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Why I not only support the Mets, but can even stomach watching them play.

[EDIT]  I've realized that this is sort of a rambling rant, so to clarify what the hell the title means:

 I love the Mets through bad times and good.  Usually if they're going through bad times I just find it all the more endearing.  But the past few seasons prior to this year were just too disheartening for me to watch a lot of the games and follow the season closely– I thought my team had given up on itself, or at least lost its way.  Who knows how right I was about that, if it all? It's just how I felt.  

The point is, for me, they're getting back to being the AMAZIN's.  I'm seeing more of a spark ; a light at the end of the tunnel... and I have found myself simply obsessed with this year's team, and excited about the future of the club. For this I thank Sandy, Terry, and, yes, Omar... [/EDIT]

 

To be a Mets fan is to embrace the pain of the human experience.  

I have been a Mets fan for as long as I can remember (mom was from Queens), but to be perfectly honest I haven't been paying all that much attention to them since the 2006 NLCS.  (Can you blame me? An agonizing loss–albeit slightly tempered, for me, by my longstanding fondness for the Cardinals, who did manage to bring glory to the NL by winning a World Series I couldn't bring myself to watch; the Mets would've taken it too).  After the air came rushing out of that balloon faster than Armando Benitez blowing a save in September, the team seemed lost, and in recent seasons this was not the Mets I thought I knew.

 I don't mind watching a team lose.  But I did not see any passion for the game on that bench whenever I did decide to tune in.   At least earlier sucky Mets seasons I had experienced were fun to watch because there was spirit! Ya had to believe– even the suckage was at least entertaining suckage. When Jeromy Burnitz sucked, he had the decency to go all out and suck magnificently, and hit like .111 to keep things interesting and the snark flowing from the announcers' booth.  When Mo Vaughn sucked, at least he was a spectacle to behold. But now, after '06 the suck was just a pervasive negativity.  It was truly depressing, and even when things looked like they were going well I couldn't get my heart into it, and looking back on those seasons, I'm thankful that I didn't let myself get emotionally invested.

But this season, everything has changed.  I can't miss a game.  I find myself listening to sports radio all the time.  And even though going by the numbers they are having a mediocre run of it that barely achieves "relevancy", I am more optimistic about the Metropolitans than I have been since that soul-crushing 2006 post-season .  

The key to all of this is probably evident in the name I've chosen: Terry Freaking Collins, a MOTY shoe-in if those darn Pirates hadn't chosen this season to suddenly be good.  Terry and to a lesser extent Sandy have impressed me from Day One.  His style almost reminds me of Bobby V, only better, more mature and with a seemingly fierce cunning for the ins and outs of the game.  He also forces the team to fight hard for 27 outs and never give up.   He has convinced our AAA kids that they have the ability to take over for our inevitably-disabled stars, and the other pleasant shock that's keeping me interested is that they actually DO have the ability! Apparently Omar wasn't a complete fool and our farm system doesn't suck. . . so why was that the popular opinion among the fanbase, not that long ago? 

Even if this season nosedives horribly, I will be sticking with the 2011 squad to the bitter end, just to see how they take it.   That's how different things feel right now.  It's exciting.

~~~

In 2004, when I was thirteen, my English teacher assigned us four essays to try our hand at: descriptive, expository, something else, and persuasive.  I decided to write a persuasive essay about why you should choose to root for the Mets over the Yankees.  Reading this now, the logic I used to make the argument was shoddy, bordering on insane. And my claim that baseball isn't even about winning is debatable to say the least.  But I stand by this essay.  Really, if you're a good, loving person, being a Mets fan is better for you than being a Yankee fan. It's just that simple.  And I believe it more than ever in two-thousand-eleven.

 

 Here is the essay. I'm pretty sure I got an "A".

 

 

English 1 Honors

6 January 2004

Persuasive

I was in Florida for a few weeks in the summer a couple years ago when the Mets lost eight games in a row.  Of course, none of the local channels showed their games unless they were playing the Marlins (which they weren’t) or they landed on ESPN’s bizarre baseball game rotation (which didn’t happen).  So I was in the dark about my team for a while; all I could do was check the scores in the paper the day after the fact.  Every day my embarrassed wince grew a little more painful upon seeing the losses pile up.  That year the Mets were bad, and the Yankees were good, just like the year before it and the year after and probably this year and, for that matter, every other year in the teams’ histories except for a few freak seasons here and there.  Yet, I remain a Mets fan, and I think most people who are moderate baseball fans should realize that they are more fun to root for than the Yankees are.

