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New York Mets Batters: Mid-Season Grades

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To be perfectly precise, we are .5617284 of the way through the season, but the All-Star break has always been the half-way marker if only because we get three days to navel-gaze without new information. So we'll forget about the rest of those decimals and evaluate the first 'half.' Time to grade the hitters!

Jose Reyes: A+

Could there be any doubt? Sure, his BABIP (.375) is sky-high, but his xBABIP ain't so shabby either (.321). Reyes has re-found his better walk rate (not his best), but he is showing the lowest strikeout rate of his career (6.8%). In fact, that strikeout rate is the third-best rate in the league. He does that by whiffing on less than half the pitches of the average player. Neither his power nor his speed are at career-highs, but they are both right there. Even without the home runs his current ISO would be the third-best number of his career. Yeah, throw that plus on the end of the grade.

Ike Davis: A

This could be an incomplete, but Davis really impressed in his first 149 PAs. But cutting his whiff and strikeout rates and benefiting from a little BABIP love (.344), he upped his batting average nearly 40 points. Perhaps a natural growth in his power is the only reason that his lumber played bigger, as his ground ball per fly ball ratio is about the same. Reaching less and whiffing more is a good enough reason to give him this grade, even if the power statistics from this year are not yet reliable and the batting average is a little propped up.

Carlos Beltran: A

His excellent plate discipline never went anywhere, but the injury did sap his power. Now the Mets' All-Star has dialed back the clock to 2008, the last time he had a .200+ ISO. The highest fly ball rate he's had since 2006 is helping, of course. Set against a backdrop of failing offense around the league, Beltran without his speed looks much like Beltran with his speed. His 146 wRC+ is the third-best number of his career. Voltron: The Next Dimension?

Star-divide

Daniel Murphy: B+

The plus is for being useful. The plus is for filling in when the team needed him most. The plus is for cutting his strikeout rate. The B? That's for hitting too many ground balls (50.4%) and losing the power. His .125 ISO is below league average for the first time in his career. A .305/.346/.430 line would be awesome at second base or third base, but it's not clear his glove will allow him to play there. Outfield didn't work so well either. Well, the team is glad to have their Irish Hammer either way.

David Wright: B

David Wright is still hitting 19% above league average, and if you focus on the positives, the grade makes more sense. Sure he has a bad batting average and his strikeout rate looks about the same. But that .276 BABIP will change as soon as he can put some balls in play, and Wright also has cut his swinging strike rate back from his career-high last year (9.1% this year, 10.4% last year, 7.7% career). He's done this by reaching less and making better contact on balls outside the zone. His power isn't quite back to career levels, but he's known as a fairly streaky player and a good week could change everything in that department. There are some good signs in his numbers.

Angel Pagan: B-

He's hitting at exactly league average right now, but Pagan gets a boost for expected performance. As his BABIP (.263) rises to his xBABIP (.321), much of the painful drops out of his batting line. Look at the positives. He's striking out a career-best rate (9%) and walking at a career-high rate (10.2%). He's hitting line drives (22%) and making more contact than ever. Of course you'd like to see a little more power, though, hence the minus.

Justin Turner: B-

The major league average second baseman has a.254/.316/.378 line this year. Turner has a .268/.331/.364 line right now. He gets a nod above average just because of the history of the position here in New York maybe. But Turner is also another in a long line of Mets players that has cut his strikeout rate, and he's done so while maintaining his walk rate. He just won't show much more power until he gets the ball off the ground though (48.7% GB).

Jason Bay: C+

Equaling last year's home run total in almost half the PAs gets him a passing grade. Everything else keeps him from advancing. Well, he did cut his swinging strike rate and marginally improve his strikeout rate, so let's give him a plus. But the big question is his power, and there's little positive in the numbers. His career-low ISO is 'supported' by a career-low in fly balls. He's also at a career low in line drives. You could contend that 100% of all home runs are one or the other. We need some loft, Bay-be.

Ronny Paulino: C+

Other than benefiting from a ridiculous BABIP (.379), Paulino isn't doing anything he hasn't done before. He gets a plus for showing the second-best wOBA of his career against right-handers (.318). He still should only play against lefties (.380 career wOBA).

