Mets Player Performance Meter, Week 9

by Chris McShane on Jun 9, 2011 1:00 PM EDT

Lately, the Mets have had theirs ups and downs, winning two of three from the Braves after dropping the series opener and winning a great game to start the series in Milwaukee before losing again last night. The starters have been very good, the lineup is scoring a good amount of runs, and the bullpen has been atrocious.

Both of the Mets' losses since Friday came after they had a lead in the eighth inning. After their struggles in the series against the Phillies a couple weekends back, I thought it was just one of those times that everyone had a rough game at once, but now the bullpen is a definite area of concern. Despite their failures, the Mets are still just three games under .500 at 29-32.

The stats below are from June 3 through June 8.

Player	Last Week	This Week	Comment
Manny Acosta			The Acostalypse has returned in Acostalyptic fashion: two runs in 0.1 IP.
Jason Bay, LF			One red arrow does not even begin to describe the misery that is Bay at the plate right now. Getting hit by a pitch constituted 1/3 of his positive impact at the plate.
Pedro Beato, RP			He's not fooling anyone since returning from the DL. Zero strikeouts this week in 2.2 IP, and his 10.12 ERA was no fluke.
Carlos Beltran, RF			He didn't do much with the bat (.489 OPS), but at least when he did it came at the right time.
Taylor Buchholz, RP			Still on the DL, and he's definitely missed. Buchholz was one of the most effective relievers on the team prior to his injury.
Tim Byrdak, RP			In this bullpen, allowing a walk and no runs in 0.2 IP is something of an achivement.
Chris Capuano, SP			Another excellent outing in his return to Milwaukee as Cappy allowed a lone run in six innings of work.
Ike Davis, 1B			Don't expect much to change hear until his three week sentence in the boot is up.
R.A. Dickey, SP			Still pitching through his foot injury, Dickey made it look easy, allowing only one run in eight innings of work on Sunday night against the Braves.
Nick Evans, 1B			Not that he had many opportunities, but Evans still does not have a hit since getting called up from Buffalo.
Dillon Gee, SP			With seven scoreless innings against the Braves, Gee outshined Jair Jurrjens.
Scott Hairston, OF			He literally did nothing this week. Zero plate appearances.
Willie Harris, OF			Six more trips to the plate without a whole lot to show for it. One hit, one walk, and one run scored.
Jason Isringhausen, RP			He's looking very hittable lately, which is probably the result of regression more than being overworked.
Daniel Murphy, 1B			If you're going to be a singles machine, .375/.444/.375 isn't a bad way to do it.
Jonathon Niese, SP			7.2 strong innings against the Braves, and he continues to strike out opponents at a good clip.
Angel Pagan, CF			He wasn't as good as he was immediately upon his return, but he wasn't Jason Bay, either.
Bobby Parnell, RP			One inning, one strikeout, one hit. Hey, not bad.
Ronny Paulino			1.222 OPS on the week after hitting lefties and hitting a ridiculously long home run off a righty reliever.
Mike Pelfrey, SP			Six good innings against the Brew Crew, but as usual, he wasn't exactly dominating with his two strikeouts.
Jason Pridie, CF			He went 2-for-6 and had the big hit against Jurrjens on Saturday night to put the Mets on the board.
Jose Reyes, SS			It just doesn't get much more exciting than this. 3 triples, 2 doubles, 4 singles, 2 walks, 1-for-1 in stolen base attempts, and a .429/.478/.810 slash line.
Francisco Rodriguez, RP			The strikeouts are there, but he's getting hit hard. Really hard.
Ruben Tejada, 2B			One of Tejada's better weeks at the plate while playing well in the field at second: .333/.444/.467.
Dale Thayer			His only appearance came in the ninth inning last night, and it did not go well. He looked overmatched against Milwaukee.
Josh Thole, C			For the second straight week, Thole's getting back to being 2010 Thole.
Justin Turner, 2B			A very light-hitting week for Turner.
David Wright, 3B			He'll be on the shelf at least a few more weeks.

