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What's the Harm in Letting Pedro Beato be a Starter?

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If you, like me, were waiting in line to buy a ticket for Dreamland instead of watching the San Diego Padres visit Victory Lane by way of the Mets bullpen last night, you likely missed a fairly-forgettable performance by Rule 5 reliever Pedro Beato.

The keyword there, of course, is "reliever." Beato's performance against the Padres -- one inning, three hits, two earned runs, and a game that went from a manageable 3-1 deficit to a seemingly-insurmountable 5-1 hole -- probably earned him the sarcastic kind of quotation marks around his current role with the club.

In light of recent comments by Mets manager Terry Collins, those quotation marks may also hint at the Queens' native's temporary status as a reliever and potentially permanent role as a future starter. Should he start? Should he stay as a reliever?

And with the Mets being 12 1/2 games back in the NL Wild Card race, why can't we just find out?

Star-divide

Did you know that upon being drafted as a Rule 5 player from the Houston Astros in 2000, five of Johan Santana's 30 appearances with the Minnesota Twins came by way of a starting nod? It went badly, as you'd expect for a 21-year-old kid who never hurled a pitch above A ball. Santana posted an 0-3 record as a starter with a 9.82 ERA across 22 IP. 

I'm not here to compare Santana to Beato. It's a night-and-day comparison -- Santana's a southpaw that featured a nasty fastball and cruel changeup that bumped up his ability to strikeout opposing batters with great zeal, whereas Beato's a 24-year-old righty with an assortment of pitches that doesn't boast plus changeup and came about from a mixed bag of successes and failures at the minor league level. 

Like I said, apples and oranges.

But Minnesota finished last in the AL Central that year with a 69-93 record considered so bad that it fueled talks of the club's contraction along with the Montreal Expos. Point is, they didn't have anything left to lose. Twins skipper Tom Kelly was stuck with Santana due to the pitcher's Rule 5 status -- so Kelly figured, "Why not see what he's got?"

If Collins believes that Beato has a real chance at becoming a Major League starter, why not work towards stretching him out to log a few September starts? Oh, Beato might not have a desirable K/9 ratio that you'd like to see from a starter and being morphed into a reliever at Double A probably isn't a good predictor of future success, but when was the last time that a non-Santana Mets starter could be honestly described as a strikeout artist and why does success needed to be judged as ace or bust? In the end, could he really be any worse than the low barrier for entry set by Mike Pelfrey?

The motives may be different, but this is the mindset that let Jerry Manuel lock Jenrry Mejia into a reliever role last season, or that never let Jonathan Papelbon escape the Boston Red Sox bullpen. "He can help us right now in the bullpen, so that's where he works best."

That might very well end up being the case with Beato, but the potential good he could do as a starter would far outweigh the potential benefits he offers as a reliever unless Beato intends to take up Mariano Rivera's moniker as the most effective reliever in baseball history. Especially with Sandy Alderson and his brain trust making the decisions, relievers are relatively easy to find. Starters are and always will be hard.

I'd rather have a taste of Beato starting down the stretch than enduring constant speculation somewhere down the line about the opportunity to let him start being wasted. They can't send him to Buffalo or Binghamton to find out and they're spinning their wheels with him now in the bullpen.

The Mets have little to play for these days. Why not give the kid a shot?

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Let's do it.

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by bm01bath on Aug 17, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 17, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not give the kid a shot?

Beato could get hurt pushing himself to throw multiple innings at this juncture. He was put on the DL with tendinitis in his elbow after throwing multiple innings in relief back in May.

Also, Beato’s stuff/peripherals aren’t even as good as Parnell’s were in 2009 when they tried him as a starter. That failed miserably. I don’t think it’s even worth attempting. Beato has a 5.4 K/9 as a reliever. That’s not going to translate well to a starting role.

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by TWilliAM on Aug 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Parnell was moved to the bullpen because of his lack of secondary pitches

Beato, on the other hand, has 4 average pitches with plus potential. Check out this great article from earlier in the year by our friend, Garik16.

