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Marlins 7, Mets 3: Home Is Where the Barf Is

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It's no news to Mets fans that the Marlins have been Mike Pelfrey's bete noire (poisson noire?). He has not beaten them since his major league debut back in 2006, when he squeezed out five innings in a blowout victory. Two weekends ago, he gave up four runs and two longballs over six innings in Miami, which still makes it one of his better performances against the team in recent years. In his previous start against Florida on May 16, he gave up just one run over seven innings, in a game the Mets eventually lost in as infuriating fashion as any I've ever seen. (Don't look it up, trust me.) Other than this, his history against the Fish is ugly, with a capital yuck.

Tonight's performance existed about in the middle of Pelfrey's traditional outings against the Marlins, and in line with his starts this year in general. In a word, frustrating. He did not benefit from great defense in the first inning, when Omar Infante (owner of a lifetime batting average vs. Pelfrey that is still being calculated by a supercomputer) smashed a booming one-out hit high off the left field fence. It could have gone for a double if played correctly. Unfortunately, Jason Bay ran back as if he could catch the ball, only to watch it bounce over his head. Angel Pagan took his sweet time backing up the play, which both allowed Infante to cruise to third with a triple and score shortly thereafter on a Gaby Sanchez sac fly to shallow right. (A better throw may have had a chance to get Infante at the plate, but The Duda does not abide the cutoff man.)

In the third, after getting the first two outs with ease, Pelfrey ceded three straight singles to Emilio Bonifacio, Infante, and Sanchez to plate another run, throwing 27 pitches in the process. The fourth began inauspiciously with a leadoff single by Logan Morrison, then continued in that vein when David Wright sidearmed a grounder from Stanton into the outfield, giving the runners a free pass to second and third. A sac fly from Petersen brought in a run to make the score 3-0 in favor of Florida.

Pelfrey worked around baserunners in the fifth and sixth to limit the damage there, which meant he left with a quality start under his belt. To anyone who watched the game, however, Pelfrey's start had the quality of a gift bought at the airport, satisfying no one.

Meanwhile, for the disturbing majority of this game, his teammates continued their punchless post-Beltran offense (or lack thereof). The Mets managed a hit apiece in each of the first three innings against Javier Vazquez, each of them coming with two outs, each a single. The hardest hit ball, ironically, was from Pelfrey, who drilled a ball to straight-away center field in the second inning. It very nearly flew over Petersen's head before the center fielder tracked it down. Horseshoes and hand grenades, as they say.

The Mets finally got on the board with a home run by (are you sitting down?) Jason Bay, who blasted a solo shot to the bullpen with one out in the fourth. Most homers at CitiField are hit pretty hard, but this one more than most, an opposite field shot some 415 feet to right-center. However, it was all the Mets could muster against Vazquez. Jose Reyes hit a one-out double in the fifth, but when he tried to score on a Justin Turner single, he was gunned down at the plate by a mile, thanks to a perfect throw from Stanton. (On Twitter, Kevin Burkhardt called it "an abosolute hose." I have never heard that term applied to a strong outfield throw. Just thought that should be preserved for posterity.)

After the sixth passed in listless 1-2-3 fashion, Vazquez received what Ron Darling called "the dreaded handshake," despite owning a reasonable pitch count. He talked himself into getting another inning and rewarded this faith by setting the Mets down in order yet again, recording his first two Ks of the evening along the way. A pitcher who can not strike out anyone in the first six innings should probably be touched up for far more than one run. The Mets' bats did not see it this way.

The Marlins were held at bay in the seventh by Ryota Igarashi and in the eighth and ninth by Manny Acosta, whose brand new billowing 'fro inspired the SNY booth to wonder which similarly coiffed 70s player he most resembled. (Oscar Gamble? Jose Cardenal?) Acosta's hitless two innings were particularly impressive, as he had to negotiate around a Jose Reyes throwing error in the top of the ninth.

It looked like his efforts would all be for nought as the Mets were lulled to sleep in their half of the eighth by Edward Mujica, The ninth began no better when David Wright led off against closer Eduardo Nunez by hitting a sizzling ground ball that Hanley Ramirez somehow snared. (I think this is the only remotely difficult play that Ramirez has ever made.) Angel Pagan lined a single over second base that Stanton fielded rather lazily. This inspired Pagan to try and take second on an arm that had thrown out Reyes easily back in the fifth. (You could actually hear the crowd gasp as he did it.) Somehow, Pagan beat it by the slimmest of margins and was not forced to pay for his crimes.

