Mets 8, Rangers 5: Hello Again, .500
The Mets once again evened their record this afternoon as they defeated the Rangers, scoring eight more runs without hitting a home run and playing mostly excellent defense.
Jose Reyes singled to begin the game and stole second base early in the count. He didn't have an opportunity to move to third on Justin Turner's subsequent infield single to shortstop, but he advanced when Carlos Beltran flew out to right field. With runners on the corners, Derek Holland threw a pitch that ran inside to Jason Bay and got away from Rangers catcher Taylor Teagarden. Reyes scored easily on the play, but Bay and Scott Hairston each grounded out to end the inning. The Mets had an early one-run lead.
Dillon Gee could have fared far worse in the game, and the first inning was a prime example. Gee got two quick outs and allowed a solo home run to Michael Young to tie the game, which isn't the worst thing a pitcher can do. Three consecutive singles later, the Rangers had taken a 2-1 lead, and Gee then walked David Murphy to load the bases.
Gee then got some help from his defense. Teagarden came up to the plate and smoked a ground ball to Reyes' left, but Reyes somehow managed to snag the ball and was sitting down as he threw to second base to get the force to end the inning. The Rangers would have easily had two more runs if not for Reyes' play.
The Mets' bats were quick to answer in the top of the second. Ronny Paulino singled, and he easily went first-to-third on Daniel Murphy's single that followed. Angel Pagan then grounded to third baseman Adrian Beltre, and with Paulino breaking for the plate and out by a mile, Beltre's throw went wide of the plate, deflecting off Teagarden's glove and allowing Paulino to score standing up.
After a pop out by Ruben Tejada, Reyes lined a single to drive in Murphy. Turner flew out to right field, but Pagan and Reyes each tagged up to advance a base. It appeared Reyes was thrown out at second base, but the umpire called him safe so the inning continued. Beltran wasted no time taking advantage of the opportunity, singling up the middle to score both runners and give the Mets a 5-2 lead.
Both lineups were quiet until the bottom of the fourth inning, when Dillon Gee issued a leadoff walk and one-out single before Ian Kinsler hit a deep fly ball to center field. This time, Gee was bailed out by Pagan, who jumped to catch the ball just shy of the fence. Once again, the rangers would have easily had another pair of runs if not for the defense.
The Rangers did score in the bottom of the fifth, though, after Endy Chavez doubled to start the inning. Michael Young singled Chavez in to get the Rangers within two, and the threat continued when Turner made an error on a hard ground ball that most likely would have been a double play had he fielded it cleanly. Then Gee got some more help.
Nelson Cruz grounded to Reyes, who opted to try to get the out at third base, and Turner made like Willie Harris as he missed the bag with his feet and applied a tag in the force situation. His tag was late, but Turner got the benefit of another poor call by the umpires as the runner was called out. The help didn't end there. Mitch Moreland scorched a grounder down towards first base, but Murphy dove to make an outstanding play and threw the runner out at second. One routine fly ball later, Gee got out of the inning.
The Mets added a pair of very important insurance runs in the sixth. Paulino doubled, and although Daniel Murphy took a two-strike pitch right down the middle of the plate, it was called a ball by the home plate umpire. Murphy then flicked a double down the left field line to score Paulino. Tejada then singled, and the Mets had a 7-3 lead.
Gee's afternoon would have probably ended after the fifth if they Mets had not added that pair of runs, but yet again, he got some help from his defense. With no one out and runners on first and second, Turner, Tejada, and Murphy combined to turn a very nice double play before Gee got Endy to ground out for his final out of the afternoon.
Pedro Beato, Tim Byrdak, and Jason Isringhausen combined to retire six straight Rangers in the seventh and eighth before Jose Reyes, batting left-handed, drilled his fourteenth triple of the year into the right-center field gap. It was his fourth hit of the day, and Reyes continues to amaze.
Reyes eventually came around to score after Turner flew out to right, Beltran was intentionally walked, and Bay hit a ground ball so weak that the Rangers couldn't turn the double play they would have needed to prevent Reyes from getting home from third.
Despite the big lead, Terry Collins called upon Francisco Rodriguez, who has struggled of late and had only pitched twice since June 16, to pitch the ninth. Faster than you can say "K-Rod," the Rangers scored a pair of runs on a single by Andres Blanco, a walk to Kinsler, a double by Endy, and a Michael Young ground out. Fortunately, Rodriguez retied Beltre and Cruz to escape the inning, and the Mets had taken the series.
SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* Lone Star Ball Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: Jose Reyes, +18.3% WPA
Big losers: Jason Bay, -6.1% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Carlos Beltran two-run single in the second, +14.8% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Mitch Moreland RBI single in the first, -10.2% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: +9.0% WPA
Total batter WPA: +41.0% WPA
GWRBI!: Daniel Murphy
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by MetsFans4Deacdes; her effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
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| 1 | MetsFan4Decades | 108 |
| 2 | JeffreyScott | 84 |
| 3 | mistermet | 79 |
| 4 | KeithsMoustache | 77 |
| 5 | Russ | 55 |
| 6 | aparkermarshall | 52 |
| 7 | graves9 | 48 |
| 8 | TMS | 42 |
| 9 | Cranky50 | 40 |
| 10 | santana9237 | 39 |
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So...lose a series at home to the Angels, win a series on the road in Texas
This team is baffling
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
.500
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 26, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
but .500 teams are usually decent at home, and terrible on the road.
We can beat good teams on the road, but can’t beat shitty teams like the Astros at home.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
we're the Mets
everything must be done back-asswards
One day, this team is going to kill me.
by fxcarden on Jun 26, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The George Costanza School of Baseball
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
I wish that Jeffy would do a Costanza
and always do the exact opposite of what he thinks that he should do.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
But
what if that is what he’s been doing?
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
Thinking about that makes my head hurt
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it's realy simple

"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Terry Collins
bullpen maestro
at least the offense makesup for it and we’re at .500 Go Mets!
Hell of a series win
This was a pretty crappily pitched game by Gee, but he got a ton of defensive help. Reyes had another monster offensive game , but the defensive play he made to save two runs was the biggest play of the game. If Reyes doesn’t make that play Gee might not get out of the first inning. The reason he lasted six innings was because of not only Reyes’ play but also tremendous and run saving plays by Murphy and Pagan. He also got a big double play splendidly turned by Turner, Tejada and Murph. Murph is starting to hit again if only he’d stop trying to steal bases. Beltran continues to kill it while Bay continues to blow. I can’t figure out what was uglier that outing by KRod or some of the throws Turner makes, I’d suggest KRod’s outing. Imo he never should have been in there up five runs.
Is that Ron Wood on your avatar
Agree with you about K-Rod. So would Ron Wood
yea, who knew?
we should look into singing him or something
Not for nothing but Murphy got extremely lucky in the 6th with that ball. Look at the PitchFX for his PA
Look at the fifth pitch. That is some seriously bad umpiring.
by aparkermarshall on Jun 26, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions
It was a close play
but replays showed the Ump got the call at 2B with Reyes right.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
On the other hand
the call at 3B where Turner missed the bag was atrocious. I suppose we can say it’s a karmic makeup when they called the same sort of play against us with Willie Harris at 3B when the runner was actually out.
by dontstopbelieving on Jun 26, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Reyes call at 2b
I got the ranger broadcast last night on my MLB package and their broadcasters were pretty peeved over that call. They only showed the replay a few times and from the angle they showed it did look like the ump goofed. They made reference to that call several times later throughout the night as well. Did he miss the tag?
by MatthewM11 on Jun 27, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Reyes held the base at 2B (it was a force play).
It was the play at 3B with Turner they had a reason to be mad about.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
thanks
And they (tex broadcasters) did reference that play quite a bit, since it would have been the third out and the Mets scored some runs afterwards. They didnt realize it was a force play. They also did take umbrage with the Turner play and the Murphy ball that should of been strike three.
So, I work all weekend, and don't get to watch an inning. The Mets proceed to score 22 runs the past two games.
It's obvious; this team hates me.
The 2011 New York Mets: Limit the Damage
Honestly,
you just can’t predict these series anymore. I mean, who had the Mets taking 2 of 3 in TX?
I’ll be convinced to throw out the 8ball all together if Pelf manages to beat Verlander later this week.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 26, 2011 6:59 PM EDT reply actions
20 runs against Verlander.
Book it.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 26, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll run him in the second inning.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 27, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Collins - K-Rod
I haven’t seen Collins start warming up a K-Rod replacement so early. Good sign I thought. Also time to send Jason B to Buffalo to get his swing back. He’s lost now. The one 3-3 doesn’t change anything. Will allow a full run for Duda to see what he’s got.
Reyes
He only saw 11 pitches in 5 ABs.
WHERE IS THE PATIENCE?!?!!?