Yes, it sounds crazy.  I just said it myself; the Mets are pretty bad.  Understand that it’s okay that they don’t win all the time.  I don’t think baseball is about winning.  If your team wins consistently, it’s boring, and so are you.  Baseball is an inherently dull sport.  It involves a lot of waiting for a man to hit a small object with a stick and then run around in circles.  If this alone spells excitement, seek help.  What the game needs is an interesting team to spice it up.  The fact that the Mets are horrible makes them much more interesting than the Yankees.  Why would anyone watch the Bronx Bombers all the time?  You know they’re just going to win.  They have a lot of money, and they use it wisely.  Now, the Mets, on the other hand, have a lot of money, but also, seemingly, the Hand of Midas.  And I don’t mean that in a positive sense, I mean it in the sense that Midas was cursed.  With few exceptions, their newly acquired players fail to meet expectations, or they completely lose their old abilities.  So, why would anyone be a Mets fan?  Met fans can handle the ridicule and torment for that one rare gem of a game when everything goes perfectly.  Every time the Mets win a game in a slow season it feels like they have just won the World Series.  Mets fans are excited when their team wins!  Yankee fans just nod after nine good innings.  They saw it coming.  The only series that seems like the World Series for them is, well, the World Series.  Fans can either be blandly, continuously content with the monotonous wins of the Yankees, or they can be occasionally elated with the Mets.  With baseball, patience is a virtue. 

The Mets are also better because their games are more than just a sporting event. The Mets are funny.  Met games may not be the father of reality television, but I like to think that they’re at least a second uncle.  Some games seem like a soap opera, with the commentators’ very witty banter about the Mets, the away team, the fans, and often totally unrelated subjects like politics and pop culture.  Even the team’s name is funny.  Who came up with that?  Their mascot is enjoyably goofy (Mr. Met, a man with a giant baseball for a head) and their song is catchy ("Meet the Mets, meet the Mets, step right up and greet the Mets…").  Met games can seem more like "The Muppet Show" or an off-Broadway play than a baseball game if you’re in the right mood, regardless of whether the team actually wins or not.  The same is hardly true with the Yankees.

I’m not saying everyone should be a Mets fan.  People who don’t actually watch baseball frequently and just want a good team to support would do well to choose the Yankees.  Plopping one of those arrogant logos on one’s attire is easy to defend ("Hey, the Yankees are good!  I have books full of statistics to support this!") and helps the "fans" fit in with the millions of drones just like them.  And for sports nuts who take baseball really seriously, the Mets are not a good team to support.  They can cause severe emotional and psychological pain for the unwary.  But a lot of people are definitely suited for a life of cheering on the Mets.  These people are just moderate fans, who certainly don’t care if they miss some or most of the games.  They are prepared to deal with a few put-downs.  They consider themselves pretty smart, and they like to laugh.  They can name the major players on their team, but they couldn’t name you more than a few of the team’s former managers.  If this describes you, buy a Mets hat and take the subway to Shea Stadium as soon as the season starts.  It’ll be good for you.

My mother was a Mets fan, so she really got me into it, but I like to think I’m a fan by choice.  After all, most of my best friends are Yankee fans, but they’ve never been able to convince me to go over to the dark side.  It’s not about their record.  It’s because being a Mets fan is so rewarding and amusing.  They’re the perfect team for the kind of folks I just described.  Unfortunately, a lot of them don’t realize that, and so aren’t getting nearly as much out of baseball as they could.  It’s time to realize the truth.  The Mets are more fun than the Yankees.

 

 

 

 

 

( This is my first post here and I have no idea if it'll be of interest to anyone, and it's probably  way too long.  Feel free to leave me negative comments, just try to make them helpfully negative and not just nasty. ;-) )

 

[EDIT 2]  Well, I didn't expect to get so many interesting responses!  Thank you all for your responses and welcoming me.  The site lists 'similar posts' and this one by "crazyremy" caught my eye:  

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2011/5/12/2168299/10-reasons-the-2011-mets-are-more-entertaining-to-watch-than-the 

  This is a great recent post, and I share all the sentiments expressed therein.  The only interesting Yankee stories this year are about aging stars, Jeter eking out 3,000 hits while hordes of mouth-breathing fans don't realize that they're writing their captain's eulogy early as they argue with the exasperated Mike Francesa's of the world about where Jeter ranks as a shortstop historically..  And Posada's ego swelling while he dwindles as an athlete...   Depressing stuff like that.  