For some reason, Bay followed this sudden turn of good luck by swinging at the very first pitch, sending an easy grounder to third and bringing the Mets down to their last out. Lucas Duda made the most of it by slamming a 95 mph Nunez fastball to center field for a game-tying homer.

In the top of the tenth, the Mets turned to Jason Isringhausen, but he gave up one-out singles to Sanchez and Ramirez. He also gave up a single to Dewayne Wise, but looked to catch a break when he took an enormous turn toward second. Murphy fielded a cutoff throw from Duda, but hesitated in throwing to Turner covering first, and Wise was inexplicably allowed to scramble safely back to first. Had the Mets accepted this gift, they would have been able to walk the dangerous Mike Stanton. Instead, they were forced to pitch to him with the bases loaded and one out, and he made them pay by clubbing a grand slam to left field.

Of course, Izzy let Stanton work a full count and hung an absolute meatball to him, but Murphy is unquestionably the goat in this scenario. Throw to first right away, Wise is out, Stanton is walked. Would Izzy have been able to get the next batter? We would have found out, had the relay throw been fielded by a halfway competent fielder.

Stunned, the Mets went quietly against Burke Badenhop in the bottom of the 10th. Yes, the Mets are back to just one game over .500, are a completely abhorrent 5 games under .500 at CitiField, have totally forgotten how to field baseballs (if they ever knew), completely threw away a thrilling ninth inning comeback for the second game in a row, and look like a shell of the team that slapped around the Reds last week. But hey, look at this time lapse photo of the Milky Way streaking across the sky, Kinda makes baseball, and everything else, seem insignificant, doesn't it? And if you look closely, you can see the light from the Mets' last home series win finally reach the Earth.

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SB Nation Coverage

* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* Fish Stripes Gamethread

Win Probability Added

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Big winners: Lucas Duda, +42.0%, Manny Acosta, +3.5%
Big losers: Jason Isringhausen, -48.6, Justin Turner, -11.9%
Teh aw3s0mest play: Lucas Duda two-run homer, bottom of the ninth, +48.9%
Teh sux0rest play: Miek Stanton grand slam, top of 10th, -26.7%
Total pitcher WPA: -52.6%
Total batter WPA: +2.6%
GWRBI!:Mike Stanton granny

Game Thread Roll Call

Nice job by freakystyley; their effort in the game thread embiggens us all.

Num Name # of Posts
1 freakystyley 175
2 fxcarden 103
3 NetsMets4Life 75
4 aparkermarshall 71
5 Steve Schreiber 69
6 Spike Davis 63
7 astromets 57
8 TKFJ 54
9 graves9 46
10 theamato 46

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Nice job by freakystyley!

i’m glad u represent this game in the anals of history

"this is not live." - Lindsey Nelson

by MilnerTime on Aug 1, 2011 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

again, we need an algorythm to subtract the

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

posts from his totals.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Aug 2, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

and the stupid spiderman pics he puts up

and the countless imbeclic comments he makes. He is far more useless than Willie Harris could ever dream of being.

by graves9 on Aug 2, 2011 9:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hey Marlins

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Aug 1, 2011 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

There is no word in the dictionary that can describe how much I hate the Marlins

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on Aug 1, 2011 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

It's was not a good play by Murphy but you can't blame him for Izzy throwing meatballs.

It doesn’t matter who was up there, if he throws that pitch, it’s gone.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 1, 2011 10:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes Izzy may have given up runs anyway

But Stanton doesn’t get to swing the bat there. They walk him.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 1, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a way better chance of getting Bryan Petersen out than Stanton

and people wouldn’t be harping on Murphy if he didn’t have the habit of making really stupid plays

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on Aug 1, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terry was defending Murphy in the post-game Q&A

I don’t know why, I half-expected one of his trademark rants.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 1, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throwing the guy under the bus does no good

Jerry pulled shit like that. Terry protecting Murph is why Terry is so well liked by his players.

by graves9 on Aug 1, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but there comes a point of suckitude when he needs to throw them all under a bus and himself after them

He did that before and they started playing better. I think they’re due for another ass-whuppin.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 1, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

They just came off a 6-4 road trip

no need to overact. I’m sure he’ll call Murph into his office today or tomorrow and try and get through to him.

by graves9 on Aug 1, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess, but...

