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How Stuff Works: 2011 Jose Reyes

A few weeks ago, I wrote a plea for the Mets to resign Reyes. My premise was based not on any numbers, but on the emotional connection I felt towards the player (suck it, Jonah Lehrer). But, you know, it's a few weeks later and HOLY DICKEY ARE THOSE NUMBERS STILL RIDICULOUS! So I guess you can title this follow-up piece, "Why I Want the Mets to Resign Jose Reyes (because he has turned into Ty Cobb - the violent temper and possible game-fixing + THE CLAW)"

Through 80 games of the 2011 season, Jose Reyes has amassed 5.1 fWAR (all WAR stats from here on out will be fWAR). That leads all National League players and is a mere .2 less than Jose Bautista, who is having a Bondsian season for the Blue Jays. If advanced stats aren't your cup of tea, he is also on pace to break a ridiculous hodge podge of team records. As that baseball-reference post points out, Reyes is basically having one of the greatest deadball era seasons of all time. But as we approach the halfway point of the season, the question is, can he keep it up?

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The B-Ref blog also points out that Reyes does not have much of a split between first and second half performance. Of course, he has never had a first half quite like this. Reyes' BABIP is nearly sixty points above his career average, and he has done that while actually hitting slightly fewer line drives than normal. However, he has made the most of them, putting up a 2.127 OPS on line drives. Now, line drives are obviously the most successful of batted balls, but Reyes has still been about 50 percent better (sOPS+)  than the average hitter on line drives this year. This confirms what I would anecdotally argue I have seen, that Reyes' line drives have been particularly line drivey this year, so to speak. I wish I had access to Inside Edge data to confirm this, as they track and grade all batted balls in a more granular way. Reyes has also been more successful than the rest of the league on groundballs. Now you would expect him to do better on grounders, due to his speed, but he is still well out-performing even his own career averages on grounders, and doing it without appreciably more infield hits. So that success looks more luck driven than leg driven.

This is all to say that it is unlikely he maintains his BABIP over the rest of the season. Now it's certainly not impossible. In fact, one of the most common ways to have a career year is to get a little BABIP luck. Joe Mauer's 2009 MVP season, for example, was fueled by a .373 BABIP. Mike Piazza had a three year run with a BABIP over .350 (his career average was .314). And even Ted Williams legendary .406 came with a BABIP 50 points higher than his career norm. So while Reyes likely hasn't turned into Ty Cobb, we do know he's capable of looking like Ty Cobb for 80 games. 

There are also a few elements in his batted ball record that suggest this performance is somewhat sustainable, or at least less likely to regress all the way back to his 06-08 numbers. He has a career low HR/FB rate this year of (2.5%). He was at 5.6% last year, and is hitting almost exactly the same amount of flyballs, so he should see a few extra home runs in the 2nd half. He has also become a very good two strike hitter this year, which has translated to a career low K%. Strikeout rates stabilize fairly quickly (at 150 PA), so this is more likely to be an actual change in skillset than, say, his higher batting average on groundballs. This is not to say he will continue to post an OPS 98% better than the rest of the league with two strikes, but less Ks means more balls in play, which means a better chance of sustaining his high batting average. Just slightly less damaging to batting average than strikeouts are infield flies, and Reyes is posting his lowest infield fly rate since 2005. These tend to fluctuate enough that he could certainly post a full season IFFB% around his current rate.

All my discussion around sustaining a high batting average is due to the fact that Reyes isn't walking anymore, so is he is going to be reliant on a high batting average to fuel his other slash stats. But I also expect some more walks as the season goes on, as he is seeing basically the same number of pitchers per plate appearance as from 06-08. At the risk of a bit of armchair psychology, this might just be a case of Reyes thinking, 'why walk when I can hit a line drive into the gap every time up?' You can also expect to see more IBB (he's already on pace for a career high), especially if Terry Collins keeps Justin Turner in the 2 hole.

While I think at least some of Reyes' performance is sustainable, it is foolhardy to project any player for 5 wins over half a season. Hot streaks end and regression is a cruel mistress. One of the reasons Reyes has closed the gap on Jose Bautista is because over the last six weeks Mr. Bats has gone from looking like large forehead Bonds to normal forehead Bonds. So what can we reasonably expect the 2011 Jose Reyes season to look like? Fangraphs uses ZIPS as their projection system for the rest of the season, and it updates daily. Let's take a look at what it says for Reyes: A .306/.353/.470 triple slash, which translates to a .367 wOBA. As a reference, that wOBA is identical to his 2006 wOBA. In the projection, his BABIP regresses to a more reasonable .325. He also hits a few more home runs, strikes out a bit more, walks a bit more. The projection seems reasonable. So Reyes' end of season WAR could look something like this.

38.8 batting + 4 baserunning + 5 defense (UZR/150) + 24 replacement level + 7 positional adjustment = 78.8 RAR or ~8.5 WAR. 

So how would that rate among the best Mets seasons of all time?

