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"Humans tend to filter the world to confirm what we already believe." —Jonah Lehrer.

That quote is from Jonah Lehrer's appearance on the Colbert Report in May 2009 when he was promoting How We Decide, a well-regarded book on human decision-making as informed by his background in neuroscience. It's an important point and a driving force behind the statistical analysis movement in sports, which latter's goal is to eliminate subjective biases, confirmation and otherwise. More recently, Lehrer has penned a sloppy defense of intangibles in sports at Grantland, an article to which I won't provide a link because I'm quite sure its primary intent is to piss off stat nerds, who will happily direct their ire — and, more importantly, their traffic — to Bill Simmons's sports-meets-pop-culture offshoot of ESPN.com. If you insist on reading it, you can Google "jonah lehrer being an asshole" (no quotes) and it'll be the first search result. You can also read the cogent responses by our own Matthew Callan earlier today, Bill Petti at Beyond The Boxscore, and Colin Wyers at Baseball Prospectus; you'll find a link to the original Lehrer piece contained therein.

I could spend hours fisking Lehrer's article from top-to-bottom, but I have neither the time nor the inclination to do so. Instead, I'll just list a bunch of things that irked me about the column.

Star-divide

  1. The car metaphor. Lehrer spends the first three paragraphs trying to force sabermetrics into a really bad car metaphor. Something about how car-buyers focus on things they can quantify like horsepower and gas mileage while ignoring things like comfort and structural integrity (?) that actually make a difference to the overall enjoyment of car ownership. This is supposed to be an analogy to the way statheads (I'm going to be using "statheads" to mean "sabermetricians" or "people interested in statistical analysis" or "mom's-basement-dwellers" or whatever you want to call them/us) fixate on "statistics" while ignoring "the inherent mystery of athletic talent," which latter is just a fancy way of saying "grission".

  2. Straw men abound. Lehrer suggests that statheads are "pretending that the numbers explain everything." The problem is that nobody really thinks that. Not Billy Beane, not Sandy Alderson, not Theo Epstein, not Paul DePodesta, not Tom Tango, Rob Neyer, Bill James, nor any other credible stathead. To whatever extent the effects of intangible qualities on on-field performance can be measured — and therefore become tangible — statheads do their best to measure them. Things which are as-yet-unmeasurable aren't simply swept under the rug. It's frustrating that we can't reasonably measure things like leadership, chemistry, streakiness, and grission, but nobody is pretending they don't exist.

    He also asserts that "[t]he goal of these new equations is to parse the complexity of people playing together, finding ways to measure quarterbacks while disregarding the quality of their offensive line, or assessing a point guard while discounting the poor shooting of his teammates" (emphasis mine). Lehrer has this backwards, actually. I'm not really up on advanced football statistics, but the problems with traditional football stats like quarterback wins, touchdowns, rushing yards, and so forth is that they have always disregarded the quality (and qualities) of the team — and other circumstances outside the player's control — while highlighting the individual accomplishments of the player. The same is true of traditional baseball statistics like pitcher wins and runs batted in. The point of sabermetrics (or whatever you'd call it in football) is not to discount outside influences, but rather to normalize or control for them. In other words, how would Player X perform given an average team and average circumstances.

  3. Making shit up. Lehrer says, "Because it translates sports into a list of statistics, the tool can also lead coaches and executives to neglect those variables that can't be quantified." No coach or executive does this. I don't even know of a journalist or blogger who does this, so to presume that someone in charge of decision-making on a professional sports team does this is either silly, intellectually dishonest, or both.

  4. Reductio ad absurdum. Lehrer relays an analogy made by author Philip Roth in a May 2000 issue of The New Yorker in which Roth, responding to misinterpretations of his 1997 novel American Pastoral, posited a young boy at a ballgame whose father insisted that he (the boy) watch the scoreboard instead of the field. Asked afterward how the game was, the boy replied, "It was great! The scoreboard changed thirty-two times and Daddy said last game it changed only fourteen times and the home team last time changed more times than the other team. It was really great! We had hot dogs and we stood up at one point to stretch and we went home."

    Lehrer caustically suggests that "[i]f that little kid were around today, he'd be obsessed with sabermetrics." Statheads like stats, therefore they prefer the objective side of the game to the subjective side, therefore they'd rather monitor the scoreboard than take in the glorious action on the field. This characterization of statheads as fans of numbers first and the game second (if at all) is wrong-headed, idiotic, and insulting.

