Braves 6, Mets 3: Niese's Brilliant Start Goes to Waste
by Chris McShane on Jun 3, 2011 9:59 PM EDT
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Jason Isringhausen and Francisco Rodriguez each had an ERA far better than his xFIP entering the game, and regression is cruel beast. In an inning and a third of work, the two pitchers allowed four runs to score, swinging the game from a one-run lead to a three-run deficit.
Before the game got ugly, Jon Niese was magnificent, allowing only two runs through 7.2 innings while striking out seven and walking only one. Needing 111 pitches to get through those innings, he was fairly efficient in his outing.
Niese allowed the first run of the game to score in the second inning when Joe Mather singled in a run with runners on second and third with one out. Luckily, the Braves attempted a safety squeeze with Derek Lowe at the plate, and it failed miserably as Alex Gonzalez was a dead duck between third base and home plate. Niese got Jordan Schafer out to end the inning without further damage.
The Mets' depleted lineup was making very good contact against Lowe early in the game, but they broke through in the fourth inning to score three. Thanks to a blown call by the umpire at third base, Jose Reyes was able to start the inning with a triple. Justin Turner grounded out, but Carlos Beltran drilled a single through the right side of the infield to score Reyes. Jason Bay didn't do any harm by drawing a walk, and Daniel Murphy and Angel Pagan followed up with an RBI single, and the Mets were ahead by two.
The score stayed that way until the top of the eighth inning when Chipper Jones led off with a monster home run to left field that hit the deck outside the Acela Club. Niese stayed in to record the next two outs, but he was pulled with Dan Uggla coming up to the plate.
Isringhausen was called upon from the bullpen, and he walked Uggla, he of the .241 OBP at the beginning of the day. Izzy then bounced a pitch for a swinging strike, but it got far away from Josh Thole, and Uggla advanced on the wild pitch. To top it off, Izzy got a ground ball to short that should have ended the inning, but it went right under Jose Reyes' glove, and the tying run scored.
Jonny Venters was Jonny Venters in the bottom of the inning, dominating three of the four hitters he faced, and Francisco Rodriguez's recent struggles continued in the top of the ninth. Eric Hinske hit a home run just barely over the right field wall between the Mo's Zone and the foul pole to put the Braves up a run. After a Martin Prado laser to left-center, Chipper Jones struck out, and the Mets chose to intentionally walk Brian McCann. Freddie Freeman drilled a double to score both baserunners, and the Braves were up 6-3.
Other than an Angel Pagan single in the ninth, Craig Kimbrel had no problem sealing the victory for the Braves, and Willie Harris fittingly struck out to end the game. His presence on the roster is mind-boggling.
The Mets lost another very winnable game this evening, and Sandy Alderson said after the game that David Wright's visit to the doctor today indicated that he needs to remain inactive for an additional three weeks. I'm not sure anyone believed that he'd be ready by the end of his original stint on the disabled list, but that's still very disappointing news.
There was a scary moment in the game as Jordan Schafer attempted to bunt in the top of the fifth inning but got a pitch inside from Niese and fouled it right into his face. He was able to walk off under his own power but was taken to the hospital for x-rays.
The series continues tomorrow evening at 7:10 pm as Dillon Gee takes the hill for the Metsies, and red-hot Jair Jurrjens starts for the Braves.
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Win Probability Added
Big winners: Jon Niese, +20.6% WPA
Big losers: Francisco Rodriguez, -46.8% WPA, Jason Isringhausen, -25.9% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Jose Reyes triple in the fourth, +13.5% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Eric Hinske solo home run in the ninth, -39.6% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: -52.0% WPA
Total batter WPA: +2.0% WPA
GWRBI!: Eric Hinske
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by fxcarden; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
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| 2 | sp0rtsfan86 | 104 |
| 3 | MetsFan4Decades | 100 |
| 4 | reyoreyo | 90 |
| 5 | freakystyley | 86 |
| 6 | CTRefJay | 84 |
| 7 | TKFJ | 72 |
| 8 | Xfactor26 | 63 |
| 9 | bm01bath | 56 |
| 10 | Evan_S | 53 |
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To top this shitfest of a game off, Sandy says Wright will remain inactive for another 3 weeks
So we’re stuck with this “lineup” for at least a month
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
seriously?