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jose needs something more than a green arrow

maybe just the letters MVP

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by astromets on Jun 9, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions

That's exactly what I was going to say.

He should at least have a super arrow.

by Kepler on Jun 9, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Done and done.

Hope you like it.

by Chris McShane on Jun 9, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs

WIN

now this post needs something more than a rec, like a super-rec

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by astromets on Jun 9, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Teh Awesomez!

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by CTRefJay on Jun 9, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions

He's on fire!

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 9, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Jose Reyes

En fuego!

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by meigs1414 on Jun 9, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Needs more lightning bolts

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jun 9, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Now he will end up in a slump but great job

by Sir Tmac on Jun 9, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Hadouken!

"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."

by Joamiq on Jun 10, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions

also

with the production we been getting from catcher, 2B and CF – the only unproductive spot in our lineup is jason bay

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by astromets on Jun 9, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions

It's getting really tough to watch Bay

How much more time do we give him?

by tmu on Jun 9, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Personally

About negative one week. But it seems like they are going to stick it out for a bit longer.

by Balagast on Jun 9, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

remember ibanez....remember ibanez...remember ibanez

Let’s pray that bay has a break out like he did.

by Mike Clemente on Jun 9, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions

It's way beyond a slump at this point.

Look at the way he actually looks in the box. The guy’s facing a firing squad every time out there. He should be on suicide watch.

There’s a moment where booing’s just counter-productive (this moment is also called, any time Mike Pelfrey is on the mound). Some guysn have eggshell psyches — it’s just the way it is.

by Kepler on Jun 9, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

So now Bay has an "eggshell psyche" too?

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 9, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

wonder why red sox fans never noticed

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by astromets on Jun 9, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Because he hit 45 homers and drove in 150 runs

in 8 months with them?

by Kepler on Jun 9, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

just saying

its just as tough a crowd, if not tougher, in Boston. and he went through at least through one slump in the middle of 2009 when he was getting booed and he finished that year real strong

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by astromets on Jun 9, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions

or as Johnette Howard put it yesterday

It’s hard to accuse Bay of turning into a head case now that he’s in the crucible of New York because he supposedly answered the Can-He-Take-The-Heat? question in Boston, where he was not only playing for far higher stakes but had to replace possible future Hall of Famer Manny Ramirez

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by astromets on Jun 9, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions

The dime store psychology is pretty asinine at this point.

He’s not struggling because of his “psyche”. He’s struggling because he obviously doesn’t have the bat speed he had even two years ago and he knows it. He can’t catch up to fastballs down the heart of the plate and because of that, it’s causing him to expand his zone. Unfortunately, he was never really a great “plate discipline” guy (sure he walked a good amount but that was when he had the threat of power…he always has struck out a ton).

He’s not a headcase. I’ll wager that he’s old and likely is in a decline perpetuated by his already mediocre plate discipline.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 9, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Some people can't play in New York™

by Evan_S on Jun 9, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Bay's drop may be too great to be attributed to a decline in bat speed

It may simply be altered mechanics, and that he needs to reestablish what worked for him in the past.

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by Russ on Jun 10, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions

I'm just saying

he’s having A Sad.

This isn’t a reason to keep playing him, though. But I don’t exactly see us trading him either.

by Kepler on Jun 9, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

ibanez was what? 0-35?

Bay isn’t that bad yet. And Raul is much much older. So, if he could bounce back, I can hope that Bay can.

by Mike Clemente on Jun 9, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Doesn't Ibanez always start slow?

And take steroids?

by tmu on Jun 9, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

The same Ibanez that has a worse WAR than Bay still this year?

by Balagast on Jun 9, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

umm look at their hitting numbers.

