Tigers 5, Mets 2: Pelfrey Can't Escape Detroit Rock City
How do you solve a problem like the strike zone?
Anyone with a guess should let Mike Pelfrey know post haste. The Mets' 2011 Opening Day starter struggled with his command before surrendering five runs (four earned) in a 5-2 loss to the Detroit Tigers at Comerica Park on Thursday afternoon. The loss ends a four-game winning streak for the Amazin's and forces Mets fans to describe the team's recent scoring binge in the past tense.
Despite hurling 109 pitches, Pelfrey (4-7) only completed 4 2/3 innings with eight hits, four earned runs, and three strikeouts to show for his efforts. He elicited only three swinging strikes and frequently looked wholly incapable of throwing an out pitch in any capacity, which was highlighted by his inability to induce ground balls early on or even to throw strikes low in the zone.
Those troubles were enough for Justin Verlander, who allowed one run, seven hits, and two walks over seven innings while striking out six in what will not be described as the Detroit ace's best outing of the year. Verlander, who collected his league-leading 11th win of the season, could not quite settle down all afternoon but only paid with a solo home run to Daniel Murphy in the top of the second inning.
Detroit's offense finally came alive to provide run support for Verlander just as Pelfrey's luck began to ran out. Austin Jackson and Ramon Santiago contributed RBI singles in the second and third innings respectively while Alex Avila contributed an RBI sac fly in the bottom of the third as well. Fellow Wichita State alum Andy Dirks took Pelfrey deep to right field in the bottom of the fifth for his sixth home run of the season, which followed with Pelfrey's exit two batters later.
While only Jason Pridie failed to reach base for the Mets, none of the Mets position players outside of Murphy and Carlos Beltran -- who hit his 11th home run of the season in the top of the eighth inning -- managed to build upon their success at the plate. Jose Reyes collected two hits for his 42nd multi-hit game of the season (in 81 games), but was caught on the basepaths twice after being doubled up on a Pridie line out in the first inning and being caught stealing second base in the top of the third. Jason Bay also collected two singles for the away team, but was twice left on base.
Some may point to Terry Collins's decision to start Josh Thole as Pelfrey's battery mate in place of Ronny Paulino, who sat for the day game following a night game with a twinged back. Thole hasn't caught for Pelfrey since April 29, but Pelfrey's troubles were largely his own in his lack of an out pitch and a conservative strike zone that Pelfrey simply could not stretch any wider.
Francisco Rodriguez finished his 30th game of the season after coming in to relieve an injured Manny Acosta. Tim Byrdak and D.J. Carrasco also contributed to the bullpen's 3 1/3 innings of scoreless baseball, with no hits surrendered after Byrdak allowed a Brennan Boesch single in the bottom of the sixth.
The Mets now make a Subway Series pit stop as they welcome the New York Yankees for a three-game series at Citi Field commencing Friday night at 7:10pm. Jon Niese will toe the rubber for the Mets against Ivan Nova of the Yankees.
SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* Bless You Boys Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: Jose Reyes, +9.1% WPA
Big losers: Mike Pelfrey, -28.5% WPA, Jason Pridie, -18.2% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Daniel Murphy solo home run in the second, +10.4% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Ramon Santiago two-run single/Angel Pagan error in the third, -17.3% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: -25.6% WPA
Total batter WPA: -24.4% WPA
GWRBI!: Ramon Santiago
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by TKFJ; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
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| 1 | TKFJ | 116 |
| 2 | MetsFan4Decades | 92 |
| 3 | Xfactor26 | 85 |
| 4 | Syler | 66 |
| 5 | tmu | 65 |
| 6 | Russ | 61 |
| 7 | santana9237 | 56 |
| 8 | freakystyley | 55 |
| 9 | astromets | 55 |
| 10 | mistermet | 54 |
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Not like we didn't have chances,
- Duda out at home
- Reyes caught stealing
- stranding a pair in at least 2 innings
But this loss is square on Pelfrey.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jun 30, 2011 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
Pelfrey does not have a clue how to attack a lineup and is what he is.
A .500 pitcher without a go to strikeout pitch.
by Putnan Prince on Jun 30, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
watching steve trachsel tape?
I believe in one Dickey, Maker of knuckles and balls
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Jun 30, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
does he have 7 hours to spare per game?
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by KeithsMoustache on Jun 30, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Loss.
Sad.
Irrational Mets fan known for memorable ranting and raving, when things inevitably go wrong.