Fuuuuck. If that’s not waving the white flag,what is
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Jun 3, 2011 10:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fuckin a man
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jun 3, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Why did I expect him to be back earlier?
I need to stop getting my hopes up.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
At least Turner's coming through
better than expected. I give Oberkfell credit for putting in a good word for him
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my fantasy team is fucked
EFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!
/rages
I've had 20 individual players hit the DL at some point spread over three rosters.
Joe Mauer (x2), Josh Hamilton, Nelson Cruz, Andrew Bailey (x2), Chase Utley, Zack Greinke, Ike Davis, Brian Wilson, Mat Latos, Logan Morrison, Pedro Alvarez (x2), Shane Dictorino, Carlos Pena, Brain Roberts, Phil Hughes (x2), Brandon McCarthy, Bobby Parnell, Alex White, Josh Johnson, and now Buster Posey.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
You're snakebit.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jun 4, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
losses like this piss me off to no end
Stupid mistakes, jose and bbrod all on you guys. When will this team put it fucking together and bring back good times?
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Jun 3, 2011 10:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Can we get an approximate date when hell will freeze over???
That day.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Nah
itll be way before the Cubs.
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Jun 3, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I say 2013
for the Mets, I believe the Cubs are about to crater. I expect a good show.
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Jun 3, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i want to win now
not 2 years from now when the reaper einhorn takes over now!
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Holy crap
I am so glad for that comment. Have not been following the Wilpon thing much at all. The guy with the painted kids hand sweatshirt is taking over? I will be reading AA everyday from now on.
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Jun 3, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't prevent you Braves fan...
but I wish you would not.
I don’t like that enjoy our pain.
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he blurb at
deadspin after the last comment. So this is supposed to be really bad?
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Jun 3, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry got chopped
I just read a brief blurb
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Jun 3, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I have only heard positive things about..
Einhorn, can’t be any worse than the Wilponzi’s.
At least he grew up a Mets fan.
Irrational Mets fan known for memorable ranting and raving, when things inevitably go wrong.
Ok, other than
the odd factor, doesnt seem so bad to me. So possibly there might be a better owner and a team without some bad contracts forming a new identity in a year or two. Waiting sucks, but sounds like it could be worse.
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Jun 3, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
look im in a bad place with this team. so take this for what its worth
i now remember why i hate those assholes from the atl. timely hits combined with mets fuck ups. fuck them…fuck larry..fuck his kid…fuck the braves…
god damn it mets win fucking ball games
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Please fill me
in if you feel like it. So what is this supposed to do?
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Jun 3, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It makes us all feel better.
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Id pour you one
I got mine.
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by otisnixon'sparty on Jun 3, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh shit what Sandy saying
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
Wright wont be here for at least 3 weeks
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
And apparently they knew this from the begining
I wish they would’y lie all the freaking time.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Sandy saying
he was kinda shocked that hed be gone for another 3 weeks
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jun 3, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I have heard the words
“kinda shocked” before about hearing a player is injured.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jun 3, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but he totally BS'ed that answer
The next question was, “If this was based off of the original diagnosis, why didn’t you know this from the begining”
And he just dodged the question…He’s still dodging them….Saying he doesn’t know why the doctors would not be upfront with them…WTF? The doctors weren’t upfront with you? Please. They just don’t want to depress the fans.
3 weeks until he even gets looked at again, so he’s not coming back till ASB at the soonest.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
I'm not sure about that.
What did they buy by supposedly not telling fans he’d be out for 6 weeks if they knew for sure up front?
Either way, water under the bridge.
And I knew from the get go it wouldn’t be 3 weeks, maybe that’s why I’m ‘meh’ on this news. I had the same injury. 3 weeks would be a joke.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 3, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If you knew it, and the Doctors knew it
It’s a wonder that Sandy and David didn’t think so. Doctors told them six weeks, they told the fans something different.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
See my comment down below.
