Post-Beltran Applesauce: Beltran traded to San Fran, Mets win anyway

by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 28, 2011 9:11 AM EDT in Applesauce

Yesterday was a big day if you're a Mets fan, so we'll start off by getting right into the topic everybody is going to be talking about today. Mike Pelfrey had an excellent showing as the Mets defeated the Reds 8-2. Lucas Duda homered in his first start as the everyday right fielder in this one, here's hoping his power starts to show as he gets to play everyday in the same role.

As for other news yesterday, you may have heard that we traded Carlos Beltran to San Francisco. While I'm sure we can expect a bunch of reflection to appear today on Betran's six and a half seasons as a Met, yesterday was focused more on the players involved in the deal. ESPN, though, was quick to realize just how valuable Beltran was to the Mets, even citing WAR in their piece.

As far as the expected return goes, Patrick Flood took a look at what we could expect for a 2 month rental of Beltran here. After coming to the conclusion that we'd likely not get a players as highly rated as Wheeler, most of the reaction to the deal we heard yesterday was positive. ESPN seems to love the job Alderson is doing, and Howard Megdal has good things to say as well. Nathaniel Stoltz seems to think it's risky for both sides, but outside of a certain "writer" we all know it's the closest thing to negative reaction I've seen so far from the Mets perspective.

McCovey Chronicles had a hilarious take on what Alderson's calls on Beltran must have gone like. It's no day in the life of Brian Stokes, but what is?

As far as what we actually got in return for Beltran, Zack Wheeler appears to be the only guy. Alex did a little look at him yesterday here. I've got three brief mentions from Sickels. The first will go all the way back to the 2009 draft. Next we'll look at his top 20 prior to this season. Finally we'll look at his midseason top 20 review from this week.

I also thought these two reports from scouting the sally would be fun to watch. First, we have a game report from last August. Next we'll have a more general report from just prior to the season.

In other Mets prospect news, Scouting the Sally did a nice report on Cory Vaughn. While I'm less skeptical than they are about Vaughn's power, it's certainly a very fair assessment.

Around the NL East:

Beltran's new team was so inspired by his mere presence on the roster that they defeated the Phillies in Philly by a score of 2-1. Let's hope their dominance of the bad guys continues.

Atlanta managed a 2-1 walkoff win in the 10th inning last night. They also acquired backup catcher Wil Nieves from the Brewers.

The Marlins defeated the Nationals 7-5.

Around MLB:

In the biggest news of the day on the actual field, the Angels Ervin Santana tossed a no hitter against the Indians. Maybe that's why Carlos didn't want to go there.

The Blue Jays were active yesterday, making two trades that ended up with Colby Rasmus in Canada. These deals are just further reinforcement that Alex Anthopoulos is really good at his job.

Fangraphs takes a look at the odds against the Mariner's losing streak. Let's just say that runs of poor form like that are fairly improbable.

BTB did a nice interview with Bill Petti. If you have any interest at all in advanced statistics, this is worth a read.

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woke up sadder about the trade than I was yesterday.

Thank you very much New York Times!

Anyway, I really hope Wheeler turns into something special so I can remember this deal more fondly then I do at this moment.

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by brooklynberger on Jul 28, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions

My thoughts about the Cory Vaughn scouting report

First, I disagree with questioning his future power. He has already demonstrated his power in Brooklyn, and now again in St. Lucie. What was observed in the Sally may be unique to the environment that Vaughn was in.

I agree with questions about his mechanics, which can effect power. It also effects what I believe will be his bigger issue, which will be making contact at higher levels.

Does Vaughn have the potential of being only a AAAA player? Sure, but because of potential contact issues, not because of his power.

Also, the claim that his speed will go away as he matures is overstated to me. Vaughn was clocked running a 6.65 60 by Perfect Game in 2008. Some people will point to Vaughn’s father and uncle as proof that his speed will go away. The difference here is that Cory Vaughn is a type 1 diabetic, so he has to be very proactive with his nutrition.

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by Russ on Jul 28, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions

I think Cory's going to be a good corner outfielder

Plus, he’ll probably be the heir apparent to Bay, so he’ll be awesome by comparison.

by David G on Jul 28, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions

Thanks to the great group of guys at AA for the link

But Russ, you are quoting 3-year old run times and power from short season where he was old for the league.

In 350+ at bats in full season baseball, Cory Vaughn has a SLG of .423. That doesn’t cut it for a corner outfield prospect unless you can steal 40+ bags.

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by ScoutingTheSally on Jul 28, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Isn't Savannah a run suppressing environment?

Startcorner’s park factors for the Sand Gnats indicate 74 for HR and 95 for wOBA. Couldn’t that be partially responsible for his .408 SLG there?

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by Michkin on Jul 28, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions

What run times do you have him clocked at?

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by Russ on Jul 28, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Hate to be a nitpicker, but:

I think you spelled Brian Socks wrong up there.

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by wrightHOF on Jul 28, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions

Stronger Talent: Zack Wheeler or Matt Harvey?

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by sparbz on Jul 28, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions

We don't have to choose because we have both

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by Russ on Jul 28, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Exactly

I am just thinking of what the AA rotation could be next year (this is just speculation, as one or two may start in AAA based on rest of this season): Mejia (if he starts there to rehab further), Harvey, Familia, Wheeler, and that guy who is tearing it up in A (I am too lazy to look right now, but is it Gorski?). That is an awesome rotation and it makes me salivate for 2013!!

Oh and Russ, you had the best gif ever last night!

by CCE718 on Jul 28, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions

If I had to choose between the two on draft day, I'd have taken Harvey

I really like both

by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 28, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions

George Vecsey is a tool

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by Aidan Gibson on Jul 28, 2011 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

RE: ESPN

Carlos Beltran has a gift. It’s the gift of effortlessness, the ability to do the spectacular while appearing to barely break a sweat.

That is all I needed to read. Thanks.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Jul 28, 2011 10:18 AM EDT reply actions

Alex Anthopoulos

has pretty much clinched the Executive of the Year award, and the season isn’t veen over. Hell, in my mind he clinched it with the Wells trade.

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by Coolpapabell on Jul 28, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions

You never know

If Sandy somehow traided Bay…

by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 28, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions

And didn't pay a lot of money

He’d be Mets executive of the millenium

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by Aidan Gibson on Jul 28, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions

i fully expect

bay to be traded this offseason.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jul 28, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions

Day in the Life of Brian Stokes is absolutely hilarious

by Shevshevy on Jul 28, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions

Here's the deal on Wheeler ...

Thanks to Giants site:

Zack Wheeler 21 | PStatus: Active

San Jose Giants
Class A Advanced California LeagueMLB Parent Club: San Francisco

Stats
ERA:
3.99
W-L:
7-5
SV:
0
SO:
98 Bookmark Player
Full Name: Zachary Harrison Wheeler
Born: 05/30/1990
Birthplace: Dallas, GA
Height: 6’ 3"
Weight: 180
Bats: R
Throws: R