  5. J.J. Barea. I don't watch basketball and I have no idea who J.J. Barea, but based on Lehrer's description and lionization I can only assume he's the NBA equivalent of David Eckstein. Someone please confirm.

  6. More straw men. Lehrer continues: "[C]oaches and fans use the numbers as an excuse to ignore everything else, which is why our obsession with sabermetrics can lead to such shortsighted personnel decisions." Coaches don't do this. Executives definitely don't do this. Some fans might do this, but no credible, peer-reviewed stathead does this. Sorry, it just doesn't happen. Do we have difficulty quantifying intangibles? Absolutely. Do we think they probably aren't as important as traditional sportswriters, baseball insiders, and sports-radio callers make them out to be? Yes, probably. Do we think they have no value and pretend the don't exist? No chance.

  7. Statheads aren't robots. "For reasons that remain mysterious, some teammates make each other much better and some backup point guards really piss off Ron Artest." This is really just a placeholder for the idea that, no matter how much we know about how and why things happen in baseball (and other sports), sometimes odds are defied, the best team doesn't win, and nobodies (read "Scott Brosius") become World Series MVPs. I love that about sports. We all love that about sports. How dare you tell me that I don't appreciate these things?

  8. Putting a bow on it. "This is the paradox of sports statistics: What the math ends up teaching us that is that [sic] sports are not a math problem." When you begin with a false premise — that anyone truly believes that sports are about statistics and that statistics tell us all we need to know about sports — what you get is this sort of flaccid, misinformed piffle masquerading as pseudo-intellectual journalism.

Jonah Lehrer seems like a pretty bright guy, and his writing on how the human brain processes decisions sounds like the sort of thing I'd enjoy reading. In other words, I think he's probably better than this Grantland article would lead you to believe. Whether he truly believes the puzzling assertions he makes in his column or he's just trolling statheads for pageviews is anybody's guess, though I'm not sure one is preferable to the other.

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If this is really the 8 jillionth article

Why the massively snippy retaliation? Probably because Lehrer is one of the anointed “smart people” and some statcentric folks feel a tad threatened when someone who doesn’t fit the Murray Chass and/or mouthbreather mould challenges the dogma.

Anywho, no reason for his overreaction to merit another overreaction. A more levelheaded takedown would be more effective.

by tmu on Jun 29, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm.

I considered this to be a pretty measured response, actually. To each his own, I guess.

by Eric Simon on Jun 29, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

you make some good points, and it’s clear you put more thought into it than Jonah Lehrer did.

by tmu on Jun 29, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did too.

"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."

by Joamiq on Jun 29, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this was a reasonable takedown.

It was snarky, but if anything Lehrer is educated enough that he should definitely know better, so a harder whack on the knuckles is in order.

Lehrer seems to understand confirmation bias, but maybe he should read up on the Shockley Effect, where a genius in one field mistakes that as license to opine on another field where he’s a complete ignoramus.

by Kepler on Jun 29, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i see what you

I.M. Forme
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by itsmetsforme on Jun 29, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

are saying

but i’d take it in a different direction, though I haven’t read all the responses yet so can’t weigh in on the entire argument. If sabermetrics is to be scientific, it has to be open to criticisms from “geniuses” in other fields. Anything that aspires to the scientific method,as well as any approach that depends on statistics must make itself open to critique. Outsiders sometimes prompt valuable debates even if they are not fully socialized into one or another paradigm. If you’ve read Lehrer’s fascinating article in the New Yorker about replicability in drug trials, his approach seems to be to challenge orthodoxy and is certainly someone worthy of respect even if he draws fire.

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by itsmetsforme on Jun 29, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comment from fangraphs

This was one response to fangraph’s take on the Lehrer piece. I thought it was pretty good (and got 58 net thumbs up):

“While I largely agree with the article, this statement is blatantly untrue:

"Yes, we argue mostly from a statistical standpoint, and oftentimes we make no mention of intangibles or even scouting aspects of the game. That does not mean that we devalue or neglect them."

It would be kind to say that the Fangraphs community– both its writers and readers– devalue and neglect intangible measurements. It’s on each individual to decide whether that’s appropriate, but let’s not pretend that there’s any bit of diplomacy from this community towards these skills that cannot be quantified. Neglected and devalued? More like mocked and ridiculed, if we’re being honest.

Similarly, the Fangraphs community engages in many, many empty qualifiers in order to shield itself from criticisms of certain metrics. Anytime someone questions the validity of WAR as a catch-all measurement of a player’s value, a writer or commenter will assure that no one should look at WAR as a statistic that gives a full measurement of a player’s value… before proceeding to discuss the statistics as if it provides a full measurement of a player’s value. The qualification exists only to disarm critics, and is conveniently ignored once the statistic itself is no longer being debated. Similarly, whenever the validity of UZR as a defensive measurement is questioned, a writer or commenter will build a protective layer around the stat based on the fact that it requires three years of data to become viable. Then, once the assualt has passed, those same writers and commenters will begin comparing players defensively based on a half-season sample size. And of course UZR is the defensive component of WAR, so this argument circles back to the first, whenever half-season WAR values are suddenly discussed. There’s universally acknowledgment that UZR is unstable and unreliable with less than three years of data, but that acknowledgement is ignored whenever it’s convenient to do so.

In chats, the writers often defend the misrepresentation of certain statistics by saying, "______ isn’t meant to be used as _______, and no one here suggests otherwise." They then proceed to suggest otherwise.

But, for the record, let me state that I’m someone who doesn’t believe in intangibles, and does believe in both WAR and UZR. But as a matter of observation, many "true believers" on this site like to ignore qualifications when it’s convenient to do so, and fall back on flatly untrue maxims like "no one thinks WAR should be used as the sole measurement of a player’s value."

Generally, there’s a lack of honest introspection into the role that SABR-friendly folks have played in the broader sports world’s misunderstanding of the SABR community."

by wobatus on Jun 30, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well. . . .
This characterization of statheads as fans of numbers first and the game second (if at all) is wrong-headed, idiotic, and insulting.

by tmu on Jun 29, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, well

With all due, if you went to considerable lengths, you wouldn’t have lines like the QED. You’re supposed to ignore that and say, “well, because he only calls the author an idiot once or twice, he’s really being civil”? You’ve also got:

by tmu on Jun 29, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

(Sorry)
No coach or executive does this. I don’t even know of a journalist or blogger who does this, so to presume that someone in charge of decision-making on a professional sports team does this is either silly, intellectually dishonest, or both.
We all love that about sports. How dare you tell me that I don’t appreciate these things?
When you begin with a false premise — that anyone truly believes that sports are about statistics and that statistics tell us all we need to know about sports — what you get is this sort of flaccid, misinformed piffle masquerading as pseudo-intellectual journalism.

That’s pretty heated stuff.

by tmu on Jun 29, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what you're saying is

that any harsh criticism must ipso facto preclude level-headedness? Those things aren’t mutually exclusive.

by Eric Simon on Jun 29, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

hairsplitting

Tell you what… why don’t you write a “levelheaded” retort to Lehrer, since Simon’s piece was so intense it gave you the vapors?

by roneBOFH on Jun 29, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

stop humping his leg

And a piece can’t be rhetorically schizophrenic like that — it’s heated or it isn’t. You accuse a writer of intellectual dishonesty or you don’t. No one’s telling Eric Simon what to write — it’s his blog for chrissake. I just think it reads like someone got ever angrier as he ticked off each point of contention, and it’s not going to be all that persuasive. Now, for preaching to the converted around here, probably the meat they want. It’s just that when you heat up the dish, you might lose some of the flavor. Or maybe I can think of a car-buying metaphor. . . .

by tmu on Jun 29, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm all humped out

from the Applesauce and the “This Week in SNY”. Love those features!

And I was neutred by my owner. THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP!

by tmu on Jun 29, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your points are taken

and we’ll agree to disagree. I had a different read (of my own piece, admittedly) and thought it was moderately polemic but still well-reasoned. You’re welcome to interpret it differently, and my writing is as open to textual criticism as anyone else’s. I appreciate the feedback, as always.

by Eric Simon on Jun 29, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I consider myself to be on the "traditionalist" end of the sabermetric spectrum

And Eric, thank you for this. I like that you differentiate between credited statheads who do take intangibles into account and those that don’t. I think the problem is that people like Lehrer not only think that WAR is good for absolutely nothin’ (get it?) but have created a charicature of what they think any statistically inclined person is like.

On another note, pretty accurate with JJ Barea. And as for stats in football and basketball, I think they do not have near the value that baseball does. For one because of sample size, but additionally (football in particular) is about a system and chemistry. Not to say that these things don’t exist in baseball, but that in football the variables are a lot harder to correct for.

by revans on Jun 29, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah Football is not that great for saber type stuff for individual players

For in game probablity, I think it works. Such as giving you probablity as it relates to down and distance.

The problem is that positions are so specialized. How do you really guage how good a 2 gap DT is statistically?

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by Coolpapabell on Jun 29, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I have checked them out.

There still doesn’t seem like there is a good way to gauge individual perfromance on defense for certain positions.

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by Coolpapabell on Jun 29, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The measure of a metric is its predictive value.

To the extent that saber’s tools are predictive, they’re very useful. I know NOTHING about other sports’ advanced stats, but I don’t get the impression they have a record of good predictive value. But I may just be ignint.

by Kepler on Jun 29, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont see the JJ Barea-Eckstein comparison.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Like I said

I don’t even know who he is, just that Lehrer’s description made him sound like the sort of hustle-y, grission-y, light-on-talent player who fans and coaches and analysts adore.

by Eric Simon on Jun 29, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I am saying that I dont think the comparison makes too much sense.

Mainly because from what I have seen JJ Barea is actually talented. And if getting clotheslined means you are grissiony, than there’s that. Not just once, but twice. Grission.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

reading too much into it

It makes sense in the “gritty little dude with average skills who had a memorable championship run” sense. Eckstein is “actually talented”, too, or was back in the early `00s.

by roneBOFH on Jun 29, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I pay much more attention to basketball than baseball.

So I probably was too harsh to say that Eckstein was not actually talented. I still don’t really think this comparison is entirely appropriate.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You WHAT?!!?!?

Ah, NetsMets, not MetsNets. Got it. I’m a Wizards fan, so for me, basketball is about trying to get your team to chance its name to something less Klan-ish.

And, as legendary sports bloggers Wizznutzz, point out, the story of the Wizards is a story of overcoming odds. But mostly, it is a story of not overcoming odds.

by tmu on Jun 29, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell

I never noticed the Klan konnection. Huh. And to think they were the Bullets before that. I like the new unis/logos you guys have. Retro and classy.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Klan thing

I’ve heard the complaint. In truth, virtually every team name short of something nonsensical and idiotic (like “Phillies”) will offend someone. (Washington already has the worst name in pro sports for their football team. Egads.) But on top of any strained Klan connotation, “Wizards” is just a really, really stupid name. And as great a guy as Abe Pollin was, his obsession with blue and bronze color schemes was bizarre.

by tmu on Jun 29, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wizards is an odd name.

Magic was already taken I guess.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer "Wizards"

at least it’s plural.

The story is that Abe liked the alliteration and had wanted to use the name for a long time. They had a fan-voting “name the team” thingy where Wizards was up against some lousy fall guy names like “Express,” “Stallions” and “Sea Dogs.” Legend has it that the absurd “Sea Dogs” name was winning the contest by a wide margin. So, they pulled the plug, and the next thing you know, they’re the Wizards.

by tmu on Jun 29, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sea Dogs? Jeez.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I think of Washington, DC

I think of swarthy, rough sailors and . . . um, dogs.

by tmu on Jun 29, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seriously love this logo though

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

My only issue is

they took the colors of my Nets.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

aw man

I would have preferred not to imagine that star as ..

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by astromets on Jun 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

there’s room for more than one red, white, and (dark) blue team.

by tmu on Jun 29, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clippers have those same colors, too

I'm a New Yorker born and bred. I support my Jets, Mets, Red Storm and Islanders. I also love my out-of-state Bulls, Clippers, Cowboys & Fighting Irish.

by Xfactor26 on Jun 29, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clips are royal blue.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 30, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

When I was about 10

a buddy and i played nerf hoops all the time, and we created a league, and we named all the teams, the players on the teams, etc., and we’d play the games. What can I say, we had a lot of free time on our hands.