24 years old is still young enough. I like the idea of trying him out as a starter because even a back-end starter is likely more valuable than a great reliever. If it doesn’t work, you can move him back.

by TheBigStapler on Aug 17, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had read Garik16's article.

But if Beato’s secondary stuff is so good, why doesn’t he use those pitches more often? Even if they are really good, they are less likely to be good when he has to face batters three or more times. The fact that the Orioles (a team in desperate need of starting pitching) turned him into a reliever tells me everything I need to know.

If you’re telling me they should make Beato a starter for the duration of season so he can further develop his repertoire, fine. I firmly believe his future is in the pen.

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by TWilliAM on Aug 17, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why can't they do both?

Use him as a starter to let him work on his stuff, but with an eye towards the future where if he is decent, you keep him as a starter?

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 17, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think we should be basing

player development on what the Orioles do. In fact, we should prob do the opposite of whatever they did.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Aug 17, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the Minors, in A-Ball, he started and wasn't very good

While he’s definitley more refined as a pitcher now, as opposed to a few years ago, his ML numbers coupled with his peripherals in the Minors don’t really show stuff that will look good as a starter. It’s not as if since the Orioles are run by a kinda crappy front office, the right answer is the opposite of what they came up with.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 17, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

His stuff wouldn't become less good.

The article was judging the pitches by movement and velocity, not results.

by EtSuKe on Aug 17, 2011 8:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm in

Maybe trade Capuano for something/nothing or stick him in the pen?

I wouldn’t really mind some other pitchers, like Schwinden getting a look or two either.

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by Ceetar on Aug 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

seems unlikely a trade happens now

but I am guessing we will be seeing a very odd rotation in September

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by astromets on Aug 17, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

well he’s cleared waivers. so who knows.

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by Ceetar on Aug 17, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind giving him a few spot starts, and seeing how he does

I’m not expecting much, though. He started A ball as a starter, and wasn’t that good. That’s why he got sent to the bullpen, where he did a lot better. His Major League peripherals aren’t all that great, and his stats aren’t that great either, even with a .250 BABIP.

If he does start, and he does decently (5-6 innings, 4 or so runs) his ERA might improve, because his LOB% will go up- it’s at a real low 52.6% right now. As a starter, he kinda reminds me of Mike Pelfrey kind of (with questionable ability to throw many innings) with a broader pitch selection- a 50% GB, low K starter

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 17, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Do it.

I believe Dickey is destined for the BP, and Cap won’t be here next year. With questions surrounding Pelfrey’s and Gee’s abilities, there could be as many as four open spots in the rotation up for grabs next year with Niese (IMO) being the only lock. Make that 2 locks if you believe Santana will be back and be any good.

So, in ST next year we’re looking at Dickey, Gee, Pelfrey, Schwinden, and any signings the Mets make vying for a spot in the rotation. Why not throw Beato in the mix? What could it hurt, really? And for this to be doable without sending him to AAA to start 2012, you stretch him out this year, as the OP said, and give him some starts in September.

by eDaPS on Aug 17, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe Dickey is destined for the BP

Sure he is… maybe if he were traded to the Phillies. Maybe.

Thanks for the laugh!

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by TWilliAM on Aug 17, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

You make a compelling and well-reasoned argument for your dissenting opinion.

by eDaPS on Aug 17, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a damn good fourth starter.

He leads the Mets in innings pitched. He has a sub-4 xFIP.

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by TWilliAM on Aug 17, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

He just seems to be too inconsistent.