Meanwhile the Mets continue to keep things interesting on every level.  I'm not sure I would have bothered to post this if that Top 10 list was on the front page when I discovered Amazin' Avenue, since it kind of says what I wanted to and better, but I'm glad I posted this.  :)  [ / EDIT 2]

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Very Nice essay,

it reminds of one i wrote about the Mets a couple of months ago. Certainly a very enjoyable and coherent first FanPost(Much more than i would have liked to say for my first fanpost). Welcome to the community!

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Jul 7, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I really don't get the kind of fan who

roots for the team out of the gate, but disappears when the going gets tough, and reappears when it’s all rosey. Not quite bandwagon fans, but…

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 7, 2011 4:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Or one who is only drawn in because of a manager.

I mean, I like Joe Maddon and Manny Acta, but not enough that I’d watch the Rays or Indians because of them.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jul 7, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno if you read the whole post but...

I don’t think I disappeared when the going got tough (the going is ALWAYS tough for this “snakebitten” team, the way I see it), I disappeared when I saw the positive, we-can-come-from-behind-at-any-point-in-any-game culture evaporate and be replaced by a very negative culture in the clubhouse. That was my perception.

On top of this, I started my college education in 2007 and had a little bit more on my mind at that time. ;-)

And I’m not ONLY drawn in because of Terry. Like I said I have been a Mets fan out of the womb. But Terry is a huge factor in, well, turning this team ON again.

by Terry_is_God on Jul 7, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you in the clubhouse often?

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jul 7, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

"That was my perception."

I’m just giving you my personal reading of it, from watching games, reading things. Maybe I’m completely off base. /shrug

by Terry_is_God on Jul 7, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I didn't follow the 2009 Mets

There poor play wasn’t the primary factor- I was dealing with some personal issues and had just moved to a new state and couldn’t afford the MLB package on my cable provider and my focus was directed elsewhere. I have been through plenty of rough times with the sports teams I follow, I’m an Islanders fan for dickey’s sake, and I will follow my teams through thick and thin. I can understand though that sometimes life gets in the way and when your team isn’t winning its that much less motivating.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 7, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me,

it wasn’t even the winning, really.

what was the mets record last year at this time? 47/38
This year we sit at 45/42.
 Reyes/Davis/Wright aren’t here for now. I don’t think we’ll ever see Davis this season, maybe no Santana, maybe a rusty, vulnerable Santana.
Our next 7 games will be played against All Star caliber starters. We’re probably not ever going to catch the Braves, let alone the goddamn Phillies.
Yet somehow I still feel a lot more excitement and hope for this team than I did last year. They’re over-performing. And even if they end up failing horribly, I think I could feel pretty good about the future at the end of this year. :)

by Terry_is_God on Jul 7, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree

The bottom line is that baseball is entertainment. I can be entertained by watching players I like performing well, like this year with Reyes and Beltran, even if my team isn’t winning. Maybe the professional teams I have followed have forced me to find entertainment and enjoyment in losing seasons, and switching allegiences to another team isnt an option. I often wonder what its like to be a yankee fan, and if they ever get bored having a great team year in and year out. The thrill of watching there team win the world series has to have been diluted by now a little at least.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 8, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say you did

I said I don’t get those kinds of fans.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 7, 2011 7:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think you're misinterpreting what he's saying.

Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
You might know me as @_mistermet

by Steve Schreiber on Jul 7, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You said you AREN'T one of those kinds of fans

I am saying that I do not understand those kinds of fans.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 8, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

EVER.

The 2011 New York Mets: Limit the Damage

by CTRefJay on Jul 8, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, read the back and forth

For reals…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 9, 2011 12:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why just on this site?

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jul 9, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

eh? talking about someone? :P~

I think those fans are on par with bandwagon fans.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Jul 8, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

I spend over $200 every year for extra innings just to watch them, then pay the extra sports tier to get SNY, and I watch every game I can, whether they suck or not. Don’t get me wrong, when they get down 7-0, I will turn the game off, but I can’t stand people that call them selves die-hard fans who watch games only when they are winning, or some other BS excuse.

Simple fact you either love the team, or you are a casual fan. If you are a casual fan there is nothing wrong with that, just don’t pretend that you are something more.

by Joshuah on Jul 13, 2011 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

go for mlb.tv

it has got to be cheaper than that. Blackouts only for local games or ESPN/Fox, and those can usually be found on local TV. Don’t know your location of course

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by astromets on Jul 14, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Philadelphia

And I like the HD, and being able to watch on any TV I want. Only games I get blacked out are the phillies games and I just have to watch them on the horrible phillies channels.