Someone learn me
How do I do the sarcastic font?
by DannyMetsGeek on Jun 26, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i think at this point
anything negative about reyes will be assumed to be sarcastic
You type @whatever you feel like typing@
So KRod is the bestest closer ever
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Ahh thank you so much
Let me try it…
We'll keep hitting until David Wright messes up our lineup chemistry
by DannyMetsGeek on Jun 26, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He's basically Vlad Guerrero in his prime this year.
He’s swinging at everything but making solid contact regardless.
Except he's actually swinging at less balls than normal.
41.8 Swing% this year compared to 44.7% for his career.
The difference is that he’s making better contact (90.0 Contact% compared to 86.5% for his career) – especially in the strikezone (4.0 SwStr% compared to 6.0% for his career).
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
by Ogre39666 on Jun 26, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Texas fans now know how we feel
This is just the type of game we are on the other side of. A team we should beat at home? Bad calls, BABIP gods both in our favor? A late comeback comes up short?
He is superb defensively
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
And even if he wasn't
I defy you to find a Mets fan who will say anything negative about his defense.
again only thing that pissed me off was bringing in K-Rod
not necessary, closer to the vest and he pitched badly to boot.
What you call "pitching badly"
Some call pitching to the situation. It's what good pitchers do.
I haven’t given up hoping against the vest, so I’m thinking maybe TC is trying to mess with FR’s head and get him to suck hard enough that the Players Association won’t raise a stink when he gets replaced. I should really just accept this vest and move on.
Or we might trade him.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 27, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
the Jekyll and Hyde performance of this team over the last month
has me so frustrated. I don’t think they’re a playoff team and then they take 2/3 from the defending AL champs or the NL Central favorite Brewers. I do think they may have a shot and then they go and lose 2/3 at home to the Angels or split a series with the Pirates.
I hope (and believe) that Sandy knows what he’s doing at the deadline. The last thing this team needs is another flat September preceded by absolutely no trade activity (ether buying or selling) in July/August. Do I want the Mets to keep Jose? You bet your sweet asses I do. Do I want them to make a run in September? Absofuckinglutley. But would I be uspet if they traded Jose for Tex like haul (that is, when the Rangers first traded Texiera)? If they let Beltran go for good prospects and focused on the future? No, I don’t think I would be. At the very least, I have faith in Sandy that he won’t let, say, Carlos Beltran go for a bag of peanuts unlike our previous GM with Billy Wagner.
Reyes wouldn't get a Tex haul, because Tex still had a year and a half left on his deal
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
a desperate team would still pay in full
to get the (prospective) NL MVP. would it be comparable to what Tex got the first time he was dealt? no, probably not. but reports (lol) say that Sandy would accept nothing less than a deal that would “blow him away.” If he got that deal and pulled the trigger, would I be upset? maybe. but not as much as in the alternate case where Reyes walks away in FA.
Plus in my opinion Texas basically came out even at best
Tex is still putting up more or roughly even WAR as Felix and Andrus combined. And they had to wait years for those guys to be even this good. It was only a good deal because they didn’t have the money to sign him. If the Mets’ checks don’t bounce, they should give all available money to Reyes— he’ll be close to worth it at the very least, and the cost of losing him goes beyond just the wins they’ll lose because of not having him, because fans like the inherent fun of the specific way in which Reyes goes about being valuable (it’s unique, which is why his most comparable player on B-Ref was born in 1891). And there’s the home-grown factor— people would like Beltran more if he came up on the Mets.
And you’re not going to rebuilt a farm system by trading Reyes.
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Jun 26, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Well put
You get a rec
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I'd rather miss the playoffs with Reyes than lose in the divisional or NLCS without him
But it’s a false choice anyway. I really don’t see a trade making us a better team even in the best-case scenario. Trading a player like Reyes is a small market move to tread water. The only defense of a Reyes trade would be a payroll below 90 million, or something along those lines.
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Jun 26, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
And you know what?
Sandy Alderson is a smart guy, and I’m confident that he gets all this.
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Jun 26, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and two greens in a row for you
I LIKE IKE!
Mets have 73 million bucks tied up in 6 players for next year
So you’re going to need a hell of a lot more than 90 million bucks to keep Reyes
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
We can keep Reyes and have a payroll of about $100M.