Most (reasonable) people will agree that you can’t judge a pitcher by his W-L record. However, in this case if you look at his stats split between his wins and losses you notice that it’s not entirely a matter of “hard luck losses” with Dickey.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=dicker.01&year=&t=p#outco

He’s noticeably worse in his losses than in his wins this year. Obviously when you’re better you win and when you’re worse you lose. But there is something to be said about a SP with a 5-11 record on a team that is 5th in the league in runs scored. He’s inconsistent, but that’s the mark of a fourth starter, I guess. I just think, if they do have better options at some point next year, having a knuckleballer in your BP could be devastating to the opposition.

by eDaPS on Aug 17, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ups and Downs

Dickey is pitching about the same as he was last year. He had a 3.75 xFIP last year versus a 3.89 xFIP this year. So he’s actually not pitching that much worse. His way ERA was just way below this number last year, where as it’s much closer this year. as great as that was he was still just 11-9 if you want to factor the W-L factor. He has a grand total of 2 more losses this year and has pitched at relatively the same level as he did last season.

by MetsCity on Aug 17, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

Great points. Although averaging the runs allowed over games is a little misleading (as opposed to averaging it out over IP), I concede my argument here.

Which, as it happens, wasn’t calling Dickey a bad pitcher. I simply suggested that he may be more useful in the BP should the rotation work itself out next year. No harm no foul.

by eDaPS on Aug 17, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but its a hell of a lot easier to do that than

list every single start he’s made this season. The 12 total no-decisions or losses where he allowed three earned runs or fewer speaks for itself, though. Say he wins all of those games- suddenly, he’s sporting a sterling record of 17-5.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 17, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd with the power of Dickey!

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Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 17, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Praise Dickey!

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 17, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green this please.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 17, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 17, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell is this?
a SP with a 5-11 record

Those numbers make no sense to me. What do they represent? How are the calculated? How reliable is the formula used to devise these number at representing a pitcher’s skill?

by Evan_S on Aug 17, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If a pitchar can't hit homerunz, he can't winz gamers! His BA is just 5-11!

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by Michkin on Aug 17, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You obviously haven't been watching Kevin Burkhardt's pre-game "show".

He's not been as clutch this year. He's giving up more late inning home runs, so he's not winning games.

Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!

by TWilliAM on Aug 17, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no! I referenced a pitcher's W-L record! Ah!

Way to take it out of the context in which I presented it. Good job.

by eDaPS on Aug 17, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

His record is meaningless.

The only reason one would bring it up would be to openly mock it and the person who might use it to defend his position re: Dickey.

If R.A. Dickey pitched for the Yankees, what would his record be? If he pitched for the Astros what would his record be? That’s right. A pitcher’s win/loss record strongly correlates to the strength of his team’s offense and bullpen. If your team’s offense and bullpen sucks, you aren’t going to win games no matter how great you pitch. See Hernandez, King Felix.

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by TWilliAM on Aug 17, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

No shit.

A pitcher’s win/loss record strongly correlates to the strength of his team’s offense and bullpen.

Hence me pointing to the context in which I used the record. When compared against the offensive output of the team. You know, the WHOLE sentence I wrote instead of just a snippet.

It doesn’t matter anyway, I’ve already conceded my point to a poster who pointed out some valid numbers, sans the douchiness. Thanks.

by eDaPS on Aug 17, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

formula is a piece o shit

5 innings min, leave with team having out-scored the opponent, team can’t blow lead for a win. Could give up 1 earned run over 7 innings, have the team blow the lead and get a no decision OR worse have the team lose 5-4 and get the loss

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by astromets on Aug 17, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea there's like... 2 teams in mlb where Dickey isn't a starter

and the Mets certainly aren’t one of them.

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 17, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Send our best pitcher over the past two season to the BP?

Yeah, not a good way to win ballgames.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 17, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Our second best pitcher is destined for the pen...

May Dickey have mercy on your soul.

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 17, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

first you

say that dickey is destined for the BP (which is one of the dumber things).

then you use W-L to prove your point.

I don’t think you have grasped what AA is all about.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Aug 17, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

I don’t think you grasped the context in which I used that W-L record. Reading a bit slower helps with comprehension of information. Especially when said information is used in conjunction with other information instead of just on its own.

Or, you could just hit reply and post before comprehending it. Either way, I guess.

by eDaPS on Aug 17, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

so lemme get this straight

you were wrong. were completely wrong. yet when people have derided your wrongness instead of slowly spelling out how wrong you were, you get pissy.

right.

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 17, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, no, you didn't get it straight.

