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Daniel Murphy suffered a Grade 2 tear of the medial collateral ligament in his left knee and is done for the season, according to a source familiar with the injury. Murphy will not require surgery, but will have a four-month recovery time.

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NO!!!

That fucking sucks!! He’s got such a good bat!! Fuck!

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by MetRayGirl on Aug 7, 2011 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, I knew it when I saw it

I was watching the broadcast on TBS and they were saying it looked like he was spiked. I was liek are you serious, his knee went 6 inches sideways. I had the injury before and it sucks. I did not have surgery and have a somehwta physical job. I was light duty for a month, and really not 100% for about 3 months. Everytime I ran for about a year it acted up.

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by Rickfansince76 on Aug 8, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lame Hagin kept saying he got spiked and he'll be fine

Howie and Gary right away saw that he did some damage to his knee.

by graves9 on Aug 8, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awful, awful news

Hope he comes back next year kicking ass.

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by Syler on Aug 7, 2011 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

This exactly

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by Russ on Aug 7, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any word as if it was related to the spike or just the way he landed?

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by sparbz on Aug 7, 2011 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

The spike helped his leg bend the wrong way

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by Syler on Aug 7, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take a look at the replay if you haven't seen it.

Constanza’s cleat hits Murphy’s knee and it buckles. It was definitely the spike.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 7, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is why we can't have nice things

no surgery though, that’s nice. may the Hammer rehab successfully and come back with a vengeance next year.

by theamato on Aug 7, 2011 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Really had a great season...

Hit .320/.362/.448 in 423 PAs a tough pitchers’ park. Best of luck to him going forward.

by sjohnson125 on Aug 7, 2011 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

That sucks

He was a lot of fun to watch this year. He had become a very good role player here. I hope he’s given a good chance to win the second base job next year.

by graves9 on Aug 7, 2011 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

3.0 WAR in 2/3 of a season

that’s more than a role player. that is a solid-above average ML regular. his success is BA driven though (in that he has a poor walk rate and low power), so take that for what you will.

by theamato on Aug 7, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on that

I meant he’s a good non star type player. He might have been able to a 4 WAR player which is very, very good. I’d also like to see him draw more walks.

by graves9 on Aug 7, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does seem that there are many players fitting this description

Hence, the 84 All-Stars this season, most on record

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by sj10689 on Aug 8, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

is it the same knee he hurt last year?

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by Rickfansince76 on Aug 8, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Aug 8, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gary said it's not.

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 8, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok here's a suggestion

two years, two separate year long injuries…maybe Daniel Murphy just shouldnt play 2nd base

by rcnt123 on Aug 7, 2011 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Faulty logic

He got injured on freak plays

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by Syler on Aug 7, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This.

I don’t understand how people can’t grasp correlation ≠causation.

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 7, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

Second basemen are taught how to protect themselves as it is a very dangerous position. So the logic it not totally faulty.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 7, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

But that is assuming that there was anything he could have done to avoid them.

Put any other 2B in those situations and they get hurt too.

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 8, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don't know that

I don’t know that. Nobody knows it. The guy gets jumped on for saying MAYBE Murph shouldn’t play 2b since he’s had 2 season ending injuries in 2 years compared to the number of other second basemen who have had season ending injuries in the last 2 years .

He said “maybe”. I was just defending him by saying his logic is “not totally wrong.” But we’re wrong here – okay.

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by blains2000 on Aug 8, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

"two years, two separate year long injuries"

He’s implying a direct relationship as if Murphy caused those things to happen.

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 8, 2011 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well if Buster Posey gets run over again next year

You think Giants fans might say he shouldn’t catch anymore? We do know his injuries were a direct result of him playing 2b. Were they his fault? It doesn’t seem so. But who knows if his footwork is crap or if he’s slow around the bag or has poor positioning leading to a higher probability of getting hurt? Or is it just bad luck? I don’t know and you don’t know either.

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by blains2000 on Aug 8, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Posey

Is an asshole, I hope he gets hurt again

in that order.

by metseaglesknicks on Aug 8, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

How is it Murphy's fault that some guy barrel-rolled over 2B?

Or that some guy slid late and got his spikes caught on the bag which caused his foot to pop up?

Murphy’s positioning looked completely normal.

