"He's cutting his own throat," the player said. "What's his record, six and nine? He's supposed to be the ace of the [bleeping] staff. Why don't you go and win 12 or 13 games?"
One anonymous, unamused Mets teammate of Mike Pelfrey.
This is in response to Pelf, who told Mike Puma of the Post that "It's unrealistic for anybody at the end of last year to come in and say, 'The Mets, this is a one-year thing, next year we're going to win it all,' " Pelfrey said before the Mets' 4-3 loss to the Diamondbacks last night. "It's unrealistic."
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nah it was Jeff Wilpon disgusing himself as a player
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Aug 14, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
spelling FAIL
disguising
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Aug 14, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Bullshit, media-has-nothing-better-to-do, manufactured controversey
Pelfrey is 100% correct.
Anonymous Mets player also needs to learn how baseball works. Pelfrey can’t will himself to win games. Maybe anonymous Mets player should hit some more, so that Pelfrey can win ballgames, if he’s so concerned about Pelf’s W/L record. Mike isn’t helping himself with a 4.something ERA, but he’s had a bunch of no-decisions and/or losses where he pitched well enough to get a win with a little more run support.
Personally, I think anonymous Mets player is bullshit, and made-up. While only 28 or whatever, Pelfrey has a longer Mets tenure than most every other player on the team- everyone besides for David and Jose. Everyone else is a newcomer, and that seems to go against baseball protocol, to bash a teammate when you’re the new guy.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 13, 2011 12:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm inclined to agree that
“anonymous player/executive/scout/general manager/whatever” is usually made up, especially in this situation and it’s probably just Mike Puma inserting his opinion without having to say “in my opinion”. And I also appreciate the fact that Pelfrey is somewhat realistic in his view of the team.
However, it’s probably something that he shouldn’t be saying out loud to reporters, for the sake of his teammates and even possibly the sake of his standing with the team. To me, it comes off as defeatist, considering how most of the players on the club (with Collins included) have been extremely positive all year through the good and bad. Collins said that management will be evaluating the players through the end of the year to see who deserves to stay and who goes and I can’t help but imagine this does nothing positive for Mike’s case to stay.
Now, I don’t necessarily think this, but I could see a scenario where his comment comes off to Collins/Alderson as “I didn’t think we were going to be good anyway so I didn’t put in as much effort as I would’ve if we were a better team”. That’s not an attitude you want on a winning club, especially from the guy who’s easily been your worst starting pitcher all season despite being anointed a leader. But maybe nothing comes of it and maybe it’s just a miscommunication.
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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 13, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's the context of his entire conversation with the journalist?
He very well could have been, “It’s unrealistic [to say we were gonna win it all suddenly after last year] but with the front office Sandy put together, we’re a competative team now, and in another year or two, we’ll be right back where we were in 2006-2008 as the team to beat in the NL East. Probably even better”. Changes the context of everything.
I don’t think Alderson is stupid enough to let Pelfrey go based on, “He was realistic, knowing he’s not on a playoff team”. Guys in lower-key cities/ballclubs, they know they’re not making playoffs, and when they express those sentiments, are not “picked on”. Different words, but saying, “In a few years, we can be competitors” is the same as saying, “We’re not winning it all this year”. I do believe Mr. Francoeur has been on the record saying just that, in KC.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 13, 2011 1:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yup, the context definitely is something to consider.
Like I said…maybe the whole thing was a miscommunication.
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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 13, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly this
However, it’s probably something that he shouldn’t be saying out loud to reporters, for the sake of his teammates and even possibly the sake of his standing with the team. To me, it comes off as defeatist, considering how most of the players on the club (with Collins included) have been extremely positive all year through the good and bad. Collins said that management will be evaluating the players through the end of the year to see who deserves to stay and who goes and I can’t help but imagine this does nothing positive for Mike’s case to stay.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
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It doesn’t matter that Pelfrey is correct; because of his position he simply should not be talking like this on the record to reporters.
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by Terry_is_God on Aug 13, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the player is real
But I think Pelf’s comment might have traveled some distance between what he actually said and what Puma told this anonymous player. “Well, Pelf says you guys were never in it anyway.” It would be child’s play to get a competitive person riled up – if you were trying to, and some “reporters” do, which is why so many players despise the media.
by SuperT on Aug 13, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What player fits the bill for
being vested enough in the Mets’ chances to win in 2011? I get the notion that journeymen/newly acquired guys like Hairston, Harris, or Capuano, for examples, are out, as well as rookies, like Turner or Beato. Doesn’t sound like something David or Jose, the club leaders, would say.
Thole, maybe? I think there might be too much of a pot calling the kettle black situation there. Same with Pagan. Paulino, maybe?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 13, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
My guess
is definitely Turner. He’s been the fiery quote guy all year.
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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Aug 13, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And, who the hell is Justin Turner to to tell Pelfrey to win some [bleeping] games
when he’s hitting .267/.332/.364- with a large chunk of that coming in the couple of weeks after his debut, when he was red hot- and isn’t exactly a Frankie Frisch at second base over there?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 13, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's Harris.
He’s a gritty veteran type. Plus I just don’t like him.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
What does Harris care, though?
He’s a journeyman player who is having a down season that surely means he won’t be coming back in 2011. I don’t see how he has much of a vested interest, you know?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 15, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's because he is, and always will be:
Willie fucking Harris.
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by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Aug 15, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you
And we don’t know who it is. We can say with relative confidence it wasn’t someone like Reyes or Wright, or someone from the pitching staff since they would understand you shouldn’t be judged by wins and losses. Excluding those players, there’s still a lot to choose from. Hopefully, this was made up and it wasn’t anyone at all.
Harris just popped into my head as soon as I read the quote in the Post article.
good call Ogre
Screw WH
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by feslenraster on Aug 15, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
time for.... Metsblog comments regarding a media-made controversy
From duffystaub: “Loser. Pampered baby. Compare his grit and drive to guys like Utley or Jeter. I would not be sad to see him shipped to KC.”
KaiserSoze74: “I agree with that Met anonymous Mets player. Go out there and win some damn games. You suppose to be the F—-ING ACE, and you’re pitching like our worst starter. I normally don’t get bothered by these players comments, but this dude has nerve. First, Rick Peterson was the issue and not getting thru to the young guys, he’s gone and Pelfrey still sucks. Then it’s Thole, so he gets his own personal catcher. He may pitch better with Paulino, but it’s not like he’s out there pitching like an Ace. Hey Pelfrey, stop licking ur hand like a pornstar reject and pitch better. Some of those wins should be losses, because it’s the lineup who saved his ass a few times.”
ike4president: “I hope people boo this loser big time next game at CITI.”
Dan Carson: “Not surprised at Pelfrey’s remarks. Just look at his body language on the mound and in the dugout.. Seems like he is not mentally tough enough to be successful at this level. Even when he is pitching well, he is knocked off his game much too easily. At this point, he is what he will be. Time to cut bait.”
Paul Korec: “These comments are coming from a man who stands at 6’6” tall, but pitches like he’s 5’5", and not for nothing, saying what he said only goes to support that theory. He lacks fight, determination, and guts, which are all things that comprise a winner at anything in life. Maybe that explains why he loses as much as he does. He just doesn’t have what it takes to be a winner."
The one who makes K counters sometimes..... no not the good one, the other one.
by metsguy234 on Aug 13, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Nice
A little bit of everything: Grission, amateur armchair psychology, behind-the-scenes exclusive clubhouse access…
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 13, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
the best part
was in the first quote, the contradiction of pelfrey being solely responsible for his wins then pointing out his line-up were responsible for them.
hahahah
Hey Pelfrey, stop licking ur hand like a pornstar reject and pitch better.
I’m going to have to use that one myself.
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i would trade him
Someone will have spare talent and enough belief in pelf for a worthy trade
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by graves9 on Aug 13, 2011 6:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey, play nice.
Second of all, who are you to talk?
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 14, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
he has been trashing everything i say so far, what you want me to do
by jadedeed2327 on Aug 14, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
You could start actually contributing to the dialogue
instead of posting random one-off questions full of grammatical failure.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 14, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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by jadedeed2327 on Aug 14, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You need to read more closely.
You could start actually contributing to the dialogue instead of posting random one-off questions full of grammatical failure… or pictures of old SNL members.
Or are you intentionally being an ass?
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ok here is my guess, its angel pagan
the latter option
by jadedeed2327 on Aug 14, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
you're admitting to intentionally being an ass?
where the fuck is that banhammer?
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post more than 1 line questions
as many people have asked that you do on this site, many times.
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Then don't type at all.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
by Ogre39666 on Aug 14, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Then what are you doing on the internet?
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 14, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would keep him and if his ERA gets really low again,
like next year, trade him. The Mets don’t have much SP depth now.
probably the sensible thing to do
but emotionally…….I want him gone.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
In one word: Yes
In more depth, his second half has been a lot better than his first. When all is said and done, he’s still going to have a subpar year. In arbitration, he’ll probably get somewhere between $5 and $7 million dollars. Overpayment? Quite possibly. On the FA market, a guy fitting his profile- about 200 IP, ERA in the 4.00s, probably makes about that, plus more years. I’ll roll the dice on Pelf one more time.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 13, 2011 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
more questions
is sandy alderson doing a good job?
is jason bay out of his slump?
should tejada get sent down again?
who is josh satin?
who should be our closer?
why is the sky blue?
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A+!
Good to hear from you again, MTC
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Thanks
I did get one wrong though, upon further reflection. Who is clearly not Josh Satin.