There wouldn’t be room for basically anything else, but we’d have Reyes.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
I'd love to see it
But it’d be incredibly unlikely that Sandy makes resigning Reyes his only offseason move, and fields the rest of the roster with minor leaguers.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
is that worth it?
you’d become like the A-Rod led Rangers. Sure you’d have the best player in the league on your team, but you would also suck ass as a team.
yeah, I agree
but on principal, I am against putting all the eggs in one basket (god forbid, if something were to happen to him), unless it’s enough to put the team over the top. And, as we see now, a Reyes led Mets team STILL isn’t enough. If I was the Giants or the Reds and I had enough money to either sign Jose or spread it around the team, I would sign Jose. He would instantly make them a favorite in the respective division.
in your example (should the team really be “capped” at $100M), you can sign Jose but not build around, which is a no-no to me. Of course, I don’t believe the Mets will be THAT cash strapped, so it’s whatever!
I too don't think there will be a hard $100M cap
but even if there is, you sign him. What are you going to replace him with and how is it going to help us in the future more than Jose Reyes would?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
I don't think it's a matter of helping
but I would not sign him if that is a hard cap. you take too much risk in case of injury (and I’m not one of those LOL REYES IS ALWAYS HURT people but injuries do happen), you can’t afford to build around him anymore, and you’re still not a playoff team.
I wouldn’t sign ANY player that hamstrung the team’s financials if it wasn’t enough to put the team over the top is what I’m saying, not just Reyes.
It's a hard cap for one, maybe two years.
I’m not going to sacrifice 5-6 years of Jose Reyes for 1 or 2 years of non-“hamstrung”-ness.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Don't forget that
just because that scenario didn’t work in Texas with A-Rod, doesn’t mean it won’t work here. These are different players, different contracts, different GM’s, different minor league systems, on and on. By all accounts, back in 2001, the Rangers were a shitty team with absolutely no pitching. A-Rod’s acquisition wasn’t going to cure the obvious pitching woes of that team. Now I understand the Mets have their own pitching woes, but their pitching is much better than those Ranger teams were and they have some hope in the minors in Mejia, Harvey and Familia in the short term.
While the money might be tight, it wouldn’t be completely cut off. They’d still likely have a little wiggle room, as I imagine payroll lands in the 110-120 million range. Quite honestly, there’s not going to be a ton for the Mets to spend money on on the FA market anyway. If you don’t sign Jose, who are you expecting the Mets to spend that money on in the FA or trade market? I think Sandy realizes how important Jose is and he’s not going to let Jose walk away just to save the 11 million in salary Jose is making this season for some stud players that probably won’t be available.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 27, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I was speaking
Figuring the money would be used to fuel a “solid” overall team that still had flexibility to acquire other players.
I believe Kenny Williams said he wouldn’t pay $30M to Pujols if he couldn’t do anything else after that. He would prefer to spread it around. And I agree with that principle, if that player wouldn’t be enough to put the team over the top. But the Mets are going to be hamstrung at most for 3 years before new ownership can take over, so it’s somewhat irrelevant in this case.
I'm expecting $120 million or so
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Jun 26, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's way to high
They have sixty million dollars coming off the books this year, and I don’t see them handing out 40 million dollars worth of contracts to get back up to 120 mil
Excellent comment.
Rec’d.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 26, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
There won't be a Tex like haul for Reyes
The Mets would have to trade Reyes to one of the few teams that have one the best minor league systems, and none of those teams are considered to be potential destinations for Reyes.
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Can we please stop using K-Rod in non-save situations?
Do we want to kill ALL his trade value?
Which brings me to a question…if we release K-Rod at say 50 games finished, and another team picks him up, would we potentially be on the hook for the option if they use him as a closer and he meets the vest (since we would technically be on the hook for the remainder of his contract)?
Not sure
his trade value would be too affected since he’d likely be headed to a setup role, rather than a closer’s. Seems to be the way those trades go these days.
But still, unbelievably stupid to let him finish today’s game. If you want to get him work, do it in the 8th.
Again, it isn't Terry's job to manage the vest
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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While true, if Terry wants to manage another year it is in his interest.
by FrancoTAU on Jun 26, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If Terry wants to manage next year, he needs to try to win as many games as possible
and managing the vest has nothing to do with that.
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There's absolutely no chance he gets fired after this year. None.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Agreed,
the mets are at .500 almost at the all-star break without ike, david and johan. As much of that has been because of Jose, terry’s been managing very good.
by letsgomets31 on Jun 26, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Chip Hale is willing to stay on board that long.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
He was my favorite of the guys Sandy interviewed for the managerial position
Teams seem to be hiring retreads and older managers the past few years.
Its no secret around here how much I like him.
I just hope he’s not the next Manny Acta – a forward thinking guy we have for a few years but leaves when he gets skipped over.
I can see why they didn’t give him the job last offseason (because this was a “rebuilding” team and they didn’t want to put that pressure on a first-time MLB manager and he’s probably the best 3B coach in the league), but I hope he get’s the opportunity in 2013.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
And by junk I mean Willie Harris, Jason Bay and most of the bullpen
by Evan_S on Jun 26, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 20 recs
lol
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
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by NetsMets4Life on Jun 26, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Early frontrunner
for AA Quote of the Week?
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
LOLOLOL
That’s a fireable offense in my book.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 26, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Brilliant
Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
by Aidan Gibson on Jun 27, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Well played sir
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by blueandorange4life on Jun 27, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
woww
this is awesome.
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Jun 27, 2011 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Fine
but how is him pitching with a five run lead good managing regardless of the vest?
It’s about as good as bringing in Isringhausen to get a .190 hitter out with nobody on base.
He needs the work to stay sharp
K-Rod has not pitched much lately, which was clear today. K-Rod is more effective when he pitches with greater frequency.
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I said this multiple times in the game thread
but up 5, with an opportunity to win 2 out of 3 against a good team made this game a must-win. there is no need to mess around with carrasco or acosta. Also, 5 runs against the rangers offense in their park is not that much, and judging by krod’s struggles, its not ridiculous to believe anyone else terry put in there would have struggled more and made the game closer. And finally, as everyone else said, he needs work, and there is a day off tomorrow
by letsgomets31 on Jun 26, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If Carrasco and Acosta...
cannot get 3 outs, they should not be here.
We already know that the Acostalypse should not be here.
I’m sorry but there truly is not any justification for using K-Rod, other than his supposed ability to pitch better when he gets more work.
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We saw Acosta give up 4 runs the other night
I bet you wouldn’t think it would be a good idea to use him if he had blown up and let the rangers back in it, wouldn’t you? The use of Krod shut the door on the series and got him work. Its not like krod pitched horribly. He gave up a couple of runs but was hurt by and error and might have had an easier rest of the inning if his defense got that first out behind him,
by letsgomets31 on Jun 26, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
K-Rod does not do "easy" innings...
very frequently.
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The difference between Krod and acosta
is Krod doesn’t have easy innings but almost always does his job in the end
Acosta doesn’t have easy innings and blows up and gives up alot of runs.
by letsgomets31 on Jun 26, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I never suggested Acosta...
should be a closer, or could do K-Rod’s job.
But if you can’t get 3 outs without surrendering 5 runs…well.
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Obviously acosta can,
but against the rangers in their tiny park, its not even close to a guarantee that he does. I never said you said he should be closer (don’t know where you got that from), but if Terry doesn’t use Krod there, he probably goes to acosta or carrasco and I’m trying to argue why it was a good idea to avoid that.
by letsgomets31 on Jun 26, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have used Izzy in the ninth
There was no reason to take Brydak out, after getting the first two outs in the eight.
Yeah that was weird.
Pulling out Byrdak with 2 outs with a what…5 run lead? I probably would just let him close out the inning at that point and use Izzy in the 9th, but I could also understand the argument for using Frankie in the 9th.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 26, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd imagine if he's released,
that would basically nullify the vest. The Mets released Alex Cora last year before his vest kicked in and he played in a few games with Texas later in the year. I’d imagine, since Frankie would be signing a brand new contract with whatever team he was with, that would end the agreement for the vest.
However, they’d probably face legal action from Frankie and the player’s association, considering he’s pitching well enough and it’d be obvious that they were just trying to ditch the vest.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 26, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Did not have a chance...
to watch the last 2 games and the Mets manage to win.
Next game will surely be a loss now
K-Rod decision is baffling, and he has been pretty awful lately.
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It's not baffling
Terry believes he needs frequent work to be effective, and it would be clearly aimed at the vest to put him in before the ninth, so I assume they want to avoid the bad feelings and possible further repercussions from doing that. It is beyond clear at this point that the team is not managing to the vest. Maybe they think it’s a near certainty they trade him, maybe they figure they can fold the vest into a more reasonable extension, who knows. But he is going to pitch regularly in the ninth until he’s traded.
He will not vest
We will either trade him to a team with a closer or, interestingly, trade FOR a closer such as Heath Bell and relegate KRod to setup status.
by brooklynberger on Jun 26, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still not opposed to destroying the vest,
and resigning him for more years and less $. Say what you want, he’s still a good closer and better than any free agent we could find.
by letsgomets31 on Jun 26, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a problem with this because his velocity has been declining
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Also, we should be developing relievers internally
not acquiring them on the free agent market.
