dismiss the possibility that the pitcher gave tons of hard hit balls, inflating his BABIP.
(Even GB%, there are those hard hit balls that bounce in the infield once and the slow rollers to 2B.)
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Wouldn't that indicate he's getting lucky with LD% though?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
It could, but it indicates his BABIP is so high not because he's getting hit hard
but because he is getting rotten luck.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
His struggles can't all be explained by a high BABIP.
His BB rate is up and his HR/9 is also up. His HR/FB rate is in line with his career rate, but he is giving more flyballs in 2011.
Also the LD/FB classification is not clear cut, so looking just at LD to check if he is being hit hard might be misleading.
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Because
Mike Pelfrey’s career BABIP is .310 It’s the fluctation that suggests his luck has been bad.
REYES
You have some good ideas on here. No one wants to see Reyes go, but it might be inevitable. How about trading him & then making an offer when he declares free agency? Also, did you mean call up Tejada to play SS? I don’t know if Havens can play SS- thought he was strictly at 2B.
Why don't we trade for Joe Mauer and convert him to a second baseman?
Then we can borrow Hanley Ramirez, put him at third base and make David Wright the new shortstop.
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
LOL
and here I wasted all of those words on the original fanpost. This didn’t seem like the work of a regular AA poster.
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Wait, I'm confused.
If he knew it was a bad post and didn’t stand behind any of the ideas held within, why post it?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
apparently his buddy jacked his account and wrote it?
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by KeithsMoustache on May 3, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Well being as this thread is pointless now
I really wish there were more communities like AA. Over at Die By The Blade (the Sabres SBN blog) there’s this guy trying to argue that the NHL is broken because luck plays too large a role and that lesser teams beat better teams too often. The worst part is that he doesn’t even realize how loose his grasp of logic really is. It’s really just myself and 2 other guys fighting off his trollish attack and it just made me realize (again) how special AA is.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Supposedly
though I don’t really believe it. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, I guess.
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by Steve Schreiber on May 3, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
correct
"Anybody with ability can play in the big leagues. But to be able to trick people year in and year out the way I did, I think that was a much greater feat." -Bob Uecker
"Who is the girl in the dugout, with the long hair? What's going on here? You have got to be kidding me. Only player personnel in the dugout. I won't say that women belong in the kitchen, but they don't belong in the dugout." -Kieth Hernandez
okay i call bullshit
im sorry but the original post sounded like someone who knew the mets (to an extent) and not some yankee fan pulling a prank. Dude, even if some people (ok a lot) didnt agree with you and your ideas then fine. Move on. Dont make up excuses and delete the post. Real life dont work like that.
I believe in Dillon Gee!
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
That's what I was thinking
And as misguided as the origional post was I didn’t find it insincere. If it was a prank it wasn’t a very funny one.
Man, I wish I knew what this said originally...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 3, 2011 7:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Me, too.
Don’t suppose anyone copied the original text just for fun.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on May 3, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point, maybe one of the mods should just delete the post?
No point in letting it clog up the intertubes anymore.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 3, 2011 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
No matter
The Mets might want to sign Liriano from the Twins after what he did tonight. No-hitter on his first full game pitch. In our dreams eh?
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Buy high?
That’s an Omar move, not a Sandy move.
It’s funny, though, cause like last week, Liriano got dropped by like millions of people in fantasy baseball.
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Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
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