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by MookieTheCat on Aug 14, 2011 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I am going to laugh my ass off
if Pelfrey goes out there tonight and stinks up the joint.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
That's cool! Why don't you get your Yankee Jersey out of the closet and see if it's clean for the playoffs.
by Putnan Prince on Aug 13, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
bah
that’s uncalled for. You know I am a Mets fan. You also know that Pelfrey is a shitty pitcher, and because of that he should shut the fuck up, play ball, and let others decide what is realistic or not. For example = realistic would be for him to pitch at .500 level on a .500 team.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
I agree.Pelfrey is a head case and is a waste of talent but I spend a lot of time around Yankee fans laughing and
breakin’ my balls constantly about the Mets causing my unfair post in your direction.
by Putnan Prince on Aug 13, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
How do people reach the conclusion that someone is a "waste of talent?"
Maybe he just doesn’t have the talent people originally thought was there. He’s far from the pitcher we drafted who was expected to be a heavy strikeout pitcher with ground ball tendencies. He’s a big guy with a good fastball and little else.
if he doesn't have the talent, how can he waste it ?
if the glove don’t fit, you must acquit
One day, this team is going to kill me.
I thought we drafted him to be a tall pitcher
he is kicking ass at that, always has
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I think that's rash judgment
To put it in perspective, Pelfrey can still prove highly valuable to a few teams out there in great need of a no. 4 or no. 5 starter. He has shown enough skill to at least be a decent lower-half rotation SP.
The thing that disturbs me most about him are the following:
1) Declining strikeout rates (from years past)
2) Increased HR/9 rates
3) Declining GB%
4) Declining GB/FB rates
And as if though things weren’t bad enough, he is still actually being helped by a lower BABIP rate.
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Why do you doubt him?
I'm sure Putnan Prince has a perfectly valid degree in armchair psychology and telepathy.
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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 13, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If he had a little more run support, he'd be .500
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 13, 2011 7:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That too
But, if you’re looking for a .500 pitcher, blame the team. Case in point: Dickey
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 13, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well when you look at his career stats in Arizona
therr’s no reason to believe he won’t be getting destroyed tonight.
by graves9 on Aug 13, 2011 6:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He should pitch a perfect game to show those detractors!
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Ahh, Guess Nick Evans.
That brings back some memories.
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Who?
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by feslenraster on Aug 14, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy Thole!
How long did this take to make?
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About 45 or so minutes, I'd guess
20 minutes to gather the photos of each member of the 40-man roster and sort alphabetically, 8 to fix the game set, and the other 17 putting the photos in individually
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The latter half of the process would be helped the most
I copied/pasted the photos into the squares, resized them, then moved onto the next one. For one, I skewed it using MS Word, than fitted it in there (photoshop would’ve came in the clutch big time)
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Yeah, that would have taken me 5, maybe 10 mins for all of them.
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Wow, I dont recognize half these guys
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How is this not rec'd like infinity times?
by James Kannengieser on Aug 14, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
In all seriousness, can you Fanshot this on its own, with like a caption about Pelfrey's comments?
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Will do, in short order
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best game ever????
The only thing I could think to do different is make all the people unknown Mets. Like that creeper below Duda, next to Murphy and Niese. Guessing Nickeas
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Guess Who? players, in order
Row 4 (back): Manny Acosta, Manny Alvarez, Mike Baxter, Jason Bay, Pedro Beato, Taylor Buchholz, Tim Byrdak, Chris Capuano, D.J. Carrasco, Ike Davis
Row 3: R.A. Dickey, Lucas Duda, Dillon Gee, Scott Hairston, Willie Harris, Ryota Igarashi, Jason Isringhausen, Zach Lutz, Fernando Martinez, Jenrry Mejia
Row 2: Daniel Murphy, Mike Nickeas, Jon Niese, Michael O’Connor, Angel Pagan, Bobby Parnell, Ronny Paulino, Mike Pelfrey, Jason Pridie, Jose Reyes
Row 1 (front): Armando Rodriguez, Johan Santana, Josh Stinson, Ruben Tejada, Dale Thayer, Josh Thole, Justin Turner, Jordany Valdespin, David Wright, Chris Young
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I feel like sone guy is missing...
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 14, 2011 1:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who?
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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 14, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it's Brad Emaus
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Off-topic
But this movie is on TBS right now
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Ah, I want to see this movie again.
All the fun of ’It’s a mad mad mad mad world’ in a much more reasonable running time!
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by Terry_is_God on Aug 14, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
my 2c opinion:
I don’t mind when a player speaks his mind, less so when an idiot owner does (snip);
that said, this isn’t a proper place or time for Pelfrey to discuss his honest feelings, especially when a reporter will always edit and take words out of context to sell papers. Especially with a team struggling to stay .500, and “Big Pelf” having a crapfest year.
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