Daniel Murphy should be starting at 2nd base
A couple of months ago, Ike Davis was crushing the ball, rapidly establishing himself as the Mets' most valuable commodity in his second full season. Davis has improved in leaps and bounds in every year as a pro, and if he simply were to sustain his first two months across a full season, he'd be one of the better players in the majors.
Davis had an unfortunate injury path--day-to-day became 15 days on the DL, which became a couple of months off, which became season-ending surgery (it's not official yet, but it's coming).
At the same time, the Mets were trying to figure out their best solution at second base. Brad Emaus had been a disappointment and was exiled back to Toronto. Justin Turner had started out hot, but Terry Collins was still flirting with the platoon arrangement with Daniel Murphy at second.
Once Davis went down, Murphy slid over to first, reprising his position from 2009. Murph played solid defense at first in 2009; he often looked unorthodox, but he tended to hold his own there. Turner snagged the second base job full-time. As a temporary solution with the goal of winning in 2011 in mind, this was a good outcome.
Flash forward to the present, where it no longer looks like the Mets will be competing for a playoff berth in 2011. The Phils and Braves have had excellent years and have left the Mets many games back. And the Mets are about to trade the great Carlos Beltran. It's been a good run, especially considering the low expectations from local and national media and the sheer number of injuries they've had, but it's time to start looking to 2012. This implies that they should be trying to figure out who fits in--and where.
Which brings me back to Daniel Murphy. For all the talk about Murphy at second, he's played the equivalent of fewer than 20 games there in his major league career. He spent over twice that much time in left field, of all places. Here's how Murph's defensive history shakes out:
1B - 1188 innings (58.2%)
LF - 464 2/3 innings (22.8%)
3B - 220 2/3 innings (10.8%)
2B - 168 innings (8.2%)
The Mets have 60 games remaining. That means that if Murphy stays healthy, he'll get a chance to log another 500 or so innings at 2B, assuming a few double switches and off-days. That would quadruple his major league experience there. Murphy is now an established major league hitter, sporting a career .287/.337/.439 line and a 109 OPS+ in 1,086 PAs. It is worth using the season's last two months to figure out where Murphy fits in going forward. Back when Davis seemed like he would return, it made sense to have Murphy fill in at first, as a stopgap, so that they could get their best players on the field at once. Long-term, though, if Murphy has a future with the Mets, it's at second base (or third if Wright is eventually moved to the outfield).
This implies that Justin Turner be relegated to bench duty/occasional starts against lefties. It's unfortunate, because Turner has done very good work for the Mets this year. But it's time to evaluate for the future and get Murphy some extended work at second. If Murphy isn't going to stick at second, I'd rather know by the end of the year than in June 2012.
First base, then, is the question mark. The solution is pretty clear at this stage, if you're set with Duda in right and Murph at second: the Mets should give plate appearances to Nick Evans at first and hope for the best from the defense (which will have quite a few negative spots). Once Beltran gets dealt, I'd stack the lineup as follows:
1. Reyes (SS)
2. Evans (1B)
3. Murphy (2B)
4. Wright (3B)
5. Duda (RF)
6. Bay (LF)
7. Pagan (CF)
8. Thole (C)
Overall, you're not losing much offense from Turner to Evans; in fact, you might be gaining a bit of power. (The downgrade is on run prevention.) I'll leave it to a poll.
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I agree.
He’s not wresting 1B away from Ike, and unless the plan is for Murphy to be a utility man/super sub, let him learn his position of the future with this team.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 26, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree on Murphy at 2B
Prefer to give Duda some of Bay’s AB’s in LF and some of Evans at 1B. Play Pridie and Fern if he ever gets back in RF and see what it looks like.
Amazing what a log jam there is with all these utility LF, RF, 1B types.
If the Mets thought that Murphy was an option at 2nd he would be playing there I guess you think that
Collins and Alderson and his staff don’t know how to evaluate what a player is capable of.
don't like my voting option
basically, do I take Turner or Evans? Those aren’t even realistic options since Nick Evans isn’t even on the team, and there are other ways that things could turn out
I LIKE IKE!
I'm waiting till after July 31
Alderson may have some surprises up his sleeve
Just to make things more confusing
I have a high regard for Keith Hernandez’s commentary. He has been critical of Wright’s ability to throw from third. I can see a script where Wright is at second base and Murphy is at third. Davis comes back to first base and, if Reyes isn’t signed, Turner winds up at short.
Stated this weeks ago
Start him at 2nd the rest of the yr to get his feet more wet and learn more on the job. Better to do it now than learn on the job and have the same question marks going into this yr next yr
I agree, but that doesn't seem to be Terry's M.O.
I’ve been very critical of Terry all year—too critical, I guess, and unfairly so. He seems like a decent guy and also a relatively sharp guy.
But Terry has clearly demonstrated he’s a “this-year” guy, even when decisions made this year can lead to sub-optimal outcomes in successive years. He kept running K-Rod out there in the ninth; he doesn’t give Nick Evans nearly enough chances to show what he can do, and now he’s digging in with Murphy at 1b.
Even if we accept for argument’s sake that making Murphy the starting second-basemen for the rest of the year results in less W’s this year, I still think putting him on 2d now is the smart move going forward: we have close to a 0% chance of making the playoffs this year, and we’ll have a damn better chance of making the playoffs in subsequent years with an improved and comfortable Murphy at 2b.
As you said, Terry is a this year guy
and who can blame the man as this is probably his last chance to manage a team in the majors and he is only on a two year contract. I suspect that as the season goes on, if the Mets don’t make up any ground on the Braves say by mid August, you’ll start seeing more of Murphy at second.
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by Blame-everyone-else on Jul 28, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
who's that blank next to Murphy as second choice?
someone correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Murphy start hitting after he found a position he didn’t have to worry about defense?
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If you look at the uzr rating
murphy has a 1.9 vs turner who has a -0.9, and the uzr/150 is even more in his favor. We can probably expect it to go down with more regular playing time but even if it does he is no worse than turner at the spot. Just give him more reps at the position he will get better, the team needs his bat.
by newyorksportsfan on Jul 29, 2011 6:24 PM EDT reply actions
Using less than a season's UZR data is a small sample size, though.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 29, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but it doesn't change the fact that Murphy's D has been better than Turner's, so far
Offensively, there’s no real comparison.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 31, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions

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