Trade Beltran and sign him in the off season?

sounds like a win-win to me, even if it seems very unlikely

10 months ago davein2d 32 comments 1 recs |

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Nice in theory, but

Boras is his agent, he’s playing at All-Star levels, and is going to get probably $15 million next season, or thereabouts. If the team is operating closer to $100 million dollars than $120 million, we can’t afford that.

We also have Duda, Fernando Martinez, and Kirk, who are all on the threshold of not really “needing” to be in the Minors to continue developing. They’re going to need chances eventually to show they can be ML’ers.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 21, 2011 7:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

wonder what the deal is now that they won their suit

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by astromets on Jul 21, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions

$12 million per for 5 years

and he gets a seafood restaurant at Citi. Shellfish Beltran’s.

I am super serious.

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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Jul 21, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs

Holy shit, this is brilliant.......

Rec’d forever.

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by fxcarden on Jul 21, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions

I would eat there

The food would be great, but people wouldn’t appreciate it because it wasn’t spicy enough.

by hotspur on Jul 21, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs

The celery wouldn't be flashy enough.

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 21, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Not celery.

Parsley.

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 21, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Also, some guy will ask for an impossible design of the salad

And then complain.

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by Aidan Gibson on Jul 22, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions

That would be the only restaurant on the planet

which Gregg Pomes doesn’t have a reserved seat at.

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by Blame-everyone-else on Jul 22, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Great idea!

I prefer Beltran’s Shellfish, but either way works.

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by Russ on Jul 22, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

$15mm

wouldn’t be that bad for next year. the question is, how many years does boras think he can get beltran signed for? he won’t have the benefit of omar minaya bidding against himself.

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by davein2d on Jul 21, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Instead he might have the benefit of other teams bidding against eachother

Beltran is going to be one of the better bats available this offseason.

by Balagast on Jul 22, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions

3/30 with an option year

I would think that Beltran would come back for that. He supposedly was going to ask about an extension before the knee surgery.

by Joshuah on Jul 22, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Meh

Duda is playing regularly now and has been underwhelming. Not putting up enough offense so far for first base. Kirk is coming off surgery and Fernando Martinez is certainly not ready to come up yet. He needs to walk more and stay healthy. That’s a pretty meh group all around. And you are saying you don’t want Beltran back so they can get a shot at playing?

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by Blame-everyone-else on Jul 22, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions

He's not saying Beltran needs to leave so they can can Duda some more at-bats.

He’s just saying there are internal options if it comes to that.

by EricAColucci on Jul 22, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions

So why bring it up at all?

There are internal options that are far inferior to Beltran. That should not affect their decisions a bit.

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by Blame-everyone-else on Jul 22, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions

Huh?

It’s pretty important to the issue. The question is not, “Is Beltran better than Duda, Martinez, and Kirk?” It’s pretty obvious that, right now, he is. But he’ll be an injury risk (both because of the chronic knee problems and his age) and he’ll be expensive. So let’s say it takes a three-year deal to resign Beltran, around $16 million per season. While he could very well outperform everyone, it would not at all be certain that he would outperform them over the entire span of the contract. There’s a pretty good chance that the Mets would be better off finding a stop-gap option until Duda, Martinez, or (the most likely candidate) Nieuwenhuis emerge. And that doesn’t even take into account short term money issues, such as all the money they’re going to have to pay Reyes.

Having options makes the team a lot more flexible. I’d argue that they’re much better set up at the OF position than at 2B or C for the near future. But I imagine that’s true for a lot of teams.

by EricAColucci on Jul 22, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions

Sure, although

if Beltran were to get hurt and miss some time, then you’d still likely have Martinez, Duda and Kirk waiting in the wings to fill in for him. I still feel like if they are going to compete next year, they need Beltran or a player with a similar level of production from RF (especially with Bay being a black hole in LF). I don’t really trust any of those three to come near an adequate level of offensive production next season (Kirk would be my top choice but the shoulder surgery clouds things up a lot).

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by Steve Schreiber on Jul 22, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, if the Mets have a chance to compete next year, it might be worth it to resign Beltran.

If it looks like their pitching might get better with Santana coming back and looking okay, and through the trade of Beltran (Mike Minor would be a sweet haul), maybe they should go all-in and try to resign him in the offseason. But if it doesn’t look like they’ll get much better next year, I’d rather they didn’t sign him to a multi-year deal and instead just wait until Kirk is healthy/ready.

by EricAColucci on Jul 22, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions

He’s put up a .381 wOBA, 145 wRC+, and .182 ISO in 51 PA’s in July.

He takes a while to get going (inconsistent play will do that), but once he get’s going he’s productive.

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 22, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions

Yes he definiely has had a nice few weeks

But not good enough to take into consideration for whether or not to resign Beltran. Especially when you factor in defense. Duda seems average at best at first, I can’t imagine he would be an option in the outfield.

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by Blame-everyone-else on Jul 22, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions

To my eye, Duda's defense in LF is much improved from last year

I think that he needs more time in RF, but that he could be acceptable there. That said, I’d like for the Mets to resign Beltran as long as the contract is no more than two years.

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by Russ on Jul 22, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions

This would be awesome but I don't see it happening, and

I’m not sure Mets fans in general really deserve him back. The guy’s awesome, we never appreciated him, let him go get a ring or two.

And I agree that it’s time to see if Duda, Fernando, or Kirk can hack it up in the big leagues

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by Terry_is_God on Jul 21, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions

Anyone read that last part?

The Mets told closer Jason Isringhausen that he will not be traded. The Mets feel that he can help Bobby Parnell learn how to do the job, and if Parnell cannot learn it, then Isringhausen can continue to do it himself.

Teach him how to close? That doesn’t even make sense within the bullshit “closer mentality” narrative, let alone actual reality.

by EricAColucci on Jul 22, 2011 12:15 AM EDT reply actions

That sounds made up, honestly.

No way Alderson buys into that stuff.

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 22, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions

Right?

Makes no sense.

by EricAColucci on Jul 22, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions

Alderson might not, but most players do

I’m willing to bet there really wasn’t much of a market for Izzy, and at the same time, Parnell/others has expressed doubts about him, since he’s not True Closer™. So, Izzy ‘teaches’ him, Parnell gains confidence, others accept him as a True Closer™…

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 22, 2011 3:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

I bet most teams in the race would like a veteran guy with the "late inning situation" perception.

We may only get a C prospect for him, but that’s a C prospect we didn’t have before.

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 22, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Ya I think the more likely senario

Izzy has said he doesn’t want to be traded and Sandy realizes he can’t really get much of anything for Izzy in a trade so why suffer the bad PR of trading a guy who has publicly asked not to be.

by Balagast on Jul 22, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions

has this ever been done in sports? where a player gets traded and returns to the team as a FA?

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by feslenraster on Jul 22, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions

Cliff Lee, though he was traded a bit prior to the 2010 season.

by tkow on Jul 22, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

rickey henderson

he was traded — by sandy alderson — during the ’93 season to toronto. following the season he signed a 2-yr deal to rejoin oakland.

however i must say that for some reason i feel this is more of an argument against the reality of that option for any other player than for it. rickey is/was just a nutcase, who knows why he did anything. probably not instructive to assume that anyone on this planet would operate the same way he did in any respect.

by Rob Castellano on Jul 22, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions