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Mets Prospect Mailbag: The (Past, Present and) Future of Second Base?

Abhorsen asks:

At the moment, Ruben Tejada is playing second base very well from a defensive standpoint, and is hitting well enough.  Justin Turner has shown that he can play second well enough, and...Daniel Murphy can play second and can hit the ball.  With three players on the 25-man roster who can play second, and "second baseman of the future" Reese Havens back on the field in AA, who can we expect to see at second base in the next few years, and what do you think will happen to whoever doesn't win the job?

This is an interesting and rather complex question that I've actually been pondering quite a bit myself lately. However, the only way to appreciate the future of second base is to put it into context with the less than stellar past:

Basically since the days of Edgardo Alfonzo the Mets have employed something of a mess at the keystone position. Not since Fonzie's 6.7 WAR Y2K campaign have the Mets had steady, valuable production from second base. I'm talking drek the likes of Jay Bell, Rey Sanchez, Kurt Abbott, Chris Woodward, Jorge Velandia, Alex Cora, Argenis Reyes, Ramon Martinez...all right I'll stop. 

Take a look below at the Mets second baseman by WAR since 1999: (NOTE: Each year is color-coded by the player who logged the most innings at second for that season. However, the overall WAR figure reflect totals for any player(s) that garnered 100 innings or more.)

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It's a pretty depressing climb down, with a brief respite from Luis Castillo v.'07 proving nothing more than a mirage, one which would haunt the Mets for three more slaptastic seasons.

Star-divide

With the exception of a few passable, yet brief, flashes in the pan -- namely Jose Valentin -- Omar's seemingly airtight strategy of acquiring the corpses of washed up old players didn't bear much fruit. And worse, when it actually did, he would typically overreact, press his luck by re-signing said corpse and subsequently get double-whammied. In fact, let's superimpose the average age of Mets' second basemen during this span:

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Pretty self-explanatory. And that's all I have to say about that.

Getting back to the question of the present, while the current second base situation is no less clear, there seems to be light at the end of the tunnel. First off, the team is now in the hands of a much more competent architect. I can't overstate that enough; sticking with the architect idea, this is like comparing Frank Gehry with the guy who designed my garage (and my garage sucks).

But more tangibly, there are actually players -- under team control -- who show promise to eventually provide good production while manning second base. And not only are there players, there are actually a lot of players. Young players!

So let's look at these guys individually...

As the question posits, Ruben Tejada has been a nice little surprise at the dish this season after battling the Mendoza Line for much of last season. But that shouldn't be too much of a surprise, the guy was 20 years old when he was rushed to the majors last season so some development was to be expected. And that development showed up earlier this season with Buffalo.

Apparently then Farm Director Terry Collins left Tejada last fall with the directive to add some muscle in order to better drive the ball. And apparently Tejada took heed. The slight MI who had never hit more than five homers in a season had already hit three through 31 games with the Bisons and at the time of his call-up was posting an ISO (.140) well beyond his previous high (.092).

In his 30+ games with the Mets so far he's once again lived up to his billing as a sure-handed defender. However once again he's looked a bit punchless at the plate, delivering all but three of his 32 hits for singles. At that rate, Tejada would make a fine backup MI, but if that power develops -- and at 21 that's not unreasonable -- his nice glove and typically strong walk/contact rates fit the profile of a player like Asdrubal Cabrera (before the 2011 explosion).

Next up is Justin Turner, who entered the season as an afterthought but has suddenly thrown his hat into the ring. He was my ST pick after a 2010 Buffalo campaign where he batted .333 including a .906 OPS, two ten-game hitting streaks and a 6-for-6 game with a cycle to end the year. According to the MinorLeagueSplits.com's MLE calculator, his 2010 was equivelant to a .280/.329/.420 season with the Mets, not  too shabby and incidentally not far from what he's doing right now (though the bruised thumb hasn't helped).

He doesn't possess the glove of a Tejada but he's shown that he's a solid defender. In fact, just about every aspect of his game can be described as solid, though he doesn't really excel in any one area. Overall, Turner represents a solid, if unspectacular, option for the Mets at second, which after the last 5-7 years is a welcome sight.

Then there's Dan Murphy. We all love Murphy. But it's become clear that he is just not the answer long-term. Now his bat has been more or less the same as we remembered it: Good but not great, suspect against lefties, a shade less power thus far but nothing a nice hot streak won't cure. The bat isn't the problem, it's the glove. He subbed for the disappointing Brad Emaus admirably early on, but he just can't be counted on to play second day in, day out with other, better options defensively unless he's going to rake...which he hasn't. At this point, he seems best suited for the super-utility role that he currently inhabits.

That brings us to the minor league options. And obviously we have to start with the guy that's been the Mets 'second baseman of the future' since he was drafted back in '08, Reese Havens. As we all know, health has always been the issue for Havens because when he's on the field, he's produced. Aside from a good patience, Havens hallmark is excellent power from the left side, evidenced most recently by the six bombs he hit in the first 18 games of 2010 before he went down.

I will say that though he profiles as a 20+ hr guy from second base, I don't think he's the default long-term answer he once was. For one there are far more organizational options than just a couple years ago. And despite -- or maybe because of -- the power, he strikes out...a lot. I'm talking like 25-30% of his ab's. Pair that with generally low AVG's and there's still some risk here. However, if he reaches his offensive potential he'll push aside any of the other options. Currently he's batting about .250 with a couple longballs for Double-A Binghamton since getting healthy.

Finally, there's the hot name right now, Jordany Valdespin. Valdespin is interesting. He's been quite good this season for Binghamton, especially lately. Plagued by inconsistency and rawness coming into 2011, this year Valdespin is exhibiting the excellent mix of speed, power and all-around athleticism that has always made scouts drool. A .362/.413/.667 June has people excited as the toolsy MI is finally starting to harness all of his physical ability and a .313 BABIP means this may be for real.

The problem is that aforementioned rawness, in his game and in his temperament. He's been suspended by the org. more than once for inappropriate behavior marked by a foul temper. At the dish, his patience has improved but he's still striking out 3-4 times more than he's walking. And in the field, he betrays his athleticism with out-of-control play, marked by 16 errors in 2011. If he can continue to harness his athleticism he could be Jose Reyes-lite, the kind of player that affects every aspect of a game. If not, he may be the next Angel Berroa.

All in all...

If you want some random guesswork, I'd say that once Wright returns, Turner claims the starting job as Tejada continues to work on his pop. I'm (blindly) assuming Reyes stays next year, so Tejada could claim the role back in 2012 thanks to his far superior glove if he continues to add muscle. However, by late next season if Havens hasn't forced his way into some ab's then something has gone wrong. Valdespin is too much of a wild card to say where he'll be, but keep this in mind: Even at his best he is pretty much the polar opposite of the current regime's favored model of a more refined hitter. So unless he really excels and forces their hand perhaps he's the one to pack his bags.

Either way, the Mets are suddenly in pretty good shape when it comes to what has been a perennial weakness. They have a number of very viable starting candidates, others who will represent excellent bench depth and still more who can be flipped. Each of these guys is either here or reaching the doorstep and all are on the lower end of that age spectrum meaning many cheap, cost-controlled years remaining.  While there may not be another Alfonzo in this bunch, there is certainly enough talent here to insure that the aging stopgap carousel has finally come to an end.

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"Murphy can't cut it at 2nd"

Any statistical evidence to back this up? Any sort of objective evidence of any kind?

Murphy looks like the player who looks awkward and makes the occasional blunder, but overall, gets the job done at 2nd base. It seems he doesn’t have the reflexes for 3rd. But at 2nd, he seems to be the kind of player who plays much better than he looks, and thus is highly underrated.

PS He has a UZR/150 of 13.9 as per fangraphs at 2nd base. Turner’s is -19.1. Tejada’s is -11.3 This confirms my suspicion. I think Mr. Castellano has pulled an Omar, confusing appearances and stereotypes (big, awkward lunchpail guy’s can’t play 2nd) with reality (this one can). Or at least as of now, he looks like he can.

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by GenJackRipper on Jun 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Um

He’s played 167 innings at 2nd. UZR/150 is basically meaningless at that amount of innings. And DRS had him at -4 in the same 167 innings.

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jun 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

In that case, there is no reliable evidence either way.

And that means that it is still premature to deliver judgment one way or the other. Murph does not play a pretty 2nd base, but he has not been ineffective.

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by GenJackRipper on Jun 27, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And my point was

that there is a difference. Just notice how smooth-looking and utterly awful Jeter was his whole career. Murph is the opposite. Which is why we root for him. No one said being a working class hero was easy.