Apparently, David was hoping that the fracture happened earlier than that play at 3rd which in his mind could equate to part of that healing time having been weeks he actually was playing.
Now…I don’t know why he thought that. Doctors didn’t communicate it well? From my experience, I can believe that.
Wright wanting to hope against hope? I can believe that too.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 3, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't buy that though
Doctors say you need to be inactive for six weeks, that means inactive for six weeks. It’s silly to hear that Wright thought he would have started the healing process while still playing baseball.
And error in communication doesn’t make sense. Sandy says " We know this is how long it takes for it to heal" and Wright was pretty clear in saying that “The Doctors told us it should take about six weeks”. Then Wright went on to say, well, they told us six weeks, but I thought I might’ve been healing already. Just silly.
They just wanted to keep fans interested, maybe sell a couple extra tickets on the homestand, etc. As you said, you could tell from the begining he’d be out longer because that’s how long stress fractures take. The Mets are just habitual liars when it comes to injuries.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
'Cause
Wright was apparently trying to convince them the injury happened earlier than that play at 3rd. Translation to me – he had back pain going back some time.
Therefore, in his mind, his 6 weeks sentence should already be up.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 3, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
love our traing staff
love our training staff
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Jun 3, 2011 10:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*jason derulo voice*
Its 2009
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
Our bullpen fucking sucks
Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
to a degree yes
Izzy has been solid and for the most part so have beato and walkrod. Bbrod chose today to throw nice fat ones over the middle, still ticked about it
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Jun 3, 2011 10:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also doesnt help that our offense becomes extinct by the 8th inning.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jun 3, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Was hoping that was the beginning of a joke.
So Wright, Ike and Johan walk into a bar.
Now somebody else finish it.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 3, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
dubs,ike,and johan walk into a bar
are immediately placed on ibprofen and rest as a precautionary measure
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Jun 3, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ike, Dubs, and Johan walk into a bar and pick a fight with a really wimpy dude.
Johan’s punch misses and hurts his shoulder, Dubs tries to tackle but flies over the bar and breaks his back on the floor, Ike misses a kick, falls awkwardly and hurts his ankle.
tears
This is what passes for a joke these days. Sandy:
“Who knows, maybe we’ll have Wright back for Johan’s first start.”
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
thats what Im saying
lucky those were just journalists, no fans
Why is the shit organization cursed?
We are good people baseball gods, we are not insufferable mongos like Yankee fans and Philly fans, and yet you punish us so cruely.
You gave us Ray Ramirez, Steve Phillips, Omar Minaya, Tony Bernazard, The Wilpons, and whatever other dreck that has managed to make us a laughingstock over the years.
We blow leads and games in unique and interesting ways every 2 days, and you make me question my sanity every 5 minutes.
Please give us a sign.
In the name of Mike Piazza, Keith Hernandez, Tom Seaver and RA Dickey.
RAmen.
Irrational Mets fan known for memorable ranting and raving, when things inevitably go wrong.
fred?
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Jun 3, 2011 10:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I really just need to vent on this...
I honestly don’t know how much more I can take. I (and I’m sure many of you) put a huge emotional investment into the team; losing is one thing, but when its like this…how much more painful can it get? I have to listen to outsiders call this team crap, when I know that they could EASILY be at .500 right now and a few games out of a wild card spot. All the “what-if’s” are so god damn frustrating…
About two weeks ago, this bullpen was on an unthinkable run (as the rotation was finally starting to come around), and we hit .500. The rotation, for the most part, is where it should be, but now that it is, not only is the ’pen struggling, but EVERYONE in the pen is struggling.
So, yeah. This just really sucks…and it’s so frustrating to KNOW that this team does not have to be 5 games under .500 right now, and really shouldn’t be at all.
Why shouldn't this team be 5 games under?
They aren’t very good. Okay offense, awful starting pitching, and generally a weak bullpen. Even bad teams “click” for a while, but the Mets are more likely to play poorly than to play well.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
We are also missing our corner infielders...
They were a .500 team with three of our best six hitters out of the lineup. These last 5 losses have been ridiculous…I think they set some sort of record tonight. I feel like they’re a few pitches away from being within striking distance of the Marlins…the entire bullpen is cold right now.