Even the wins on the road trip were full of shoddy defense, shoddy running, etc. If I were Terry I’d be pretty hot right now.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 1, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throwing players under the bus

is a easy way to lose the team. Terry should keep doing what he’s doing.

by graves9 on Aug 1, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am a huge proponent of Terry being Terry, obviously

and I’m not even talking about throwing individual players under the bus. That rant I’m talking about, if I remember correctly it was applied across the board, and rightly so, and he was self-deprecating as well.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 1, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can only rant so many times

before it loses meaning and the team tunes him out.

by graves9 on Aug 1, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know... see my response to Steve Schreiber just below

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 1, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with this.

I don’t think this does anything to help.

Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 1, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's a card in Terry's hand that needs to be played wisely and sparingly

and it’s a damn good thing I’m not him, I guess!

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 1, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup...wisely and sparingly.

This is a bad loss but coming off a 6-4 roadtrip is probably not the wisest time to blow up.

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You might know me as mistermet.

by Steve Schreiber on Aug 2, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was just pissed off last night.

and I could only watch the end of the game, I can only imagine how anyone who watched the whole thing felt…

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 2, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

If it wasn’t every freaking day with him (baserunning, defense, etc) there would be much less talk about that play

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 1, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Murphy wouldn’t have even been in the situation if Izzy wasn’t giving up hits left and right. Murphy made a bad play, but in the grand scheme of things, it was a drop in the bucket of the inning that lost the game.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

But you can't just give him a pass

Almost every day he does something stupid, like little league stupid, and it’s gotten real old real fast.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 2, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

He gives away Mets outs on the bases all the time and give opponents outs and bases on defense all the time. All that crap eventually beats you. His baseball instincts are worse than Pagan’s in my opinion. He’s just barely worth his bat.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 2, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's amazing how quick people are to through out objectivity.

He’s been worth 3 WAR this season. That’s not someone who just barely gets by because of his bat. In fact his been worth 0.5 Baserunning Runs and 3.6 Fielding Runs (and while 1 season’s worth of defensive data can be deceiving, he’s been worth a positive net total for his career in the field).

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

Murph is not this team’s problem during this losing streak.

by David G on Aug 2, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay but I'm tired of the little league bull shit mistakes

he makes on a daily basis. I’m sure most of his fielding was from 3b that’s the only place he’s even looked halfway comptent. He’s a disaster at first with throwing to the wrong base, being out of postion on cut offs, not covering bases, etc.

Can we just get someone who knows what the hell to do on a baseball field and not just in the batters box?

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 2, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

2011 UZR/150

1B: 3.5 (8.7 in 2009)
2B: 13.4
3B: 3.8

And frankly, even if he was bad in the field, if he made up for it with his bat, why would it matter?

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

So how do those stats take into account tonight's play?

Or the time he didn’t trail the runner and cover second? Or the time he was late getting to the infield and couldn’t get the cut off throw home and the runnner advanced? Or the time he cut off the throw home when no one wanted him to?

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 2, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

So of the 214 plays Murphy has made in the field this season, 5 were observably bad.

That’s about 2.34% of his total plays. It’s ridiculous to label him a terrible defender based on that (especially when UZR says he’s a positive contributer in the field). Even if we say he’s had twice as many observably bad plays (10), that’s still only 5% of his total plays.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's 5 off the top of my head that I remember

He’s obviously a better fielder than I’m giving him credit but he still leads the league in WTF/9.

When I see a professional baseball player doing things (mental not physical) that got me yelled at in Freshman HS baseball I just have to shake my head.

Most of the problems I have with him are not the physical mistakes it’s the boneheaded mental mistakes.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 2, 2011 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have no problem when you say he is a good fielder because of his positive net total for his career in the infield, but quoting UZR/150 based on less than a full season when you know it's a short sample is not advised.

And that is misleading because some extreme numbers tend to smooth out on a larger sample. He is not a +13 fielder like UZR/150 implies.

Saying the loss was Izzy or Murphy’s fault is besides the point. The result of this game doesn’t matter as much as knowing what Murphy can do in the field going forward.
Murphy is an aggressive fielder who always tries to get the lead runner, while normally a fielder would choose to get the safer out. This may net a higher payout but is also has a higher error risk. Looking ahead, the good thing is that his “errors” are easier to correct than if he lacked range. This year, he had to rotate between some positions because of need (injuries), but it would be nice if he could settle in 2B and reduce his errors as he gets used the the position.

