Figuring out Players to be Named Later in Mets' Trade with Brewers
In return for Francisco Rodriguez and a few million bucks, the Mets will receive two players to be named later (PTBNL) from the Brewers organization within the next six months. Eric provided a primer on PTBNL rules and a link to John Sickels' pre-season rankings of the Brewers' farm system yesterday.
I asked Kyle Lobner from Brew Crew Ball to answer a couple of questions about the Brewers to help us figure out who might eventually be coming back to the Mets, and he obliged. Thanks, Kyle!
Also, note that Kyle's last answer speaks to Eric's point about Sandy Alderson's interview on WFAN yesterday: One PTBNL has probably been in the big leagues but is in the minors now.
Chris McShane: Very few Mets fans are familiar with the Brewers' minor league system, but yesterday, Eric pointed out John Sickels' list of the organization's top prospects from January. Which, if any, of those players do you think are off limits in the Francisco Rodriguez trade?
Kyle Lobner: I'll be very surprised if the Brewers are willing to trade Tyler Thornburg at this point. He's one of very few top Brewer prospects who's having an excellent season, and he's almost certainly the consensus #1 player in the organization at this point. He's the only player I'd say is absolutely off limits, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that pitchers Cody Scarpetta, Kyle Heckathorn and Wily Peralta aren't options either.
Chris: Are there a few players who you think would make sense in this deal, given that the Mets are sending a few million dollars along with Rodriguez? Anything exciting about them?
Kyle: The Brewers have a handful of outfield prospects that probably project to be major leaguers within the next couple of years but don't really have a position to play with both Ryan Braun and Corey Hart on the roster. Caleb Gindl doesn't really have the body of a major leaguer and for that reason scouts don't always like him, but he's done nothing but hit in the minors. AA outfielder Erik Komatsu probably profiles as a solid #4 - he's got solid plate discipline to go with somewhat light power. Khris Davis has also been an excellent minor league hitter, but has been somewhat old for his level each of the last two seasons.
The Brewers also have an interesting second base prospect in AAA in Eric Farris, but he's blocked at the position by Rickie Weeks. Farris is working on becoming a utility player but I'm hearing he doesn't have the arm strength to consistently play shortstop. If that's the case, he probably doesn't have a place to play with this team.
Chris: The Brewers depleted their minor league system with the trades the team made for Zack Greinke and Shaun Marcum. How concerned are you about giving up even a pair of decent prospects in this trade?
Kyle: To be honest, I'm not deeply concerned. As I mentioned above, several of the Brewers' top position prospects are blocked within the organization. Losing one of them and a guy like Mike McClendon (who would fit the criteria of a guy who's been in the majors but isn't now) won't help the organization, but it's not exactly a crippling blow either.
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Do the Brewers have an magicians in their system
That could make Jason Bay disappear?
mat gamel
up and down prospect who has been in the majors but sent down. I’m not sure how the Brewers see him anymore but that could be an interesting option.
He was my first thought as well.
He’s not currently on the active roster, so he’s a possibility. I hope he’s on the list, he’s put up some nice numbers in the minors, even though they haven’t translated, and he can play 1B, 3B, or LF.
by BigBen10471 on Jul 14, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Would Gamel have a place to play for the Mets?
He’s a pretty poor defensive third baseman being groomed to play first.
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Mat Gamel is a poor-man's version of Who
I really don’t see how he fits into this system either, if Who doesn’t.
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by feslenraster on Jul 15, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
PTBNL
I hope that the names of the five players on the list remain confidential.
Imagine being one of the three guys that they mets don’t pick.
First you find out your current team doesn’t want you and then the Mets pass…
I remember reading a story about a minor leaguer who killed himself after being traded
for some baseball equipment.
Frankly, I hope it’s a figment of my imagination.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
It also is contingent on what the team needs
If I’m a catcher and let’s say Cincinnati or the Yankees (a team w/ a lot of catching prospects) has a choice of picking me as a PTBNL and they don’t, I wouldn’t exactly blink an eye. At the end of the day, I would guess prospects would rather go where there’s a chance of them breaking through to the major league level down the line.
I don’t know if they ever disclose the PTBNL lists, though.
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by MattT516 on Jul 14, 2011 4:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Khris Davis
I`d love to know why Khris Davis hasn’t been promoted to AA. You can’t play much better than he is right now, and he’s a little too old for the Florida state league, so it would seem a promotion is in order.
by Unappreciated Genius on Jul 14, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions
It's Josh Satin syndrome
no promotion for you!
by David G on Jul 14, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ironically enough, just in from Heyman
http://twitter.com/#!/SI_JonHeyman/status/91587889040859136
The Brewers were actually on K-Rods no trade list, but since Kinzer never gave the Mets the list, there’s nothing he can do about it. Just all around weird. Might be a little FU from Kizner to K-Rod for hiring Boras instead.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 14, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty awesome, really
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 14, 2011 4:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It makes perfect sense; the back-story went something like this
Kinzer: Great working with you on the contract, Omar.
Minaya: You know what I’m sayin’?
Kinzer: Just one more open item — where do I send the no-trade list?
Minaya: Wow, these things are coming out!
Kinzer: Uh, yeah. We talked about this — the list of 10 teams.
Minaya: I was kind of a little bit, I had to think about it.
Kinzer: Sure, Omar. Where do you want me to send the list?
Minaya: You know what I’m sayin?
Kinzer: That list with the Brewers and the nine other teams—where do I send it?
Minaya: Adam, you gotta understand this.
Kinzer: I’m Paul.
Minaya: He has lobby myself, he has lobby Tony.
Kinzer: Where do I send the no-trade list, Omar?
Minaya: Adam. Rubin. Lobby. You know what I’m sayin"?
Two Days Later
Adam Rubin: What the hell is this list of the Brewers and nine other teams doing in my lobby?
by Ownbey4Mex on Jul 14, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 19 recs
Mobile Rec'd
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 14, 2011 5:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOLOLOL
Mobile rec’d as well. I’m dying here.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jul 14, 2011 5:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh my god that was perfect.
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by NetsMets4Life on Jul 14, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
at this point
with a couple days to digest, I suppose I’m just happy that we got $17mil and 2 mops/bags of balls/pitching screens out of Krod.
Who knows, maybe we even get a quirky personality that turns into