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by GenJackRipper on Jun 27, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

though i didn’t say he’s been ineffective, just that i don’t think he’s a long-term solution.

but you’re right, it’s early to say that he definitively cannot play the position, but how long can we go on beating this drum? it’d be one thing if the club was clearly wrong but murphy’s time at 2B has been mixed, at best. yes the stats say one thing but they’re pretty much meaningless right now. the scouts say another but like you pointed out, some players just play ugly (see: hunter pence).

i wasn’t that worried about his jerky motions and his range seemed fine, but it’s his awkward handling of the dp — around the bag — that has me more skeptical. it’s not that i don’t think he’ll figure it out because he was improving, but when not only the club’s key evaluators but murphy himself said it’s a weakness, and he shredded his knee in 2010 as a result of poor positioning on a dp, why force him in there for extended pt to maybe get better especially when there are all these other options?

remember, it’s not just murph and castillo anymore…

by Rob Castellano on Jun 27, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

But again, the column was about options. Murph and Turner seem roughly equal at this point on the offensive side, so it’s not quite clear cut one way or the other. In fact, it looks like a numbers game at this point on all levels.

Will Havens cut his Ks and get healthy?
Will Murph settle down on the DP and tick up his BBs and power?
Will Turner be more than merely adequate at anything?
Will Tejada pick up his power?

All we need is for one of those answers to be Yes, and if not, there’s always platoons.

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by GenJackRipper on Jun 27, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Odd I think this didn't go through the first time

But I was saying that it looked like a numbers game.

We essentially need:
A-Havens to get healthy and cut the Ks
B-Tejada to pick up the power (I think his defense should pick up)
C-Murph to tick up the BBs power, and get a little more comfortable on the DP
D-Turner to try to be better than adequate at any facet of the game at all.

If one of these things happen, we should be OK, if not, there are always platoon options. My point was that nothing decisive has really happened yet. No one has played themselves in or out of the position.

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by GenJackRipper on Jun 27, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoops

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by GenJackRipper on Jun 27, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but I'd add that options B, C and D are all better than...

the Castillo/Cora black hole. Ruben needs more offense, but he’s a decent glove, young, and improving. Murphy doesn’t have great power, but he’s a decent bat at second, can play other positions and may improve with experience. Turner is at least adequate all the way around and appears to have a good sense of the game as well, and like the other two, is young enough that he may improve. Luis was hanging on as a shadow of what he once was, and Cora was a “never was” rather than another “has been”. I don’t view either Murphy or Turner as black holes on offense, and Ruben is much improved, though still a bit lacking there. Defensively, Ruben has a decent glove, Turner is adequate and Murphy may improve and at least can play the position without being a total embarassment. In sum, the position no longer has buzzards flying over it, and while not a strength, it’s not a real weakness on a .500 team either. And it has several ways (haven’t mentioned the farm hands at all, in addition to the three above) of maybe getting better in the near future with guys who are young enough to have a future.

by Cranky50 on Jun 27, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You left out Valdespin

He might have the highest ceiling of the players being discussed, as well as the lowest floor. His talent is too great to simply ignore.

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by Russ on Jun 27, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good in sum.

In sum, the position no longer has buzzards flying over it,

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by GenJackRipper on Jun 27, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fact it looks like Turner

is the one best suited for the utility role. Murphy seems to be in the odd position of being ONLY able to play 1st and 2nd, and perhaps corner outfield without the loathsome Jerry Manuel on his case. Turner has been solid at third and second, and should be tested in other positions. IMO, should be tested as an offensive utility option, with Tejada as the defensive utility option. Murphy, as of now, should have the starting job at 2nd.

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by GenJackRipper on Jun 27, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Before Ike and Wright went down he was starting at second base

They clearly think he can play second base. He has played mostly at first because they like Tejada’s defense at second and Duda hasn’t played much.

by graves9 on Jun 27, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was platooning with Turner.He did not win the 2nd base job.Are you saying that

Murphy will have the 2nd base job if Ike returns and his future is at 2nd or even 3rd?

by Putnan Prince on Jun 27, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's obviously not at third

Murph was getting the bulk of the time at second base before Ike and Wright went down. Murph imo is most likely a bench player, but he would be fine as a platoon player at second base.

by graves9 on Jun 27, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly

I’d like to see Murphy given a permanent position for just one season before we decide whether or not he’s any good. It’s impossible for him to carve out a niche on the team and get comfortable somewhere if he can’t even keep a spot. His versatility is probably the worst thing he has going for him right now.