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by Michkin on Aug 2, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

what are you, some kind of saber nut ?

it is way more fun to say FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Aug 2, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

The use of his UZR/150 was just in response to the use of an even smaller sample size (the 5 or so observably bad plays that blains can recall).

Now I probably should have said that Murphy’s probably not as good as UZR says at 2B or 3B, but he probably is as good as it says at 1B. Anyway, like you said, the point is that he is a positive net contributer in the field.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

*throw

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

But you can't turn a blind eye with Wright either

you can’t say Murph cost us the game. If he makes the 2nd out we don’t know that we would’ve gotten out of the inning. That’s the same as saying Wright’s error cost us the game with that 1 run. You can’t assume. Murph is Murph. If ike was healthy he wouldn’t be as exposed. We have no other options. This team has flaws Pagan makes the same boneheaded mistakes on the pathes. Down by to trying to stretch a single into a double. He’s very lucky he was barely safe. That’s an even dumber move I think

by TheKid08 on Aug 2, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Needed this game to pick up ground on ATL

Murph does it again. Can’t get on him to much it’s expected he’s learning on the job. We will have to endure this next yr with him at second with a whole bunch of “new” hiccups. But I can live with his defense with his offense at 2nd and a healthy Ike at first. Hopefully Ike doesn’t have a lost yr next yr with missing almost a whole year.

by TheKid08 on Aug 1, 2011 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Well if we put his offense at second with a pre-injury Ike

I’ll take that all day. Like I said he’s going to have more miscues next year learning yet another position on the job at second.

by TheKid08 on Aug 1, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Verlander

another nono in the works?

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Aug 1, 2011 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Bet you he doesn't get it

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 1, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And why does it seem like whenever the Mets do this

they never finish the job. Seems like they are never able to capitalize on the situation.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 1, 2011 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

ah, so you might think

it's realy all a plan, to move the team to miami

"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by rexthejet on Aug 1, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He needs a designater runner too

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 1, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

murphy's resume:

Have a good bat, feilding is not my strong suit. have you ever heard of roger dorn?

"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by rexthejet on Aug 1, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except he's not bad in the field.

We have objective evidence to support that he’s not.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 1, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

i don’t know about his stats, but can we agree he is not a great fielder? am i wrong?

"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by rexthejet on Aug 1, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

this one time, just this one time.

i’m going to invoke old-school baseball and say that Murphy has no “baseball IQ.” he is simply not smart. it doesn’t matter that the metrics like him. he is incompetent out there.

by theamato on Aug 1, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean all the times he makes boneheaded decisions?

The kind that would get you yelled at in my rec softball league? The kind that aren’t technically errors? That he makes virutally every day? You mean those?

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 1, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that

I believe Murphy’s bat should keep him in the lineup. I was merely offering my 2 cents on why Murphy is a liability on the field, despite what the metrics say.

by theamato on Aug 1, 2011 11:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

but he is

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 2, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

worst part: revisionist fatscessa gets to say "i told u so"

after murph shut his hole by hitting this year

"this is not live." - Lindsey Nelson

by MilnerTime on Aug 1, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Murphy would actually be an interesting trade candidate.

the metrics like his infield defense and he can slide around there. his bat plays at any position and he is still very cost controlled.

normally, I would say that Mets should keep him — I mean, who wouldn’t like a player like that? but Murphy’s a man without a position on the Mets once Ike gets back next year.(Terry will never play him at 2B in my estimation). even if we hedge our bets against Ike coming back healthy NEXT year, Duda can play 1B and the Mets have a glut of outfielders to try out in RF.

a Murphy trade, if it can bring back real value, would not be a bad move. it’s something to consider, at least.

by theamato on Aug 1, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

traid

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Aug 1, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not that he can't, it's just that I think Terry will not play him.

Terry likes Turner at 2B and does not seem inclined to give Murph shots there. Even on Turner’s days off, he plays Willie Harris when he could be playing a Murphy at 2B, Duda at 1B, and Pridie in RF (if he really wants a lefties in the lineup).

by theamato on Aug 1, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terry was playing him everyday at second before Ike went down

He had 20+ starts at second and was playing competant defense there.

by graves9 on Aug 1, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was only playing him there because Turner hadn't "established himself" at 2B

whether or not you like Turner (I don’t really), Terry definitely does. and it shows, when he opts to play Willie Harris at 2B instead of shifting Murphy over there, Duda to 1B, and playing the Hairston or Pridie in RF.

by theamato on Aug 1, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

I think he wants to get Willie in the line up at times because he likes him, and he wants Duda to get comfortable in RF. He has no future there, so with Beltran gone why bother is probably Terry’s thinking. I don’t doubt that he likes Turner, but it’s clear that he’s a big Murphy fan. .

by graves9 on Aug 1, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couple positives

HR’s from Bay and Duda should tell them they can hit HR’s in this park. Pelf pitching good. Iggy has been reallly good since being recalled.

by TheKid08 on Aug 1, 2011 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

what?