Here’s to the Captain Fastball era
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 14, 2011 4:22 PM EDT reply actions
I'll take a quirky misfit who potential, sure
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 14, 2011 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
quirky misfit?

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by Coolpapabell on Jul 14, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That's all cool and junk
But can we get the non “spandex tuxedo” model of quirky? That was distirbing.
Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.
is this quirky enough for you?

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Works for me.
But, is he have the Dominator?
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Taylor Green?
After reading this article, i was impulsed to do some extended research on the Brewers prospects. The player I think is a strong possibility is Taylor Green. Kind of an under radar guy but the numbers don’t lie. He mostly plays 3b but has had time at 2nd and put up solid defense numbers recently. Granted he hasn’t played there much but he seems solid. Mostly im impressed by his offensive numbers. He’s hitting .308 with 13 homer and a solid .384 obp this season in triple A. Downfall is hes already 24 and has limited speed and questions about defense. But he could be a possible big league ready player who can finally solve the mets second base dilema.
My guess is
it’s Khris Davis and then either Parra or Kottaras as the guy with major league experience, which would be a nice haul. Taylor Green is also a good guess, but you have to think at least one of the players is a pitcher, since pitching depth at AAA is such an issue. We can’t keep throwing Pat Misch out there forever.
I can see what your saying about a pitcher… we have 0 depth but do we really need another outfielder? Hes already old for his level and we a have a slew of guys like Vaughn, Puello, Lagares, and Ceciliani who are on a similar pace as Davis? Taylor Green could be a more vital player in the organization.
Do we really have that much depth at OF other than Vaughn and N-house?
N-house is looking at surgery, F-mart is always hurt, Ratliff is hurt, Cecliani is struggling in Savannah and filler guys like Maldonado and Botts are playing at Bingo and Buffalo. Puello has been underwhelming this year, OPSing .619 btw. We are potentially stuck with Bay in LF for awhile, and right field is a huge question mark. Even Pagan doesn’t hit LH that well. I think better outfielders are most definitely needed.
Also 23 isn’t exactly ancient for Hi A. The average age of the league is 22.7 years old. Sometimes it’s just not the player’s fault that they aren’t promoted, and you can’t really hold the fact that they haven’t been given the opportunity against them.
The answer?
Yes, we could use another outfielder. It’s never a bad thing to have too much depth to deal from a strength.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jul 14, 2011 7:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
David, you are correct
The outfield in the Mets minor lagues is quite in turmoil right now.
Fernando Martinez is… well, he’s Alex Escobar
Kirk Nieuwenhuis will most probably have surgery this month and projects as a 4th outfielder anyway.
Sean Ratliff may never be back.
Cesar Puello and Juan Lagares do not project out as a major leaguer
Cory Vaughn looks good but years away
Cesar Puello is having an off year
So is DC
Look for the Mets to pick an outfielder from Milwaukee.
By the way… the Mets stole one in Charlie Thurber… basically didn’t play 2011… remember the name
also… remember… Tillman Pugh
den dekker?
young, quick, may be a weaker bat at higher levels, but his fielding has been called plus.
"..."
by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Jul 15, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
4th outfielder ceiling, maybe second-division starter.
He’s an enigma because people hang three above-average to plus tools on him easily (glove, run, arm), but the bat is average at best and the power is fringe-average. Also, he still gets eaten up by lefties.
Honestly, I like the guy, and I think he could be very good at his role but I’m not expecting a star but much more serviceable version of Jeremy Reed.
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by Five-Tool Tool on Jul 15, 2011 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
They have real sleepers in their system that no one's mentioned yet.
This kid Listach from Arizona State projects to be a stud, I think he can supplant Reyes as our starting shortstop if everything shakes out right.
On the pitching side, Jeff Juden seems like someone who could be a real front of the rotation starter if the Brewers will let him loose. Strikeouts are down a little this year at Jackson, but the stuff is still there.
Trust me on this one, guys.
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by Five-Tool Tool on Jul 15, 2011 12:19 AM EDT reply actions
Hah, I almost looked that up
Pat Listach, that’s a blast from the past.
the only thing i hope is
whoever we get is not best projected to be a DH.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I hope its not Manny Parra
that guy is about as good as Oliver Perez was.
but, I guess AAA depth isn’t so bad.
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