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by Rey-O on Jun 27, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

It can be

but I’d rather give the guy an honest shot at a position before we relegate him to becoming Super Joe McEwing. We pulled the same thing with Melving Mora.

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by Rey-O on Jun 27, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why don't we play him at SS so maybe Murph can replace Jose' or maybe try

him at CF and move Pagan back to RF when Beltran leaves.The mets should give him
an honest chance to show there.are two more positions that he can hurt the Mets at.

by Putnan Prince on Jun 27, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not the biggest Murph fan,

but his defense at second imo was adequate, and his defense at first is not bad at all. He has looked terrible at third and does have some brain farts at first at times. That said, he hasn’t been nearly as bad as you’re suggesting.

by graves9 on Jun 27, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

how did we get turner?

I thought this was his first year in the org?

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jun 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

He was claimed on waivers last year from Baltimore

He then proceeded to tear up Buffalo. On the last day of the AAA season, he hit for the cycle as he went 6-6. Omar still didn’t call him up, even though he was on the 40 man roster.

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by Russ on Jun 27, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks!

nice claim by omar.

despite his inability to negotiate, he did pull out some nice 2ndary players. If only he actually had let them come to the show.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jun 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

good job omar

just at a moment i was beggining to question your blithering inepitude.

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by rexthejet on Jun 27, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Turner actually made his Mets debut in 2010.

He went 1-8 in a brief 9 plate appearance cameo during that dreadful post all star break west coast road trip. He appeared in 4 games (3 vs the Giants, 1 vs Arizona) before being banished to Buffalo where he raked for the rest of the season (and was inexplicably bypassed by Luis Hernandez for a shot at a big league job).

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 27, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude had one hell of a (likely) last major league at bat though

homerun after he broke his foot on a foul ball, right?

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by astromets on Jun 27, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a pretty awesome (and completely unbelievable) moment.

I surmise that that won’t be his last big league at bat. Some team will give him a shot, since he’s a relatively young middle infielder with a good reputation as a defense first player. Probably not the Mets, but there are tons of GM’s that’ll let that guy get a bunch of unwarranted plate appearances. Look at guys like Ramon Martinez and Juan Castro, among others who’ve had long careers as defense first infielders despite swinging a wet noodle. Luis will get another shot (probably with whatever team Omar Minaya works with next. Or with Dayton Moore…he is a former Brave prospect).

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 27, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you talkin bout

castillo?

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jun 27, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope...Luis Hernandez

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 27, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Valdespin

Just how bad of a temper does he have to get suspended a couple of times in minor league ball? I’m assuming they make some allowances for these kids because, well. they’re kids, so he must really have a short fuse.

I remember Omar singing his praises in ST in 2010. He was very high on this kid. What entered my mind at the time though was is he impressed b/c he had talent or was he trying to sell a line such as ’we’ve got options at SS should Reyes not be healthy’ coming up through the ranks? I think I saw him play a game or two at SS in ST that year.

by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

IIRC Jerrybot was clamoring all over Valdespin last year too

but he had done that with Jonathon Malo too.

I was going to say, if Valdespin is the one Sandy wants to eventually trade, he may want to do it sooner than later, because a short fuse can lead to a short career. But I don’t think you give up on a player like Valdespin, especially if we can pair him with Reyes on the MI and as a mentor. He is having one ridiculous season, making him our best 2B prospect in my eyes. He could end up with 30 2Bs, 15 HR and 40 SBs this year! His BB/K totals are not good, yet, but they are an improvement over last year, and the K-Rate keeps improving. With his speed, he can get by without walks as long as he is high contact. But ignore my drool, I am just daydreaming right now about a Mets team with 2 Jose Reyes’es

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by astromets on Jun 27, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

The Jonathan Malo love was borderline insanity. He’s just an awful, awful hitter throughout the minors and likely an org guy, yet Manuel was praising him as the next best thing since sliced bread. Unbelievable that he could’ve even had a prayer to make the OD roster.

At the same time, I guess I probably would’ve preferred he make the opening day roster instead of rushing real prospects like Tejada or Mejia, but unfortunately, we can’t go back in time and change those things.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 27, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

DEPTH

Nice to have Murphy, Turner, & Tejada around this year, isn’t it? Give Alderson some credit for assembling a team with decent depth in case of injuries. Nobody seems to like Harris or Hairston, but neither one is as bad as, say, Cora.

by MDMETSFAN on Jun 27, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

at least he seems like a nice guy

and he is telling the press reyes is a leader

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by rexthejet on Jun 27, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harris has actually ben decent this June

Let’s hope that it lasts.