by Joshuah on Jul 14, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philadelphia?

I am so sorry

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by astromets on Jul 14, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wrote about my interest in baseball and the Mets for my college application essay.

I also had a long period when I did not follow baseball, from about 2002 until 2010. In my case I stopped following when I was 8 or 9, started again at 16.

by Shevshevy on Jul 7, 2011 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I stopped following baseball after the strike in 94

even when “Big Mac” and Steroid Sosa began their “chase” I barely watched. but that did get me back in the sport a bit. of course, it didn’t help the Mets were just plain bad during the 90s

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Jul 8, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i almost stoped at a point

midway last year, i realy stoped following them closley, although i was still a big met fan. the heartbreak got to me. even i wasn’t following them much, i still hated the yanks and phillies with a passion. i really believe this site helped me come back to the mets.

"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by rexthejet on Jul 7, 2011 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

well it looks like you have us to blame

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Jul 7, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i enjoy being a met fan

it just seems everyone i knew was either a yankee fan or pesimistic

"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by rexthejet on Jul 8, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

you stoped?

you mean you were a miner last year? you weren’t one of those miners that got stuck underground I hope?

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by astromets on Jul 8, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

my problem is in giving all this credit to a manager

when this isn’t even the same team as the past few seasons.

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by astromets on Jul 7, 2011 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Very fair point

Yes. I guess I am really over-emphasizing the importance of the manager.

 But the very act changing managers does seem significant. Could you see Jerry Manuel corralling THIS team, with all the awful injuries and typical Mets nonsense, with all the terrible PR happening now, with all the bad vibes from endless frustration of recent seasons haunting him? Maybe I just don’t like Jerry, sorry (I don’t think all of the players did either) but I think he’d have this team five or ten or fifteen under, and there would be an air of fatalistic acceptance, or at least the appearance of such, among the team.

Now on the other hand… is Terry the only guy in the world who could have gotten things right? Of course not. Who knows, maybe Manager Wally Backman/Bob Melvin/Charlie Sheen finds it prudent to teach Big Pelf not to let valuable infielders seeking pop-ups turn Citi field into a human dramatization of the Large Hadron Collider in action, and the season is completely different? We’ll never know.

Will I like the Mets any less if Terry is replaced, forced out by circumstance, pulls a Riggleman, or anything else? Nope. For the same reason I’m not suddenly watching Pirates games just because Clint Hurdle is even more clutch than Collins.

by Terry_is_God on Jul 7, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree Jerry sucked at in-game management

but I don’t think that Terry is much better. What the job of manager entails: the lineup, a bunt/hit-and-run, who is pitching (aka – bullpen management, most important imo), who is pinch hitting and just making sure everyone knows their role and are used accordingly, so they can prepare accordingly, so the team can be most successful.

I personally think Terry has constructed the lineup more appropriately based on the roster than Jerry would have, but who knows how other lineups might function.

Our bullpen has been our biggest problem all season long, and Terry often makes head-scratching decisions when it comes to the pen.

Willie Harris is like Alex Cora II, getting the important PH at-bats despite being a small, slap hitter.

I feel I can say with good confidence that the key pieces (Jose, Beltran, Ike early, the SP for awhile now) would be performing about the same as they have been regardless of T or J, and it’s their performances that have been the driving force in making us this competitive. As for the role of the other players, Jerry made everyones role known, just too often he spoke through the papers and too often didn’t stick to what he said. It would be pretty hard for a manager to be as bad as Jerry was at this.

Yeah, this team is a lot more fun to watch, but that is because we have less garbage sinking the life out of us – Francoeur, Cora, Castillo, LOLlie, Maine, Barajas, Dessens, Nieve. This team has a few fun players that last year’s team lost due to injury – a fully healthy Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran (imagine this version in RF all year last year, we wouldn’t fall so hard), and the fun to root for Danny “Irish Hammer” Murphy (!).

I am not advocating #fireterrycollins or anything, but I would someday like a manager that could manage a bullpen, now that would be a sight to see.

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Jul 7, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you-

Very interesting comments, I don’t really disagree with any of that.

  In fact I never saw Terry being a guy to take the Mets to the World Series if they become contenders any time soon.
 Regardless TC just strikes me as a fantastic choice for the purpose of succeeding Jerry and sweeping away the negative energy from last year and the year before and..

