Slip Sliding Away Applesauce: Mets Lose, Drop Fourth In Their Last Five Series, Pelfrey Injured By Parra, Quotes Taken Out of Context
The undermanned Mets offense continues to struggle and the bullpen couldn't hold Mike Pelfrey's lead, as the Amazins' fell to the Diamondbacks 6-4 in Arizona on Saturday evening. Pelfrey, fresh off of a media fiasco caused by some out of context quotes he gave to Mike "Luis Hernandez, Opening Day Second Baseman" Puma, put the Mets in an early hole that they were able to dig themselves out of. Pelf seemed to straighten himself out, until the fourth inning when he was hit on the elbow with a Gerardo Parra line drive and removed from the game. That's when the LOLpen made an early appearance, headlined by D.J. Carrasco, who gave the game right back to the D-Backs on a silver platter. And that's where this one essentially ended, aside from an insurance run scored by Arizona in the sixth.
Chris Capuano heads to the mound for the Mets as they try to avoid a sweep at the hands of the Diamonbacks. For Arizona, it'll be Staten Island's own Jason Marquis opposing them. Marquis had some interesting comments about a potential union with the Mets or Yankees next season. To that I say "meh, he's probably a good guy but let's look for a better pitcher." Anyway, game time is 4:10 PM and the game can be seen locally on WPIX Channel 11.
Jason Bay reflects on his difficult season. I think difficult may be putting it lightly.
Yesterday, I linked to an idea of a Bay for Jake Peavy swap. Well, how about a Bay for A.J. Burnett swap? In a simple word: No. In two more words? Just no.
Will the Mets be second class citizens forever? Perhaps, although New Yorkers certainly are fickle creatures.
Around the NL East
Roy Oswalt threw 7 solid innings and the Phillies tossed John Lannan around like a rag doll, as they defeated the Nats 11-3.
The Cubs beat the Braves 8-4, but Dan Uggla's hitting streak stretched to 33 early on in this one. Uggla also hit another home run, the 27th of the season for him.
The Giants shut out the Marlins 3-0 behind a solid seven inning performance from Tim Lincecum.
Around the Majors
The Carlos Zambrano Crazy Train keeps rolling, as the Cubs placed the volatile righty on the Disqualified List, which bars him from pitching for 30 days. He's also not paid for the balance of those 30 days. This sounds like a job for the MLB Players Association, who will almost certainly try their hardest to rescue those 30 days pay.
Remember when Jorge Posada's career was over? Okay, it probably still is, but golfing in Florida and a yearly Old Timers' Day appearance seems a little further off in the distance after the day Jorge had on Saturday. Jorgie Juiced One™ Grand Slam and knocked in six runs altogether, while going 3-5 as the Yankees beat up on the Rays 9-2.
Mike Jacobs is on a mission to get back to the majors. He'll probably get back someday, although he shouldn't stay for very long and probably won't, considering that .313 career OBP (unless of course Omar Minaya gets a job in the near future. Then all bets are off the table).
Finally, Zack Greinke wore the wrong jersey in a pinch-hitting appearance. Awkward.
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That Mets360 article is laughable.
People should have to pass a test to write articles on the internet. If you don’t have the license you should go to jail.
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Pelfrey Misquoted???
I think it’s laughable that you would say Pelfrey was misquoted to fit your agrument that Pelf was just a poor victim.
If Pelfrey was misquoted why did he issue a dozen apologies yesterday?
I asked Mike Puma who told me it was an exact quote.
I hope you have the decency to change that title or post your evidence that he was misquoted, and stop posting your own speculation as Mets news.
I post my own speculation all the time, nothing wrong with that, but I don’t pass it of as news.
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hey, joe d, please tell this to your boss from me

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 14, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, out of context is probably the right word as opposed to misquoted.
Sorry if I don’t exactly trust the Post’s journalistic integrity.
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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 14, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
haha right?
its like a hypochondriac getting mad that no one believes they have a cold.
I also enjoy the name dropping.
Good for you that you know Mike Puma personally, Joe D. I'm really impressed.
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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 14, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is...
You changed the title, which I thought was out of line. When I have doubts about a story, I go to the source and ask them flat out. I couldn’t care less about Puma and it doesn’t matter which paper printed the story, that’s not the point. You cant knock someone’s journalistic integrity while you post speculation as fact. I call people out all the time, but first I do it directly with the source, than on my blog if it realy gets my goat. My favorite whipping boy is Andy Martino who is much worse than anyone on the Post, and Martino knows exactly how I feel about him from my emails and Twitter replies to him. Peace.
he changed the title because it was pointed out that misquote was the wrong word
so he accepted that and corrected the error. what’s wrong with that? as opposed to what puma did, which was intentionally print a quote out of context to create a problem with someone where no problem existed.
to your other points, how would anyone here be able to directly go to the source and ask them? its not like we can walk up to the post and sit down with puma and say “hey, why are you such a terrible writer?”, but i’m sure we’re all glad you have that privilege.
i’m sure we’re also quite glad that andy martino TOTALLY reads all your e-mails and twitter replies, because what journalist DOESN’T take the time to read all of his criticism and take it all in stride? you sir, are just a hero to us all.
by cntrlalt on Aug 14, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wait, whut?
First you say:
hope you have the decency to change that title or post your evidence that he was misquoted, and stop posting your own speculation as Mets news.
Then you say:
The point is…
You changed the title, which I thought was out of line.
Changing the tile was not out of line, the original title was out of line. Notice my comma placement. RIF
Peace.
i don't think you quite understand
how commas work, then.
oh noes! a traditionalist! get him!
even though at no point was stats discussed here, and you outed yourself as a non-saber in a completely irrelevant way.
all we know about you is that you own a mystery blog and you have a poor grasp of logic and writing structure.
