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Absolutely stupid I must say for anyone to even hint at that….

Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....

by The real Julio from Paterson on Jun 3, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, I'd want to know who the GM who hired them was

so I could fleece that GM in many trades.

Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!

by Steve Schreiber on Jun 3, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saw this over at TedQuarters earlier.

Yup…just some good old fashioned idiocy.

Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!

by Steve Schreiber on Jun 3, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Articles like this make me wonder is the person writing it is just completely BSing

It is so hard to believe that any person that has made it to being an MLB scout would actually say they’d take Jeter over Reyes at this point in time.

by Balagast on Jun 3, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I sure hope these are the same scouts

in charge of making the first 12 draft picks on Monday

I for one welcome our new hedge fund overlord.

by Ownbey4Mex on Jun 3, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Scouts know nothing

I decided after reading Moneyball.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 3, 2011 4:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

This makes all the sense in the world

bizarro world that is oh and I would take Justin Turner over Chase Utley because of durability and attitude

by graves9 on Jun 3, 2011 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

This seems to be based more on Jeter's durability vs. Reyes

than on stats, plus………

Reyes is a loser who smiles too much and has no ringz

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Jun 3, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This has to be a joke.

There are really that many dumb people who are paid to watch baseball?

Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.

by bm01bath on Jun 3, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

From the original ESPN article:
The scouts continue to love — if we can make up a word — Jeter’s “Captain-ness.” They say he is about more than the numbers.
Scouts believe Jeter’s history of being a winning player who knows the right spot to be at all times still counts for something even with his skills decaying as his 37th birthday on June 26 approaches.
Still, the scouts liked Jeter better because, as one said, Jeter is “clutch.” Peralta entered Wednesday night hitting .280 with runners in scoring position, while Jeter is at .179 with RISP.
How about closer to home? Reyes? A healthy Reyes is dynamic. His .OPS is nearly .900 and he has scored more runs than any other shortstop in baseball. The scouts would rather have Jeter because of Reyes’ durability issues.
Jeter may not have the range, but he takes care of all the balls in front of him. This routine skill is more important with scoring down.
“It has taken on an increased premium,” a scout said.

So in sum, these scouts would rather have an over-the-hill guy who now sucks, but you can count on to suck each and every day over a guy OPS’ing .870.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 3, 2011 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Regarding that last quote

So now range isn’t as important making routine plays? Cause usually guys with good range make the routine play, and it’s even easier for them since they get there even fast than guys with no range, like Jeets.

by Evan_S on Jun 3, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

and how exactly is it now “an increased premium”?? are they implying that making basic plays is more important now than it used to be????

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Jun 3, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its nice to know that

if you a ball right at Jeter he will catch it. That’s something, I guess. So he is more valuable than a statue, or a guy with no arms. Personally I prefer my fielders to be able to move to get to a ball and have the range to stop hits even if this means he makes the occasional error and doesn’t have a perfect fielding percentage.

by MatthewM11 on Jun 13, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he's clutch!

Duh

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 3, 2011 7:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thats because

he has an edge

what a bunch idiots

by rcnt123 on Jun 3, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

ummmmmmmmm

NBC scouts must be pretty awesome. those scouts may prefer Jeter, but anyone who can make a decision in baseball would take Reyes

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Jun 3, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

the incredible thing is

that these “scouts” also prefer alex gonzales, yunel escobar, jimmy rollins, alexei ramirez and elvis andrus as well. you wanna tell me starlin castro, tulo, and asdrubal cabrera, fine. i may not agree w/ you but you still can be charitably called “lucid”. the others ahead of reyes (and hanley for that matter) is quite simply, preposterous

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Jun 3, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

ha ha great points

It’s just absurd to say that those players are better than Reyes or Hanley.

by MatthewM11 on Jun 13, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thought my day couldn't get better

after my boss sent me home early on a Friday and told me to “go drink some beers or something”…but then I learn that I’m smarter than MLB scouts? Talk about a boost of the ego

by ZZPops on Jun 3, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I hope you drank some beers or something.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 3, 2011 7:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well I had to

don’t want to get fired

by ZZPops on Jun 3, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good man

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 4, 2011 7:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Fan post time!

"You're Darryl Strawberry!" "Yes?" "You play right field!" "Yes?" "Well, are you better than me?" "I've never met you.... but.... yes."

by Five-Tool Tool on Jun 3, 2011 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm more offended

that these scouts would take Alex Gonzalez over Jose Reyes. Sam had it 100% right when he said:

“The critics hide behind the veil of scouting because it is the black box of front offices. Really, they are just anti-sabermetric and often anti-intellectual, drawing on all of thecscouting communities’ credibility and none of its expertise. But proponents of sabermetrics refrain from calling these people on the carpet for fear of playing into the Moneyball stereotype of wanting scouts of baseball.
Most sabermetricians, in their heart of hearts, know that scouts have no business evaluating major league talent. Sure, a team should bring in an expert to analyze the mechanics of a broken player, but asking a scout to evaluate two free agent players is a terrible waste of man hours and can only lead to a wrong answer. Ryan Howard is better than Albert Pujols? OK, thanks for your input, please go watch some high school games.”

What's that about?

by Brian. on Jun 4, 2011 1:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yep, great quotes

I think baseball is a sport that can be very misleading when you watch a handfull of games versus referring to stats. In hockey you can watch one or two games and be 100% confident who the best players on the ice were. I was talking about this with my Dad the other night. If the only Met game you saw all season was the (i think) Wednesday night game when Ronny Paulino hit that monster home-run you might conclude he was the best player on the team. You can’t tell the difference between a .270 hitter and a .300 hitter by watching even most games in a season. The game lies, the stats tell the truth. Scouts watch players but sabermetricians refer to actual production of those players. You can have a toolsy guy hit .235 and a soft-bodied unathletic guy hit .290 with power and patience. You have to almost forget what you watch and refer only to the numbers to really evaluate a guy.

by MatthewM11 on Jun 13, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, I was going to post the same quote

Sam was right on.

"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."

by Joamiq on Jun 21, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just

called up colin doucheherd

he agreed with these scouts that Jeter>Reyes. So I agreed with him, and so we agreed. It was fucking logic

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Jun 4, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Doucheherd

Is more obnoxious than Rick Rilley, Kenny Maine, Woody Paige, Jim Rome and Jay Mariotti combined.

Insert witty signature here

by BlueChill on Jun 4, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow that's crazy

I just don’t get the Jeter man-crush that fans, the media and now apparantly scouts have. I just hate all the “he’s a proven winner, look at the ringZ” mentality. Would they not have won if they had Reyes or Hanley playing shortstop instead of Jeter? Come on. Teams win, not individual players. And its nice that Jeter is a leader, but how exactly does that correlate to wins? I’m not saying it doesn’t at all, but I don’t think it has nearly the impact fans, writers and scouts think. Reyes and especially Hanley have been viewed at times as immature or cocky or whatever, versus Jeters stoic personality. How much does this factor into the view of these guys? I bet this does and I also wonder also if there isn’t a little bit of xenophobia and bias towards the American Jeter. The stoic hard-working American versus the immature, cocky latin players. None of this stuff really matters when you get down to brass tacks and look at the production of these players and what they really do for their team.

by MatthewM11 on Jun 13, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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