Ibanez has a negative WAR due almost solely on his beyond sustainable bad defense. -11 uzr at this pt is impossibly bad.

by Mike Clemente on Jun 9, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Raul is slugging near .150 points higher right now

they are not a good comparison anyway, totally different body types. I have been saying since at least last season that with Bay’s body type, a quicker decline after the prime years is not unexpected. Before steroids, most players peak at 27-28, slowly declined until 32-33, and then start falling off quicker after that. Bay peaked in 05-06 at age 27-28, since then he has had WAR total’s of -0.7, 3.1, 5.0, 1.5 and -0.2 so far. ’09 looking like the last he had left in his tank.

Ibanez was never as good as Bay, but since he turned 30 in 2002 he has been pretty consistently a 2-3 WAR player, so he is an outlier from the way players age – probably because he appears in much better shape than Bay. Ibanez future is just as uncertain as Bay’s, because he is 39, but a return to + WAR seems more likely in his future than Bay’s. As for his defense, when ever I have seen Ibanez this year, it has been that bad and makes me laugh

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by astromets on Jun 9, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Explain your "body type" hypothesis please

by Mike Clemente on Jun 9, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions

hes not in amazing shape

therefore, like the rest of the non-super athletes, he will begin to show signs of aging by age 30. as for the ages I quote, I remember them from an article I read awhile back. I shall look for it

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by astromets on Jun 9, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions

further

if you had to describe Bay’s body-type by a certain generation of ballplayers, you would certainly say he looked more like a player from the 50’s-60’s than a player of modern times, who are often ripped, flexible and in much better shape. this article, which might have been the first one I read, compares the two generations peak curves. And other articles I googled had the same results.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/how-do-baseball-players-age-part-1/

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by astromets on Jun 9, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions

You look at dude's bodies?

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 9, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

Bay had a lowly .326 wOBA in 2007 (-0.7 WAR)

after his best years 2005 and 2006. He then came back to be great in 2008 and 2009. This gives me some hope that he can do something again.

For now, Bay is a long term plan and I’m okay with keeping him in the lineup. Let’s all just… hope?

by TheBigStapler on Jun 9, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Do you know what was up with Bay in 2007?

Was he hurt? Or just struggling?

by Balagast on Jun 9, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions

He was hurt, i believe

by Evan_S on Jun 9, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Hmmm, just looking at the stat line

He played in 145 games and got 614 plate appearances. Was he playing hurt the entire time?

by TheBigStapler on Jun 9, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions

And furthermore, maybe he's hurt now?

I sure hope so because that would at least be some kind of material explanation.

by TheBigStapler on Jun 9, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions

FWIW, Wikipedia says he "battling injuries" and that seems to jibe with my memory.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jun 9, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions

I think so

Kinda like Beltran in 05. Playing a lot, but clearly not 100%

by Evan_S on Jun 9, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions

the only reason I am not ok with him in it now

is because I don’t want to give up on 2011 yet, and we can’t keep wasting at bats on a loser LF. Give us 1-2 months with Duda or someone better out in LF and if we still fall farther out of contention than have Bay start everyday again. I feel like a real LF or the real Jason Bay would give us the offensive boost needed to win some of these games our LOLpen blows

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by astromets on Jun 9, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

The Mets are not gonna sit Bay

That’s like trading him away and eating all of his salary. He needs the reps to recover his value. Hey if he gets hot from now until the trade deadline you never know who is desperate. Mets top priority is moving Frankie and Bay without eating any salary

by TheKid08 on Jun 9, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions

I mean, I know they aren't

but I feel they are booting the season by not at least giving someone else a shot

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by astromets on Jun 9, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Gotta build his value back up

No doubt that if he gets traded he will return to old form. He needs to go to a team like the Yanks. Smaller park, and they won’t lean on him to be “The Guy”. Or trade another bad contract. If Carlos Silva was still a Cub II bet you they would’ve made a swap.

by TheKid08 on Jun 9, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe Figgens

He’s wearing out his welcome in Seattle. Don’t know if he’s got 1 or 2 more yrs left on his contract and what the money is if we come out ahead if we were to make a deal.

by TheKid08 on Jun 9, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions

i don't think the solution

is an overpriced version of Willie Harris

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by astromets on Jun 9, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Figgins?