Good point about the bullpen management— most of Terry’s headscratchers don’t bother me and more than once they seem to have contributed to winning ballgames. But the bullpen headscratchers have been more troubling..

And yeah we have less garbage but the team is still tainted by it. I don’t know exactly what turds are still lurking on our payroll because I don’t like to think about it, haha. Bay’s slump may have been even worse with Jerry or someone else. KRod is still a taint in the back of my mind despite performing well, but I think Terry has done a pretty good job of managing that awkwardness. Plus he’s yet to stumble or chafe with the media at all despite the intensity of NYC, legal/financial nightmares etc. He’s classy and direct and I just like him. But I will try to keep his role in perspective.

 You may be right about the key pieces performing about the same regardless, although I think booting Jerry and replacing him with a very different sort of manager, a very determined and seasoned baseball guy, set the stage for everyone to step it up. Beltran is smiling this season and I’m not sure it’s solely because he’s a healthy All Star.
  Just the intangibles, yeah… but I think it’s worth considering.

by Terry_is_God on Jul 7, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Willie Harris has a hell of a lot more power than Cora

and versatility. I agree, though, that using him as the ‘designated PH’ is not using him properly. He’s a back-up outfielder who is relatively defensively oriented. Hairston should be getting a lot more of those PH calls.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 8, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

career ISO/SLG

Willie – 0.111/0.351
Cora – 0.095/0.339

not a hell of a lot more power. and his 0.074 ISO this year is barely better than Cora’s 0.071 as a Met last year

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by astromets on Jul 8, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

he is already worth -0.5 fWAR, which is worse than Cora had in his Met career. Cora had +0.1 WAR in ’09 and -0.4 WAR in half a Mets season in 2010

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by astromets on Jul 8, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and since you asked about our minors system

it was very barren for a while, lacking in actual prospects at the high levels (this is only now getting a little better), lacking in high impact prospects (same thing), rushing many young prospects into failure and setback (ex, Juan Lageres one of the few to recover a couple years later), lacking in pitching prospects (Niese was the good one, no one gave Dillon Gee much of a shot to have this impact, if any), and even lacking in the filler guys who can come up and offer replacement level production when someone goes down for a short period. Under Omar, it will have produced numerous bench/role players and possibly a couple of starting-worthy players in 6 drafts (like 250-300 players I guess?), which I guess is not terrible, but we have the resources ($$) to have done better. Hopefully, Sandy & his boys will show us how good farms are created.

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by astromets on Jul 7, 2011 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Really interesting

Thank you for this, I’m not smart enough about baseball to follow how the minors system works and how it’s doing so I appreciate the assessment.

by Terry_is_God on Jul 7, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

im sure you are

and this site has daily updates on how our minor leaguers are doing. im kinda addicted to the Mets so i check daily

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by astromets on Jul 7, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find this annoying.

People’s attention to sport waxes and wanes, depending on what’s going on in their lives, sure. But to try to pretty up the fact that you couldn’t muster any love for a team coping with defeat, injuries, a not-so-smart GM and an utter asshole of a manager that I suspect a lot of them hated playing for; to pretend that your lack of fealty was the players’ fault, that the team didn’t deserve your attention – well, really, it makes you kind of an ass. Reyes was still doing everything he could, when he was on the field, to win. Beltran was suffering real pain to try to keep playing, for those fans who were still paying attention. It was written all over Wright’s face, the misery that playing through that time was for him. But it wasn’t much fun for you, so you bailed.

I’m not saying anybody needs to keep paying attention during the bad times. I suspect, in fact, that it may be a sign of better mental health not to. But don’t pretend it’s about them and not you, or suggest that those guys didn’t deserve the same fan support then that they deserve this year, just because the fates are laying the cards a little differently now and you’re finding it fun. You’re a fair-weather fan, and hauling out an old essay in which you had some fun playing devil’s advocate doesn’t change that. Just admit it.

by SuperT on Jul 7, 2011 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Sorry

I won’t admit I’m a fair-weather fan, because… well I’ll just admit it. The real main reason I couldn’t follow them so closely was being in college (in Los Angeles, btw, no chance to actually go to any games or see local media— didn’t know about the great online fanbase at that time) and dealing with a lot of personal issues including/related to clinical depression.

Watching those seasons while on antidepressants would surely have increased my risk of suicide.

To everything else though, there’s a lot of truth in your assessment of things I guess. I certainly didn’t mean to suggest they didn’t deserve fan support– I wish I had the guts to stick with them and the ability to go to the games. So a lot of this is just my own personal rationalization for it, I guess.