Scott Hairston: C

The Chin is in good graces after his game-winning home run in San Francisco. The fact that he's been able to recreate his career line while being moved to the bench is impressive, as is the second-best ISO of his career. This role-filler has filled his role nicely.

Josh Thole: C

If he can improve his defense, this sort of grade will work just fine while he's under team control. But his defense is not good right now, and his choke-up approach has sapped him of all power. He walks enough and avoids the strikeout enough to have offensive value, especially when compared to other catchers. .258/.350/.325 is still under-powered when you stack it up against the .242/.314/.380 the league's catchers are putting up. He's doing okay.

Lucas Duda: C-

There are, actually, things to like in Duda's line. He's now showing the ability to strike out at an average rate, as he did on the farm, and his 26.3% line drive rate is superb even in a small sample. Once he gets some loft on the ball (36.3% fly balls), his power should look better. It's not even that improbable that he could hit .250/.325/.430 if handed the every-day reigns. He just needs to lift the ball a little more. In San Francisco, he hit the ball out of triples alley in BP, about 430 feet deep. He has real power.

Willie Harris:C-

Hey, you say. Willie's hitting .250 and has a .350 OBP. That's not so bad. Yeah, I say. He has a .361 BABIP and is striking out in 28% of his at-bats. Will you still argue for a better grade when he's hitting .220 with a .310 OBP?

Ruben Tejada: C-

He walks and he's young, but if it was possible to have negative power, Tejada would forge that ground.

Chin-Lung Hu: F

No bat. No glove. No roster spot.

Nick Evans: Incomplete

Fernando Martinez: Incomplete

Poll
Who deserves a better grade?
David Wright
25 votes
Angel Pagan
63 votes
Ruben Tejada
129 votes
Daniel Murphy
200 votes
Josh Thole
28 votes

445 votes | Poll has closed

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If Carlos Beltran is traded tonight,

I’m going to be really annoyed with you.

by SuperT on Jul 13, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it'd be jose

krod was the top ranked pitcher yesterday. But I, too, would be annoyed with Eno

by letsgomets31 on Jul 13, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would take away the minus from Pagan.

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by NetsMets4Life on Jul 13, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I think hes a B.

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by NetsMets4Life on Jul 13, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could go either way.

Considering that our core players have been gone I think hes done his job well.

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by NetsMets4Life on Jul 13, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just being injured should drop him from a B

There should be a certain amount of games played necessary in order to get top grades. I would also downgrade Ike and Wright.

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by Blame-everyone-else on Jul 13, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

like Parnell

he was terrible before the injury and has been good since he came back

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Jul 14, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who does deserve a better grade.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 13, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Nah,

Incomplete is appropriate for the likes of him.

Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.

by meigs1414 on Jul 13, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is lacking a body

not very complete to me

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Jul 13, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, he is not. Hu is Hu, silly.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 13, 2011 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I read this whole post to see Hu got the worst grade

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by jctGamer on Jul 13, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

You're overrating Hu

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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 13, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Complete agreement

Ruben has played well at 2nd and short and has maintained his discipline enough to be a passable hitter at these positions. He is also a 21-yr-old rookie who has shown improved power in the minors and should continue to improve there. A C- is inexcusable. He needs a straight B.

I agree with Wright’s grade on the chance that the K rate (still high) is partly from the injury.

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by GenJackRipper on Jul 13, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ruben is our version of Placido Polanco

which is fine…but straight B is a little too much (as of now). B- MAYBE.

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by feslenraster on Jul 14, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Completely off-topic

but what in the everloving fuck just happened? http://deadspin.com/5820671/

hitting coach Pete LaCock, a former Cub who has seen many strange things, took over as interim manager. He put all listed pitchers in positional spots for the game. Non-pitchers pitched.

To even out the playing field, Scorpions player-manager Jose Canseco did the same. He also named himself starting pitcher. He threw six innings and won

My brain just shut down.