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 8, 2011 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not his fault

However, 2b are a little more prone to get hurt. It’s the nature of the position. And some are just better at avoiding injuries there. Murph hasn’t played a ton of 2b. I think the job should be his coming into Spring Training, assuming the rehab goes well. Still, this is why I was against the idea of Wright moving to 2b, which was brought up in a thread a couple of weeks ago. Even with proper footwork, etc., you’re just more vulnerable there.

by wobatus on Aug 8, 2011 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

during the game thread, I posted that it looked to me like

Murph was positioned awkwardly.

One day, this team is going to kill me.

by fxcarden on Aug 8, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I strongly disagree

He played adequate defense there before he moved over to first due to Ike’s injury. Murph’s bat plays very, very well at second. I would give him another chance to start at second next year. No reason to go with an inferior player like Turner at second because you’re afraid Murph might get hurt again.

by graves9 on Aug 8, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont know

I always thought that Murphy wasnt cut out for the NL. But hey Im just saying Murph should move from 2nd for Murph’s own good.

by rcnt123 on Aug 7, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Murphy in the infield is generally a good infielder.

he’s got awful instincts but he’s got the range, the arm, and the hands to play around the infield. he can certainly play defense and play in the NL.

i would have send the 2B job is his job to lose next year in ST and i still think it is. but who knows now.

by theamato on Aug 7, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Angel Pagan was said to have awful instincts, and he was a spectacular fielder last year.

by Evan_S on Aug 8, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

How's Pagan doing this year.Not so good.Misjudging balls.missing the cut-off men and throwing

to the wrong bases including 1st base in an unbelievable blooper.Spectacular last year? Possibly above average is more like it.

by Putnan Prince on Aug 9, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being worth more than 5 wins is pretty spectacular.

Certainly All-Star worthy.

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 9, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not Daniel Murphy's fault

That two no name douches decided to go in hard on him.
And neither is it indicative of his decent ability to play second base

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by Aidan Gibson on Aug 7, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the same time,

we should ask the question of whether Murphy’s quirky instincts set him up for injury at second base. Plays like those aren’t likely to happen on the corners.

I saw the play live. Is there a safer way to cover second base?

by raggedMestizo on Aug 7, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can go in front of the base

and set up there and swipe backwards. A little safer, yes. But a guy coming in foot first should pop up over the bag like that. It was a very late, fairly clumsy slide, but not malicious.

by David G on Aug 8, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Odd, because he was a good second baseman

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 7, 2011 10:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Please indeed.

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 9, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could you maybe post something more substantial?

It’s getting pretty tiresome to read through each thread and find these little contentless “No, you’re wrong! Nyah!” comments with no substantiating argument or evidence or rationale or anything. Please at least try to make a case for your opinion.

by anonymous on Aug 9, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i believe this is in order

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by metman726 on Aug 7, 2011 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

this is for the medical staff

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by metman726 on Aug 7, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

What did the Medical staff have to do with his injury?

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by Rey-O on Aug 7, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is for proper diagnosis?

I can’t be sure though.

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by TKFJ on Aug 7, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

kind of OT

but I was at the blink182 concert last night and they used this on the screen during one of their songs and I thought of all you folks

by NYMetsJets44 on Aug 7, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blink182?

Is it the late 90’s?

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 7, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

All-That, Keenan &Kel is on...

I think it might be.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 7, 2011 10:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Didn't they break up?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 7, 2011 10:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

they did...

but they’re back together and making a new album

by NYMetsJets44 on Aug 7, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

So thats why my friend on twitter wont shut the fuck up about them.

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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 7, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?!?!

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 8, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Murph is resilient.

Time to make this the second comeback from a bad injury, Hammer.

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by TKFJ on Aug 7, 2011 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn. It's a shame.

A fucking shame.

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 7, 2011 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

Horrible news.

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by Jsz on Aug 7, 2011 9:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Fuck you Costanza

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by Aidan Gibson on Aug 7, 2011 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

He killed the Mets all over the place

Robbed Reyes of a few hits, GW triple and run scored, first MLB HR, and ends Murphy’s season on his first MLB stolen base on a terrible late slide.

I hope the Mets don’t screw Murphy next year and make him some sort of backup to Turner at second. He can play everyday.

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by Rey-O on Aug 7, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely.

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by bm01bath on Aug 7, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is really unfortunate.

Murphy seemed to be in A LOT of pain. I feel really bad for the guy, I really wish him the best luck going forward. He’s more than earned his place on the Mets.