So thank you for your venomous but truthful comment.

“All cruel people describe themselves as paragons of frankness.” – Tennessee Williams

by Terry_is_God on Jul 7, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry about the venomousness, lol

I’m with you on the difficulty, I’m on the west coast, and until mlb.tv came into my life, I couldn’t follow them as well as I would have liked.

Anyway, sorry to seem harsh – I just really don’t like that on top of the fact that they had to suffer through such a shit situation for a significant portion of their very short careers, those careers will be forever tainted by that period, when they couldn’t do a goddamn thing about it but give it everything they had, which, it looked like to me, they did. I can’t see them blamed without pushing back.

by SuperT on Jul 7, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry to be sensitive too. . . I'm a borderline headcase like Big Pelf D:

I never felt like they weren’t doing the best they could, y’know? I have enormous respect for the players, some more than others— the ones you mentioned, Reyes, Wright, and especially Beltran, who gets a bad rap* are some of the guys I always thought were stand-up guys. I know what you mean about it being written all over Wright’s face… & if I was a fair-weather fan I don’t think I’d have so much empathy for that pain. I guess it kinda drove me away for a while.

Honestly I appreciate the venom, you just let me think about this all in a different way. :) worth a few moments of feeling like an asshat.

 *I know I mentioned the ‘06 NLCS as a bad turning point, but I do NOT blame Carlos for that final out… I think in THAT situation, for an umpire with a shred of humanity lol, any 0 -2 that isn’t a 100% obvious strike should become ball one. But I’m just a romantic, and I haven’t seen that at-bat in years. ;)

by Terry_is_God on Jul 7, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you seem like a good guy

and you’re a sensible non-Beltran hater, so that speaks well of you. I expect you’ll like it around here.

by SuperT on Jul 8, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

was going to say that was harsh lol

i think if someone is willing to come back now or last year, when we still suck but aren’t being led by incompetent people, they aren’t fair weather fans – they are just fans who couldn’t stand the incompetence

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Jul 8, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Otherwise known as

The 2011 New York Mets: Please be Patient while we get our shit together

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Jul 8, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sign spotted at Citi field:

“Please forgive our mess while we renovate to better serve you.”

by Terry_is_God on Jul 8, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

It sums up my feelings about the franchise in a snapshot, along with what I considered Alderson’s task. It hasn’t exactly gone according to my expectations, but the result has somehow turned out the same.

The 2011 New York Mets: Limit the Damage

by CTRefJay on Jul 8, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you for the most part terry-is-god

I watch baseball, and still follow the Mets (and had my passion for this team re-ignited thanks to AA) because of their nail-biting entertainment value. would it be nice if they won more? of course.
but, what would be the fun if you knew the outcome ?

to some degree the manager does make the game better to watch, but its really up to the players to play. I was completely turned off by the clown, Manuel and the passionless Randolph, but more so by the former inept front offices. but, I still watched the games and still talked about them with friends, family and fellow Mets fans.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Jul 8, 2011 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

"but, what would be the fun if you knew the outcome ?"

^ that’s a main point of that high school essay, my argument against supporting the yankees. :-) Nail-biting entertainment value is exactly what I like so much about Mets-dom.

by Terry_is_God on Jul 8, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

OP UPDATE'd slightly

In which I recommend this post and agree with its theses.

by Terry_is_God on Jul 9, 2011 1:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Where's Donald

when you need him….money, money,, money…

by CoachKennyBuford on Jul 10, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Donald Trump?

I’d rather see the team dissolved.

"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 10, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

Horrible, horrible idea.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Jul 10, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed! each time someone brings up "The Donald" I wretch

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Jul 14, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Helllll Fing NO

Granted I was born in the 1984, the man was responsible for destroying the United States Football League in the 80s. Trump would be worse than Wilpon because he will make this ego the team’s image. I rather see the team contracted than Trump as owner.

Insert witty signature here

by BlueChill on Jul 11, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean the man who singehandedly bankrupted the USFL?

No thanks. I’ll take the Wilpons any day.

Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.

by meigs1414 on Jul 11, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Mets have almost always been fun to watch.

Even during The Dark Ages (1977-1983), it was a pleasure to be a fan of the little engine that, mostly, couldn’t.

Game threads are getting harder and harder to enjoy these days, though. Way too many people whining “just shoot me,” post after post.

Dude. I would if I could.

by Kepler on Jul 11, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

right there with you.

by SuperT on Jul 11, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

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