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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 13, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I say we begin lobby Peter LaCock for manager

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 13, 2011 3:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pete LaCock FTW

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by StorkFan on Jul 13, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see Josh Thole scoring a little higher...

…mainly due to his .350 OBP. To me, that might be worthy of a C+ or even a B-. But really, I can’t fault any of the rankings – it all looks right on to me.

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by Bryan Grosnick on Jul 13, 2011 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, too generous with Bay

He’s been an offensive black hole for too long. After the 2 homer game, he went back into it. D+ or C- at best. And that’s factoring in his D which has been solid.

by David G on Jul 13, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Brad Emaus deserves a better grade

Upgrading him to an F-

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Jul 13, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm, a little harsh for 37 abs

I think he could have done what Turner’s done if given the same amount of abs.

by David G on Jul 13, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine

Duda not getting a hold of one. Then again Wright is due back sonn, so maybe not. Tejada hitting one would be quite a shocker.

by graves9 on Jul 13, 2011 6:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

David Wright's B

I guess I can see it if we’re not grading relative to expectations, but man, he was pretty shitty toward the end there. And with hitter BABIP, you also want to consider LD%. That’s actually well below career norms. As such, it may be less a matter of luck than quality of contact.

by tmu on Jul 13, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

LD% aren't really that reliable.

Add in the fact that he only had 172 PA’s and I wouldn’t put that much weight on it.

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 15, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would give Paulino a B

and knock Bay down to a D. Bay had a week stretch where he trolled us, but otherwise was competely helpless.

by graves9 on Jul 13, 2011 2:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Agreed on Paulino

Ronny’s been a very pleasant surprise offensively. I was kind of sour on him with the whole PED suspension when he got here, but he’s been much better than expected.

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by MattT516 on Jul 13, 2011 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

agreed on Bay. they’d have 4-5 more wins if he’d been hitting .250 all year. he left a ton of guys on base early on, and at one point was 1 for 9 getting a runner in from 3rd with less than 2 out.

Shoot the puck Barry!!!

by dsteak on Jul 13, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

They would have maybe 2 more wins if Bay was hitting like he did in 2009

Jason Bay posted 5.0 fWAR in 2009. That’s about his ceiling.

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by Russ on Jul 13, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering Clutch

It’s hard to imagine that he’s still almost cost us a win from lack of clutch after the game-winning single off Mo (which should have yielded .66-ish clutch wins.) So with his optimal value and neutral clutch, he yields 3-4 more wins.

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by GenJackRipper on Jul 13, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

3-4 is over a full season

Over a half season, it’s probably 2.

And clutch is barely statistically relevant.

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by Russ on Jul 14, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with most of the grades

But (not hating on the article or writer) I wish we could go back to regular stats , its sports not math class ( a south park episode poked fun at all the new stats its the newest season but too lazy to find the name sorry).

by G unit Rams on Jul 13, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds funny

Damn me; I missed like the last 3 weeks of South Park. Damn Netflix.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 13, 2011 3:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wow.

I think the “Welcome to Amazin Avenue” post might be worth a read. It’s a site that looks critically at the value of different stats.

by tmu on Jul 13, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Numbers

If it was math class, they would make you figure out Paulino’s wOBA versus righties all by yourself. And there wouldn’t be dozens of links to funny R.A. Dickeyp pictures in the side bar.

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by apy5000 on Jul 13, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Do you know what actually happens in math classes?

I only ever hear this kind of line from people who don’t seem to have taken a math class in a long while (or understood one ever). Srsly, to understand even the most “advanced” baseball stats you just need basic arithmetic and at most a smattering of statistics (variance, etc.). It’s not like you need to figure out eigenvalues or solve differential equations to get this stuff.

by anonymous on Jul 13, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow eigenvalues and eigenvectors

Sends me back.

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by GenJackRipper on Jul 13, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm taking statistics now

and boy does it suck. trust me even that stuff is tough and i actually am very good w/ numbers

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Jul 13, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

Math class was my favorite class , the only class i even had the slightest interest in high school. I just think stats can make things more blurry instead of more clear. That’s my opinion and like i said i am not asking anyone to stop just stating something i feel strongly about. You now may go on to using your stats, I will stick to the boring stats and watching the game.

by G unit Rams on Jul 15, 2011 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

So facts make things more blurry?
I will stick to the boring stats and watching the game.

