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Mets 7, Pirates 0: Two-Out, Seventh-Inning Rally Hands Bucs Their Booty

This game was strictly a pitchers' affair early on, as Kevin Correia was perfect through 4⅔ innings before Jason Bay's two-out single in the fifth. Notwithstanding Bay's surprising two-game hitting streak, Correia and Chris Capuano kept each other's offense merely theoretical for the game's first six innings before the Mets broke through with a confusing and controversial run in the seventh.

Carlos Beltran selfishly flied out to lead off the inning, but Daniel Murphy singled to center and Angel Pagan did likewise, sending Murphy to third and putting runners on the corners with just one out. Local pariah Bay ran the count to 3-1 before hitting an apparent sacrifice fly to center, though the SNY production crew was too busy following Murphy's celebratory plate-crossing to notice that the Pirates had appealed the play successfully. Double play, no run, inning over.

Or so we thought. Instant replays showed Murphy tagging from third no sooner than Bay's fly ball landed in Andrew McCutchen's mitt, and calls for robot umpires rang out on the Twitter. While that sentiment still holds, the Pirates had actually appealed the play at second base—not third—charging Pagan with not having re-tagged second on his way back to first. It remained an inning-ending double-play, but Murphy's run counted and the Mets held a slender 1-0 lead.

Capuano easily dispatched the Pirates in the bottom of the seventh, though the second controversial play of the game earned manager Clint Hurdle an early exit. Lyle Overbay led off the inning by taking a 3-1 offering from Capuano into deep center, where Pagan seemed to grab it cleanly as his body slammed into the wall. Hurdle contended that Pagan had trapped the ball against the wall—or that the ball had bounced off the wall and into Pagan's glove so quickly and smoothly that it had the illusion of a clean catch. Replays appear to side with the Mets and the umpires on this one, and the Mets' two-out wrecking crew got to work in the bottom of the eighth as the game quickly metamorphosed from a nail-biter into a laugher.

Josh Thole and Ruben Tejada flied out to left and center fields, respectively, but Willie Harris, pinch-hitting for Capuano, singled to right and Jose Reyes singled to center before a Justin Turner RBI double gave the Mets a 2-0 lead and chased Correia from the game. RBI whore Beltran singled home Reyes and Turner to run the score to 4-0, and two batters later Pagan delivered the Mets' tenth hit of the game, and RBI single which plated pinch-runner Jason Pridie. It was the sixth consecutive two-out hit and it stretched the lead to 5-0.

Jason Isringhausen set the Pirates down in the bottom of the eighth, and the Mets padded their lead in the top of the ninth with back-to-back two-out solo home runs by Scott Hairston and Reyes. Bobby Parnell allowed a couple of singles in the ninth but kept the Bucs off the board to seal the 7-0 win and the Mets' fourth shutout of the season.

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* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* Bucs Dugout Gamethread

Win Probability Added

Big winners: Chris Capuano, +47.0% WPA, Angel Pagan, +9.3% WPA
Big losers: Josh Thole, -8.1% WPA, Ruben Tejada, -7.0% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Turner RBI double in eighth, +13.1% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: McCutchen walk in fourth, -4.2% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: +48.7% WPA
Total batter WPA: +1.3% WPA
GWRBI!: Jason Bay

Game Thread Roll Call

Nice job by freakystyley; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.

Num Name # of Posts
1 freakystyley 147
2 CTRefJay 125
3 astromets 100
4 MetsFan4Decades 87
5 fxcarden 69
6 JeffreyScott 63
7 reyoreyo 54
8 Spike Davis 45
9 TKFJ 44
10 metsguy234 43

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by CTRefJay on Jun 12, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

MFMVP

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

MVMFP

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by Russ on Jun 12, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

MFMMFVMFP

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 12, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

HVW

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

AAAAAUUUUGGGHHH!

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by CTRefJay on Jun 12, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vomit.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

FLAGGED!!1!

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by Russ on Jun 12, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh god why?!!

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by blueandorange4life on Jun 12, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love the Mets

Love the Mets

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Trade the Wilpon

and Trade the Other Wilpon

I for one welcome our new hedge fund overlord.

by Ownbey4Mex on Jun 12, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Words still do not decribe the joy I have that I was able to trade for him in my fantasy league

for Trevor Cahill and Ian Desmond. Hurray for Cahill’s winz and me bullshitting about how Desmond can hit .275 with 10-15 HR power and 20-25 SBs.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm about to pull off Cahill and Feliz for Reyes

The other person doesn’t notice Feliz’s poor K/BB ratio, arm problems and poor K/9.
He just sees the SAVESZZ!

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by Aidan Gibson on Jun 12, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

First game I've missed this year

and the Mets hit two evil homers and get a bunch of two out hits. Reyes needs to be re-signed and I’d have no issue with Cap being re-signed too. He has been terrific so far this year.

by graves9 on Jun 12, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Capuano would make a mighty nice trade chip.

Cincy, Colorado, and/or St. Louis could be in the market.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 12, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what you mean, but the other side of that is

he has been one of our most reliable starters. We are only 4.5 games out of the WC.

Also, trade him for WHAT ?.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Jun 12, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

my preference is to trade him for a nice chip and possibly sign him in the offseason.

by graves9 on Jun 12, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather trade Pelf

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by Russ on Jun 12, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Jun 12, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, duh.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 12, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would too

I’m not sure what you get for him coming off the season he’s having. I don’t see him being another better than a #4 starter unless he gets traded to the Cardinals, and Duncan works his magic.

by graves9 on Jun 12, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get this feeling (complete gut feeling but neverthless) that

Pelfrey will probably blossom and develop a new pitch or something down the road (maybe in his 30’s) that will get him to improve and then we’ll be kicking ourselves for dealing him. He’ll probably work with some other pitching coach and develop a kickass curve or splitter or whatever and he’ll start carving up the league in his 30’s.

Just a hunch based on no facts whatsoever. Mainly my cynical Mets fandom kicking in. Either way, I doubt it happens with the Mets. It doesn’t make sense to pay him the money he’ll get just in case he finally develops an actual out pitch.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, I don't like speculation like this

or similar hindsight like the Heath Bell trade. There’s no guarantee that Pelf would ever develop that hypothetical pitch while with the Mets. Just as there was no guarantee that Bell would ever be as good as he is under the Mets tutelage. He credits the Padres pitching coaches for helping him develop the pitches that made him into a top closer. Who knows if he would have ever had similar instruction with the Mets?

by chakrabs on Jun 12, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heath Bell isn't that surprising

struck out 14.4 batters/9 in 2006 in the minors, the Mets just jerked him around between the majors and minors. He may have never been as good, but there was no reason based on his performance to package him as a trade for 2 guys no one else wanted, and no reason to think he wouldn’t have been very good in the majors. Omar just looked at his major league ERA’s and got scared, because ERA is a great way to judge reliever performance

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by astromets on Jun 12, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Between Capuano or Pelfrey, I'll take Pelfrey

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take Pelf too just because i'm confident that his arm will still be attached to

his shoulder a year from now. If saving money on Pelf means we can keep Reyes though…

by FrancoTAU on Jun 12, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Pelf is younger and if nothing else can probably give us 200 innings a year.

by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 12, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

200 crappy innings a year

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by Russ on Jun 12, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon Russ, you're letting high expectations from a couple years ago

to cloud your judgement. He’s decent, it’s just frustrating to see a guy who can throw 95 MPH strikes and only be mid rotation material.

by FrancoTAU on Jun 12, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

This.

What's the score, boys?
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by StorkFan on Jun 12, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not for nothing but

he barely throws 95 at this point. He’s much more in the 91-93 range and can dial it back to 95 once in a while. That’s good velocity but for a pitcher with no other secondary pitches, it results in a mediocre one at best.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah and that's the difference there.

Parnell throws hard but his FB is straight as an arrow and he wouldn’t throw as hard as he does now if he were starting. Pelfrey always has had good to great velocity coupled with natural sinking action and movement on the FB, a big reason why he was considered the top pitching prospect in the 2005 draft.

Unfortunately he never developed his secondary pitches and throwing every 5 days knocked a couple of MPH off his velocity.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he was able to work with someone, or do something, to ensure that more

of his sinkers resulted in groundballs, and got his groundball percentage to crazy Derek Lowe levels, he wouldn’t need the speed, or extra polished offspeed offerings.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

though he hasn’t done it so far. I think it’s going to take Dave Duncan to get him there or a similar pitching coach, to be honest.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

His GB rate has dropped almost 5% since 2008/2009, and hovering around 50% isn’t that all high for a GB pitcher to begin with, so, obviously, the Mets pitching coaches and trainers working with him over the course of his entire career haven’t done it. If it happens, it’ll be with different people, cause our guys, if it hasn’t sunk in yet, it’s not gonna.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He actually seems to get temporarily worse everytime

someone tries to teach him how to pitch. The Jacket made him throw sliders and drop the curve which made his walk rates jump as he was scared to throw it for a strike. The splitter experiment last year led to him striking out a couple more guys but his sinker stopped sinking.

by FrancoTAU on Jun 13, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's so healthy that I'm sure he's just dialing it back.

Its not like his K rates have fallen off and if you have no breaking stuff to mix in than might as well go for the innings eater strategy of throwing 92 all day long.

by FrancoTAU on Jun 13, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Pelf is never going to be an ace, and it’s not a bad idea to have a serviceable workhorse in the rotation.

Just depends on his price tag.

by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 12, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

200 crappy innings is still 1.0-2.0 WAR, depending on how crappy they are

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Specifically, Russ

If you look at his updated ZiPS projections, his stats are virtually mirroring his poor 2009 season, where he ended up with a 1.6 WAR. Innings pitched, virtually the same. K/9 virtually the same. BB/9 down, even. ERA, down. FIP, about the same.

1.5 WAR, or thereabouts, that’s not too bad. And then, because his career is a yo-yo, he’s going to put up a 3.0 season. Seriously, look at his stats, in regards to WAR:

2008- 3.0
2009- 1.6
2010- 2.9
2011- On pace for about 1.5, based on his stat similarities to 2009.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we kept Cap, would he be, potentially, a Type A free agent?

I’m still never sure how they are assigned.

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by Jonathan. on Jun 12, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not even sure he would, simply because I think it takes two years into account.

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by Jonathan. on Jun 12, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It takes I think 3 years into account.

Chances are he’s no more than a type-B at best.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 12, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, unfortunate.

In all honesty, I’d like to see him re-signed.

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by Jonathan. on Jun 12, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

its a good thing

if we trade him and then resign him we dont lose any picks, we gain a prospect or two, and we have his services in the future. that said, I see no purpose in resigning anyone more than a year with the current guys we have and Familia/Harvey coming on quick.

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by astromets on Jun 12, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure although it's nice to have some depth with a

solid starter like Capuano.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it takes at least 2-3 years in account

and it also goes by traditional stats like W/L record, saves, ERA, etc. He’s not likely to be ranked just based on him missing all of 2008-2009.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cappy

quietly getting it done

Supporting terrible teams since I can remember

by Hawkins the Hammer on Jun 12, 2011 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Simon is working the weekend ?

what the…..

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Jun 12, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

padding his stats

That's poor, Eric, that's poor.

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by CTRefJay on Jun 12, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I lobby Angry Miz Girl be our next tough-loss recap picture

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

I'm a New Yorker born and bred. I support my Jets, Mets, Red Storm and Islanders. I also love my out-of-state Bulls, Clippers, Cowboys & Fighting Irish.

by Xfactor26 on Jun 12, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL It's okay.

He said weekend recaps are false hustle, not weekend applesauce.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah shaddap

You know you like the calamity of my Misch-interpretation.

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by Wright of passage on Jun 12, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you keep making trouble, it'll be a big Mischtake on your part.

One of these days, Wright of Passage...one of these days. POW! Right in the kisser.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you on a Misch-ion

to send me “Wright to the moon” with that shot to the kissa? LOL

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by Wright of passage on Jun 12, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Misch-ion from Dickey.