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by Russ on Jun 27, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

So who's the best trade candidate and who's the keeper?

I feel like any two of these guys could end up getting dealt at the deadline and I’d pretty much be fine with it. I guess you’d want a better package in return for Tejada since he’s still just 21 and has some significant upside left, so maybe he’s the keeper by default? But maybe Murphy is really a better choice to hang around, since he’s probably more valuable than the return he’d bring. This logjam of mediocrity-with-potential is one reason I’m glad to have smart people running the team.

by anonymous on Jun 27, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we keep everybody

Better to have Turner as a super util type for ML minimum, then to spend 2 million on Alex Cora or Miguel Cairo or something. Tejada can start at SS in AAA. Murphy can start at 2B until Havens or Valdespin are healthy/less nuts/ready. I agree with Rob that Murph is probablynot a long term answer, but he is the most likely to be a 2-3 win player over a full season at 2B. That’s valuable at his salary.

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jun 27, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

well it would nice to use one of these 4 guys

and use him to get a future outfeilder, something i think that is a bigger need. a good question would be who is going to take over for beltran, and i hope the answer isn’t harris or hairston

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"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by rexthejet on Jun 27, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have plenty of OF prospects.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 27, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

like?

(sorry i can’t think of any one but den dekker)

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"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by rexthejet on Jun 27, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kirk Nieuwenhuis

Will be the starting RF next year. He’s hurt right now at AAA, but is the Mets best position player prospect.

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jun 27, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

F! still counts

Lagares, Puello and Vaughn at Hi-A, Ceciliani; as well as future OF possibles in Wilmer, Marte and Aderlin. AND FUTURE HOFer BRANDON ‘FINDING’ NIMMO!!!

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by astromets on Jun 27, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, those guys too

Kirk is, I assume, the expected Beltran replacement. What we really need is a freaking catching prospect. I just don’t see any of the 2B troika drawing anything decent in terms of prospects, and there is no reason to trade them while they are cheap.

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jun 27, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone we could move to catcher?

we got some MI/CI with lots of errors.

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by astromets on Jun 27, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they don't have the feet to play 3B or 1B

they certainty don’t have the feet to play C.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 27, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

who ISN't injured as a Met?

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by feslenraster on Jun 28, 2011 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Castillo only got to NY towards the end of '07

I wouldn’t be surprised if Damion Easley provided most of that year’s WAR, as he was pretty solid until he got hurt.

by David G on Jun 27, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Easley 1.4 fWAR, Castillo 1.5 fWAR

the rest was Gotay and Valentin

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by astromets on Jun 27, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

fWAR > bbWAR

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 27, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Q+D

The major difference is B-ref uses total zone to calculate defensive value, while Fangraphs uses UZR, at least for years where they have pbp data. I think there are some smaller differences in replacement level and positional adjustment, as well.

Pitchers are even wonkier between the two, because Fangraphs uses FIP, while B-Ref uses straight run average with some adjustments for defensive support.

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jun 27, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Yes there usually is a big difference in the pitcher war.

by graves9 on Jun 27, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may be wrong

but don’t the defensive differences make a difference often for catchers.

also, fangraphs now uses that updated baserunning tool, does b-ref?

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by astromets on Jun 27, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

They both have a baserunning adjustment

I don’t know that it is the same formula, but they both adjust for it now.

Catcher defense is a whole ’nother mess entirely. But Reyes is almost a win different, between the two systems, primarily because of defensive metrics.

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jun 27, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate the FIP based WAR for pitchers.

There are obviously certain pitchers that beat their FIP regularly every year like Cain and Santana.

by FrancoTAU on Jun 28, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

So there are a handful of outliers

it’s better than what bbRef does.

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Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 28, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Satin worse defensively at 2b than Murphy?

Just wondering, because it sure seems like he should be getting most of the playing time at Buffalo, and not Luis Hernandez. I would hope he’s the first to get called up should Turner get hurt.

by David G on Jun 27, 2011 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

He's made 16 errors in 27 games there

He’s a guy you stick there to get his bat in the line-up. He can probably handle 3B, though he won’t be good there either as his arm is lacking. Also, keep in mind he is almost six months older than Murphy.

I like Satin a bunch, but best case scenario is like Jeff Keppinger.