I was wrong and admitted I was wrong to someone Brooklyn Dodgers… because he (she?) understood what I was getting at, but pointed out the flaw in my reasoning.

No one is pissy here but those who didn’t understand what I was saying (except Brooklyn Dodgers..) and dived on the mention of “W-L” like a kid who just discovered sabermetrics and wanted to impress his friends.

by eDaPS on Aug 17, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's he.

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 17, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet baby Jesus

Most (reasonable) people will agree that you can’t judge a pitcher by his W-L record. However, in this case if you look at his stats split between his wins and losses you notice that it’s not entirely a matter of "hard luck losses" with Dickey.

That’s from my post. Holy cow.

by eDaPS on Aug 17, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can make the same point without referencing his record.

You could actually support you claim by going through his starts and provide evidence that he has not preformed well on a consistent basis or hasn’t had outings where he lost even though he limited the other team to a reasonable amount of runs. But you can’t since he’s only had three outing where he has given up 5 or more earned runs; only 3 more where he’s given up 4. In fact, he hasn’t given up more than 4 runs in 17 starts.

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 17, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I a kid?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 17, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn kids.

Get off my lawn!

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 18, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

For whatever reason,

I always thought most of everyone here is younger than me, straddling the late high school/early college area. There’s a few curmudgeonly old folks, of course, and we all love their angry rants and comparisons to yesteryear and whatnot…

I wonder what the actual age cross-section of AA is.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 18, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would be very interested to see that as well

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Aug 18, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i read what you wrote

and grasped it in the context in which you used.

and furthermore…

He’s noticeably worse in his losses than in his wins this year. Obviously when you’re better you win and when you’re worse you lose. But there is something to be said about a SP with a 5-11 record on a team that is 5th in the league in runs scored.

Apr 8 – L – 5ip 3er
Apr20 – L – 8ip 4er
May8 – L – 7ip 3er
May31 – 7.2ip 3er
June11 – 8ip 1er
Jul 15 – 7ip 4er
Jul30 – 6ip 3er
Aug5 – 7ip 2er
Aug10 – 6ip 3er

none of those are very bad, and he got losses in each. So this idea that he has not been very good is kinda bull. Your whole argument is bull.

furthermore (and someone a little more advanced can help me out if I am wrong), his Win Probability Added in those losses is not that bad. He actually had a positive WPA in one of his losses (aug5). He has had 7 starts with a WPA under -0.2 out of 26 starts. Not to mention he has a WPA over 1 in 3 no decisions.

He has had a few clunkers (nobody is calling him an ace) but even in his losses, he has not been horrible.

W/L for a pitcher has no bearing on anything. doesnt matter if its on a team “5th in the league in runs scored.” or on a team 25th in the league in runs scored. (also, I would think if you take out those 5 or so games where the mets scored 30,000 runs… they wont be 5th in the league in runs scored anymore…)

The idea of taking our most durable and consistant pitcher from teh last 2 years and move him into the bullpen (ignoring the fact that bringing a knuckler in late in the game is a very dicey proposition with runners on base… if you are up by one with a runner in Scoring position… do you really wanna bring in Dickey? Seems like you are playing with fire there…) is a bad idea, even moreso after you really comprehend it.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Aug 18, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And against Oakland

He pitched 8, k’d 9, walked 1, 3 hits (one solo shot), 1 run, and got a no decision. That May 31 game he struck out 10, walked 2 in those 7.2 innings and lost.

by Evan_S on Aug 18, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bought tickets thinking I was gonna see Dickey pitch (miscalculated because of an off-day)

and I got to see Gee’s abortion of a game against Oakland instead…

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 18, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's no harm

as long as you don’t mind losing some games. I just don’t think he’s very good, especially at this juncture in his career and this late in the season. Let him get some reps in spring training or winter ball as a starter. There’s no reason to risk his pitching 6 innings now after the grind of a full season. He’s young and under team control for years: just wait.