Bay hitting his 7th homer of the season tells you that he can hit homers in this park?

"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by rexthejet on Aug 1, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bay hit some homers at Citi last year and this

and it didn’t change a thing and this likely won’t either. I think Duda is gonna hit plenty of homers the rest of the year. I think he’ll finish with around fifteen homersthis year.

by graves9 on Aug 1, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

no way. not fifteen.

8 tops i say

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Aug 1, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just saying it should give Duda confidence that he can play.

NY is not the place to doubt yourself. Bay I dunno, he can’t blame the stadium for his pathetic power. He sees he can hit here. Really don’t understand it. Why do guys wait so long to figure things out mechanically. Why did it take Wright alomost a year and a half to realize what everyone sees that he’s standing to far from the plate. Why don’t the Mets have Bay’s former hitting coach in Pitt look at film with him and work on what worked? Protect your assets and try to fix what’s wrong. Don’t just live with it and maybe fix it next year if a new batting coach gets here. Be proactive.

by TheKid08 on Aug 1, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duda had a monster July

I think that helped his confidence a ton already. That is not to suggest that huge homer didn’t help. Duda it seems the more comfortable he gets the better he gets.

by graves9 on Aug 1, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That WPA graphic is painful

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 1, 2011 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

If this wasn't the worst loss of the season it's up there

I’d say the KRod blown save against the Braves on the road in June was the worst loss, but tonight’s is a close one. Pelf was not bad at all tonight. Acosta and Iggy were shockingly good , and would have been heroes if the Mets could have pulled the game out. Iggy is starting to look like a competent reliever now that he’s using his splitter which even makes his fastball more effective. It has to be a little demoralizing to come back to back days in the ninth and have the bullpen blow both games. Izzy’s smoke and mirrors is bound to wear out , and he wasn’t any good tonight, but he really was screwed by yet another Murphy brain fart. The kid is a hell of a hitter, but is so clueless on the fundamental parts of the game. It seems like every one of his mistakes whether it’s bunting wrisp or running the bases stupidity or being clueless on the defensive end at times ends up costing the teams games. He has won many more with his bat this year, but it’s very frustrating to see. He is not a raw 21 year old, but he plays the game like he is at times. Bobby O called his play today a high school play and he’s right. If he makes the right play Izzy walks Stanton and pitches to a far inferior hitter, and while we’ll never know what would have happened it would have been nice to see. The teams play at home continues to be unacceptable.

by graves9 on Aug 1, 2011 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I really hope that once Izzy gets his 300th save

They give Parnell/Beato chances to close games. Otherwise, i’m going to be pissed.

Last year, instead of giving Parnell chances to close, our asshat of a manager decided he wanted to get Takahashi a bigger contract instead.

Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!

by TWilliAM on Aug 1, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that pissed me off

Everyone knew Taka was likely a goner, and Terry still went to him time after time over Parnell. I hope Terry doesn’t do the same after Izzy gets his 300th save.

by graves9 on Aug 1, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to be a Duda doubter but I have repented and changed my ways.

he’s such a big, lovable guy — good for him that he got a curtain call. boggles me how he “lacks confidence” when he clearly has the talent to succeed. I hope he hits many, many more shots like that for the Mets.

by theamato on Aug 1, 2011 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Last year I thought he could be a nice bench player

I’m starting to think he could be a everyday player that will hit 25+ homers. I am worried about his defense in Rf, but so far he’s looked competant out there.

by graves9 on Aug 1, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Pelfrey's start had the quality of a gift bought at the airport, satisfying no one."

Nice piece of writing there Matt. rec’d

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Aug 1, 2011 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Aye, this is a wonderful piece. Makes this game easier to swallow.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 2, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Missed the game today

And because it is MLB I cannot find video highlights anywhere. (if someone can explain why that is good marketing I would love to hear it). Can anyone provide a link for duda s homerun in the 9th, I would love to see it

by Bruce Wayne on Aug 1, 2011 11:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Go to Mets.com's

video “top plays” section.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 2, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has any entity ever done a study of the results of using your closer late in a tie game?

Maybe my memory is getting a little foggy but, it seems like this move never turns out well….

Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.

by snibbodmot on Aug 1, 2011 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Typically the closer is the best pitcher in the pen.

It’s usually good process to use your best players.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

In the Mets case though

the “closer” is really not their best pitcher in the pen. But with Izzy and Parnell both struggling at the same time, what else can they do?

by David G on Aug 2, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I agree with that,

it just seems that the actual results are poor, from Benitez to Franco to K-Rod…

Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.

by snibbodmot on Aug 2, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're probably right

But, I AM a Mets fan after all…

Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.

by snibbodmot on Aug 2, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

So how many "heartbreaking" losses is that for the Mets this year?

10? 20? I wish I had a dollar for everytime they said “heart-breaking” or “gut-wrenching” on SNY this year.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 1, 2011 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

No kidding. lots of 'ones that got away'

Actually it’s more encouraging than 10 or 20 more blow-out losses, I guess…

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 1, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this loss has you down

Think how you would feel right now if you were an Astros fan.

Always look on the bright side!

Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!

by TWilliAM on Aug 1, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at this game and it was not fun at all.

The Duda home run was a great high point, and I was freaking out in excitement, but the rest sucked. When Stanton came up with the bases loaded I knew that he was gonna hit a grand slam. I just fucking knew it.
Also, the ending of this game proves that Beltran left his selfishness with Duda. I was

going to meet a friend who I had not seen since my high school graduation earlier

this year after the game, but I lost her in the post-grand slam dash for the exits

TRAID SELFISH DUDA HE MESSED UP MY LIFE FOR A STAT-WHORING HOMER

by Shevshevy on Aug 1, 2011 11:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Fucking Murphy man. Only Murphy can Murphy a play in which an opposing baserunner Murphies. He makes Angel Pagan’s instincts look like Edgardo Alfonzo’s. He’s killing me. Fucking killing me.

"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."

"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys

by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 2, 2011 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Any Islanders fans out there?

I see you are all freaking out over at the Islanders SBN site, and I’d like to offer some input, but alas, I have the 24 hour waiting period. I have a link someone might want to share over there: here.
The above is a comment from the editor of the Nets’ SBN site. If there is someone on the internets who knows about Barclays Center, it is him. It’s very little news, but promising for Isles fans. Sorry that this is kinda ass backwards.

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-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Aug 2, 2011 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Was it voted down?

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

sucks

"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."

"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys

by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 2, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

The plan was ridiculous. “Hey, we have this suck-hole of an area, why don’t we give it something it doesn’t need in an Independent League ballpark and a casino in Elmont instead of the plan that would not only give the place a cosmetic face-lift, but an economic one as well?”

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

As it should have

you can only milk the tax payers so much.

by graves9 on Aug 2, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would have voted "no" if I could.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently turnout was pretty bad.

And lots of old folks.

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Aug 2, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what they get for having it on a Monday.

But chances are it would have been even worse if more people voted.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

More younger people though, maybe?

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Aug 2, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uh huh.

But that link I shared might be good news for Islanders fans if they would make the trip to Brooklyn, which from reading the comments at the Isles SBN website, looks like something they would absolutely do.

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Aug 2, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

How stupid is it that Leo Nunez is credited with a win for this crap?

And what the hell made him think it was okay to be giving anyone attitude in the dugout after that ninth?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 2, 2011 12:11 AM EDT reply actions  

"How do closers feel about that BS W?"

Couldn’t have said it better myself, Gary.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball Tonight gave xFIP a shutout.

And didn’t completely butcher the reasoning either.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 12:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm shocked

Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.

by Aidan Gibson on Aug 2, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Terry shows a lot of patience

Knows that this is a 162 game season and in most cases losing your temper is counterproductive.

"Its only a game, but it helps teach you about life"

by Seaver73 on Aug 2, 2011 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, and his reputation as a short fuse was one of the few drawbacks I saw repeated in the media when he was taken on

now he is perfect!

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 2, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

this applies in April/May/June

not in August.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Aug 2, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Stanton

He is a beast and a real Mets nemesis a la Chipper Jones. He has hit at least five key home runs against the Mets this season, all in important points

"Its only a game, but it helps teach you about life"

by Seaver73 on Aug 2, 2011 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

He is pretty frightening in that batter's box

He’s like a D lineman playing baseball. Always expect him to crush the ball somewhere.

by David G on Aug 2, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always hated him on a visceral level

no reason to it, other than Met-killing.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 2, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know people want to blame Murph

but Izzy looked like shit tonight. He was not even touching 90. We all know he’s been pretty lucky this year, and is due to get lit up. I bet he would have given up a hit to Peterson anyway. Plus an error by Wright led directly to 1 run, and the misplay by Bay and Pagan not backing up led directly to another. Total team loss tonight when you factor in they couldn’t hit Vazuez. And can we please think about DFA’ing Harris? He’s about 6 for 40 as a pinch hitter, and is batting in high leverage situations every night. Bring up Satin. He may actually put the ball in play with some authority.

by David G on Aug 2, 2011 12:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah an outing like this was inevitable after Izzy had been solid for a while

You don’t expect more from him than what he’s given. also yes, it’s absolutely a team loss.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 2, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

What a shitty shitty game

TRAID TEH CORE

Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.

by Aidan Gibson on Aug 2, 2011 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Time to try to trade Izzy?

Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.

by Aidan Gibson on Aug 2, 2011 1:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Hale had the worst play of the game

sending Reyes there. You have a red hot Murph and Wright coming up, plus a pitcher who’s not striking anyone out on the mound. He’s got to check where Stanton and all the outfielders are playing before the pitch.

by David G on Aug 2, 2011 1:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm sure he does.

I didn’t see it, but assuming it was indeed a bad call, even the best make mistakes from time to time.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 2, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes you have to give the other guys some credit.

Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.

by snibbodmot on Aug 2, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about getting MLB.tv for the last 1-2 months of the season since I've missed most of it

should I just save my 25-50 bucks?

amest I bovvered forsooth?
ARE YOU DISRESPECTING THE HOUSE OF CITI
ARE YOU CALLING REYES A POX RIDDEN WENCH
ARE YOU CALLING DAVID WRIGHT A GOODLY ROTTEN APPLE
CAUSE HE AIN'T EVEN A GOODLY ROTTEN APPLE THOUGH

by Gina on Aug 2, 2011 7:18 AM EDT reply actions  

yes

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Aug 2, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

DEFENSE

I like Duda & Murphy, but will it hurt the defense next year to have those 2 start at RF & 2B? Hope they can hit enough to make up for defensive deficiencies.

by MDMETSFAN on Aug 2, 2011 7:45 AM EDT reply actions  

their defense should improve

if Murph’s defense doesn’t improve after he’s played consistently at one position, then you can really start worrying.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf. "

– Tug McGraw when asked about his preference for grass or astroturf

by Terry_is_God on Aug 2, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

IT'S OVER, has been for awhile, now it's really over

Let’s sit back and enjoy the final weeks of baseball, it will be a long cold winter. Face it, the METS are a 500 team at best, so, we are not gonna catch the Braves or have a miracle season like 1973. Let’s hope Terry and Sandy make th echanges that are needed to make this team a serious contender in 2012. It was a fun ride, but, it’s over.

by PiazzaHOF on Aug 2, 2011 7:55 AM EDT reply actions  

DAVID G

Yeh, Harris should not be the primary left handed pinch hitter. Don’t care that Satin hits righty, he would have to be absolutely awful to be any worse than Harris.

by MDMETSFAN on Aug 2, 2011 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

One thing is for sure

Mets V.2011 are a true Mets team. They make you think miracle one minute and want to give up baseball the next.

by Shivling on Aug 2, 2011 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

so mets V.2011 are like mets V.2010 and like mets V.2009

amest I bovvered forsooth?
ARE YOU DISRESPECTING THE HOUSE OF CITI
ARE YOU CALLING REYES A POX RIDDEN WENCH
ARE YOU CALLING DAVID WRIGHT A GOODLY ROTTEN APPLE
CAUSE HE AIN'T EVEN A GOODLY ROTTEN APPLE THOUGH

by Gina on Aug 2, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Mets V.2008 and Mets V.2007

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Aug 2, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that level of suck.

I’d compare them to mets V.2005. Half of the time there’s some really good baseball and then half of the time they’ll make you want to rip your hair out. The definition of a .500 team is what I’m getting at here.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 2, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could be worse...

We could be Cubs fans.

Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.

by snibbodmot on Aug 2, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

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