It is frustrating to lose like we do...
but we really should not be better.
Good teams win
Bad teams lose
And as expected we are a bad team.
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Yeah,
with a makeshift SP staff, 2 core guys on extended DL, Pagan MIA for a month, and Harris still on this team (ha-ha), anything better than we are right now would probably be considered gravy. Or a miracle.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 3, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone else have flashes
Of a jerry and omar post game presser right now. Beer who can spare a case?
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Jun 3, 2011 10:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm no doctor, but if the player thinks he feels fine, don't you think you should at least give him an mri to check?
I mean, don’t you want to have the best team out there? You owe it to the fans to get your best players out there, and it seems like there just shutting him down for no reason.
Not for nothing but
that’s how Wright got to this point. He continually said nothing was wrong and hid the pain and had to be forced to take an MRI that revealed the injury he had. I wouldn’t trust him with the decision…he’s frankly proved himself to be a habitual liar about his health.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 3, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If this is indeed off the original diagnosis
and they didn’t get any new information, then they were simply lying before. Just a week ago Sandy said that Ike and Wright could be back by the end of this ten game home stand. There’s no way he thought that was legit.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Not in my opinion.
If the original tests showed a stress fracture, that should be 2 months of inactivity for most.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 3, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Wright basically admitted as much
The doctors told him six weeks initially, but Wright says “we were hopefuly” ie: we lied.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
on a legit medical note
i’ve had stress fractures in both feet. they take a while to heal. when i got them diagnossed proberlly 2 weeks and i was fine. but before then i was limping and unable to walk. so the total time to heal took months instead of days(weeks)
them shits are annoying.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
I've had the same injury Wright does,
only I did not know it until it was too late. Left undiagnosed = permanent damage.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 3, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
usually how it goes with any injury
but man i can only imagine back pain being may the most excrutiating thing ever
I hate Philadelphia so much.
take it easy there.
David Wright’s long term health is more important that winning games, or his own desire to help the team. He’s no good to us at all with a permanently damaged back.
It’s not like his return will make a huge difference. Even if he accounted for 1 run extra per game, we’d still lose.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
New theory...
The Mets trainers and doctors were planted by the late George Steinbrenner in order to insure a Yankees World Order.
Fred Wilpon was enticed to purchase the Mets in order to punish the National League baseball fans of New York.
Omar Minaya and Bernazard are robots destined to be loser best friends by design, thus explaining their interests in the Expos/Nats and NY Mets.
Adam Rubin is really a martyr who is attempting to overthrow the current regime and restore the Mets back to quiet mediocrity.
The Curse of Omar was a ploy to make us realize this and now we know.
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LOL
pretty funny and I hope bizarro world b/c if Rubin was the savior, we’d be in worse shape than we are now.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 3, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
O.K., Wright explained it better.
He said that ‘they’ (I guess meaning him and the Mets) that the injury was done earlier than that play at 3rd that day and that 3 of the 6 weeks of rest would have actually included some of his previous playing time.
No dice.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 3, 2011 10:34 PM EDT reply actions
Ridiculous
I’m as diehard as the rest of you and have been a relatively optimistic fan, even with all the BS going on the last few years, but anyone who spends a dollar to go see this team anymore really needs to have their head examined. The WHOLE ENTIRE organization doesn’t have a clue.. This team is going to be cursed until hopefully the Wilpon’s lose this lawsuit and possibly sell this team.. They say what goes around, comes around.. Makes you think the Wilpons had a clue as to what was going on with Madoff.. Karma is a b@tch right? And it’s the way they lose games. Can’t field balls, don’t know what base to throw to, don’t know how to step on a base. Nobody makes a play in a big spot either on offense or defense in a big spot. You can almost predict what’s going to take place in big spots before it happens with this team. I have never seen anything like it in my 33 yrs of watching baseball.
No.
Sorry, but this is bullshit. Bad things happened today. I fully believe that they massaged what they knew about Wright’s injury, because that’s how the Wilpons operate, and apparently Sandy buys into ticket selling above all else. Sob. I loved you, Sandy.