Pelfrey needs to just go the hell away
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
4-2 on the road trip
both losses by Pelfrey. outing Texas was just “poor” but this one in Detroit was atrocious. he has gone away from the only thing that brought him success in the majors (that hard sinker) and now just looks like a bad 6th man in a rotation. looking forward to seeing him non-tendered this offseason.
I've always been a supporter and defender of Pelfrey
Always though one day he’ll finally live up to his expectations and be a dominant pitcher. I just can’t say that anymore. He doesn’t throw strikes, can’t put hitters away, and when the team needs him he’s never there: i.e. today, he had to know there was little room for error with his pitching, as the offense was facing verlander. What does he do? Comes out walking everyone, giving up runs and putting the mets in a position to lose. I was really hoping pelfrey would get his act together and put up a win for the mets so they could keep their momentum going into the yankees series, but I guess not. Today, I am no longer a fan of mike pelfrey
No surprise that Pelfrey lost both of his road starts
He is just brutal on the road. He just doesn’t have the weapons to beat big time offenses like the Tigers and Rangers. I sure hope he’ll be traded by the deadline, He is what he is and that is a mediocre #4 starter. While I really liked Terry hitting Paulino clean up vs yesterday, hitting Pridie second vs a elite pitcher was just idiotic. Pridie is a K machine that is proving to not be a major leaguer. The Mets had a good approach vs Verlander , but only could get a run partly due to bad base running. . The Mets have a rough next few weeks heading into the all- star break, so, hopefully they start it off by well by beating the Yankees at home.
Pelfrey's trade value is negative right now
the best case scenario for the Mets is that he pitches decently in the second half and then he is either flipped for SOMETHING of use in the offseason. Barring that, I think he’s non-tendered; either way, I think this is the last half season we’ll see of Mike Pelfrey in a Mets uniform.
Hes not negative value
Hes still positive WAR for the first half, and is on pace to pitch close to 200 innings again. Pitchers that can pitch 200 innings of even just average ball aren’t that abundant in the majors.
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by Blame-everyone-else on Jun 30, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, Pelfrey is brutal on the road
and unfortunately, his next two starts are scheduled on the road as well. The Mets should really take a good look at the upcoming schedule during the All Stars break and make sure to optimize Pelfrey’s spot in the rotation in order to have him pitch at home as much as possible.
Pridie should NOT be hitting #2. are you kidding? he’s the worst hitter in the lineup. why does Collins use the spot after Reyes like a who’s who? it’s the most important spot in the lineup with Reyes always on base. and against Verlander? 3 automatic strikeouts.
Shoot the puck Barry!!!
And meanwhile Pagan is hitting in the lower half of the lineup.
Stupid.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
I remember hearing Pagan say that
he prefers hitting more in the middle of the lineup. I know I really like the potential of him hitting 2nd behind Reyes and that lineup slots shouldn’t be a big deal really but at the same time, if hitting him second is going to make him struggle because he’s changing his approach, I’d rather have him hit 6th or whatever. He’s been raking down there.
I think Murphy or Turner are good batting 2nd. Not sure what Terry was doing with Pridie batting 2nd.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 30, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he was excellent there.
.312/.350/.472 from the #2 slot last year.
But I guess if that’s what he wants, you have to make the player comfortable.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 30, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's more Terry than Pagan
Terry feels like he needs Pagan to protect Beltran or something. He has said when everyone is healthy Pagan will hit second again. Pagan did start the season hitting in the two hole.
by graves9 on Jun 30, 2011 11:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A definite "meh" end to a freaking miraculous and thoroughly entertaining week.
today was “regression to the mean” day…agreed not helped by TC’s baffling placement of Pridie at 2nd.
By the way, Jason, I’m still TOTALLY up for that threesome.
The randomizer's gonna have a hell of a time deciding the winner of the AA Prediction Contest for this series.
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I'm happy with a 4-2 road trip.
Not so happy with Pelfrey.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Frustrating loss, but whatever
Duda on third, no out, can’t score. First and third, one out, don’t score b/c Pridie is inexplicably batting second.
But the team had a great approach against Verlander and it was a great road trip.
Pelfrey: +/- 1.5 WAR to end the season
Next season, +/- 3.0 WAR.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 30, 2011 5:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's the one thing that he is good at
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
And he has an overpowering balk.
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Really good kid.A very good player.Not a superstar. #BlameWilponz. Never Forget
by ScottfromPeekskill on Jul 1, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He wins at failing!
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"We don’t listen to the hype. I don’t think we ever have. We really take after our coach and he says ‘When you win, say little. When you lose, say less.'"--Tom Brady
The 2011 New York Mets: I don't know what to describe them as...