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by bm01bath on Aug 7, 2011 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

The Mets remind me of an old kids joke

Pete and Repeat are in a boat and Pete fell out. Who was left?

by lstorie1971 on Aug 7, 2011 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

will someone get

these mother fucking snakes out of the mother fucking clubhouse!

I LIKE IKE!

by astromets on Aug 7, 2011 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

i knew it was going to be bad. i hoped it would not be this bad

gotta feel for the guy. he’s not the best defender but he goes out there and works his ass off. he must be devastated.

hopefully, Evans and Tejada will make the most of the rest of the season.

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by Help!I'maRock! on Aug 7, 2011 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Well...

I guess this is a positive result, considering what it could’ve been. At least he doesn’t need surgery on it.

But yeah, it’s unfortunate that this had to happen. Come back strong Murph…see you in 2012.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 7, 2011 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Funny thing is

I might be in the minority here, but I think this is good news. I fully expected a completely blown out knee, reconstruction, see you in 2013. I mean, was anyone expecting this to be a two week injury? Now, what is the betting line on the real rehab time. Four months in met time probably means at least six. I swear to god if I hear stories of murph running on a treadmill in a pool I am going to lose it

by Bruce Wayne on Aug 7, 2011 10:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

All relative

Peeps are reacting to the fact of the injury. By the way that knee buckled, though, you’re right that it could have been worse. Fuck Constanza with a duck.

by tmu on Aug 8, 2011 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

2012

Irish Hammer back with a vengeance.

If you thought he was blue collar now, just wait…

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Daniel Murphy 2012: Blue-er Collar Than Before

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 8, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blue collar, but also

wrapped with various knee collars.

by David G on Aug 8, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

This wouldn't be a true Mets season without TONS of injuries. So frustrating.

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by AmazinMetropolitaninMissouri on Aug 7, 2011 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Superstitious

This is a less logical explanation, but when do we start talking about the Citi Field injury curse? Current Mets have been tripping over the ghosts of Shea onto the 60-day DL since 2009.

by raggedMestizo on Aug 7, 2011 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Ever since that damn black cat ran on the field for the stadium's first game in '09...

I knew we were screwed.

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by AmazinMetropolitaninMissouri on Aug 7, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the snakebites

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by Aidan Gibson on Aug 8, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nickname for Constanza.

Can’t Stand Ya

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by AmazinMetropolitaninMissouri on Aug 7, 2011 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

What is this google you speak of?

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The google

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 7, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some sort of witchcraft, I reckon.

Now excuse me while I take my horse and buggy to the General Store 10 miles away. I’ll be back in 10 hours.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 8, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, the luopjohn3 defense.

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 8, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Costanza BETTER take a 95mph fast ball to the numbers the next time we play these jerkoffs.

I’m getting a little sick and tired of these Bush-league no-name jobbers thinking they can just walk all over our players.

Let's go have a beer, Doc.

by Crazy Nyce Dave on Aug 7, 2011 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

The '86 Mets would've made sure he left Citi Field in a box.

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by AmazinMetropolitaninMissouri on Aug 7, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before

No use wasting good drugs on a dead man

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 7, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't a dirty slide though.

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 7, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

But it was a fucking terrible one.

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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 7, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it wasn't, but the team needs some balls, for a change

Let others know, “Don’t push us”, regardless.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 7, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Bay should have leveled Uggla in the 9th. I want someone to do something aggressive just once.

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by blains2000 on Aug 7, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad we don't have Chris Carter anymore.

I’d pay to see him go berserker.

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 8, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have someone who is vaguely similar, in some ways

Hint: He played the same position in the OF this year that Carter did in the OF last year

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by sj10689 on Aug 8, 2011 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Duda would do some damage

but after Kyle Farnsworth, Carter might be the scariest dude in the league.

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by Ogre39666 on Aug 8, 2011 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

He does have the intimidation part down

though FanGraphs is more bullish on Duda. However, one thing Carter has him beat in is defense, especially in RF.

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by sj10689 on Aug 8, 2011 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Carter rainbow throws from the outfield were classic.

Not necessarily very good, but flat out hilarious to see.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 8, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

let him know, loud and proud.

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by sparbz on Aug 8, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

I want him eating dust every AB from now until death or madness takes him.

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 8, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Outstanding.

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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 7, 2011 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Add this to

the 10,000 other questions surrounding the Mets for 2012.