But if you haven’t been holding your breath every time Isringhausen has been out there lately, you haven’t been watching. And, yay that Frankie decided to combine his blowing of a game with Isringhausen’s, I guess.
I would much rather have Ike and Wright here, but I like to watch this team play games. Yes, I had been thinking, early season, that if things broke just so, perhaps I could keep hoping all the way to August, or with some miracles, even into September. Well, things aren’t breaking that way, and we’ll have no miracles this year. No big surprise. But still – I like watching these guys play. They’re a bit makeshift, half of them are fill-ins, and I know the theme right now is “execution,” and they’re seen to be failing desperately, but I’ve got to think the makeshift-ness has something to do with that, and anyway it’s not as pervasive as the storyline suggests. They’re making great plays all the time, it’s just when a game ends up a clusterfuck, people get a laser focus on who and what can be blamed.
So, watch the team. Enjoy the team. I can’t make any case for Bay (except I do feel a bit sorry for him, he’s got to be wondering what the hell happened to his life), but the rest of them, I like watching. For a not-small portion of baseball fans around the country, this is their life – no reasonable hope of making the play-offs, but still, it’s baseball. Baseball on a summer day – it’s a gift, and you just deny yourself if you think it’s worthless unless it can possibly result in end-of-season bragging rights.
by SuperT on Jun 4, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When you see how bad they are in 1 run games
it’s hard not to think this team could have been competitive and competed for a WC spot with just a few little breaks, some better decisions from Terry and Bay not being a corpse. But, good teams win 1 run games, I guess. Even now, there only 6 games out of the WC. But I fear the worst is to come with Ike and David out for another month. It’s a sad day in Metland.
Willie Harris
Dump this useless, washed up player. Give the kids a chance. THis is totally sickening!!!
he continues his mets killing ways
this time internally. WILLIE HARRIS SABATOUER!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Harrotage? Willitage?
He used to be a Brave so maybe this is Glavotage round two
Last year GMJR.
was cut on June 4th. Let’s all hope for some symmetry. Somehow Matthews was even worse, but Harris is doing more damage since he’s getting more at bats it seems. Get Duda or Fisher or Satin the eff up here. TODAY.
The more I think about this, the more I'm starting to believe
that Wright had pain in his back far longer than that play at 3rd.
And since he did, he was trying to convince all that the fracture happened weeks ago and therefore his 6 weeks of rest should just be about up.
Doctors weren’t buying it and couldn’t verify when the injury happening in any event.
So to them, it was 6 weeks from when it was diagnosed?
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 3, 2011 10:41 PM EDT reply actions
Indeed
A few days ago the Mets said they now think that the play at third simply aggravated a preexisting injury.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Exactly.
Sounds like Wright had lower back pain a lot longer than we knew and maybe even his bosses.
And nice try but since the doctors could not verify when he fractured that lower back, they’re erroring on the side of caution and going with the 6 weeks of rest from when they diagnosed it, I suppose.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 3, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Ianad, but I thought stress fracture generally don't have a single precipitating event
It takes repeated stress. Maybe when we were oohing and aahing over his new hardbody physique, it was the offseason weight training that messed his back up.
Not so.
you can certainly fracture it in one single incident.
Bottom line is there is no way for them to know when this actually happened.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 3, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok...
so not watching the game tomorrow..
USA vs. Spain followed by Red Bulls with a side of Stanley Cup playoffs.
I’ll check in on our blown lead periodically so it does not hurt as much.
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i'll not watch either
family affair(cousing graduation+her acceptance in to chapel hill) and the cup finals.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
I should just give up hoping against the vest, right?
Time to move on and hope for PUP or something?
the vest is happening
its a matter when not if. he is untradable. like bay. we are stuck with his shit until we find away to walk away
I hate Philadelphia so much.
monetarily no
performance wise i’d say he may as well be. hes been getting shelled recently
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Not much to be positive about as a Mets fan,but
Jon Niese’s maturation and development into a darn good pitcher is one thing. I love this kids stuff and guile. He should be a good one for a long time. I remember when he came up a few years ago, scouts were quoted as saying he’s gonna be a #5 starter, and that they’d have no issue dealing him. Imo he’s gonna be a very good #3 starter, and maybe even a #2 starter going forward. If this team is good again anytime soon he’ll be a big reason why they are.
this
Niese and Gee are really the only two reasons to watch the mets.At least until Dubs, Ike, and Johan come back
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by Jadden Hopkins on Jun 3, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I really enjoy watching Niese too.
He has really good stuff, it seems like his only problem is that he can go through rough patches like he did in the first few innings today where he gives up a lot of hits.
Other that that he is a lot of fun to watch. His curve is a beautiful thing, especially when he drops it in for a called strike, and he also has the great cutter, fastball he can amp up to 93-94 occasionally, etc. He is unhittable at times
Can't understand why Niese was removed with Uggla coming up.
And why Krod was allowed to continue to get smacked around.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
If they took him out he wouldn't be a game closer to his vest.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
I was at the game, Reyes triple was the highlight. I even saw a bunch of people with Don't Trade Reyes shirts.
Fuck Terry. I really believe that if he left Niese in to face Uggla he would have gotten him. The dude was 0-3, and hitting .170 in JUNE.
Unfortunately, Niese is a lefty and Uggla is a righty. It is fucking logic.
There was a rally at the Shea Bridge, lobby to keep Reyes
The members were all there in orange shirts, showed it on TV and everything.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Right, it's Terry's fault that Reyes couldn't field a fucking ground ball.
Fucking logic
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Also, a righty had hit a 400 something foot HR off of Niese earlier in the inning
But why let that get in the way of blaym Terry??
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Yeah, because Uggla is hitting as well as Larry has been vLHP.
But why let facts get in the way?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
I guess Terry's thinking was Niese had thrown 111 pitches, and regardless of Uggla's miserable year, he's still a HR threat
Niese could have gotten Uggla out, or he couldn’t have. We’ll never know. What we do know is, that regardless of the Uggla walk, the Mets would have had lead going into 9th had Reyes simply fielded an easy groundball.
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I'm not going to excuse a bad managerial move because of an error that happened later.
All the relevant numbers say that Niese v. Uggla was a better match up than Izzy v. Uggla. It’s not even close really. If Collins really felt Niese was at the end of his rope (even though he just struck out Freeman), he should have brought in Byrdak, not Izzy (who he has even said he feels he’s over using).
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
You act as if Uggla has been effective against RHP.
Oh, and how in the world is it not even close??? Isringhausen holds RH batters to a .525 OPS, whereas for Niese, it’s .789.
It wasn’t a bad move just because it didn’t work out.
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Uggla's been bad vRHP, but he's been pitiful vLHP.
vLHP: 107/.194/.143
vRHP: .199/.259./.378
You were concerned about a HR? Well then you should want him facing a lefty because he’s hit all 7 of his HR’s this year off RHP.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Niese deserved 1 more out
also, need to factor in that Izzy is overworked. He’s not supposed to be pitching every goddamn day. Does he have to pitch in every single freaking 8th inning? Especially when he’s been shaky? Same with Franky, he’s also been overused and pitched in games where he’s not even needed. That’s on Terry for overworking these guys. One way to not overwork guys? Let your starter get a .170 hitter.
That ground ball doesn't happen if Izzy doesn't walk Uggla.
Uggla is batting .107/.194/.143 vLHP.
.199/.259./.378 vRHP.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
From what I remember, Uggla has good career numbers against Niese
and I could understand this argument had Gonzalez hit a clean single. But regardless of Uggla walking, Izzy got the out he needed, and Reyes couldn’t field it.
I don’t know, I’m just getting tired of this whole “blame Terry every time something goes wrong” schtick that people seem to have.
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The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
I questioned the move the moment he pulled Niese.
FWIW: .462/.462/.692 career line v. Niese in 13 AB’s.
.500/.500/.500 v. Izzy in 4 AB’s.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Niese was at 111 pitches. It's not worst decision in world.
Izzy walking Uggla was bad. But in the end, it shouldn’t have mattered, because he got Gonzalez to ground out.