Tell me, how do you stand the sunlight?

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 15, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The episode you're thinking of was called TMI

and it had nothing to do with “the new stats”. Nor would it merit a mention in relation to this piece anyway if it did.

And actually, this is math class. Sorry!

by Joamiq on Jul 13, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

If you’r talking about the measuring you know what ,then you really missed the point. It is exactly about all the new stats trying to make real numbers look bad or if they look bad to make the player still be able to hold on to another stat. Like yeh his rbis arent good but his wOBA is great agianst pitchers at 3:33 pm East coast time lol.

by G unit Rams on Jul 15, 2011 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, you missed the point.

It had nothing to do with advanced baseball stats. It was about the increasingly common phenomenon of people getting really worked up about stupid shit and not being able to articulate why, and the fact that anger often results from insecurity. The fact that there was a complicated formula involved in the plot is incidental. If it had had anything to do with sabermetrics, trust me, it would have been obvious – they’re not believers in subtlety.

And I really hope you’re not advocating RBIs as a more useful measure of a hitter’s ability than wOBA (at any time).

by Joamiq on Jul 15, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, you have no idea what your talking about.

The episode “TMI” was directly making fun of the BMI scale. The BMI scale is what determines “obesity” in this county. However, the scale is not based on proper science (health cannot be determined by an individual’s outward appearance and it outright ignores body-type. There is a great Penn & Tell’s Bullshit episode about it). The beauty of the episode was that is simultaneously ripped the BMI scale as well as those who act like weight isn’t a problem in this country/society.

And the whole " 3:33 pm East coast time" crack is misplaced at best. That’s what Tim Kurkjen does; not advanced stats.

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 15, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take five and go fangraphs glossary.

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by NetsMets4Life on Jul 13, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we're going to use stats, why should we use crappy ones?

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by Russ on Jul 14, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

like wins, Saves and holds?

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by feslenraster on Jul 14, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

and RBIs, runs scored and batting average...

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by Russ on Jul 14, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which episode?

I fail to remember South Park making fun of anything that has a logical backing.

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 15, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I notice ESPN has a few polls on the Mets...

Would Beltran a good fit on the Giants?
69% Yes

Which is more true about the Mets core of Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, & David Wright?
54% The could NOT win a world series with them

Is K-Rod still an elite closer?
56% No

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by NetsMets4Life on Jul 13, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

A random fact.

Joel Hanrahan is 26 for 26 on saves this year OMGWTFBBQ

by Wei on Jul 13, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Mike Pelfrey

has a perfect save : save opportunity conversion rate for his career.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 13, 2011 3:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Look on the bright side

Joel Hanrahan could always still be pitching for the Natinals and dominating the NL East. Thanks for helping out on that one, L-Millz and Tony Plush.

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by MattT516 on Jul 13, 2011 4:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Who the fuck voted for Thole ?

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Jul 13, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

well

he’s actually been hitting pretty darn well for the last month+ (even though paulino’s bit into his playing time). since june 4 he’s hitting .333/.444/.450 and has struck out just 4 times

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Jul 13, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duda

I want to believe Duda has real power, but I’d like to see him hit some big league homers this season so that we know he’s not a poor man’s Sean Casey.

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by apy5000 on Jul 13, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Duda's power is real

That is not an issue. The concern is if he can make consistent contact at the major league level.

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by Russ on Jul 14, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Murph

i wish people would stop ripping Murphy on his fielding. he’s done fine, actually, better than fine at first this year and last, and he’s made some great plays at third. he could NOT play outfield, but he’s fine in the infield. his bat more than makes up for any errors he makes, and if he was used in the lineup a little better (flat out should be hitting second – lefty, .300 hitter, goes deep in the count), he makes fewer errors than wright does. who isn’t nervous when wright gets a ground ball in the 9th inning???