Next year’s slogan, “2012 Mets: Who the fuck knows?”

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by blains2000 on Aug 7, 2011 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Make it happy, Olderson.

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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 7, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cant even type Im so pissed

*happen

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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 7, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

This gets a rec'd

Are you tingling in your nether regions?

by David G on Aug 8, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

yet

you know the story already. Rehab 4 months and then see no progress and is then required to have surgery. While I hope that doesn’t happen I feel really bad for him. He’s such a hard worker and was expected to plug in anywhere and perform. He better not be disposable after this injury. The Mets owe him to play him when he’s fully recovered.

by TheKid08 on Aug 8, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fucking Constanza.

Just another reason to hate the Braves.

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 8, 2011 12:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Feel bad for everyone here ....

The team, the fans, of course Murph the most, but I bet Collins feels horrible for putting him at 2nd. The odds of him getting hurt there had to be at least 20,000 to 1. I know it wasn’t an intentionally bad slide, but it was a ridiculously spazzy slide. Constanza is a spark plug, but he plays the game like a wack job, I’ll just say that.

by David G on Aug 8, 2011 12:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Okay

Tank the season, lets get the number 1 pick!

by Evan_S on Aug 8, 2011 12:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Tanking the season is the new market inefficiency.

Sandy’s on it…this is all part of the plan.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 8, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Major injuries are the new market inefficiency

And the Mets sure are taking advantage

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by blains2000 on Aug 8, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we got a compensation pick every time there was a season-ending injury

We would easily have the best farm system in all of baseball, next to the Rangers

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by sj10689 on Aug 8, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think his BABIP is too inflated to remain sustainable for long. He has had 59 ABs

Expect some regression soon, whether gradual or sudden.

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by sj10689 on Aug 8, 2011 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Holy f**k

I just can’t believe this. Is this even happening? Please say it isn’t so.

I hope 2012 is more merciful towards us. Today is a turning point, seemingly, for the worst. I thought June 28th was our turnaround period, but August 7th may have just reversed all that.

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by sj10689 on Aug 8, 2011 1:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Preview of my AAOP

Resign Reyes. Use whatever is left in the budget to buy bubble wrap.

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by Blame-everyone-else on Aug 8, 2011 2:04 AM EDT reply actions  

That's an AAOP I would invest in

Don’t forget of the ideal of “Addition by Subtraction”, as well.

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by sj10689 on Aug 8, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

2012 Mets Slogan

Don’t even fucking show up

in that order.

by metseaglesknicks on Aug 8, 2011 2:18 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

the GOOD news

is that MCL injuries aren’t terribly serious compared to ACL/PCL injuries. Usually with some rehab, you’ll be fine within a few months. He has all offseason +2 months to get healthy. He’ll be fine.

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 8, 2011 2:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I think so, as well

though I wonder how his outlook changes for the following season

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by sj10689 on Aug 8, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait.

So whens the amputation?

How do you like them home run apples?

by KaaMets on Aug 8, 2011 2:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Off--topic

But here are some players I think should get looks for the 40-man roster:

AAA

John Lujan
Chris Schwinden
Zach Lutz
Val Pascucci (maybe)
Kirk Nieuwenhuis

AA

Eric Campbell
Allan Dykstra
Jordany Valdespin
If Brahiam Maldonado had better plate discipline, I’d add him here. He does have power, though. (20 HRs)

By the way, if you thought the pitching within the organization is generally sub-par, you would be correct. The way Brad Holt and Tobi Stoner are struggling, is particularly disturbing.

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by sj10689 on Aug 8, 2011 3:06 AM EDT reply actions  

This list is by no means set in stone

There are some omissions for sure, and some listed may not quite be ready to taste big league action. But who knows?

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by sj10689 on Aug 8, 2011 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt Val Pasucci

since he’s a minor league vet, but probably Captain Kirk or Schwinden.

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by feslenraster on Aug 8, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shame that Kirk is out for the year

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by Aidan Gibson on Aug 8, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt it, too.

But it’d be a nice reward for a guy who’s completely owning the IL this year.