A Mystery Bog?
The more you cry about the divide between the two, the more you widen it.
I think Joe thinks his fame spreads far and wide.
It’s unfortunate the poor guy’s name is “Joe,” in that case.
by SuperT on Aug 14, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He probably is connected to The Post.
Would make sense since he apparently can talk to Puma all he wants (why anyone would actually want to take time out of their live to talk to that guy, I don’t know).
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I believe he wrote mystery "blog"
as in we have no idea who you are or what blog you write for. And I don’t understand what this mysterious divide is either.
Oh well.
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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 14, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmm. Joe D from Metsmerized?
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by Aidan Gibson on Aug 14, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
if it is
then here is JoeD’s article on this very topic.
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/08/pelfrey-bombshell-never-gave-mets-a-chance-for-2011.html
for those unwilling to give MMO the site traffic, its about what you would expect. the article trashes pelfrey for being a “loser” and having a “losing mentality”. it further goes on to say that a world series club starts with players that have a “winning mentality”. i would argue a word series club starts with players who are above average to good at the game of baseball. which, incidentally, is exactly what mike pelfrey is; an above average baseball player.
from what i can see, the article makes no mention of the subsequent comments by pelfrey and terry that refute the context of the quote by the post. i also did not see anything else on the site that suggested the quote was taken out of context.
by cntrlalt on Aug 14, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i should also mention that this article lacks
any kind of subjective analysis of the actual quotes and issues it addresses. the article uses the quote as an opportunity to bash pelfrey as a player rather than entertain the possibility that his comments were an accurate assessment of the state of the team.
by cntrlalt on Aug 14, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oy.
Thanks for posting this so I didn’t have to look it up myself. I will take the high road here and preemptively redact any comments that I could’ve made about this.
All I know is that my buddy Senorstem probably would have a field day with this if he had the time to spend.
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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 14, 2011 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
fangraphs has him at
.4 WAR…so not good, just a little above average. if the mets dump him they’ll wind up with someone roughly the same to replace him.
No, that's below average to bad.
0.0 WAR is not average, it’s replacement level. Replacement level is worse than average.
i guess its a matter of finding that line
between replacement and average. when i look at replacement level, i see an arbitrary player who can come in and perform not terribly, but not that great either. just about average, so when i see .4 WAR i think of a player that is slightly marginally better than “not that bad but not that good, either”.
The league average player puts up around 2 WAR.
0 WAR guys are your prototypical AAAA players; think Mike Hessman or Jesus Feliciano.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 15, 2011 12:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not sure what punctuation has to do with
sabermetrics, but if that’s where you want to take this, I’ll kindly refrain. I never was looking for any fights here and I’m still not interested.
Your point was taken. Thank you for taking time out of your morning to give me some feedback. Enjoy your day.
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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 14, 2011 2:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
It's not the comma dude, your sentence is poorly phrased
Why mention that he changed the title at all if all you wanted to say was that you thought the original title was “out of line?”
It's funny that you accuse Senior Stem of manipulating facts and quotes to fit his narrative when we're talking about Mike Puma, the king of making shit up to support his crazy claims.
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by Ogre39666 on Aug 14, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, he was right about Luis Hernandez being our starting 2B, wasn't he?
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 14, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh boy... lol...
Sorry to get all your panties in a bunch. :-)
There's no need for you to start insulting us,
just because you’re wrong.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 14, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what we call "fanning the flames."
Probably best to just get lost.
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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 14, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I might run into traffic
if Marquis ends up a Met.
What's that about?
by Brian. on Aug 14, 2011 12:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Pelfrey thing is so stupid
What he said was the absolute truth. Everyone not named Pollyanna knows it and unless you assume that he’s not tried to his fullest, the whole thing is a complete non-story. The truth is that Pelfrey probably tries too hard if anything. Yet another example of a pencil necked geek trying to start trouble.
What he said was the absolute truth.
There is a difference between “truth” and “smart”.
I mean, sure… the enormous drunk guy pounding the table with the large knife in his hand is acting like an ass… but it’s probably not a good idea to say that to his face.
I think Pelfrey takes his place in MLB for granted. That’s a mistake. He’s not good enough to run his mouth and keep his position. Logan Morrison is running into the same problem in Florida. If you’re going to say anything to disparage the team, you’d damn well better be Albert flipping Pujols (or a lunatic).
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I don't see what he said
as disparaging. He didn’t criticize anyone’s effort or ability. He simply said that after last year it would be unrealistic to assume this team would make a full turnaround. He said that the team was doing things right and would be a perennial contender. He also squarely addressed his own problems.
I just don’t see what he said as having any controversial value. If his team mates feel differently, perhaps the unnamed Met should have talked to him in private instead of fuelling a controversy that shouldn’t even exist.
Or at least step up and take off the cloak of anonymity.
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Well, no
He’s said, and Collins said, that it was part of a larger conversation in which Pelfrey thought he was expressing very positive things about the team. At some point he may have been asked to explain why, then, they’re not headed to the playoffs, and he said what made it to the paper – that you can’t really expect, after the situation the team was in after last year, to be a championship team in one year.
It was a ginned-up controversy, full stop. A completely dishonest cherry-picking of quotes by a reporter with no integrity (a qualification for writing for the Post, as it happens – I wish I were joking).
Pelfrey said he fully expected, with the rest of the team at the beginning of the season, to be able to make the playoffs. No player could have prevented this, unless he said, “well, we’re below 500, but we’re going to win the whole thing by golly, just you wait and see!”

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