And when the great Lord Dickey sends me on a Misch-ion, I can’t ignore him.

Dickey Be Praised! R.A.men

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

R.A.men!

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

winning feels so much better

So the mets have hit back to back homers more recently than a slam….snake bitten

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jun 12, 2011 5:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

this team is fun to watch

except Jason Bays at-bats and when the pen implodes – which is like 50% of the time. Let’s make tomorrow our last day at or under .500 in 2011!

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by astromets on Jun 12, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I lobby this

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lobby'd x2

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That pic is full of win

On two levels.

the artist formerly known as TeufelCat
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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jun 12, 2011 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I realize

this team feels completely different without David Wright. It feels good.

by BJabs on Jun 12, 2011 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

What's that supposed to mean?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

it means

There are no concerns about who does what on this team. No one is trying to put Mr. Wright on the stat-producing pedestal. If the runs are out there, guys are going up the plate and cashing them in. There is no hierarchy.

There are no talks about who is the leader of the team. No one cares. It doesn’t matter. Guys are just producing and competing. Everything is free and easy and there’s a lot less pressure on everyone compared to when Wright is playing.

by BJabs on Jun 12, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It means our overall best player, or second best player, is not on the field

Only to the Braves, Marlins, Nationals, and Phillies, is this a good thing.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

second best player at accumulating stats

worst player in terms of effect on his teammates.

by BJabs on Jun 12, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you can't top this kind of stupid

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on Jun 12, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

And, if it somehow is, that person really deserves SiteBot Facepalm of the Week

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

^

the hierarchy mentality destroys the Mets

by BJabs on Jun 12, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where are you getting this "Hierarchy mentality" from?

Anyway, you call it “hierarchy mentality”, others call it “leadership”.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 12, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

riiiiiight

silly me to ask for evidence when you already made your point

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by astromets on Jun 12, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on, now

I was going to agree with you about the team playing “more relaxed”. Accusing him of dragging the team down with his play, I might give you a pass, but accusing Wright of being a bad influence in the clubhouse is just ignorant and retarded on your part.

Now, do everyone a favor, and go back to the NBA.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Jun 12, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

You’re so lost it’s amazing.

by graves9 on Jun 12, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

because stats aren’t awarded based on what happens on the field or anything…

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 12, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't you know?

They’re completely made up by stat geeks who look at their spreadsheets all night in their mom’s basements instead of going out on dates.

Hey stat geeks: LOOK UP FROM YOUR SPREADSHEETS AND ACTUALLY WATCH A GAME!!!

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about teh Ks ?

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Jun 12, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Monkeys choose who gets strikeouts.

They put up each pitcher’s picture in a laboratory and whoever’s picture the monkey throws its shit at gets a strikeout.

True story.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

*Home runs

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 12, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like your first thought better Og'z

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by Wright of passage on Jun 12, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No.

It’s determined by rolling dice in Strat-O-Matic.

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by StorkFan on Jun 12, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

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-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.

by Aidan Gibson on Jun 12, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He may just be verbalizing it "differently"

but with the dearth of agony and defeat we’ve experienced in recent years its no surprise someone perhaps doesn’t know what to make of the euphoria of a semblance of competence that could sustain us around the .500 mark beyond the break. Life sans Dubs is something I revile and probably will until he can no longer step into the box. However the unexpected success of our Buffalo Metropolitans and not having to deal with the franchise face being scapegoated intermittently is a bit of a reprieve. I truly miss Wright and hopefully it won’t be too much longer before he returns but I sure as hell don’t miss the dribble drabble that he was too frequently cornered into reciting.

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by Wright of passage on Jun 12, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

this is basically what I'm talking about

thanks for agreeing with me for the most part.

by BJabs on Jun 12, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats not what you said

you said he has a bad affect on his teammates by being good at accumulating stats

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Jun 12, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

except I didn't say that

I wasn’t making a connection between his stat production and his negative effect on the Mets. They are separate ideas, not connected in any way.

His negative effect comes from the hierarchy

by BJabs on Jun 12, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What negative effect from what hierarchy?

Please use facts to support your position.