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Why is BB-Rod finishing a game like this?
The only non-save situation this guy should ever see is a tie ballgame on the road. If money is at all an issue for this team we shouldn’t be giving a vest away to this shell of the former K-Rod. Let him earn the damn thing.
Totally random thought
but if the full recap “Lose” picture could be a photo of Jerry I think we’d be ending June on a particularly high note.
I for one welcome our new hedge fund overlord.
Good roadtrip
Shitty Pelfrey
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One day, this team is going to kill me.
by fxcarden on Jun 30, 2011 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Someone could write a doctoral thesis on this
The 500-pounder who’s clearly wearing jeans with an elastic waist.
The potentially developmentally disabled gentleman awkwardly fist-pumping on the left.
The creepy guy eating popcorn on the right.
by Bieser's Balk on Jun 30, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I got a simpler answer
Douchebags
95% of Skankee fans are frat guy or wannabe frat guy douchebags
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by BlueChill on Jun 30, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
to steal a line i saw on this very site
Not all yankees fans are criminals. But all criminals are yankees fans
I hate Philadelphia so much.
by the caveman on Jul 1, 2011 8:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why is CC Sabathia behind the guy throwing pepperoni?
He was probably disappointed he didn’t get some
Lets not be too hard on Pelfrey
He is definately not an ace, but if Pridie had correctly played that ball in the fourth that went for a double, this would have been a 2-2 game
5 BB, 4.2 innings
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
That's all you need to know.
And he had those 5 bb’s through the first 2+ innings. Throwing that many pitches out of the strike zone in such a short span is the definition of bad process. The bad result (Pridie misplaying the ball) is just a little poetic justice.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 30, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Pridie did not have a good game
did he?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
99 pitches, 3 swinging strikes.
No one bit at the splitter (16 pitches – 5 called strikes), the curve (5 – 3), or the slider (15 -8).
This is his day in a nutshell:

"You're Darryl Strawberry!" "Yes?" "You play right field!" "Yes?" "Well, are you better than me?" "I've never met you.... but.... yes."
that chart looks like someone shot it with a 12 gauge
One day, this team is going to kill me.
by fxcarden on Jun 30, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Looks like we traded laughs
in for charts and graphs.
Sigh, I miss Granddaddy.
/threadjack.
by keepcoolbutcare on Jun 30, 2011 8:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess I cant argue with the chart
It looks like he really had poor command.
Whatever
Pelfrey vs. Verlander is pretty much a guarenteed loss for the Mets and this was a pretty great road trip otherwise.
Real question
As far as i can tell Pelf actually is pitching right with his career averages up to this pint, with actually having a better k/bb ratio. The only difference is an absurd jump in the amount of fly balls allowed. My question is what can cause a pitcher to suddenly forget how to keep the ball down? Is this something that should normalize itself?
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by Blame-everyone-else on Jun 30, 2011 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
he isn't throwing his sinker anymore
in favor of his breaking pitches. it’s pretty much all 4-seam fastballs for him so far this year (can this be checked?) and his velocity is down to boot.
he's throwing what Fangraphs classifies as his slider a bit more frequently (15% instead of 9%) than last year, but everything else is pretty much in line
i’d imagine the problem is the type of fastball, or maybe the break he’s getting on it, but I’m not great at pitch analysis (it’s tricky since they misclassify pitches on a regular basis, making pitchFX data a bit hit or miss with some pitchers)
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 30, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
why he got a tounge extension
i will never know
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why thats a surgery that exists escapes my comprehension
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 30, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps
to better taste food? Im already salivating over more bacon. Maybe i should look into this surgery.
A deadline has a wonderful way of concentrating the mind.-Professor James Moriarty
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.- Former Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan
by Blame-everyone-else on Jun 30, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Possibly
He’s tipping his pitches. The mouthpiece didn’t help and when the league catches on they switch his secondary pitch up from curveball to slider to split to cutter to …?
:P = fastball
: / = off speed
by JavaJoe on Jun 30, 2011 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Nothing wrong with losing
But hitting Pridie 2nd was ridiculously stupid and cost us against a pitcher where you cannot miss your chances.
Pagan
2 hole. Please Terry? Pretty please? Wasn’t it the middle game of the series that they both got on base in all of their at bats?
Reyes, Pagan, Voltron, Murph (vs righties) – Bay or Paulino (vs lefties)…and then, well, whoever is “hot” and playing 5-8. Though 8 should always be Tejada if he’s in the line-up.
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