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I agree with the reliever premise
But it’s going to take time to develop relievers internally. I think our change in draft philosophy should help in this regard, but tearing up the vest and signing K-Rod to bridge the gap might be acceptable if the terms makes sense.
I just don’t see the overwhelming motivation on K-Rod’s side to do a little extension unless it was a bad contract for the Mets.
by DannyMetsGeek on Jun 26, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep an eye on Josh Edgin
We drafted him last year out of Francis Marion University. Edgin is 24, and ee was recently promoted to Hi-A. He has been lights out. Relievers can move through a farm system much faster than starters. If he is promoted to AA before the year is out, and continues to be lights out, Edgin should be considered a candidate for the 2012 bullpen – perhaps as a stopper.
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Edgin
I like what I’m hearing about Edgin. And I’ve heard some good things about Manny Alvarez, too (injury notwithstanding).
We definitely have a few intriguing pen arms, which is a nice departure.
But if we’re going to have to pay $17M for one year of K-Rod, and that number might impact re-signing Reyes, then it might make sense for the Mets to bite the bullet and sign K-Rod to an extension of some sort. The Mets can’t look at his contract in a vacuum, unfortunately,
My thing is, I don’t see why K-Rod would do it.
by DannyMetsGeek on Jun 26, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
They can just trade him to the Yankees at the deadline and pay the buyout, or something
It feels inevitable to me that that’s what’s going to happen. It just makes so much sense for both teams.
by Brooklyn Tar Heels on Jun 26, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So the yanks can spend $50 million on bullpen arms
And we have to hear about trading Reyes or Wright because they make to much money? Is this team in KC or NY? Just wondering
Alvarez, De La Torre, Carson, Armando Rodriguez, Holt, Merritt, and Goeddel
are all candidates to be in the 2012 bullpen.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Erik Goeddel?
He’s a started in Lo-A.
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I thought after his injury problems the consensus was he was likely a bullpen arm?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
I wasn't aware of that
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I never heard that.
He should be starting at least a little while longer.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 26, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
Couple of guys you mentioned are in A ball. I doubt they come all that quickly. I’m not sure Holt can will be an asset out of the pen with his command issues.
Relievers can move through farm systems much faster than starters
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
That's why Mejia made the club last year
Right? Right?
If Edgin keeps pitching the way he has
he’ll be up in the majors in no time. There’s a good shot he gets pushed up to Double A at some point in July. According to Toby Hyde:
Edgin has a pair of big league pitches, a fastball that’s been 93ish and touched 96 on occasion and a wipeout slider in the low 80s. He’s played around with adding a two-seam fastball and a changeup, but his fastball and slider are his meal tickets. He throws the slider to both lefties and righties. His command can come and go, but he’s very legit. He’s 24, and I hope to see him get a chance at AA after a few outings to help St. Lucie.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 26, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree. Nothing wrong with FA relievers
What’s wrong is paying them $10 million a year.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
That ten million could be going to you.
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by NetsMets4Life on Jun 26, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well his decreased velocity
hasn’t seemed to affect him this year. he’s seemed to be better at mixing up his pitches
by letsgomets31 on Jun 26, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
What if his velocity continues to decline?
That’s a plausible scenario considering his age, and his season-by-season trend of declining velocity,
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Well a 3 year deal means the mets would have him untill hes 32
I wouldn’t say its likely he keeps losing velocity, especially since hell still be kind of young. 3 years also would give the mets time to develop a closer in their farm system.
by letsgomets31 on Jun 26, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He was throwing harder earlier this year though.
His velocity dropped at some point in May and not surprisingly, he’s put up a 7.20 ERA in June. In April and most of May, he was throwing low 90’s and touching 94 but lately he’s been sitting around 88 and touching 90, a huge drop off. Let’s hope it’s just a bit of a tired arm or something. That kind of drop takes him from a great closer to merely a decent closer.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 26, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed..
if we can unload K-Rod there should be little to no hesitation.
I just don’t like paying that type of money for a closer, who is certainly not in his prime.
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I agree
but if they can’t, signing him to a new deal would save the mets money and they’d be able to still have a good closer
by letsgomets31 on Jun 26, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd prefer to move on at this point
He’s having one of the worst years of his career, and unless he magically finds velocity, it’s only going to get worse.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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He has a 1.46 WHIP
He’s been horrible in June, his K rate is down and lefties are killing him.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
His K/9 is slightly lower than last year, his BB/9 is slightly higher and his FIP is 3.00
His xFIP is lower than it was last year at 3.13, he’s still having a very good season.
