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If I was a GM, I'd want a list of these scouts
If anyone of them worked for me, a pink slip would be on the way. The rest would be blacklisted from ever working for me.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
by Russ on Jun 3, 2011 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
This, rec'd
Absolutely stupid I must say for anyone to even hint at that….
Undefeated is the new "Winning".
Duh, undefeated....
by The real Julio from Paterson on Jun 3, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I'd want to know who the GM who hired them was
so I could fleece that GM in many trades.
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Jun 3, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Saw this over at TedQuarters earlier.
Yup…just some good old fashioned idiocy.
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
Articles like this make me wonder is the person writing it is just completely BSing
It is so hard to believe that any person that has made it to being an MLB scout would actually say they’d take Jeter over Reyes at this point in time.
I sure hope these are the same scouts
in charge of making the first 12 draft picks on Monday
I for one welcome our new hedge fund overlord.
Scouts know nothing
I decided after reading Moneyball.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 3, 2011 4:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This makes all the sense in the world
bizarro world that is oh and I would take Justin Turner over Chase Utley because of durability and attitude
This seems to be based more on Jeter's durability vs. Reyes
than on stats, plus………
Reyes is a loser who smiles too much and has no ringz
One day, this team is going to kill me.
by fxcarden on Jun 3, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This has to be a joke.
There are really that many dumb people who are paid to watch baseball?
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
From the original ESPN article:
The scouts continue to love — if we can make up a word — Jeter’s “Captain-ness.” They say he is about more than the numbers.
Scouts believe Jeter’s history of being a winning player who knows the right spot to be at all times still counts for something even with his skills decaying as his 37th birthday on June 26 approaches.
Still, the scouts liked Jeter better because, as one said, Jeter is “clutch.” Peralta entered Wednesday night hitting .280 with runners in scoring position, while Jeter is at .179 with RISP.
How about closer to home? Reyes? A healthy Reyes is dynamic. His .OPS is nearly .900 and he has scored more runs than any other shortstop in baseball. The scouts would rather have Jeter because of Reyes’ durability issues.
Jeter may not have the range, but he takes care of all the balls in front of him. This routine skill is more important with scoring down.
“It has taken on an increased premium,” a scout said.
So in sum, these scouts would rather have an over-the-hill guy who now sucks, but you can count on to suck each and every day over a guy OPS’ing .870.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Regarding that last quote
So now range isn’t as important making routine plays? Cause usually guys with good range make the routine play, and it’s even easier for them since they get there even fast than guys with no range, like Jeets.
yeah
and how exactly is it now “an increased premium”?? are they implying that making basic plays is more important now than it used to be????
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
With scoring down, the things most people can do are obviously more important.
Duh.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Its nice to know that
if you a ball right at Jeter he will catch it. That’s something, I guess. So he is more valuable than a statue, or a guy with no arms. Personally I prefer my fielders to be able to move to get to a ball and have the range to stop hits even if this means he makes the occasional error and doesn’t have a perfect fielding percentage.
Because he's clutch!
Duh
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 3, 2011 7:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats because
he has an edge
what a bunch idiots
ummmmmmmmm
NBC scouts must be pretty awesome. those scouts may prefer Jeter, but anyone who can make a decision in baseball would take Reyes
I LIKE IKE!
the incredible thing is
that these “scouts” also prefer alex gonzales, yunel escobar, jimmy rollins, alexei ramirez and elvis andrus as well. you wanna tell me starlin castro, tulo, and asdrubal cabrera, fine. i may not agree w/ you but you still can be charitably called “lucid”. the others ahead of reyes (and hanley for that matter) is quite simply, preposterous
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Thought my day couldn't get better
after my boss sent me home early on a Friday and told me to “go drink some beers or something”…but then I learn that I’m smarter than MLB scouts? Talk about a boost of the ego
by ZZPops on Jun 3, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hope you drank some beers or something.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 3, 2011 7:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good man
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
AA Gamethread Embiggening Record Holder- 453 posts (10/03/10)
3rd Place- 2011 AAOP Contest
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 4, 2011 7:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fan post time!
"You're Darryl Strawberry!" "Yes?" "You play right field!" "Yes?" "Well, are you better than me?" "I've never met you.... but.... yes."
these scouts were polled 5 years ago
I LIKE IKE!
I'm more offended
that these scouts would take Alex Gonzalez over Jose Reyes. Sam had it 100% right when he said:
“The critics hide behind the veil of scouting because it is the black box of front offices. Really, they are just anti-sabermetric and often anti-intellectual, drawing on all of thecscouting communities’ credibility and none of its expertise. But proponents of sabermetrics refrain from calling these people on the carpet for fear of playing into the Moneyball stereotype of wanting scouts of baseball.
Most sabermetricians, in their heart of hearts, know that scouts have no business evaluating major league talent. Sure, a team should bring in an expert to analyze the mechanics of a broken player, but asking a scout to evaluate two free agent players is a terrible waste of man hours and can only lead to a wrong answer. Ryan Howard is better than Albert Pujols? OK, thanks for your input, please go watch some high school games.”
What's that about?
by Brian. on Jun 4, 2011 1:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yep, great quotes
I think baseball is a sport that can be very misleading when you watch a handfull of games versus referring to stats. In hockey you can watch one or two games and be 100% confident who the best players on the ice were. I was talking about this with my Dad the other night. If the only Met game you saw all season was the (i think) Wednesday night game when Ronny Paulino hit that monster home-run you might conclude he was the best player on the team. You can’t tell the difference between a .270 hitter and a .300 hitter by watching even most games in a season. The game lies, the stats tell the truth. Scouts watch players but sabermetricians refer to actual production of those players. You can have a toolsy guy hit .235 and a soft-bodied unathletic guy hit .290 with power and patience. You have to almost forget what you watch and refer only to the numbers to really evaluate a guy.
Ha, I was going to post the same quote
Sam was right on.
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
Just
called up colin doucheherd
he agreed with these scouts that Jeter>Reyes. So I agreed with him, and so we agreed. It was fucking logic
I LIKE IKE!
Doucheherd
Is more obnoxious than Rick Rilley, Kenny Maine, Woody Paige, Jim Rome and Jay Mariotti combined.
Insert witty signature here
if Reyes had won all those ringz, how differently would these "scouts" feel?
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
Wow that's crazy
I just don’t get the Jeter man-crush that fans, the media and now apparantly scouts have. I just hate all the “he’s a proven winner, look at the ringZ” mentality. Would they not have won if they had Reyes or Hanley playing shortstop instead of Jeter? Come on. Teams win, not individual players. And its nice that Jeter is a leader, but how exactly does that correlate to wins? I’m not saying it doesn’t at all, but I don’t think it has nearly the impact fans, writers and scouts think. Reyes and especially Hanley have been viewed at times as immature or cocky or whatever, versus Jeters stoic personality. How much does this factor into the view of these guys? I bet this does and I also wonder also if there isn’t a little bit of xenophobia and bias towards the American Jeter. The stoic hard-working American versus the immature, cocky latin players. None of this stuff really matters when you get down to brass tacks and look at the production of these players and what they really do for their team.