Anyway, one of the teams was the Seattle Seamen. His mom saw this list of team names on the standings we kept scrawled on a sheet of paper hung up in his room. She was cracking up. I was like “what’s so funny…hey, doh!”

by wobatus on Jun 29, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

JJ Barea is better at basketball then Eckstein is at baseball

the only comparison is they are small and “get the most out of their size.” Barea is a great athlete that can really jump, finish at the rim, hit 3s and he’s ridiculously fast with the ball.

by David G on Jun 29, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was very impressed in The Finals.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness to Eckstein

he put up 4.4 WAR on a championship team in 2002, and was above-replacement level (a 2.4 WAR full-season pace) for the 2006 champion Cards. For a 6 year stretch he was always above replacement level and 5 of those 6 years he broke the 2 mark if projected over a full year, thus creeping up toward the average level. If you can start and not suck on 2 championship teams in 5 years, and actually be pretty damn good on one, well, you aren’t that bad. And sure, i get that some feel he got overlauded for being a “winner” despite a small build, he was in fact for a bit a “good” or useful player despite a small build.

Yeah, I like Barea. He’s pretty good. And he did show some moxie. :)

I have read far more about Eckstein from people bemoaning that the MSM over-praised him than I ever read about him in the MSM. But i guess I don’t pay much attention to the MSM anymore anyway.

by wobatus on Jun 29, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

i actually think basketball is completely incomparable to baseball.

In basketball, one player can in fact influence a whole team (see LBJ taking Cleavland to the finals) where in baseball it is very hard for a single player to turn around a very bad team (if you put Reyes on the Astros right now, they will prob still suck).

A guy like SuperMac is fun to watch on a baseball field, getting his grisson all dirty and running hard on walks, but in the end can only effect what happens when he is up or when the ball is hit to him. His running hard had no effect on if Piazza hit a home run later in the game. In basketball, a guy like JJ runnin his ass of, diving around and making little plays directly effects guys like Dirk, who gets better spacing as players need to move out to match JJ’s hustle.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jun 29, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I find it poor that Lehrer would use a statistic reliant team like the Mavs in support of his argument, too.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

running hard on walks

Really? I just feel an overwhelming desire to punch the little twirp when he does that.

by SuperT on Jun 29, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only reason I liked it

is it reminded me of that trick play in little big league.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jun 29, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lehrer is a confused man.

He thinks his problem has to do with sabermetrics. It isn’t. His problem has to do with I guess a misuse of statistics. Or better yet, the failure to use ,uh, non-statistics. That is the user/non-user’s fault. Not sabermetrics.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

sadly, AA took over top search results
If you insist on reading it, you can Google “jonah lehrer being an asshole” (no quotes) and it’ll be the first search result.

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Jun 29, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

just

trolling for pageviews

What Would Matt Szczur Do?
Fact on Villanova Sports

by Hoyadestroya85 on Jun 29, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yes I was going to point that out.

lol.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent response, Eric

Too bad you didnt also cover Lehrer’s weak followup to the article and the uproar it created on his Wired column.

by chakrabs on Jun 29, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm
My sole point is that our newfound reliance on data and statistics naturally leads to their misapplication. Because we’re so enamored with the numbers, we tend to undervalue what can’t be compressed into numerical form, even as we pay lip service to the lingering importance of intangibles. This is a cognitive bias we all need to watch out for.

I agree with this, but that’s pretty watered-down compared to his original article. And, as folks here have pointed out, there’s a pretty glaring dearth of any examples of this bias leading us astray in the article.

by tmu on Jun 29, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

man he is getting ripped in those comments

brave of him to put that somewhere he could be directly criticized after sports columnist across the nation started coming out with their own retorts.

Seems like a smart guy (Rhodes scholars usually are) discussing an area way out of his expertise. He doesn’t have a full comprehension of what SABR is, or how fans use it yet, as is evidenced by his car analogy and how he discusses SABR. Also, this tidbit from the wired link shows how he doesn’t understand what SSS means and how HUGE it is to SABR

If you believe in stats, it’s not enough to say that Barea must have been the statistically-minded call, when we have no idea what those stats might be. (And when the stats we do have, such as +/-, suggest he wasn’t.)