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by Russ on Jun 12, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The most concrete fact I can get on this subject is a quote from a former player
But, you know, there’s still something missing there. I don’t know what it is the last couple of years. Watching them almost every day, there’s no leadership there. Nobody wants to step forward and be a leader. Something is missing and it’s hard to put your finger on it. They got some great, talented players — [Jose] Reyes and [David] Wright and [Carlos] Beltran, now [Johan] Santana’s there — but I just can’t put my finger on it. It seems like, to me, they’re not having fun, even when they were winning. Playing in New York, the pressure cooker here, so I’m sure there’s a lot of pressure on them, but they need to relax a little bit and look like they’re having fun. It kind of looks like they’re not having fun and everybody’s on their own page.

http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2009/07/former_closer_john_franco_rips.html

I fall into the “can’t put a finger on it” category.

by BJabs on Jun 12, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

Jose Reyes never has any fun playing baseball…

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 12, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not a concrete fact

That’s psychobabble masquerading as journalism.

Here’s a fact: A team that is full of players who perform well tend to win. Get 3.5+ fWAR production out of every starting position, and starting pitcher, and the team will contend. It’s that simple.

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by Russ on Jun 12, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

can we just resign him now and get it over with?

i dislike the thought of him not in orange and blue

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jun 12, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

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by Russ on Jun 14, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're quoting a comment appropriate for mid summer '09

while “injury wise” you could say its relevant to our current situation but our team is in a bit better overall standing than it was during what was essentially the epitome of a black hole season that it was back then.

"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"

by Wright of passage on Jun 12, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

John Franco is not in that locker room everyday, he has no idea

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Jun 12, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

He’s knows maybe a little more than we do at this point. It’s not like he’s the pitching coach or he’s on the team or something.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Franco is also a moron

So, there’s that, too.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

not the right person to lead the Mets

and his attempts just confuse his teammates. Everything is unnatural about David Wright trying to create a throne for himself.

by BJabs on Jun 12, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

When has he ever tried to create a "throne" for himself?

The only thing he did to make himself the face of the franchise was play very, very well and be himself – a likable guy.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 12, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok dude..

I was eloquently trying to shield you from the mob and now you shit the bed. You’re on your own dude.

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by Wright of passage on Jun 12, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

David Wright's job is not to lead the Mets

His job is to play third base.

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by Russ on Jun 12, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if he does exhibit leadership characteristics, why would that be bad?

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by Russ on Jun 12, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

everybody knows

you can't lead with a broken back

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Jun 12, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for Song of Ice and Fire Reference

Winter is Coming

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Jun 12, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

And OMG tonight’s episode was perfect if you didn’t see it.

by Evan_S on Jun 13, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

The way the media portrays everything, they make it seem like every good team has some emotional leader and they can only win if the leader knows what to say and knows how to act. The problem with that logic is that A) not every good team has that type of player and B) games are won on the field with production from generally players who are good at baseball, not in the locker room or in the dugout with smiles and “gritty” speeches. You could have a team with Jeff Francoeur, Alex Cora, David Eckstein, Craig Counsell, Orlando Hudson in the lineup everyday…5 of the leadery-est leaders in baseball and while you’d have a lot of “leaders”, that team would suck because none of them are that good at baseball.

Talent is lightyears more important than “chemistry” or “leadership”. You win because of talent and David Wright has that hands down.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

let me get this right mr.met

your telling me that having good players as a whole who do their jobs is more important that swagger and leadership?

talent=winz winz=ringz ringz=swagger?

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jun 12, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Who woulda thunk it?

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

amazing

why dont more teams follow that

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jun 12, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green'd

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Jun 12, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played

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by blueandorange4life on Jun 12, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alex Cora's job was to "lead", and he sucked. Now what?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is he the wrong person for the job of third baseman?

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by Russ on Jun 12, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't it obvious?

Through osmosis he makes historically mediocre baseball players regress to their mean!