It’s just such BS to constantly blame the manager. The bullpen is terrible, and the lineup is AA worthy. You could get a manager with a 250 IQ, and this team would still suck.
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The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
It just seems to show an over-reliance on the RHB v LHP/LHB v RHP match-up BS.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
And it's not like this is the first questionable in-game move he's made.
It’s just the latest in a surprisingly long list.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
He's definitely not a great manager and he definitely makes dumb decision at times
But imo, criticizing him for a mistake hat was no fault of his own seems unfair.
PH Harris for Tejada? Inexplicably dumb. This Eh.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
I was at the game, and my first thought when Terry came out of the dugout to take Niese out was WTF
He had given up a homer earlier in the inning, but he had also gotten the next two out handily, including a strikeout. I still think that Niese would have gotten through the inning, and he definitely would not have walked Uggla. He did non unintentionally walk anyone all game.
With the way that Uggla has hit this year, fuck lefty righty.
Weird thing about Collins
He let Niese pitch to Tulowitzki with a base open and Jose Freakin Lopez on deck in a 2 run game, but he can’t leave Niese in to get a .170 hitter.
by David G on Jun 4, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You're never going to let that go, are you?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Dont Trade Reyes shirts are real and from a met-centric blog
the7line.com started the dontradereyes day on their facebook and twitter accounts and from the photos i’ve seen had a good crowd rocking their gear in support of jose. to bad jose shit the bed on a ground ball.
but still DONT TRADE REYES bUY YOUR SHIRT…HEREthe 7 line-DTR
I hate Philadelphia so much.
LEMME TELL U Y I MAD
THIS TEAM MAN I TELL YOU.
Actually I didn’t even watch the game, I was at work until just a little while ago. Still mad.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jun 3, 2011 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
pretty much the sentiment i uttered after this loss
and tossed up on my face book. this team i swear to god
I hate Philadelphia so much.
The Mets should just get rid of the 15-Day DL
And use the 60-Day DL. Whenever a Met goes on the 15 Day DL you know he’s not coming off until 3 weeks afterwards.
Reyes made an error!
TRAID THE COUER! But seriously, this whole blowing leads thing is so 2008.
We already traded the Coeur
for Joaquin Arias.
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
by Steve Schreiber on Jun 4, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Why did the Mets act like Wright was going to get tests
when all they did was look at the old tests and change their minds? Only the Mets and whoever their medical staff is do this shite. What was the harm of giving him another MRI? Can’t afford it? Basically, there’s not much reason to watch this team except for at bats by Jose and Carlos.
The ESPN scroll just said the Mets had leads into the 7th or 6th inning in their last 6 home losses. That is a new MLB record by the way. We are making some history boys!
he did get a test
they had him do range of motion stuff, and didn’t like what they saw.
as per today’s paper =
"It was a physical kind of examination where they did some things to try to, I guess, trigger it and see how different stretches and different activities would affect it," Wright said. "Based on that, they said that although I did feel — asymptomatic is the word the doctor used — they said it needs more time. I don’t understand everything that goes into repairing a fracture. Apparently it needs a little more time and three weeks is the time they gave me."
One day, this team is going to kill me.
Right but the doctors said the diagnosis was made off the original X-Ray
And that they had told Wright it would be six months. Wright and Sandy said they were being “hopeful” when they said 3 weeks themselves. So they went and did tests, and found out that the doctors were right.
Surprise! They know more about health and wellness than Sandy Alderson.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Well I meant weeks but
knowing the Mets my typo will end up being more accurate.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Could it be that Alderson/Wright did mention the 6 weeks part but the media ignored it and zeroed in on the 3 weeks since they seemed to be stressing it?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Reyes' error.....
can someone look at the replay and tell me if you see what I see ?.
during the game, they said the ball “stayed down” and went under Jose’s glove……watching the replay this morning, it looks like Jose overran the ball….meaning the glove was past where it should have been to grab the ball ?.
Am I seeing things ?.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
watched it again
Besides being painful to see again, looked more bucknerish that him having too much range
I hate Philadelphia so much.
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