2011 Season
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
SJ CAL 7 5 3.99 16 16 0 0 0 88.0 74 44 39 7 47 98 1.35 .224
Minors 7 5 3.99 16 16 0 0 0 88.0 74 44 39 7 47 98 1.35 .224
Last 10 Games: (Current team only)
Date OPP W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
May 17 @MOD 0 1 4.76 1 1 0 0 0 5.2 5 3 3 0 5 4 2.00 .238
May 23 @STK 0 0 9.00 1 1 0 0 0 4.0 5 4 4 1 6 5 0.50 .313
May 29 STK 1 0 0.00 1 1 0 0 0 7.0 3 0 0 0 1 12 0.67 .120
Jun 05 @STK 1 0 1.29 1 1 0 0 0 7.0 5 1 1 0 3 3 1.57 .192
Jun 14 BAK 1 0 1.80 1 1 0 0 0 5.0 4 1 1 0 5 3 1.00 .286
Jun 27 @MOD 0 1 10.80 1 1 0 0 0 5.0 7 6 6 1 2 6 0.60 .333
Jul 03 @STK 0 1 6.00 1 1 0 0 0 6.0 5 4 4 1 4 8 1.00 .227
Jul 09 BAK 0 0 0.00 1 1 0 0 0 5.0 1 1 0 0 6 6 1.00 .059
Jul 16 IE 1 0 3.00 1 1 0 0 0 6.0 6 3 2 1 1 7 3.00 .250
Jul 22 @BAK 0 1 8.44 1 1 0 0 0 5.1 10 5 5 0 1 3 2.67 .417
Totals 4 4 4.18 10 10 0 0 0 56.0 51 28 26 4 34 57 1.28 .243
Splits: (Current team only)
Entire Season W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
Starter 7 5 3.99 16 16 0 0 0 88.0 74 44 39 7 47 98 1.94 .224
vs Left 6.41 26.2 33 20 19 4 22 35 3.30 .292
vs Right 2.93 61.1 41 24 20 3 25 63 1.58 .189
Home Games 5 0 1.60 7 7 0 0 0 39.1 26 11 7 2 20 52 1.77 .184
Away Games 2 5 5.92 9 9 0 0 0 48.2 48 33 32 5 27 46 2.08 .254
Day Games 2 0 2.81 3 3 0 0 0 16.0 10 5 5 1 12 11 2.11 .175
Night Games 5 5 4.25 13 13 0 0 0 72.0 64 39 34 6 35 87 1.90 .234
On Grass 7 5 3.99 16 16 0 0 0 88.0 74 44 39 7 47 98 1.94 .224
April 2 0 3.38 4 4 0 0 0 21.1 15 10 8 2 6 27 1.69 .185
May 2 2 3.95 5 5 0 0 0 27.1 21 13 12 2 19 35 1.86 .208
June 2 1 4.24 3 3 0 0 0 17.0 16 8 8 1 10 12 1.50 .262
July 1 2 4.43 4 4 0 0 0 22.1 22 13 11 2 12 24 3.00 .253
Pre All-Star 6 2 3.26 11 11 0 0 0 60.2 45 25 22 4 33 68 1.75 .203
Post All-Star 1 3 5.60 5 5 0 0 0 27.1 29 19 17 3 14 30 2.50 .269
Bases Empty 1.00 45.0 43 5 5 5 26 55 1.64 .238
Runners On 7.12 43.0 31 39 34 2 21 43 2.35 .208
Scoring Position 10.00 27.0 19 35 30 1 16 28 2.54 .198
First Half 6 2 3.26 11 11 0 0 0 60.2 45 25 22 4 33 68 1.75 .203
Second Half 1 3 5.60 5 5 0 0 0 27.1 29 19 17 3 14 30 2.50 .269
Season Totals 7 5 3.99 16 16 0 0 0 88.0 74 44 39 7 47 98 1.35 .224
2005-Present:
Year Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
2010 AUG SAL 3 3 3.99 21 13 0 0 0 58.2 47 27 26 0 38 70 2.68 .218
2010 Minors 3 3 3.99 21 13 0 0 0 58.2 47 27 26 0 38 70 2.68 .218
2011 SJ CAL 7 5 3.99 16 16 0 0 0 88.0 74 44 39 7 47 98 1.35 .224
2011 Minors 7 5 3.99 16 16 0 0 0 88.0 74 44 39 7 47 98 1.35 .224
Biography:
Selected by the San Francisco Giants in the first round (sixth overall) of the 2009 First-Year Player Draft.
Awards/Honors:
06/20/2011 CAL Mid-Season All-Star
07/11/2010 Futures Game Selection

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by VJH5404 on Jul 28, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions

Well, that was certainly unreadable.

by anonymous on Jul 28, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions

You probably shouldnt have bothered posting this.

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by NetsMets4Life on Jul 28, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

This is dead by now, but I'll post it here anyway.

I belong to some other boards, one of which is for the game Out of the Park Baseball. Some years ago a poster there who goes by the handle knockahoma made two brilliant posts poking fun at various bugs in the game system, and he used Curtis Borkholder (no relation) as his foil. As the saying goes, “It’s no Day in the Life of Brian Stokes”, but they made me laugh. You only need the first post in each thread to understand the story.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/earlier-versions-ootp-general-discussions/152735-chronicles-curtis-borkholder.html

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/ootp-11-general-discussions/198617-scout-curtis-borkholder-fired.html

by Curtis3331 on Jul 29, 2011 3:21 AM EDT reply actions