Yea I agree that the
first option should be trading him but that may be available and if so, I’m saying it’d be alot better to pay 3 years/21(?) million than 1 year/17.5 million
by letsgomets31 on Jun 26, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would anyone agree to that?
I sure as crap wouldn’t
I believe in one Dickey, Maker of knuckles and balls
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Jun 26, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankie says he wants to stay with the Mets
but that’s pushing it, I would assume.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 26, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I highly doubt he agrees to 3/21.
That’d be a huge paycut for him. He’s making like 11.5 million this year. I’d imagine he’d want at least that amount per year…probably 12 million per year. I highly doubt he’s taking less money per year than he’s been making along with ripping up that vest.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 26, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats why I put the question mark
I wasn’t sure how much he was making this year so it was tough to tell what would be a reasonable amount if he signed for more years
by letsgomets31 on Jun 26, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see them trading for Bell
He is a pending free agent, and the Padres would like something good in return.
by graves9 on Jun 27, 2011 12:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Respectfully, TK -
please don't watch
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 26, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This .500 thing is fun
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only fun when when you get above it
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by Jadden Hopkins on Jun 26, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry if this makes your eyes bleed but, this really happened today.....
My son introduced me to AA about 18 months ago. He has, on occasion, posted here and he and I have developed a special relationship that goes beyond the normal father / son stuff. These days, we speak text to each other in “internetz” with a decidedly AA flavor. Today is his 25th b-day, and he had been watching the entire game vs. the Rangers, while I was busy doing this and that around the house with an occasional check in at the game thread. When we got into the car, K-Rod was starting the 9th inning. To give you a better visual of the situation = dad (me) driving, son riding shotgun, mom in the back. As we pull out of the driveway, the following conversation (condensed) took place all the way to the restaurant.
Son: why is K-Rod in this game ?. We are up 8-3.
Me: The Vest
Mom: Huh ?
……K-Rod proceeds to semi-implode as we cringe while driving along, while mom uses colorful metaphors to express her disapproval of his performance
Me: Wouldn’t it be great if we could look ahead 10 minutes and find out the outcome, and then come back here and decide if we need to keep listening ?
Mom: Why can’t you wait 10 minutes and find out ?
Me: I want to know now, not 10 minutes from now, and that’s my stance
Son: (laughing his ass off) this was one of the best decisions I ever made
Me/Mom : what’s that ?.
Son: introduce dad to AA …. it has definitely enriched our lives
Mom: huh ?.
Me: huh ?
Son: well, now we have something extra to talk about everyday, and I’m sure mom appreciates the fact that you leave her alone every night while you go play in the game thread
Me: sometimes, your mom IS part of the game thread
Son: huh ?
Mom: huh ?
Me: you don’t want to know
( arriving at restaurant …. )
Me: should we listen to the last out ?.
Son: I’m hungry
Mom: ugh
Me: yeah, you’re right….gas is too expensive to keep the engine running
(exit car, go into restaurant)
Mom: make sure we get a table where we can see the TV
Me: doesn’t matter, game is over ( I saw the final score )
Son: (looking in his iPhone – Reyes got 4 hits and hit another triple)
Mom: holy shit, he’s going to cost a fortune
One day, this team is going to kill me.
by fxcarden on Jun 26, 2011 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 16 recs
Rec'd
especially since you managed to get the second generation to grow up and stay a Met fan.
In my family, 1st and 2nd generation are Met fans.
Third generation is a weird mix of Yankee and Philly fans.
Oh wise one - where did we go wrong?
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 26, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
My family's the opposite
my dads a phillies fans Im obviously a mets fan
by letsgomets31 on Jun 26, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? I couldn't tell.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
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by NetsMets4Life on Jun 26, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
with a handle like that
it was impossible to tell if you were a troll
One day, this team is going to kill me.
If my dad was a Phillies fan...
I’d probably have to take a vow of silence.
Irrational Mets fan known for memorable ranting and raving, when things inevitably go wrong.
pssst....
steal his car and have Mr. Met painted on the hood.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
lol
not a bad idea. I’ve always thought of as a prank to paint my parents’ room blue an dorange
by letsgomets31 on Jun 26, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Or a vendetta
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"ARSHAVIN IS MAGIC" -Brooks Peck
by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 27, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
how did that happen?