Doc Gooden 1985 9.0 WAR
David Wright 2007 8.9 WAR
Doc Gooden 1984 8.6 WAR
John Olerud   1998 8.4 WAR
Tom Seaver   1975 8.0 WAR

 

Seaver's 1971 and 1968 seasons would also probably make this list, but Fangraphs doesn't have pitcher WAR for anything before 1974. The 1971 season is likely #1 all time, as Seaver tossed 286.1 innings with a ridiculous 1.93 FIP. For comparison's sake, Ron Guidry's 1978 season featured an identical FIP- of 59 in about a dozen fewer innings. That was good for 9.2 WAR. Even that would be in play with a little continued BABIP luck or a hot run with the glove in the 2nd half. It looks like, barring injury or (sigh) trade, Jose Reyes' 2011 season will be one of the greatest seasons in Mets history.

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8.5 is a lot of WAR

In the NL that would rank:
2010 – #1
2009 – #2 (Pujols, 8.9)
2008 – #2 (Pujols, 9.1)
2007 – #2 (Wright, 8.9 [traid])
2006 – #2 (Pujols, 8.9 [Beltran #3, 7.9 {traid}])
2005 – #1

by TheBigStapler on Jun 30, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Affordable

Given the Mets payroll structure going forward, there´s no excuse for the Mets – except for legitimate doubts about his abilities going forward (which´d be extremely tough to explain right now).

Unless the bidding turns “absurd” – like 8-years, 200 mio $, i.e. 25 mio $ per year, I very much see no reason why Reyes can´t be fit into the payroll structure of this franchise going forward at about 20 mio $ per year for the next 6 to 8 years.

Again, about 40 to 45 mio are off for sure after 2011 with expering contracts. Even including raises for Reyes (9 mio), K-Rod (3 mio) , Wright, Santana and Bay (maybe 6 mio combined) and arbitration gains for Pagan and Pelfrey, we´re left with a payroll in the 120 mio $ range. Without K-Rod´s option vesting due to trade or him failing to reach it, the overall total is just above 100 mio $ – including 20 mio for Jose Reyes.

And especially after 2013 – when Santana, Bay, Wright, Dickey and Pelfrey all figure to be free agents in all likelihood, there are well over 65 mio $ to possibly re-invest.

I very much believe that in this case, public pressure and fan motivation may mean the Mets will have to re-sign him at pretty much all costs below the “absurd” levels. Even if it takes an 8-year, 168 mio $ deal to keep him, would anyone rather watch him lead off and play SS for the Nationals or Phillies for the next 8 years ?

by Doob on Jun 30, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

WAR and stats are fine but, the salary question is this:

 best case scenario for the mets: 5 years at 93 mil (15 mil deferred), 6 years at 114 mil, 7 years at 133 mil, the mets brass maybe amenable to 5 at 93 with deferred money, but otherwise we’ll wait and see.

by 1969met on Jul 1, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Only" 8.5 WAR?

Damn, since he’s at 5 now, I was hoping maybe he’d be able to keep it up, and possibly break 10. That’s my stance.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 30, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds logical.

5 WAR halfway through the season = 10 WAR, no?

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 1, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

No reason for the sarcasm font.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 5, 2011 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously what he meant was that Reyes hasn't even gotten started yet

5 WAR in half season was Reyes playing casually. He’s gonna get 8 WAR in the second half.

by Evan_S on Jul 5, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 5, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely what I was saying.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 5, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

High BABIP is not necessarily unsustainable

You alluded to this above. I’d just add that really good hitters tend to have higher BABIPs than good pitchers have low BABIP. This isn’t exactly the most rigorous way to do an analysis, but the other day I looked through about a dozen Hall-of-Fame hitters and the same amount of Hall-of-Fame pitchers. Almost all of the hitters had BABIPs that were well above the .290 mark, while all the pitchers were within a few points plus or minus. The numbers were even more extreme for hitters from a few generations ago.

by dcmetsfan on Jun 30, 2011 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Right

Assuming Reyes stays healthy, the error bars on his WAR are probably a half win+ either way, based on UZR and BABIP fluctuations.

It’s certainly possible he could maintain his BABIP for the whole year, but during his 3 best years his BABIP was around the same mark. It’s certainly more likely than not to come back down. Even if it does, we’re looking at an 8 WAR season, which is a strong MVP caliber year.

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jun 30, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly

TRAYD

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Jun 30, 2011 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Jose TRAYDes

I believe in Dillon Gee!
Logic Your Sense Makes None.

by JoeBighead on Jul 1, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

TRAIdvid Wrongz

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 1, 2011 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

finally, I agree

with you on something (has it been that long?)

by 1969met on Jul 5, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly

I don’t think 1969met is.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jul 5, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

His sarcasm was obviously too

biting and cutting edge.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jul 5, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Really?

The 2011 New York Mets: Limit the Damage

by CTRefJay on Jul 5, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geeze, Sitebot Facepalm of the Week contention two weeks in a row, now

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 5, 2011 7:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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