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by dsteak on Jul 13, 2011 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Murph has three errors in his last four games at third

He also cost the Mets a game vs the Pirates when he botched a ball at third. Wright unquestionably plays better defense at third than Murphy does.

by graves9 on Jul 13, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Figure the odds for Murph to throw someone out from deep 3rd are about 33%.The reporters asked Duda what he's

thinking defensively late in a close game at 1B and he said that he hopes they don’t hit it to him When pressed about it and asked what else is he thinking,he said “oh! Don’t hit it to Murph either”

by Putnan Prince on Jul 13, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for that

was it hard to make that number up?

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 15, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

but...but

Murphy is a NATURAL (insert position)

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Jul 13, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

murph is at a 4 uzr right now

He’s our best fielder.

Think about that for a second

by Mike Clemente on Jul 13, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

SSS

UZR is supposed to be used in 3+ year sample sizes.

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by Russ on Jul 14, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish people would stop saying

that Murphy absolutely can’t play 2B or 3B. He has barely played a handful of games at both, and even the best fielders can have a bad couple of games in a row.

by Joshuah on Jul 13, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so.

His wOBA is .310, and his ZIPS projected rest of way is .321. Murph’s at .344 with a ZIPS ROW of .339. The projected obp is Murph .341 Pagan .323. Pagan walks more and is faster, but Murph’s hit tool makes up for it. Maybe that sounds a little un-SABR, relying on batting average driven success continuing, but Murph probably would be more productive up there. He’s projected to make fewer outs, so that’s the pro-SABR hook.

by wobatus on Jul 17, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly can't take this list seriously if Bay gets a C+.

He’s got a .656 OPS.

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by Lonborg and champagne, Ollie and vodka on Jul 13, 2011 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Bay

Sounds like Eno is giving Bay a lot of credit for improving over last year’s disaster… Ike’s grade is probably a little generous as well considering how few ABs he had. I guess he had too many to be “incomplete,” though.

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by apy5000 on Jul 13, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bay's AVG, OBP and SLG are all DOWN from last year's disaster.

So he’s on pace for 12 HRs this time instead of 6. He’s still been useless.

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by Lonborg and champagne, Ollie and vodka on Jul 13, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Eh, maybe I did give Bay too much credit.

Saw a lot of him live in SF and LA and maybe that made me more positive. The lack of power continues.

by Eno Sarris on Jul 13, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

adjusted poll

Can I vote for Beltran or none of the above?

by Balsley on Jul 13, 2011 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Daniel Murphy

Murphy will be a good fielder at 2nd base. Two of his errors at 3rd were on the throw to first. Hey it was mentioned on the All Star game that one player had 188 errrors before the break (a S/S) Murphy hasnt been that bad.

by lionstein on Jul 13, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Our friendly phenom

Starlon(sp?) Castro

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by GenJackRipper on Jul 13, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starlin

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by feslenraster on Jul 14, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

So your saying that Murphy should be at least an A-?

I think that B+ is too generous, but I also think that everyone but Reyes was graded higher than they should be.

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by Russ on Jul 14, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Murphy post correction

That shgould have been 18 errors.

by lionstein on Jul 13, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

you rated reyes too low, should be higher, should have a fire ball or something

and wright is too high because david wrongz is unclutch and doesn't have any ringz

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by rexthejet on Jul 13, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Pagan gets a B for me

sure he’s a bit erratic, but he fills the lineup fairly well, especially when Jason Bay isn’t hitting.

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by feslenraster on Jul 13, 2011 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Daniel Murphy Numbers

Murphy is listed as 2nd baseman by Major league baseballs stats. He is 5th in many catagories against other 2nd baseman in NL.He would be a solid hitter at 2nd base.He also didnt have many errors when he played there and made some good plays.

by lionstein on Jul 13, 2011 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Toyally agree

Based on all the info we have, Murph plays an ugly, but effective second base. There is no reason to assume that more info will yield worse results, we go by the info we have.

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by GenJackRipper on Jul 13, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

FMart

Should have gotten a grade of F!

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by Kevin H on Jul 14, 2011 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

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