On The Kid and Being a Kid
The past seven-plus days for the Mets were not ideal, to say the least, a great weeping and gnashing of teeth that was termed "the worst week ever in the history of this terrible Mets franchise" by Tim McCarver.* (*Not his actual quote, though it might as well have been, and if he and the rest of the Fox crew are going to get so many things consistently wrong in their broadcasts I can't be bothered to quote them accurately either.)
First, Fred Wilpon verbally defecated on his best players. Then David Einhorn swept in with a much needed injection of Vitamin Cash into the Mets' bank account, but it didn't matter, say all the reporters, because the team will sell off all its best assets anyway and die alone and afraid, and won't we all be sad when the Mets no longer have the players they all described in terms similar to Wilpons' for the past 4 years?
Lost amid this haze was a bit of Mets-related news every bit as awful. Hall of Fame catcher Gary Carter was diagnosed with four tumors on his brain, and a subsequent examination revealed it to be Grade 4 glioblastoma. I am not a doctor or a scientist, but I do know that nothing good ends in "-oma", particularly when it comes to the brain. Apparently, such tumors affect the central nervous system and are inoperable. Carter will pursue what treatment is available for the condition, but it is a grim prognosis. The news makes me think of how I spent a good chunk of my kid-dom loving the man they called The Kid.
If you were a kid in New York in the 80s, your favorite player was almost certainly Darryl Strawberry or Doc Gooden. What team you actually rooted for was beside the point. For one thing, the battle lines that are now drawn between Yankee and Met fandom were not nearly as hostile as they are now. For another, kids always go where the wind takes them, and that time the Mets ruled the town in every conceivable way.
Me, I was one of the weird ones who picked Gary Carter as his favorite. I can't tell you why I made the choice initially. Most likely because of my innate contrarian streak. Picking Straw or Doc would've been like saying your favorite band was the Beatles: a choice no one could dispute but that revealed nothing about you. There was every reason in the world to pick the otherwordly athleticism of Strawberry or the high kicking fireballs of Doctor K. Picking Carter said, "I like the weird-looking, awkward goofballs who look just as likely to run an HR department as play baseball."
But if I picked The Kid for square peg reasons, I stuck with him for baseball reasons. You could see him command a game on the field, directing the infielder and giving his pitcher a verbal kick in the rear, much like Keith Hernandez did. His relentlessly sunny disposition off the field belied an intense competitor on the field, particularly behind the plate. In every photo of him making a play at home, he looks furious, as if personally offended that someone would dare try to score on his watch.
He was also pretty good with the bat. On Opening Day 1985 (his first with the Mets), he hit a walkoff home run against the Cardinals in the bottom of the tenth, setting off an intense rivalry between the two teams that would last for the next four seasons. It was the first of 32 longballs Carter clubbed in an MVP-caliber season.
He would've received serious consideration for MVP honors in 1986, too, had he not injured his thumb mid-summer and missed significant time. He still managed 24 homers and 105 RBIs, but he will be remembered more for what he did in the posteason.
The playoffs did not start off well for him. All the Mets were perturbed by Mike Scott's obvious ball-scuffing in the NLCS against the Astros, but the straight-laced Carter in particular seemed to take it personally. He went 1-for-21 to begin the series, and suffered the indignity of being taunted by Houston reliever Charlie Kerfeld, who waggled a weak comebacker he hit in game three in his general direction before throwing him out at first. But Carter had the last laugh. In the bottom of the 12th of an epic game 5, Wally Backman reached on a bunt single, then advanced to second on a pickoff throw. The Astros opted to walk Keith Hernandez and face the slumping Carter. He hit a single up the middle off of Kerfield, Backman came around to score, and the Mets had a 3-2 lead in the series.
In game 4 of the World Series, Carter smacked two moonshots over the Green Monster to help the Mets even the series at two games apiece. He drove in nine runs against Boston, more than any other Met, but his most important contribution was a single. It came in the bottom of the 10th of game 6, with the Red Sox owning a 5-3 lead, one out away from winning it all. Many insane things needed to happen for the Mets to win this game, but it all began with Carter lofting a single to shallow center to keep their hopes alive.
And yet, Carter is far from the first person people think of when they think of that team; more likely, he's fourth or fifth (at best) in the public consciousness. Perhaps he has suffered in our memory for getting very old very fast, as catchers tend to do. In 1988, he was named co-captain, along with Keith Hernandez, just as his skills began to drop off a cliff. He hit home run number 299 and struggled mightily to get his next one, waiting almost a month before going deep again. He'd finish with only 11, and in the NLCS against the Dodgers, the one-time cleanup hitter routinely batted seventh in the order.
An injury plagued 1989 was his last in New York. It was inevitable, everyone saw it coming, and yet the news really hurt me. I attempted to follow his career as he bounced around for a few more seasons with the Giants, Dodgers, and back with the Expos. But that was a lot harder to do back in the those olde timey days if you didn't have cable, which I did not. Carter finally retired, several years too late, in 1992, around the same time that I took a temporary hiatus from my interest in baseball.
Carter also hasn't helped himself by putting his foot in his mouth a few times in recent years, like making statements that suggested he was angling for the managerial seat soon to be vacated by Willie Randolph back in 2008. He quickly backed off his statements, but the incident reminded many of Carter's long-standing rep: Camera Carter, the man who had to insert himself into any given situation, whether his presence was warranted or not. It was not his proudest moment, and he's more or less kept a low profile since.
I remember going to Gary Carter night in 2003, shortly before he was inducted in the Hall of Fame (and received one of the more unflattering plaques in Cooperstown history). I was working for the company that produced the Mets' programs, and an exec had field level seats he couldn't use that night. This was 2003, so Shea was not well attended. The tickets were for one of Shea's odd box sections with only three seats, so my then-girlfriend and I were flush next to a borderline autistic man who talked at me for nine innings about how the Mets never should have dumped Kahn's as their official hot dog.
I didn't go to games too often then, or to that point in my life, really, so I had this weird feeling of Maybe I shouldn't have come here tonight. And yet, when Carter came on the field to accept his accolades--I honestly can't remember what tokens he received--that all melted away. Seeing him on a field again, even in a suit, made me feel like a kid again. That's what baseball does at its best, and what it does better than any other sport, as far as I'm concerned.
Carter accepted his whatevers graciously. Indelicately, he alluded to the rough spot the team was in at the moment, but he also insisted that better days were ahead. Only The Kid could've looked at the sluggish, boring Art Howe Mets of 2003 vintage and seen better days ahead.
Such relentless, blind optimism will serve him well in his latest fight. I can't say if he will win, but I can imagine him staring this all down like a shaky Calvin Schiraldi, quietly telling himself, I am not going to make the last out...
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Very nice Matt.
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Really good kid.A very good player.Not a superstar. #BlameWilponz. Never Forget
by ScottfromPeekskill on May 31, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions
Wow, this was a bad week
Honestly, I don’t get the idolizing Carter gets/got. I was too young to remember anything, so I can’t look back at the glory days with rosy glasses, and maybe I’m too old and jaded now to really “get it”. Make no mistake, I lovePiazza, or Jose and David like any other fan, but their accomplishments also match their ratio of love. Carter, not so much. Other guys in that category- Fonzie, or Leiter, for example- don’t nearly get as much love as Carter. It puzzles me.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 31, 2011 4:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You really can't figure out why one of the big boppers and team leaders of the '86 Mets
gets more love than Al Leiter?
And, if anything, in my mind he’s somewhat neglected as the 86ers go. Doc, Darryl, Keith, Ron Darling, and Mookstra all seem to get more love (though Dykstra less so as our relationship with Philly fans has cratered.) Carter seems to get about as much fanfare as Wally Backman. Yes, part of that is that, in various ways, Mookie, Backman, and (duh) Keith and Ron have found ways to remain affiliated with the current Mets.
As a kid myself, I read his book about the ’86 Mets, “Dream Season.” Loved it.
Leiter wwas a Met longer, and worth more during that time, statistically
I don’t get what it is about Carter that raises him above that level- real solid guy I’d rather have than not have- to the point that he is idolized and movements to get his number retired exist. The ring? Cause, as mentioned, Backman, or Hojo have rings, and they dont mitigate too much the lack of time or mega-stats that Carter’s seems to have.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 31, 2011 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think maybe we can ease off the statistical arguments for this thread
Carter has stats+championship, and had a HOF career, generally. That’s why he’s celebrated.
As a Met, he doesn't really have stats
That’s what makes me not get the amount of love, in proportion to the stats. They’re not bad, but they’re nothing OMG worthy. The rings and intangibles of other players don’t seem to augment their love-to-performance ratio as is the case with Carter. It puzzles me.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 31, 2011 4:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Players don't always become fan favorites because of stats
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Agreed
There’s no push to immortalize Turk Wendell, though.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 31, 2011 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is there any reason to push this?
Especially today?
Obviously, the fact that the guy was a top run producer for the mid-‘80s Mets and is a Hall-of-Famer is meaningful to fans. And, that he was a team leader and managed the pitching staff doesn’t (and shouldn’t) go unnoticed. It shouldn’t be that surprising that fans latch onto these things.
by tmu on May 31, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why do similar "special" players in that mold
Not elite-but-good not get similar sentiments? This is what I’m trying to figure this out. Ron Darling, a similar important-but-not-elite player, who was an important contributor to the teams of that era, what is it about him specifically that makes him seem less important? Or, about Carter specifically that makes him seem more important
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 31, 2011 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Darling is also celebrated
And, as we’ve been telling you, it’s because Carter was a run producer and team leader who had a HOF career, a few prime years of which also were prime years for the Mets. This is not difficult. Chicks dig the longball.
And oh yeah, he just got diagnosed with inoperable brain tumors. So, maybe we can debate his worthiness as a “Met Great” some other time and just celebrate him as a great Met.
Look again
In 1985, the year he joined us, he was fifth in the league in WAR (6.7). As a CATCHER. Kind of impressive.Maybe even “elite” when you consider the position. The following year he put up a respectable 3.8. (side note: number of seasons Piazza put up a 6+ WAR for us = zero). Yes, Carter tailed off quickly, but not dramatically until after the WS win and after that, frankly, it was all gravy. I realize it’s not easy to quantify, but the difference between being a major piece of your team’s first WS win in 20 years and being al-fucking-leiter is significant (note: had we won in 2000, I would have written carlos-fucking-delgado :) ).
Carter, like Keith, represented a turning point in the franchise. For those of us lucky enough to remember it, he symbolized the point where we went from an exciting team that competes and no longer sucks to serious, SERIOUS contenders. We were so good and so close in ’85 and he was a huge reason.
Also, he never put on a Yankee uniform or called a yankee game or even acknowledged the yankees’ existence because during Carter’s era with us, it was debatable whether they really existed at all.
that should read...
“281/365/488. In 1985” As a CATCHER….
(in my haste I left out a line. The theme remains the same).
On my phone, so it'll be brief on those points- will write more in the morning, on the computer
Piazza had two 6.0+ WAR seasons with the Mets- 1998 (Spent 3/4 of the season with us) and 2000.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 1, 2011 1:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The big item is 'catcher'.
Met fans have always loved their catchers out of all proportion to their WAR. Grote, Stearns, Carter, Piazza, even the ones who pumped steroids get some love from us. Hopefully, someday Thole will make that list.
Catcher of the 80's,Hall of Famer and media favorite are some of the reasons.
Must be young and probably didn’t see the Kid play much.Special player and leader.Nobody deserves the battle he’s about to go through
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by Putnan Prince on May 31, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter was more loved at the time since he was so good at sound bytes.
I rarely hear his name from even my own family when the 86 Mets are brought up in years. He’s a second tier nostalgia guy compared to Doc, Straw, Mookie and Keith. It’s not a a knock on the guy but people love those guys more I’d think.
Darling has done a lot for his legacy by announcing. We all liked him and El Sid, but they’d both drive you nuts with the walks and no decisions from early departures.
Those late 90s Mets will get more attention when guys like you are all in their 30s and 40s and they’re a nostalgia item.
Precisely
Also, you have to remember that Carter’s decline occurred early. There was the perception (and rightly so) in the mid-‘80s that he was and would be an elite player. Imagine if the Mets had won it all in ’06, including some heroics from David Wright. Now imagine David dropped off in ’07 and never really regained form. It’s not a perfect analogy, because Carter was already far more established in ‘86 than Wright in ’06, but bear with me. What people would remember of Wright down the road was that sense of potential and greatness from ’06. And even if his subsequent years weren’t as productive, he’d still be lauded and venerated for that snapshot of his abilities from a championship year. More simply put, when it comes to sentiment, people remember the perceptions from any given time. And in 1986, people didn’t really know much about 1989. Fans don’t reassess the body of work coldly using hindsight. That’s why people in their mid-30s on up have such high regard for the Kid as a Met. Having high regard for the Kid as a player overall, including his time with the Expositions, is an obvious conclusion drawn by any student of the game.
by tmu on Jun 1, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks for this wonderful write up Matt
sigh.
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