"You're Darryl Strawberry!" "Yes?" "You play right field!" "Yes?" "Well, are you better than me?" "I've never met you.... but.... yes."

by Five-Tool Tool on Jun 12, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think

“dearth” means what you think it means.

by Eric Simon on Jun 12, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I totally fubar'd the contextualization

Should’ve said something like “dearth of moar winz”

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by Wright of passage on Jun 12, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well then.

Theres definitely been a dearth of that. Carry on.

by Eric Simon on Jun 12, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

always rec Princess Bride

"The Mets can't even do well in the Arab League."

by hnymustprtzl on Jun 13, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

DONT TRADE REYES

KEEP THE METS WRIGHT

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jun 12, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dumb dumb dumb dumb

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on Jun 12, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Where you coming from MMO, Metsblog or the Mofo?

Those places are havens for mongoesque Mets ’’fans’’

by graves9 on Jun 12, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what MMO or Mofo are, and I don't read Metsblog

I come from the NBA, Posting and Toasting is my posting domain, if you want to pinpoint my derivation.

by BJabs on Jun 12, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny stuff

I salute you even if I disagree with your trade Wright idea.

by graves9 on Jun 12, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why am I not surprised.

LOCKOUT 2012!

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 12, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is the Mofo?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a message board I used to post at

it pretty much a haven for Wfan types that hate the core and blame them for everything. They really are on a David Wright sucks and lets trade him kick. There is plenty of Yankee and Phillies envy as well. The site name is Nysportsday.com. The posters are unbearable for the most part.

by graves9 on Jun 12, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was

Penn & Teller’s Psychic Gorilla.

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Jun 12, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eww.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

boo

it would feel better with Wright at third and Turner/Murph at 2B

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Jun 12, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

infiedl

dubs
ray-ass
ginger
ike

ideally

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jun 12, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which of these is the "infidel"?

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by Wright of passage on Jun 12, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on who you are.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

how i say anything different?

just didnt specify 1B or SS

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Jun 12, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya didnt

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jun 12, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fainted

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by Xfactor26 on Jun 12, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fred Wilpon better start selling chocolate door to door or something

Because “7” is gonna cost him a hell of a lot of money, either in the form of a contract or lost ticket sales.

by AnthonyR on Jun 12, 2011 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

That's why Freddy's holding all of these soccer matches while the team's on the road.

He’s got to get some revenue from somewhere!

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever it takes

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah seriously

Tell the Red Bulls we’ll let them play there for a couple bucks. If that’s what gets Reyes re-signed, make it happen.

by bjk3047 on Jun 12, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Red Bulls already have an awesome arena...

International Friendlys and Club Friendlys will have to do.

The first one worked.

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by TKFJ on Jun 12, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoever else wants to come and play at Citi, then, if they have their own place.

Gonna ask my softball team if everyone wants to chip in like $25, and see if we can get Freddy Baseball to let us play for like $300.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every dollar helps.

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by TKFJ on Jun 12, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

a rare Jason Bay sighting

except where has all his “power” gone?

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by feslenraster on Jun 12, 2011 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Into the hole that Ogre

was drilling into the bottom of our league. Bahaha I kid I kid..

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by Wright of passage on Jun 12, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bayrut

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are we playing bold rules

get skunked a naked lap

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jun 12, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT BUT

CRUNCH WRAP SUPREMES ARE 99 CENTS THIS WEEK!!!!!!!!!! HOLY FUCK!!!!!

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jun 12, 2011 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Apparently

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

FUCK ME, THANKS FOR THE TIP!

GOING AT LEAST 5 TIMES THIS WEEK

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by NetsMets4Life on Jun 12, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then you'll probably be going here at least 5 times a day for the next week!

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Hairston get a start tomorrow

perhaps for Pagan in center field vs. the lefty.

by David G on Jun 12, 2011 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

lol wut?

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jun 12, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

Im down with Hairston starting, but its got to be for Bay. I wanted Hairston/Duda to start today, but it worked out.

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Jun 12, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Going in today

Pagan was 4 for 31 vs. lefties, or .129. Before you say “small sample”, for his career, he’s .242/.299./.399 as a righty. What’s the problem with giving Hairston an occasional start there vs. a lefty? So, “lol wut” yourself.

by David G on Jun 12, 2011 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree.