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 17, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

CAPUANO TRADE

Capuano reportedly has cleared waivers, so the Mets can trade him now. Is it really a good thing health-wise to have Beato start games this September? It just seems like a better idea to have him work his way up to 6-7 innings in winter ball.

by MDMETSFAN on Aug 17, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

It seems like Beato is being greatly overvalued

He doesn’t miss bats, doesn’t have that good of a breaking pitch, doesn’t have great control…and really hasn’t induced a high ratio of ground balls. There’s nothing he really does well or elite in any way.

by David G on Aug 17, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t see Beato making it as a starter, but if he did, his absolute pie-in-the-sky ceiling would be “super-frustrating low-strikeout inconsistent innings-eater” a la Pelfrey.

I’d consider stashing him in AAA next year and letting him start there to hone his game and show what he can do. Starting him in the majors now just seems like a way to kill his confidence. If we’re going to give someone a few cup of coffee starts, I’d rather see Schwinden, who has had better peripherals than Beato up and down the minors and hasn’t yet had an opportunity to show what he can do against major league hitters.

by psiogen on Aug 17, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's exactly what I would do.

Schwinden actually has a chance to be a starter in the bigs. I’d rather not waste time finding out things I already know.

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by TWilliAM on Aug 17, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this.

I think letting him start is a worthy experiment but not this year in the majors. If they want him to be a starter, he’s going to need to develop in the minors and that’ll have to start next season. I’d send him back to AA, honestly, and let him work his way up. If he develops into a decent starter, great! If not, put him back in the pen or do whatever you need to do with him. Either way, I think he still needs some minor league time. He hasn’t been awful but…come on…those K and BB rates are putrid out of the pen. If he wants to have future success, he’s going to need to improve those rates.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 17, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starter

I’m more inclined to wait until after the season to do this. Like in winter ball as was mentioned. He hasn’t been a starter since A ball, and he joined the team from AA. A stint in winter ball and maybe even AAA next year can give us a better look at how the transition will pay off, and perhaps allow him to be effective and learn to how pace himself for the longer outings.

by MetsCity on Aug 17, 2011 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Good Point

But maybe we don’t want to see that if it’s a failed experiment.

by MetsCity on Aug 17, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 17, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is hard to stretch a guy this time of year

lets give him some real long relief first. put him in for 3 innings + when the chance arrives a time or 2. then start him and see if he can make 5

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by Rickfansince76 on Aug 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Didnt Beato

Say he rather stay in the pen?

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by BlueChill on Aug 17, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

He did.

He said he doesn’t like starting.

Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!

by TWilliAM on Aug 17, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see the harm, but

his minor league numbers as a starter weren’t exactly stunning.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?P=Pedro-Beato

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by feslenraster on Aug 17, 2011 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Beato will suck as a starter

just like what happened to Mejia and Parnell. I believe Beato is more suited for the pen.

by Wei on Aug 17, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Mejia should still be a starter

He’s got the repertoire for it, unlike Parnell, and he’s had success as a starter in the minors, unlike Beato. He just needs more development time (and, obviously, a healthy elbow).

by psiogen on Aug 17, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mejia is a starter

Parnell, he was a starter in the Minors. And, he really wasn’t that great at the higher levels.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 17, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait

what happened to Mejia? He started at AAA this year and was doing awesome before TJS

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Aug 18, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

A mal-informed opinion happened to him.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Aug 18, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see that

but I wanted his answer

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Aug 18, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should

He’s a young, controllable, cheap player who, while he has faults, isn’t any better or worse than half of the other relievers out there.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 17, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Would you rather be paying Jamie Wright, who is making $900,000 dollars this season, has has about the same numbers (in terms of IP, K/9, BB/9, ERA, xFIP), and is in his 30s with no future, or a young pitcher in the system, making the $400,000 minimum? Clearly, the young guy. Do we start the clocks of some of the other guys we got, or take the chance to bring them up and see if they can actually handle the MLB, or plug Beato (presumably, an improved Beato) back in there next season? I’d go with the latter, especially with a few more bullpen spots opening up in 2012, with the it likely that Igarashi and Izzy go, and the possibility that Acosta and Byrdak leave.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 18, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

#selfishbeato

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Aug 18, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um...Okay?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 18, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

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