Maybe he thought his genius would bowl us over, I don’t know, but I am not that impressed

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by astromets on Jun 29, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the fuck

I can’t believe that I just read both of these fucking articles. Holy shit.

by jmbrill on Jun 29, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea

I can’t believe you’re still around.

by Eric Simon on Jun 29, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest, and not as a criticism, Eric

I’ve had just as many infuriating conversations with people who think they’re saber as with people who think stats are “false hustle.” I do think Lehrer was criticizing the former group, and not siding with the latter. There are some people who don’t understand stats at all but trot them out in every argument, and are as woefully uninformed as people who don’t think certain stats are useful in sports at all, and these people really give fans like most of us at AA a really really bad rep. I don’t doubt there are coaches and executives who behave like this either, especially in sports that are much more difficult to quantify. In short, I enjoyed Lehrer’s article greatly, agreed with him on most everything, and also agreed with your article as well — I just think you missed the point a little.

by robotoverlord on Jun 29, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

The car metaphor is inexplicably bad

Someone who focuses too much on something relatively irrelevant like horsepower while ignoring more useful numbers sounds like… someone who focuses too much on something relatively irrelevant like batting average or RBI while ignoring more useful numbers. It works as a defense of sabermetrics, not an attack against it. Basically, as one of the other articles about this said, it’s like the guy thinks that sabermetrics is the opposite of what it is.

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by Joamiq on Jun 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Do we dismiss intangibles?

Yes, we do, when they’re presented by the media as the sole explanation (see Cora and leadership, Francoeur and smiles, Eckstein and being a winner) of a player’s purpose or reason why a team won.
Do they matter? I’m sure they do. There’s lots of mentions by ex-players (yes, I know) how being loose or carefree before a big game made them feel like the pressure was off.
Does having pressure affect someone’s performance? Yes, it could.
However, we can’t, and we don’t quantify intangibles. The purpose of sabermetrics, as Bill James said is

the search for objective knowledge about baseball

Intangibles aren’t objective knowledge. That’s what it comes down to.

And thus, as Eric said, the best analysts identify intangibles, and don’t explain them.
But when people say bs like “Beltran is a choker” or “Reyes is a loser”, that’s when intangibles should be ignored. Maybe that’s what Lehrer means. I’m not sure.

And this comment is a lot of babble too. Apologies.

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by Aidan Gibson on Jun 29, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of McEwing...

I remember reading some years ago that Tony LoRussa had once reserved a roster spot for a marginal player (in terms of performance) solely because of said player’s skills at stealing the opposing teams’ signs. I’ve always suspected that he was referring to McEwing, but, obviously, don’t know this. All of which is to confirm that a player’s contributions aren’t always reflected in numbers, traditional or modern.

by aqf on Jun 29, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Honestly I see both sides of this argument

And when I first started reading this site regularly I probably would have been on his side. But as I was on here more I realized that it isn’t all about stats as he says SABR people are. No one believes that intangibles don’t exist but to someone who doesn’t talk to “statheads” it may seem that way. Lehrer probably just hasn’t really met anyone who is into advanced stats and hasn’t been able to discuss the game with them. He just needs to be exposed to a few of these statheads and he’ll probably realize that his views aren’t all that different.

by ZZPops on Jun 29, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Enjoyed this mucho

It’s very easy for a smart guy to form a cute, glib opinion about something he’s passingly familiar with and be sure it “sheds new light” on the topic, thereby giving himself a pass on the thoroughness and the tough analytical thinking. Malcolm Gladwell is the supreme master of this form, so much so that maybe he’s actually a towering genius just having a laugh. Anyway, as someone said above it’s cool how the internet goes at these things with daggers drawn. It reminds me a bit of old literary/political journals of the 30s and 40s, when the intellectuals tore each other sideways over Trotyskyism and Art for Art’s Sake and other things that seemed to MATTER, in long, blunt essays. Not that we’re George Orwell and the War’s on or anything, but the mind WILL be lazy unless it’s pushed.

I doubt this guy was trolling. He just thought he was writing the same lazy, slanted opinion column everybody else in his field gets away with. And I’m glad he for one didn’t.

by Pack Bringley on Jun 29, 2011 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

p.s. It's important to note, I'm sure I do the same thing often

Most of us have far more opinions than are actually warranted. But I don’t write publicly about these things.

by Pack Bringley on Jun 29, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're 80 yrs old?

i am impressed—you know your way around the internet.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jun 30, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

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