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jun 27, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

16 errors in 27 games??

Don’t think that’s right, lol. Think you were looking under DPs turned, which is 16. He’s made 5 errors, still not good, but 16 would be ridiculous.

by David G on Jun 27, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

For his minor league career, Satin's made 22 errors in 233 games at 2b

just fyi. Not terrible at all, though not counting for range, of course.

by David G on Jun 27, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can put him there

His minor league TZr is actually good there, but those are pretty suspect. I wish we still had Dan Fox’s simple fielding runs, but he works for the Pirates now. From the times I have seen Satin, he looks okay on range, but he’s just not surehanded wherever he plays, and the arm isn’t great and can’t get a little scattershot.

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jun 27, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oof, that was an epic B-ref fail on my part

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jun 27, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, me too. Satin can flat out hit

at least in the lower minor leagues. he’s probably a better hitter than Willie Harris at any rate

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by feslenraster on Jun 28, 2011 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Murphy, but overall I think Turner is the better prospect at second...

He’s not going to hit as well as he did prior to the first week of June, but he’s likely better then he’s been since with the injured thumb. He’s at least adequate in all phases, has a sense of the game, no huge holes, and I think is defensively superior to Murphy at this point at second, which I think is a better posiition for him than third, where he’s been playing a lot. Ruben may develop, Murphy may or may not, but he’s useful as he is. This is a LONG, LONG way from Castillo and Cora.

by Cranky50 on Jun 27, 2011 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

"Assuming Reyes stays next year..."

He’s not. (Come on, we need to accept reality.) So does Tejada then move to SS and the 2B job becomes Turner’s to lose?

by JE on Jun 27, 2011 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Why don't you tell us? You're the one that knows the future
“Assuming Reyes stays next year…”
He’s not

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by astromets on Jun 27, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That sounds like his reality, actually.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 27, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe you want to pass the collection plate?

Because, as much as I wish it weren’t the case, the money to pay his Crawford-esque salary (or higher) is not coming from this cash-strapped organization.

by JE on Jun 27, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes' raise can be paid by the money that is currently going to Castillo ($6.25M), Igarashi ($1.75M), and Matthews Jr. ($1M).

Or the money that is currently going to Perez ($12M).

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 27, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

You're generally assuming...

that next season’s payroll will be identical to this year’s. On what basis do you believe that will be the case? It is much more likely that there will be a continuation of the downward trend ($134.4M in ’10 to $118.8M at present).

by JE on Jun 27, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is every reason to assume that Reyes has a good shot of staying here

I’d put it at 70-30 he stays, but that’s just my hunch. Anyone who pretends they know for sure is talking out of his ass. This especially goes for fake, obnoxious “insiders” like Jon Heyman.

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by GenJackRipper on Jun 27, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If the Wilpons want to keep the team,

they will have to come up with $200M to keep Einhorn at a 33% stake. Spending $21M per season on Reyes therefore is almost certainly not going to happen. (By the way, did you read what Fred Wilpon told Jeffrey Toobin about Jose?)

by JE on Jun 27, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

So making the team worse

is going to help them make more money? How does that work? They’re hemorrhaging money as it is. Letting Reyes go makes Citi Field a ghost town and any money saved from not re-signing him likely is lost quickly in ticket sales, Citi Field concessions, advertising revenue, SNY ratings, etc.

And please…don’t bring up that Jeffrey Toobin article. It’s one quote during a bad game. I could just as soon bring up this quote, which is more recent and thus more relevant.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 28, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Oh, yeah, that's a guarantee that Jose will be back!

There’s a bridge I’d like to sell you too.

Got any evidence that Reyes is worth $21M in ticket sales and other revenue? If so, how come his greatness has not stopped the attendance slide?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance//year/2010
/year/2011" target="_blank">http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance/_/year/2011

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even at a $120M payroll

there’s more than enough room to keep Reyes.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 27, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

It's not wishful thinking if you enter the numbers into a spreadsheet

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by Russ on Jun 28, 2011 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right...

And you assume that Alderson is ready to give Crawford money/years? That’s rich. (No pun intended.)

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would you assume that Alderson wouldn't?

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by Russ on Jun 28, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

A swing and a miss

It is also well know that Alderson has no hard and fast rules and that he makes exceptions

For example, it widely reported that Alderson recently approached Reyes’ agent to try to negotiate a contract extension. The negotiatipns didn’t happen because Reyes does not want to negotiate until the season is over. The fact that Alderson attempted to initiate negotiations pretty much renders your point false.

Would you like to try again?

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by Russ on Jun 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

it *was* widely

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by Russ on Jun 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yawn.

“The fact that Alderson attempted to initiate negotiations pretty much renders your point false.

“Would you like to try again?”

That was the prudent thing to do, both from substantive and PR perspectives. Why not see if you can have exclusive rights and see if Reyes will give a home-team discount?

Would you like to try again?

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shirty?

I have an opinion rooted in the Mets’ current financial morass combined with a GM who historically has not favored extra-long term deals for players approaching 30.

If you don’t like my sober thoughts, move on.

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except you're passing your "opinion" off as fact.

Have you spoken to Sandy Alderson? Do you know from Sandy’s mouth whether he likes long term contracts or not? Are you a member of the Mets front office?

If the answer to those questions is “no”, then you have no proof of anything. It’s an opinion. Treat it as such, but don’t get all bitchy when people call you out on it.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 28, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Reyes is 28

But I guess even a 25 year old is approaching 30…

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 28, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Hey I just turned 25 yesterday

and I am in no way approaching 30 for at least another 15 years :)

by Balagast on Jun 28, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, Reyes so badly wants to play for the Mets next year...

that he turned down Sandy’s offer. Yeah, let’s leave that part out.

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

A swing and a miss #2

Do you make everything up? He didn’t turn down Sandy’s offer. He never allowed for negotiations to start. Reyes said in spring training that he would not negotiate during the regular season. Reyes kept his word, but you’re conflating that with an insinuation that Reyes doesn’t want to play here.

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by Russ on Jun 28, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sigh.

You have reading comprehension issues. I am not saying Reyes does not want to play here; I am saying that Reyes is not granting the Mets any special favors.

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pot meet kettle

When you learn what a “fact” is, and how to present an honest argument that is not riddled with confirmation bias, come back.

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by Russ on Jun 28, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And congrats...

on reading a couple of fortune cookies bearing MBA phrases.

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

A swing and a miss

Social sciences, not B-school. Your google-fu is very sloppy, which is right is line with your reasoning skills 9or lack thereof.)

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by Russ on Jun 28, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Confirmation bias and the definition of what a fact is are logic

not business principles.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 28, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So you've spoken to Jose?

He’s told he’s not willing to help the team out?

Oh okay.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 28, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You didn't say it

but you insinuated it.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 28, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Therefore...

if we want him, we will have to pay through the nose, both in years and salary.

My guess is that Fred Wilpon is far more concerned about scraping together the $200M needed to reimburse Einhorn, lest he lose control of the team.

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

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by Russ on Jun 28, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yawn. I'm done here...

As I said before, hope that Reyes remains a Met. My advice, though, is that if you’re placing any bets on remaining in a Mets uni, be sure to play with house money and not your own.

Oh, yeah, and Reyes did turn down Sandy’s offer.

Mets general manager Sandy Alderson said he reached out last week to Reyes’ agent, Peter Greenberg, and asked about the possibility of negotiating a new deal during the season.

Reyes, the NL batting leader, met with his representatives at home Monday and they informed the Mets they would rather wait until after the season to talk about a contract.

“We will respect his wishes and hopefully pick up negotiations at the end of the season,” Alderson said.

http://online.wsj.com/article/APfe168d8cc89043c5ba3ae10b74eadc10.html?KEYWORDS=einhorn+wilpon+mets

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

fail

he didn’t turn down an offer, as Russ stated, he declined to negotiate in season as he said he would back in ST. there was no offer

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by astromets on Jun 28, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Semantics

The article text states clearly that Reyes and his agent turned down Sandy’s offer to start negotiations at that point.

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry that you have exhausted...

your limited supply of logic.

Have a nice day.

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's probably ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose or something.

I haven’t seen him around here and this is his style of arguing…continually changing the focus and moving the goal posts when he’s disproven.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 28, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

it reminded me of Metsie from mmo to be honest

we say one thing, he laughs at us and starts going off like he is the smartest person on the interwebz.

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by astromets on Jun 28, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

1969met in the other thread

reminds me of Metsie more. Illogical ramblings about things that have nothing to do with the topic (he wrote this long diatribe about Jose Pagan who played in the 50’s…not sure what it had to do with the subject of keeping Wright and Reyes but….).