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 8, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Campbell has been dreadful all year in Binghamton with a .225/.336/.307 line

so I doubt you see him this year. Kirk is done for the season and I kind of doubt Dykstra gets a call. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Holt and maybe even Havens get called up. Both are Rule V eligible at season’s end and I’d imagine they’d want to protect both of them. Holt’s overall line looks bad but he’s been better as a reliever. His ERA is a bit high, but he’s K’d 24 while walking 9 in 20 innings as a reliever.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 8, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Campbell I didn't get either

but I can see Dykstra getting a call-up – got 15 extra roster spots.

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by astromets on Aug 8, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's 15 extra ML roster spots

but currently, there’s only 1 free spot on the 40 man roster, which Dykstra isn’t on yet. It’ll be interesting to see how they juggle things this offseason because there are a lot of interesting names who are going to be Rule V eligible. These include:

Josh Satin, Kirk Nieuwenhuis, Mark Cohoon, Chris Schwinden, Bobby Carson, Jeurys Familia, Kai Gronauer, Reese Havens, Brad Holt, Sean Ratliff, Wilmer Flores, Jefry Marte and Cesar Puello among a few other minor leaguers with some potential.

For the rest of this season, they could easily just send Ike, Murph and Buchholz to the 60 day DL, since we assume that they’re done for the year. They could also DFA some of the filler like Manny Alvarez, Josh Stinson or even Dale Thayer to create more room. However, come this offseason, since we expect Ike, Murph and Buchholz likely to be back for 2012, they’ll need spots for them (though that likely comes at the end of spring training when they’re activated) as well as Johan. And then that doesn’t even account for acquisitions made in the offseason. Some spots will also open up as free agents leave and players are DFA’d (and I’m sure there will be a lot of them), although those spots will have to be filled by someone else.

So my point? They’re going to have to do a lot of juggling and we’ll probably see some of these guys dealt (sort of like the infamous Henry Owens/Matt Lindstrom for Vargas/Bostick trade, which was a Rule V juggling act) and others will ultimately be exposed to the Rule V draft come December. I’d imagine they won’t use up a 40 man spot on Dykstra who, let’s face it, has been decent at AA mainly because he’s not Eddie Kunz. He’s shown solid plate discipline but his contact skills and power leave much to be desired. And not to mention that he only plays 1B (and not very well).

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 8, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am actually not worried about most of those players being taken rule V

because most of them would not be able to last on a major league roster for an entire season. I see your point about the 40 man roster situation though, it is an annoying obstacle that too often gets overlooked as a legitimate problem/reason that some moves get made

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by astromets on Aug 8, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Mets didn't see Jesus Flores getting taken out A+ ball back in 2006.

Oops.

You never know what crazy things teams will do to acquire talent.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 8, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Campbell hasn't been *that* bad

He has a 49 BB:64 K ratio in 329 AB and a .336 OBP, so I think it’s bad luck. He makes contact, but more of his outs should have been base hits. It could be a skewed FB rate, but I don’t think that could explain it enough. Campbell’s stuff looks good by the numbers, in terms of process, but the results have not reflected that. Heck, if he had a .275 AVG, he would have an OBP close to .390. I see the good here, and I am being realistic.

2nd half breakout? Don’t bet against it.

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by sj10689 on Aug 9, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had either a hand or wrist injury last year

so that is probably what’s hurting him, but his power has been almost completely sapped this season. The contact and plate discipline are great but it seems like he’s just not making solid contact, considering the huge dropoff in power. He could be a rebound candidate next year, but I doubt he gets the chance in the majors this year. It seems pretty unlikely that he gets chosen in the Rule V draft and thus, probably doesn’t need to be protected, especially considering how many better candidates there are. He had a poor offensive season and supposedly isn’t much of a defensive player, so a team would be taking a major leap of faith that his power was going to come back.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 9, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

As for the lack of power and injury (unbeknownst to me), you do have a point

His isolated power (SLG – AVG) dropped dramatically, from .161 (2010) to .082 (2011).

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by sj10689 on Aug 9, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where's Satin?

Also I don’t know who Lujan is

by EtSuKe on Aug 8, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lujan pitched a bit in spring training for the major league club.

He was a AAA Rule V pick out of the White Sox organization a few years ago. Usually those guys are just depth acquisitions but Lujan actually has turned into what looks like a potentially decent major league reliever.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 8, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you forgot about Satin

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 8, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

I meant, for the September 1st call-ups

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by sj10689 on Aug 9, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

all I can say is ----!!

recover quickly Murphy, we’ll miss your presence for sure.

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by feslenraster on Aug 8, 2011 7:35 AM EDT reply actions  

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