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well
you just can't teach these young'uns anything
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 26, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
My wife will sometimes
claim to be a Marlins fan just to piss me off. That’s my fault for taking her to a mets-Marlins game while we were dating. (Of course, she couldn’t name one if her life depended on it.) No to worry — the kids are being brought up the right way (so far) — that will make 3 generations.
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
Happy birthday fxcarden jr.
Glad you got winzz today.
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
B'day salutations from me as well.
25….a very nice age. You’re whole lifetime of adventures ahead of you.
In my mind I’m still in my early 20s. Too bad my mind can’t fool my body into believing it.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 26, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you on that one :)
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
I wonder who he is?
Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
by Aidan Gibson on Jun 27, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
As in poster name
Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
by Aidan Gibson on Jun 27, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Does he tend to end his sentences with #54?
And then repeat those sentences, again ending in #54?
I for one welcome our new hedge fund overlord.
fxcardenson#54
fxcardenson#54
Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
by Aidan Gibson on Jun 27, 2011 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd
I love it
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Jun 27, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
This should be a regular feature!
Give it some catchy sit-com name like “Out at Home”, or something.
The 2011 New York Mets: Limit the Damage
this could work
I’d be a large contributor. Make it happen Jay.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
Wow
how did I miss this? Did you guys know about this during the game?
Saw this on ESPN:
Fletcher threw out both Washington and Elvis Andrus, who sat out Sunday with a sore wrist. Mets manager Terry Collins was given a choice to throw out one of the Rangers because of the constant complaining coming out of the Texas dugout.
Collins chose Andrus in an act of sportsmanship. Young, apparently, was the one voicing his displeasure the loudest and before his next at-bat shared a knowing smile with Collins.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 26, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
Not during the game
I found out after. Nice move by terry throwing out a guy who couldn’t play anyway.
by letsgomets31 on Jun 26, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently the Rangers fans
are none too happy. Can’t say I blame them to an extent b/c we did get a few calls go our way, such as that Murph ball 3 that should have been strike 3.
Also:
The umpires had to get a police escort from the stadium .
good thing the Mets got out of Dodge tonight. I could have got ugly
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 26, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Collins was actually trying to get an active player thrown out
Because the ump didn’t know who was yelling they had to throw someone out so the Ump asked Washington to choose. Naturally it was Andrus who was inactive. Collins spoke on it in the post game.
Lets just hope/pretend it was Collins' choice
it makes us look better. you gotta have class to win ringz
btw, anyone else notice
Gee shaved his head after the game? solid move!
by brooklynberger on Jun 26, 2011 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
Pretty sure it was shaved before.
He didn’t have any sideburns.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
I think he shaved it after last game
the bad one
I LIKE IKE!
Yeah I noticed the shaved head
Must have been the heat issue
By the way
Has anyone heard any explanation about how the ball four was missed during Saturday’s game. Was there a time out, or a foul tip on one of the balls or was it a pure blown call by the umpires and lack of attention by Texas
Gary said that Washington told him that he thought it was ball four but wasn't enough to bring it up.
Whatever that means.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Does anyone know why Duda didn't start today?
by Criss Angel Couldn't Make Frenchy Vanish on Jun 27, 2011 1:08 AM EDT reply actions
Well he went 4-4 with 3 2B's and 4 RBI's
the other night. why would you throw him out there the next day especially with the position he can handle, the DH
Apparently
this guy has serious problems maintaining any confidence. Perhaps he suffers from anxiety. I think Terry feared he might go 0-5 with 4 strikeouts against the lefty and opted for resting him. I think when you are a manager, you have to take little things like personal fragility inot consideration.
You forgot to use the sarcasm font
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newspapers.
they are becoming pretty anonymous, actually. Duda has made comments about being too nervous when he has been brought up to the bigs. Gary was talking about it the other day as well. Just too high strung, I guess. I simply postulated that Terry might be trying rto give him a few soft landings to keep his confidence up.
Don't you know?
He the latest head-case on the team with a fragile psyche. Pelfrey, Thole, Duda, (I’m sure I’m missing somebody else); they’re all nut-jobs!
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Yeah, I noticed that....
even Santana is too nervous to come back
One day, this team is going to kill me.
Don't forget John Maine and Ollie Perez.
They were both nutjobs too back when they were with us!
Obviously the Mets robbed an insane asylum's baseball team when looking for players
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 27, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Lefty, presumably.
Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
by Aidan Gibson on Jun 27, 2011 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions

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