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 28, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way...

Admittedly, I am not a frequent commenter, but joined AA in 6/08, more than one year before you.

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

and this means...?

you found this site one year before me, congrats

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by astromets on Jun 28, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Again arguing in bad faith.

“Offer” in this context (talking about a pending FA), means a proposed contract extension – not that [GM] asked if [pending FA] would like to talk about a possible new contract.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 28, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Reading comprehension problems?

You just posted how Reyes never received an offer because he never agreed to negotiate during the season.

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by Russ on Jun 28, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Nope.

I’m assuming the payroll is around the 110-120 million range, right where Sandy Alderson’s indicated that it’s going to be. Again, with a little more than 35 million coming off the payroll, I don’t see how they can’t afford to pay Reyes an extra 5 or so million dollars in 2012.

Oh and I’m not sure where you got your payroll calculations, but according to Cot’s, the Mets’ payroll this year is 142.7 million and last year it was 126.4 meaning that the Mets’ payroll actually went up this year.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 28, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I used USA Today's numbers.

By the way, has it occurred to you that maybe Alderson does not feel that Jose is worth a 7-8-year contract at $21M per season? Moreover, have you seen any credible evidence that Reyes is willing to give a home-team discount?

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

“About MLB Salaries

USA TODAY’s baseball salaries database contains year-by-year listings of salaries for Major League Baseball players on opening day rosters and disabled lists, 1988 through the current season. Figures, compiled by USA TODAY, are based on documents obtained from the MLB Players Association, club officials and filed with Major League Baseball’s central office. Deferred payments and incentive clauses are not included. Team payrolls do not include money paid or received in trades or for players who have been released."

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

in response to Balagast

the USA today numbers don’t include money for released players, so released players don’t count against the luxury tax?

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by astromets on Jun 28, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Perhaps

The greater point i was making is that for luxury tax purposes MLB uses average value for each contract year not what you actually pay that player.

So you can have years where a players actual salary (which is the more important thing if the Mets are cash strapped) is greater or less than the value used for calculating luxury tax payroll.

by Balagast on Jun 28, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Sure.

Has it occurred to you that maybe Alderson DOES feel that Jose is worth a 7-8 year contract at $21M per season?

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 28, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm not saying that it's guaranteed that he's coming back. Far from it.

But unless you reside inside Sandy Alderson’s brain and know exactly what he’s thinking, or you speak to him on a daily basis, you can’t claim that he’s not at all interested in re-signing him.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 28, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

As you will see from the links,

there is more evidence to indicate that Alderson will not enter into a bidding war for Reyes’ services with two or three other teams than your hope that he will do whatever it takes to keep Reyes a Met.

As I have said previously, I wish Reyes would remain in Queens, but I just don’t see it happening.

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

these articles?

Sandy is only quoted in one, and it is from February, and in it he doesn’t have an opinion of Jose Reyes value to te org yet. since then he has said how he realizes that Reyes is much more valuable to the organization than he originally thought. this is not evidence

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by astromets on Jun 28, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

All of them say what is known among those who follow the Mets.

Sandy Alderson is not a big fan of mega-deals.

As Ken Davidoff put it recently, if the Mets are not in contention in September, the seats at CitiField will be empty whether or not Reyes is on the field.

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Help me out, Astromets...

How many long-term deals has Alderson consummated as GM of the A’s?

By the way, remember this?

A longtime skeptic of long-term deals, Sandy Alderson could only smile. “Makes some of our contracts look pretty good,” he cracked. “That’s a long time, and a lot of money. I thought they were trying to reduce the deficit in Washington.”

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/253114-alderson-mocking-werth-deal#ixzz1Qamf0R9P

by JE on Jun 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

the reason it is lower

is because Sandy wanted to save a little space in case he wanted to add at the deadline. The Wilpons even said he has money to spend if he wants to add

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by astromets on Jun 28, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Sandy Alderson?

Is that you?

Or are you Fred Wilpon?

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 27, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm, JE...

It could be Jeff Wilpon but he pushed the “E” key instead of the “W” key.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 27, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It would make sense for Jeffy to hit "E" instead of "W"...

as he’s so used to going in the wrong direction.

by Cranky50 on Jun 27, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The funny thing about this

is that Jose is also one of the Mets best 2n basemen of the past 10 years

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by blains2000 on Jun 28, 2011 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

thanks to Kaz Matsucki

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by feslenraster on Jun 28, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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