Hairston slugs the shit out of the ball against lefties for his career (.277/.332/.491). Doesn’t get on base, but whatever, the power he shows against lefties cancels that out.

He’s a nice bench bat/platoon starter and his OPS+ this season is better than Pagan, Bay, Willie Harris, and Josh Thole.

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by Five-Tool Tool on Jun 12, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are really going to have problems finding positions for guys

when Wright and Davis come back. Unless there is a trade, it would seem that Tejada will have to go to AAA to continue to play every day. We cant have a 20 year old on the bench

by Seaver73 on Jun 12, 2011 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

we dont have to do anything with him or the other guys just yet

let him play everyday in the minors and continue to boost his stock and same for Turnz/Murph at 2B. There will be trades, it will be interesting to see who Sandy bets on, but I think we got awhile (at least the offseason) until we see big decisions made.

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by astromets on Jun 12, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's too bad that we're stuck with Bay.

I guess when Beltran is gone we can finally keep Duda or FMart in the lineup fulltime.

by FrancoTAU on Jun 12, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know this is a bit down the line but

I wonder if Tejada keeps showing offensive competence, I wonder if they’d give him the starting job and shift Murphy and Turner to the bench as pinch hitters/occasional 2nd base starters. Obviously both have been hitting well in the lineup the past few weeks but if Tejada continues to hit reasonably well, he’s the best defensively of the three and having Murphy and Turner’s bats off the bench would give this team two excellent pinch hitters (meaning we wouldn’t have to see Willie Harris).

I know a lot of this is dependent on how they are all playing once Wright and Davis return but I wonder how much the front office values Tejada’s defense compared to Turner/Murphy’s offense? Not to mention that without Tejada in the majors, they have no backup SS on the roster and it seems like they really want that—I mean what was the purpose of keeping Hu on the team for so long?

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

it also depends on how/if other guys develop

everyone talks about Reese Havens, Josh Satin is showing HR power for the first time in his career and his bat may be able to carry his below average rates glove, Robbie Shields is older and may move fast through the organization too – I am sure he could adjust to 2B quick. we have many fallback options, which is a great thing

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by astromets on Jun 12, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, though this year the only guy you may see

for any significant time would be Satin, since he’s older. Shields won’t see ML time this year and Havens could in September but I’d be surprised if he did before that, unless he absolutely tore up Binghamton and Buffalo (and with Murphy, Turner and Tejada looking good, they have the option to take it slowly with him, which they might as well take at this point).

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

this year for sure

Thought we were talking about next year or the year after. As for backup SS, Turner could play it once in awhile

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by astromets on Jun 12, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think people are a little too quick to hand over a starting job to Tejada

He’s played well, but it’s a lot of babip luck, too, that will regress. Also, there’s no speed or power. Let him go back to AAA when Ike and Wright are both back. He’ll probably be slumping by then, anyway. In the meantime, let’s just enjoy and not necessarily annoint him as Gary Cohen keeps trying to do.

by David G on Jun 12, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course.

However, he has showed an improved approach from last year and has always has pretty good plate discipline for the most part in the minors. He’ll probably never be the hitters that Turner and Murphy are, but they’ll likely never have Tejada’s defensive ability. If Tejada continues to show some skills at the plate, I’d imagine the FO would take his defense into account when the decision is made, not to mention the fact that he probably doesn’t have a whole lot to work on in the minors…he basically is what he is at this point.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 12, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its Turner's job to lose at second

Until Havens can prove he’s for real and stays healthy. Turner seems like the most realistic chance otherwise of having a competent glove and solid ML average bat. I just don’t believe Tejada’s bat is for real. He’ll let a pitcher walk him but that’s about it.

by FrancoTAU on Jun 13, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

My head nearly assploded...

when I read the convo in the middle of these comments.

Well at least we won.

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by TKFJ on Jun 12, 2011 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

He was prob a Labron fan and cried himself to sleep.

Lockout 2012!

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 12, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck the Heat

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by NetsMets4Life on Jun 12, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Going to be an extra long...

offseason for the Shmeat.

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