R.A. Dickey Can't Win For Losing
Watching the Mets fail to capitalize on another sharp start by R.A. Dickey on Sunday reminded me of a brief debate that broke out in the comments section of my post last week about the closer credentials of Pedro Beato.
The crux of the debate revolved around one commenter's misunderstanding of Dickey's effectiveness in wins as compared to losses -- or, as one might guess blindly, that the Mets knuckleballer pitched more effectively in wins than in losses. It's not a claim without validity; pitchers factor into results just like any of the other position players.
Despite the claim being promptly snuffed out by the majority of you lovely readers and commenters who know better than to merely judge a pitcher's performance based on his win-loss record, the debate enticed me to take a casual glance at Dickey's win-loss splits to see if there was anything glaring in his performance.
And there was, much to Dickey's detriment this season.
Without further ado, here's some selected stats from Dickey's win-loss splits in 2011:| Split | G | W | L | IP | ERA | FIP | BB/9 | SO/9 | SO/BB | BA | OBP | SLG | BAbip |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wins | 5 | 5 | 0 | 33.2 | 1.87 | 4.10 | 3 | 7.8 | 2.6 | .242 | .305 | .406 | .281 |
| Losses | 11 | 0 | 11 | 73.1 | 4.54 | 4.32 | 2.7 | 5.2 | 1.9 | .277 | .334 | .422 | .301 |
| ND | 11 | 0 | 0 | 60 | 3.75 | 3.93 | 1.5 | 5.7 | 3.8 | .258 | .297 | .376 | .282 |
| Total | 27 | 5 | 11 | 167 | 3.72 | 3.96 | 2.3 | 5.9 | 2.5 | .263 | .315 | .402 | .290 |
Stats provided by Baseball-Reference.com
What struck me about Dickey's peripherals wasn't that he pitches better in wins than losses. A quick glance reflects that he strikes out fewer batters in losses than wins, which may be attributed to the smaller sample size or to any trouble that Dickey may have had harnessing his knuckler. SO/9 ratios of other knuckleballers like Tim Wakefield and Joe Niekro aren't so wide over their careers, though it's admittedly not fair to directly compare a single-season performance to career averages like that.
All besides the point. What struck me was how well Dickey has pitched in no-decision performances this season. He's arguably been even better in those games, which is further observed in seeing that the Mets went on to win six of Dickey's 11 no-decisions after he couldn't factor into the decision. It's not enough to end calls for the Mets to seek out an ace or grow one on the farm or put in a cheat code before their next outing to supersize Mike Pelfrey, but Dickey's been everything one can ask of a starter in any Major League rotation -- let alone this one.
Far be it from Darth Dickious (his nickname for himself, not mine) to cry about spilled milk after an outing like yesterday, though. From MLB.com's Aaron Taube:
"We can't mope around and feel sorry for ourselves," Dickey said. "Everybody can look at the schedule and look at who we're playing, and it's not going to get any easier.
"Our moms and our wives are the only ones who are going to feel sorry for us right now."
Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be knuckleballers for the 2011 Mets.
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Interesting
So, Dickey has pitched his best when he got a no-decision. Very interesting.
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Good write up.
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by CoachPatAnderson on Aug 22, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions
Praise Dickey!
He’s basically old reliable. I only hope that he doesn’t get discouraged by his W/L record, and try to change something, whether it be throw more fastballs, or fewer fastballs, or more Dickeyphuses, or fewer Dickeyphuses, or whatever it may be, in an attempt to get more wins. He seems a smart guy, who knows that pitcher W/L records are team records as much as they are individual performance records, so hopefully he doesn’t get discouraged/frustrated/whatever, and change anything in an attempt to get more wins.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 22, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions
praise low bb/9 rates
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 22, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
Not only is he an effective SP
But he represents himself, his family, and the organization very well. He’s smart, seems to be good with the media and the fans, and he is a joy to watch pitch.
We are all very lucky to have him as part of this organization, and as a fan, to me watching him pitch is right up there with watching Straw hit, Keith field, Doc pitch, and Piazza slug. I know that’s putting him in some great company, and while he might not be remembered that way, that’s how much I enjoy the “complete Dickey package”. What, did I say something funny?
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It would be great
to have him remain with the organization after his playing days are over although I can’t really see a knuckleballer as a pitching coach. He’s probably more likely to become a college professor somewhere.
We did have Charlie Hough as a pitching coach for a couple of seasons
so a knuckleball pitcher becoming a pitching coach isn’t unprecedented. I’d love to see him manage somewhere…he’s a great speaker, for press conference/media purposes and he’s always a team first kind of guy. I also wouldn’t be surprised if he was a little unconventional in his managing. He’s a smart guy and he’s already unconventional as a pitcher, as it is…I could see him trying new things and not being afraid of the media consequences.
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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 22, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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dickey wasnt a knuckleballer for the majority of his career. until 2005 he pitched the same way everybody else does
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
OK you both convinced me
Warthen out, Dickey in as player / coach. A win win situation
mamas don't let your babies grow up to be knucklers..
Just let them throw fastballs or sliders or cuts
let them be shortstops or catchers with guts
mama dont let your babies grow up to be knucklers
specially for teams that can’t give them a lead
even against some guys who suck….
Run Support Splits
In Wins: 6.60 (largely due to 14 runs against the Tigers, 4.75 otherwise)
In Losses: 2.36
In NDs: 4.27
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With a 5-11 record...
…and a FIP, xFIP, tERA, and SIERA all below 3.96, yup.
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It might be good for Dickey to be a little wild
Maybe that higher BB/9 in his wins than in his no decisions is indicative of a night when his knuckler is really knuckling — as opposed to staying straight.
I think it’s hard to say he pitched “better” in his NDs with so little information.
Wow. A whole post based on my misinterpretation of stats.
TRBLE. But, fair AA posters, THESE were the exact stats I was talking about. My point wasn’t so much his W/L record itself but these stats attached to them. It’s clear he is worse in his losses (which makes sense), but the OP is right in that the NDs are the craziest factor here.


