Hell fucking no

What's that about?

by Brian. on Jun 10, 2011 3:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

It would take a miracle to build his value up to any tradeable level.

Unless the Mets pay every cent of his contract, there’s no chance he gets traded. Even Vernon Wells put up a solid year last year. Bay would have to put up a vintage Jason Bay season and I just don’t see that coming with how terrible he looks at the dish.

And no thanks on Figgins. He’s more useless than Bay and a malcontent to boot (he fought with their manager Wakamatsu last year in the dugout).

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 9, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions

It would be a salary dump

Your taking on Figgins at 1 more yr at less money as opposed to 2 more yr with bay at more money. If Bay is traded and no money is eating your not gonna get back anything in return but another shit contract with less years and less money.

by TheKid08 on Jun 9, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions

I mean Figgins at 1 less year than Bay

by TheKid08 on Jun 9, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions

if we improve our LOLpen and LF

we are a contender. our SP is still a little suspect to me, but they have all shown the past couple of weeks how capable they are of carrying this team; and we have been in almost every game the past few weeks until the LOLpen implodes. add a little offense and remove some LOL and we are one hot team.

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by astromets on Jun 9, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Jose Reyes needs more than the standard green arrow

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Jun 9, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions

A gold arrow

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by Aidan Gibson on Jun 9, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Diamond Arrow

by Evan_S on Jun 9, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

platinum arrow

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by astromets on Jun 9, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions

.

by Kepler on Jun 9, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs

He thinks

He’s gonna get a platinum arrow. He’s had everything wrong with him. He won’t get it

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by Aidan Gibson on Jun 9, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Willie Harris sucks

But a .333 OBP in 6 PA should at least net the guy blue arrows

by Evan_S on Jun 9, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions

Bay needs a picture of a toilet I am sure he has hit that low

by Sir Tmac on Jun 9, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions

This picture should be next to Bay's line:

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by Michkin on Jun 9, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Nooo!!

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 9, 2011 2:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

what are they?

by Mike Clemente on Jun 9, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions

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by Michkin on Jun 9, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Do women like it when you scream in their face like that?

I’ll try it out when I get a chance, see how far it gets me.

by Evan_S on Jun 9, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions

trade Francisco Rodriguez and cut Jason Bay now

oh wait

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by feslenraster on Jun 9, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions

Can Bay be sent to buffalo to work out of this never ending slump?

Would he be willing to go or pull an ollie and refuse. Duda is doing good enough to be promoted.

by bob c on Jun 9, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions

BENCHING BAY

Bench him. And if he doesn’t like it, tell him he’s free to walk away from the remainder of his contract. Davey Johnson or Bobby V. would have had no problem doing that. An insult, a slap in the face? You’re damn right. Maybe that would wake him up. Johnson wrote in his book that he would never let salary and/or length of contract dictate his lineup. Collins needs to get his famous temper up & tell Bay he will play the player who gives the TEAM the best chance to win in LF. I don’t believe there would be a bit of fan backlash, either.

by MDMETSFAN on Jun 9, 2011 4:27 PM EDT reply actions

Benching Bay

We need more production from leftfield and Duda is tearing up triple a so I’d like to see Duda called up and given some starts. Giving Bay an extended break may help him re-focus but I don’t think the tough-love slap in face approach is going to get Bay to start producing. That predisposes that Bay is consciencely doing something wrong that he knows how to fix. Something is obviously wrong- either physically, mentally or in his mechanics, so I think it is about finding out what the problem and hoping it can be fixed.

by MatthewM11 on Jun 9, 2011 6:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Well it looks like they did bench Bay tonight at least

Pridie is starting in LF

by Balagast on Jun 9, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions

Are you guys throwing Gee against the Bucs again this week?

I see a lot of your players are performing better than they were last week, and we’re currently on our fourth and fifth catchers. Could be bad for us ’Burghers :(

Thank you Ned Colletti.

by ryebr3ad on Jun 9, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions